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Subject: BS: What is a 'bagel' in tennis From: MGM·Lion Date: 22 Jun 16 - 12:29 PM "Roberta Vinci is an Italian tennis player ... After cruising past the first 2 rounds at the Australian Open, she suffered a shock as she lost to Anna-Lena Friedsam in 3 sets despite leading by a bagel" Wikipedia What does 'bagel' mean in terms of tennis score? Don't recollect coming across the term before. ≈M≈ |
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Subject: RE: BS: What is a 'bagel' in tennis From: Backwoodsman Date: 22 Jun 16 - 12:40 PM I believe its a 6-0 set. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What is a 'bagel' in tennis From: MGM·Lion Date: 22 Jun 16 - 01:07 PM Ah, thank you. That certainly makes sense. ≈M≈ |
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Subject: RE: BS: What is a 'bagel' in tennis From: FreddyHeadey Date: 22 Jun 16 - 01:47 PM Brilliant. bagel: Colloquial term for winning or losing a set 6–0 (the shape of the zero being reminiscent of the round shape of a bagel). breadstick: Colloquial term for winning or losing a set 6–1, with the straight shape of the one supposedly being reminiscent of the straight shape of a breadstick. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_of_tennis_terms#B ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Is there a glossary of folk terms & etiquette? |
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Subject: RE: BS: What is a 'bagel' in tennis From: Mr Red Date: 22 Jun 16 - 03:28 PM love - the shape of 0 = l'eouf Why the French should dictate terms in a game invented by the English I have little idea but I believe it became more popular in France than in the UK long ago. for the same reason they say vantage not advantage. Why in golf is one under par a birdie, and why eagle and albatross (unless they were coined by a Mr Albert Ross) I'll get my coat |
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Subject: RE: BS: What is a 'bagel' in tennis From: Nigel Parsons Date: 22 Jun 16 - 06:23 PM For those who don't do French: love - the shape of 0 = l'eouf l'eouf = the egg, hence from the shape. The same description being used in cricket for a zero score "Out for a duck (egg)" I must be fair, I don't recall hearing umpires give a score as "vantage" but as "advantage". Of course, with emphasis being on the second syllable it may sound as if they're only saying "vantage" As for scoring the game in tennis, visualised as a clock face with zero ("love") at 12 o'clock, a quarter of the full score is at quarter past, so "Fifteen" (minutes) the half game is at the half past position "Thirty" (minutes) and 3/4 of the game at "Forty five" (minutes) but abbreviated to "Forty" |
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Subject: RE: BS: What is a 'bagel' in tennis From: John on the Sunset Coast Date: 22 Jun 16 - 11:12 PM Back in the '70s the successful doubles team of Harold Solomon and Eddie Dibbs was called the Bagel Twins (or Bagel Boys), a name with double entendre: they were Jewish, and they often won sets at love. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What is a 'bagel' in tennis From: Mr Red Date: 23 Jun 16 - 04:43 AM Maybe because I haven't watched tennis for a long time, but in the days I remember (Borg & MacEnroe) I was sure the term vantage was the norm. I claim "CHALK DUST" on that one! and I am being serious! |
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Subject: RE: BS: What is a 'bagel' in tennis From: Nigel Parsons Date: 23 Jun 16 - 05:56 AM John McEnroe wanted to play the title character in the Harry Potter film: "The prisoner of Azkaban", But Jo Rowling told him: "You cannot be Sirius!" |
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Subject: RE: BS: What is a 'bagel' in tennis From: MGM·Lion Date: 23 Jun 16 - 08:06 AM LoL My recollection is that umpires have always said "Advantage" in full, but some commentators used to shorten it to "'Vantage"; and even, long ago to "Van". There was even a school of thought who would say "Van in" for server's, or "Van out" for receiver's, advantage. I remember a sketch in an old Charlie Chester radio programme "Stand Easy" at end of wwii on the old BBC Home Service, based on misunderstandings about "Driving the van in" -- SOHs weren't always as sophisticated as those of today! ≈M≈ |
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Subject: RE: BS: What is a 'bagel' in tennis From: Backwoodsman Date: 23 Jun 16 - 01:26 PM You're correct about 'Van In' and 'Van Out', Michael. Those were the calls when I played schools tennis in the late '50s/early '60s. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What is a 'bagel' in tennis From: John on the Sunset Coast Date: 23 Jun 16 - 03:50 PM I played weekend tennis for nearly thirty years beginning mid-'50s. For deuce game beyond 40 we used the short terms "ad in" (server ahead) and "ad out" (opponent ahead,) or "advantage [name of player]." Used to watch college tournaments (when in college), and TVed tourneys on a regular basis. I cannot recall either the term "van" or "vantage" was used. Perhaps it is a localism where Backwoodsman or Michael are. Or maybe "ad in/out" is the localism in Southern California. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What is a 'bagel' in tennis From: MGM·Lion Date: 23 Jun 16 - 04:14 PM Think it's just the UK, rather than US, usage, John -- one of those TransAtlantic variants on which I once OPd a thread which ran·&·ran. Often, when playing with my same-age cousin in my early teens, our usage would be to call out "My van" or "Your van". That was in late 1940s. ≈M≈ |
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Subject: RE: BS: What is a 'bagel' in tennis From: mkebenn Date: 24 Jun 16 - 09:46 AM Nigel, brilliant . Eagle.. bigger bird, albatross, even bigger bird. Mike |
