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Subject: BS: Enough already! From: akenaton Date: 12 Mar 16 - 05:53 AM Just a note on the latest contribution by Team Musket. Is it not about time the membership of this place stood up and demanded that this group of trolls were permanently removed? It has become almost impossible to hold a serious discussion on any topic without the thread having to be butchered or closed. It is intolerable, the latest snide attack on people of faith is a typical example. It must be against forum rules for several guests to use the same username to disrupt the forum. Note to Mods, I don't want this to be another battleground, I would be obliged if you close it to leave it in position so that members see what is actually happening to THEIR forum. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Enough already! From: GUEST,Raggytash Date: 12 Mar 16 - 06:01 AM So you want to silence anyone who disagrees with you. Germany 1930's comes to mind ................. again. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Enough already! From: Backwoodsman Date: 12 Mar 16 - 06:19 AM I post on another (music-related) forum, where nom-de-plumes are permitted, 'guest' postings are not allowed, and members who post offensively receive one 'public warning' from a named Moderator. If the offender fails to heed the warning, he/she is blocked. If a group of members are engaged in offensive posting, the thread is closed and the reason for closure is stated. Reasons for All Moderator actions are given in-thread by a named moderator. The result is that, although there are often quite marked differences of opinion, discussion always remains civil. That's the Grown-Up way to run a forum - I've recommended this to Mudcat a number of times, but to absolutely no avail. So...as we're frequently told, it's Max's forum and he can run the show any way he wants, so suck it up and live with it. I just wish to fuck he'd run it properly. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Enough already! From: Steve Shaw Date: 12 Mar 16 - 06:37 AM No posting unless logged in. Name changes discouraged and must go through the mods, who will usually, though not always, say no you can't. Attempts at multiple identities equal instant expulsion. The word "Guest" becomes extinct. No meta-threads like this one. Delete. This hardly even amounts to "running" the forum. They would be settings and would need only occasional intervention. The mods here are running themselves ragged and making fools of themselves. Gnu posts an extremely offensive post in one thread and it stands. I post a far more innocuous one in his thread and it gets deleted. Typical inconsistency caused by mods being overrun which, unfortunately, also reeks a little of favouritism. Probably isn't, but that's how it looks. And a Scottish member who starts a thread with an ugly Americanism for a title should be bollocked! ;-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Enough already! From: Thompson Date: 12 Mar 16 - 06:38 AM In some forums, off-topic posts are automatically rerouted to a thread of their own, or else deleted after endless repeats. It's really not a question of suppressing freedom of speech; trolls drag all topics on to their own obsessions, which is boring for everyone else. To move their rants to a specialised thread gives people the chance to read them, without their turning every thread on 1870s lace-making in Nottingham or the shaum in sean-nós into their own me-me-me-listen-to-me-mammy arguments. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Enough already! From: Steve Shaw Date: 12 Mar 16 - 07:19 AM They are not trolls. They are vexatious posters, depending on your attitude. Live with thread drift. This isn't real life. If you were down the pub and your mate insisted on sticking to one topic all night without straying from it you'd tell him to bugger off. The best way to deal with real trolls us to ignore them and expect moderators to deal quietly with them. Rules are firmly set on TheSession and the Gaughan Forum. Each forum has one visible moderator only and you hardly ever see them intervening with their mod hats on. If a thread is boring you, you have a revolutionary remedy. Shhh, don't tell anyone, but here it is: don't click on it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Enough already! From: akenaton Date: 12 Mar 16 - 07:56 AM The point is having the ability to debate difficult or controversial subjects without the thread being sabotaged by a group of three or four people all using the same username. I for one, have no interest in "silencing" anyone Raggytash, I welcome civil and serious debate, but any debate is impossible while insults and name calling are used as a sabotage technic. All personal abuse should be deleted.....stick to the issues under discussion and this can involve a certain amount of drift. Before "Team Musket" arrived controversial topics were discussed and posts to threads numbered in the thousands. People actually want to discuss these topics without being personally attacked for their views. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Enough already! From: Steve Shaw Date: 12 Mar 16 - 08:08 AM Unfortunately, you are hardly the man to be making these scattergun allegations. You yourself are more than capable of indulging in personal abuse, and, while you may say you welcome civil and serious debate, you have demonstrated over and over again that you haven't got the skills to take part in it. Many of the remarks you make about immigrants, gay people and socialism are ill-informed and liable to stir up trouble, leading to the very opposite of civil and serious debate, as do your constant and tedious references to "team Musket", who you actually appear to secretly want to keep on at you. Of course, I don't expect you to admit to that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Enough already! From: GUEST Date: 12 Mar 16 - 08:31 AM trolls drag all topics on to their own obsessions Correct, see: Subject: RE: BS: Enough already! From: Steve Shaw Date: 12 Mar 16 - 06:37 AM |
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Subject: RE: BS: Enough already! From: GUEST,Raggytash Date: 12 Mar 16 - 09:01 AM "Is it not about time the membership of this place stood up and demanded that this group of trolls were permanently removed?" YOU may see this as a constructive comment. I see it as an attempt to silence those who disagree with you. YOU may consider some people trolls. I see them as witty, humorous, thoughtful and for the most part considerate. There are people I vehemently disagree with on this site, however I would NEVER suggest we should silence them. As I said shades of 1930's Germany. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Enough already! From: GUEST,HiLo Date: 12 Mar 16 - 09:11 AM It does seem to me that it is not "Guests" who get threads closed, or who are the most abusive posters. It appears to be a few "members" who feel obliged to denigrate all opinions with which they disagree. Raggytash, I do not think anyone wishes to silence differing opinions, but I do think that some posters do need to reminded that civil debate is what most come here for, or used to. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Enough already! From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 12 Mar 16 - 09:19 AM Ake says he does not want any view silenced, just debate without abuse. I feel the same. Steve, if you think someone ill-informed, show up his ignorance. I think that someone resorting to abuse is a clear sign that they have no case and are incapable of countering the argument given. Why else would anyone do that instead of knocking down the other side? There is no justification except inadequacy. If only abuse could be deleted instead of threads. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Enough already! From: Steve Shaw Date: 12 Mar 16 - 10:12 AM His ignorance, and your attempts at deception, are routinely exposed by a number of people, including me. It's just that you and he don't recognise it when it happens. And no, I'm not going to start digging up examples. We've all seen loads of it. Just one word: Wheatcroft. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Enough already! From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 12 Mar 16 - 10:24 AM Just empty abuse Steve. You have no examples. There was no deception around Wheatcroft. I had already quoted the passage in full. You tried to make something of me subsequently quoting partially. Your best shot! Why not just discuss issues instead of making personal attacks? Because you can't? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Enough already! From: Greg F. Date: 12 Mar 16 - 10:34 AM PLEASE do not feed The Professor. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Enough already! From: Jim Carroll Date: 12 Mar 16 - 11:07 AM "Why not just discuss issues instead of making personal attacks?" You are as capable as anybody of making personal attacks Keith, and true to form, you complain louder than anybody about them Yours and ever, The "ignoramous leftie Muppet" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Enough already! From: GUEST,A Moderator Date: 12 Mar 16 - 11:18 AM This thread will be closed after this message. Each of you knows what it takes to close a thread: BS threads can be amusing, informative, and offer a sense of community. Or they can be a complete waste of time. Don't be surprised if passionate response threads are deleted after an off-topic or abusive thread closes. |