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BS: Forgetting important, recalling trivial.

MGM·Lion 22 Oct 14 - 04:04 AM
Musket 22 Oct 14 - 07:07 AM
Sandra in Sydney 22 Oct 14 - 07:42 AM
Bill D 22 Oct 14 - 09:31 AM
Rapparee 22 Oct 14 - 09:39 AM
GUEST,punkfolkrocker 22 Oct 14 - 10:20 AM
Ebbie 22 Oct 14 - 01:24 PM
Mr Red 23 Oct 14 - 05:34 AM
GUEST,punkfolkrocker 23 Oct 14 - 08:36 AM
Bill D 23 Oct 14 - 09:50 AM
Ebbie 23 Oct 14 - 11:02 AM
Mrrzy 23 Oct 14 - 02:04 PM
GUEST,Triplane 23 Oct 14 - 02:38 PM
Mr Red 23 Oct 14 - 03:10 PM
Bill D 24 Oct 14 - 10:53 AM
Mr Red 24 Oct 14 - 06:14 PM
Ebbie 24 Oct 14 - 10:47 PM
Joe_F 24 Oct 14 - 11:44 PM
GUEST,punkfolkrocker 25 Oct 14 - 05:48 PM
GUEST,leeneia 26 Oct 14 - 12:36 AM

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Subject: BS: Forgetting important, recalling trivial.
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 22 Oct 14 - 04:04 AM

"There was Joe, Joe, Sitting on the po -
is one verse I happen to remember. From Kings Cliffe Youth Hostel, Northamptonshire, Xmas week 1947.
Now, why does one remember things like that so clearly, while forgetting so much that's important?"


I posted recently on the Quartermaster's Stores thread

Well ---

WHY?

≈M≈


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Subject: RE: BS: Forgetting important, recalling trivial.
From: Musket
Date: 22 Oct 14 - 07:07 AM

Of all the people who could give you an answer, it had to be me...

Naw, too obvious.


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Subject: RE: BS: Forgetting important, recalling trivial.
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 22 Oct 14 - 07:42 AM

sometime waaaay back in the 70s I read an article, probably humourous in Reader's Digest about the same thing!

The writer said he never forgot useless stuff like the plural of cherub (cherubim). Any useful info in the article was & still is forgotten, but cherubim has remained in my brain.

sandra


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Subject: RE: BS: Forgetting important, recalling trivial.
From: Bill D
Date: 22 Oct 14 - 09:31 AM

Because the earlier memories get nice, solid, secure spots in the brain cell storage area. The recent ones have to crowd in & cling by their fingernails to the edges of............



what was the question?


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Subject: RE: BS: Forgetting important, recalling trivial.
From: Rapparee
Date: 22 Oct 14 - 09:39 AM

Paper. Pencil or pen. Grocery list. "To Do" list. Driver's license? Cell phone? Keys? Wallet? Check book? Ah...what IS the name of my wife?


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Subject: RE: BS: Forgetting important, recalling trivial.
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 22 Oct 14 - 10:20 AM

My memory was never great..
[didn't help from the age of 17 - 22 I was active in a rock band
that over celebrated booze, spliffs, & mushroomz...]

But since my 50th birthday my recall for words and 'ideas' is going rapidly downhill..

It really is a struggle every day now to think of the right word or concept
to express what it is I need to say.

I can follow what intelligent people are saying, in writing or TV debates, etc..
Not much problem there;
even if I encounter the occasional specialist or unnecessarily smug show off word
that I've not read or heard in use for decades;
that's when online dictionarys come in useful....

But it's my own diminishing ability to remember and fluently articulate vocabulary & sophisticated concepts
from my long ago academic years
that is such a frustrating concern....

Easy enough to see in the clunky clumsy hesitant way I atttempt to string words together,
on the infrequent occasions I try to write 'seriously' here at mudcat....


Every now and then, my mind does randomly snap back into clear sharp focus
[ just like I was back at my intellectual peak in my 20s & 30s]
But, usually very late at night, when there's no purpose for it................

At least it's some kind of consolation that men in my family rarely live long enough to develop full dementia.....


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Subject: RE: BS: Forgetting important, recalling trivial.
From: Ebbie
Date: 22 Oct 14 - 01:24 PM

I constantly marvel at my brain, and assume that everyone else has similar experiences. Things like dreams and the twists and turns they take, the random insertion of a similarly sounding but very inappropriate word for the word I'm seeking, the complete blanking of a memory that I later recall very well...

But only once have I forgotten my own language. Face to face with a bear on a road I tell myself that it probably doesn't realize that I'm human, therefore to be avoided, and that if I speak it will realize its mistake and go away.

I could literally not think of a word. So I said, la, la, la.


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Subject: RE: BS: Forgetting important, recalling trivial.
From: Mr Red
Date: 23 Oct 14 - 05:34 AM

Apparently brain cells are created during life but then some die off. Given that all the demonstable parts of the body are clearly less "new" or effective it is not surprising to know that the aggregate number of brain cells falls as we age. I noticed a sudden impairment of short-term memory following ME and again after taking statins. Now I can't tell that well if I have less facility because the comparison is too distant. FWIW the brain stores fat and burns it locally for fuel. So fat and cholesterol are not entirely bogeymen!

However I do carry mini-notepad and pencil at all times because in spite of two smart phones the pad never runs out of juice, and the pencil never clogs, in fact it is mad from re-cycled coffe cups and the "lead" seems unbreakable and the "wood" part is robust. And it writes even on damp paper. Providing I don't take it out for consolidation of data and proceed to put it down in the house in the most bizarre locations, and go out without.

Annoyingly the pad has numerous e-mail addresses, some with people's names and for the life of me I can't recall what they refer to.
I used to use a pocket memo (now phone) but in a crowded pub that is remarkably indecipherable the next day and NOT because of booze (usually).


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Subject: RE: BS: Forgetting important, recalling trivial.
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 23 Oct 14 - 08:36 AM

Interesting....

my noticable decline in memory and fluency with vocabulary
coincides with finally giving in to years of persuasion from my GP
to start taking blood pressure tablets and statins from when I reached 50...???


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Subject: RE: BS: Forgetting important, recalling trivial.
From: Bill D
Date: 23 Oct 14 - 09:50 AM

I have very cleverly integrated my exercise program with my memory..... the more I forget, the more I need to run up & down stairs.


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Subject: RE: BS: Forgetting important, recalling trivial.
From: Ebbie
Date: 23 Oct 14 - 11:02 AM

A boss of mine used to say, What you don't do with your head, you'll have to do with your feet. :)


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Subject: RE: BS: Forgetting important, recalling trivial.
From: Mrrzy
Date: 23 Oct 14 - 02:04 PM

I have terrific word-finding difficulties sometimes, my twins are used to my asking for the thingie, you know, the one that does the thing.

Anomia, it's called, not to be confused with anomie, a kind of lethargy of belongingness.


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Subject: RE: BS: Forgetting important, recalling trivial.
From: GUEST,Triplane
Date: 23 Oct 14 - 02:38 PM

Put your trivia to use ..... join a Quiz team


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Subject: RE: BS: Forgetting important, recalling trivial.
From: Mr Red
Date: 23 Oct 14 - 03:10 PM

I used to laugh when moter used my sisters name to refer to me & vice versa. Same thing.

Now, as they say don't stop on the stair becuase you might forget which way you were running!

Statins & memory. It is one of the potential symptoms. What they insist is that symptoms vary, what they fail to point out is that severe symptoms are just the extreme end of a very long spectrum. I am sure what I experience is mild by comparison with the ones that cause concern and are indistinguishable from aging. Except I would bet aging is not episodic. This was a correlation. The ME thing I noticed at the time but the condition didn't have a name. But when I saw the list of symptoms years later there were enough to alert me and the short-term memory was the clincher. Funnily enough I used to run up stairs then because it was preferable to get the aches in one hit rather than on every step. Adrenaline? I am sure it made the difference.


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Subject: RE: BS: Forgetting important, recalling trivial.
From: Bill D
Date: 24 Oct 14 - 10:53 AM

Old joke: A college professor is stopped by a student to ask about an assignment while crossing the campus. After a couple minutes, the student turns to leave, but the prof. stops him.

"John, which way was I going when you stopped me?"

"You were going toward Blanchley Hall."

"Oh, good... then I've had lunch!"


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Subject: RE: BS: Forgetting important, recalling trivial.
From: Mr Red
Date: 24 Oct 14 - 06:14 PM

Rev Spooner (well documented)
"Now tell me, was it you or your brother that was killed in the war"


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Subject: RE: BS: Forgetting important, recalling trivial.
From: Ebbie
Date: 24 Oct 14 - 10:47 PM

As I've recounted before: My sister was asked, Are you Linda? (pointing to another sister) Or is that you over there?


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Subject: RE: BS: Forgetting important, recalling trivial.
From: Joe_F
Date: 24 Oct 14 - 11:44 PM

Memory slums


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Subject: RE: BS: Forgetting important, recalling trivial.
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 25 Oct 14 - 05:48 PM

Just phoned my mum [ in her 80s ] to remind her to set the clocks back an hour before she goes to bed tonight.

Mum wanted me to double check as she was certain the clocks had to go forward instead.
After eventually persuading her she was mistaken,
it then transpired it wouldn't really have made much difference anyway;
because she's spent all day, since getting out of bed this morning, believing it was already Sunday.....


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Subject: RE: BS: Forgetting important, recalling trivial.
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 26 Oct 14 - 12:36 AM

I have so many things to remember, I got a program called Cute Reminder which puts little boxes on the side of my screen, reminding me to do things. Right now I have four boxes in view:

luncheon on wednesday
insurance is due on Nissan soon
send my brother the music to "Lonely Little Robin"
Richard Gilewitz (great guitarist) concert in St Louis
send out e-mail reminders for Scotland slide show

And that's just for one day.

I recommend this program for people with busy lives.


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