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Subject: Richard III stays in Leicester From: GUEST,OldNicKilby Date: 23 May 14 - 05:49 AM For once common sense has prevailed. Richards's remains are to stay in Leicester and the greedy grasping Tykes , for a change , have lost. Anyone would think that it was Cricket |
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Subject: RE: Richard III stays in Leicester From: Rapparee Date: 23 May 14 - 10:12 AM Good! They deserve him! But then so does York...why not shift him around and let people place bets on where he is? It would bring in more revenue. |
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Subject: RE: Richard III stays in Leicester From: GUEST, topsie Date: 23 May 14 - 10:15 AM Bits of saints are displayed in more than one shrine (a finger here, a toenail there ...). They could divide him up. |
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Subject: RE: Richard III stays in Leicester From: The Sandman Date: 23 May 14 - 11:05 AM richard third ,I wrote a song about him called battle of bosworth field. |
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Subject: RE: Richard III stays in Leicester From: GUEST,Musket Date: 24 May 14 - 02:52 AM Always assuming it really is Dick the Shit in the first place eh? It would be hilarious if Westminster Abbey decides to throw its hat in the ring and scupper the pair of them. |
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Subject: RE: Richard III stays in Leicester From: GUEST,Eliza Date: 24 May 14 - 03:04 AM I watched a BBC documentary about this when they found his bones. It seems it really is him; the spine was deformed with scoliosis. He wasn't as bad as he was made out to be, and he fought very bravely in battle in spite of his physical problems. Apparently he wanted to be buried in Leicester. I wonder what the Queen wants regarding his re-interment? I imagine she has a say. |
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Subject: RE: Richard III stays in Leicester From: Dave Hanson Date: 24 May 14 - 03:59 AM Saw this on the BBC News, it was very odd to hear people from Leicester, including a priest, saying they were ' so relieved ' at this decision, what is there to be relieved about ? it's not as though the whole future and fate of Leicester depended on it, very strange. Dave H |
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Subject: RE: Richard III stays in Leicester From: Acorn4 Date: 24 May 14 - 04:24 AM So much of the visual evidence Leicester's history has been destroyed over the years that it will be a great boost to the city. Unlike Coventry it didn't need the Luftwaffe, just the Victorian nonconformists and the sixties planners. |
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Subject: RE: Richard III stays in Leicester From: The Sandman Date: 24 May 14 - 04:42 AM Richard the third introduced the law for bail in this country, Shakespeares depiction of him was written under the tudor monarchy descendants of the henry seventh who claimed the throne after his defeat. |
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Subject: RE: Richard III stays in Leicester From: The Sandman Date: 24 May 14 - 04:50 AM The Battle of Bosworth Field. (Dick Miles) 1.On the 22nd of August with glistening sword and shield. Brave Richard king of England,did fight at Bosworth Field. He led his troops in battle,and death did bravely face The White Rose did fall never more to be replaced. Chorus.A horse, a horse,my kingdom for a horse. 2.Fight on stout hearted swordsman for king and country fight. and aim you well bold archers the enemy well fright. oh take you heed Northumberland and false Lord Stanley. Have courage me lads for victorious we shall be. Chorus. 3. So thick and fast the arrows around the king did fly when to the south marching up the hill false Stanley he did spy. he mounted on his charger,to fight all for his crown The White Rose did fall never more to leave the ground Chorus 4.Unseated from his charger as on the ground lay he surrounded and out numberd by lord stanleys infantry they quickly stoop to kill as hawks high in the sky The White Rose did fall theselast words he then did cry Chorus 5.and so the last of the House of York to death did come at last He ruled his people fairly and the law for bail he passed a good and noble ruler by the Tudors so disgraced. The White Rose did fall never more to be replaced. chorus. copyright, Dick Miles. this song was written about 1984,and recorded on Cheating the Tide GVR227,with Martin Carthy playing guitar. my inspiration was a book called The Daughter of Time,by Josephine Tey,I realised that Richard the Third,had been unfairly treated by historians,and particularly by William Shakespeare. Shakespeare was writing at a time when if you criticised the existing monarchy you could be executed,and had to be careful not to upset the ruling Tudor dynasty,who were close relatives of Henry the Seventh. I think this tune is suited to open guitar tuning,I played it in emodal or Eminor,but I would of course be happy for anyone to sing the song,and do it just how they want. I am not sure but I think the tune is in the dorian mode. Dick Miles |
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Subject: RE: Richard III stays in Leicester From: MGM·Lion Date: 24 May 14 - 07:38 AM Good song, Dick. Haven't heard you sing it -- don't seem to have that record. Is the tune your own, or is it set to Brave Lord Willoughby, from which your opening & verse form seem to me to derive, or to another tune? Will Shax of course merely resorted to Holinshed; never really claimed to be an original plot-maker but only ever an adaptor & reworker of existing stories, whether historical or invented. (There was no pretence about it: from the ancient Athenian playwrights onward, thru the medieval mysteries & moralities, plays have always been derivative of ancient stories or history. Audiences never expected a surprise ending, they just liked to see how this version would differ from others in getting there.) As to RIII's villainy, how far stories like Clarence's murder & the Little Princes in the Tower were based on fact or invented to libel Richard's memory, historians will go on battling about it for ever: along with such creative writers reworking their findings as Josephine Tey & Dick Miles!. ~M~ |
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Subject: RE: Richard III stays in Leicester From: Big Al Whittle Date: 24 May 14 - 10:08 AM I had a go at singing Dick's song. its a good song. unfortunately most of my audiences wouldn't know Richard the third from bob the builder. perhaps it would be nice to bury him on Bosworth field next to the battle centre. |Leicester isn't really what you would call a tourist city like York - a more natural choice. wasn't there some sort of shrine in Tewksbury. |
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Subject: RE: Richard III stays in Leicester From: HuwG Date: 24 May 14 - 10:20 AM A hearse! A hearse! My kingdom for a hearse! |
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Subject: RE: Richard III stays in Leicester From: GUEST,Barry Bemused Date: 24 May 14 - 10:48 AM Apart from a tiny enclave of over-funded royalist history nutters, who really gives a monkeys !!!??? As for Leicester; I used to catch a National Express coach once or twice a month to shag a girl I knew from college. Why else would anybody ever want to visit Leicester ???????? |
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Subject: RE: Richard III stays in Leicester From: Big Al Whittle Date: 24 May 14 - 12:02 PM gosh how biased and unfriendly. Leicester isn't that bad. the musician in clyde street is a nice little gig. the pubs and working men's clubs can be terrifying when the blue army mob is in a fractious mood, but they have provided many a gig for an impoverished musician. the Avalon guitar fair, Gary Lineker, Sue Townsend, Joe Orton.... |
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Subject: RE: Richard III stays in Leicester From: MGM·Lion Date: 24 May 14 - 12:37 PM Agreed, Al. Leicester is a perfectly pleasant example of the big English Midlands industrial city. Leicester, Nottingham, Derby, Lincoln, Stafford, Wolverhampton, Stoke, Loughborough (cont p 94) ... all perfectly pleasant, hospitable places to visit. Let us have no Civicism, please! ~M~ |
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Subject: RE: Richard III stays in Leicester From: The Sandman Date: 24 May 14 - 12:43 PM The tune was my own, as far as I am aware, well it aint the wild rover anyhow. |
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Subject: RE: Richard III stays in Leicester From: GUEST,Eliza Date: 24 May 14 - 04:17 PM When the archaeologists disinterred the skeleton, some daft lady poked a hole in his skull with her digging tool. Oops! |
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