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Subject: BS: UK trespass law to be removed From: Black belt caterpillar wrestler Date: 23 Apr 14 - 05:44 PM I see that the Conservatives are looking to alter the trespass laws so that fracking drilling can be done under your property without your permission. Not my idea of fair play on several counts. For a start I have a borehole for my water supply and I do not want the aquifer contaminated in any way, much less under my own house. Secondly I thought the idea was to move away from fossil fuels not encourage them. Thirdly it is interesting to see how many of the decisions in favour of fracking have been made by individuals with undeclared vested interests. For further information look at the green peace site and see their petition about this change in the law. (Unable to cut and paste a link from my iPad) |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK trespass law to be removed From: GUEST Date: 23 Apr 14 - 06:41 PM Not quite - rather more like allowing the companies the same rights the water companies already have. The law as it stands says what's under your house belongs to you, and so if something passes under your house then that also belongs to you - such as an aquifer. But taking that approach would stop water companies drawing fresh water, and so the law makes an exception for that. The consequence has been seen in dry years, when the lower aquifer levels in some places has resulted in subsidence. Now the same thing is happening to fuel. Water comes and goes: this gas oil does not... One aspect of this is that a complete renewal of our housing stock is long overdue, so much was built nigh on 200 years ago and is now getting into a poor state. The cost of building a new house is similar to the recent growth in house prices, so I have a suspicion there may be some plan to keep the building industry going too - not to mention wallpaper... |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK trespass law to be removed From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 24 Apr 14 - 02:47 AM Usually when one buys a property, on the deed it will state if mineral rights are included, which would include oil and whatnot. Here is the good Ol' U.S.A., those rights have been gobbled up quite a while ago. That being said, there may be some exclusions...but not too many, any more. You have to check your deeds!..If there is no exclusion, you may very well own what's under you. GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK trespass law to be removed From: Richard Bridge Date: 24 Apr 14 - 03:47 AM No, Goofball, England has its own legal system and that in the USA is VERY different. FFS! |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK trespass law to be removed From: Tattie Bogle Date: 24 Apr 14 - 04:14 AM And Scotland has its own legal system too. There is not one law covering the whole UK. |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK trespass law to be removed From: Musket Date: 24 Apr 14 - 04:28 AM Too true. Different laws for different parts of The UK. We are going on holiday in Scotland on Saturday for two weeks. Part of that is walking, and one huge advantage to Scotland is the more advanced right to roam. We shall be able to walk the Fife coast without having to detour. The chances of that distance hugging the coast in England are few and far between. |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK trespass law to be removed From: Richard Bridge Date: 24 Apr 14 - 05:08 AM I said "England". Regrettably in some sets of circumstances Scottish law is far LESS friendly to rights of way than English, and, for example, a public right of way may be lost by non-use in Scotland whereas that is NOT so in England or Wales (where, for example Glendower's trails remain rights of way at the appropriate status) except where official closure or "reforms" of rights of way law (for example the expropriation of vehicular rights of way on RUPPs and current landowner-inspired moves) have intervened |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK trespass law to be removed From: GUEST Date: 24 Apr 14 - 05:36 AM For most land in the UK, the landowner does not own the mineral rights. For the most part it is vested with the crown estates or the church. Oil and Gas rights were taken by the government by the Petroleum Act 1934, Coal by nationalisation 1947. The rights to gold and silver(Mines Royal) by the crown. Planning permission is required to both explore and exploit resources and environmental impact statements must be prepared. Access must be negotiated with the landowner, although compulsion can be applied. Fracking does not degrade shallow aquifers if surface casings maintain integrity. However it must be pointed out that annular pressure build up is a significant problem in offshore wells in the north sea in the later part of their lifcycle, indicating that integrity has been breached. http://www.wellintegrity.net/ |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK trespass law to be removed From: GUEST,Fred McCormick Date: 24 Apr 14 - 06:20 AM The shower of bastards! Is nothing sacred? In point of fact, coalowners were compensated for loss of mineral rights, under the 1947 legislation which Guest refers to above. Not only that but the parasites continued to receive compensation at least until Maggie wrecked the entire coal industry. Not that we'll see any similar proposals for compensating people whose land is fracked on, of course. |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK trespass law to be removed From: Black belt caterpillar wrestler Date: 25 Apr 14 - 03:36 AM Do water companies have the right to drill sideways underneath your land, which is not the same as removing water from the local rock layers simply because it flows to where they are extracting it? |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK trespass law to be removed From: GUEST,Musket Date: 25 Apr 14 - 03:56 AM When I worked down the pit, you got the odd left hand bend followed by a right hand bend rather than straight. This was because you couldn't burrow under churches. At college we were told it was due to subsidence concerns and heritage considerations. However, one old lecturer, who we called Karl for political piss take reasons said it was because Church of England were greedy about mineral rights. To be fair to him, the subsidence and heritage link was dealt a blow when we managed to empty Clumber Lake and inadvertently create a wetland for birds next to it. The National Trust weren't terribly chuffed about that. We were though. We were 3,000 ft under it and within a few weeks it started getting damper than normal in that area. I knew that lecture about permeable strata was worth missing the pub for. We added churches to the paranoia list we complied about him. Still , he knew a thing or two about batteries. Especially six pint porous pot Leclanché cells. (Thread drift. Karl also said something I always remember which resonates with David Cameron's assertion that "we " are a Christian country with Christian values. He told us that Clement Atlee, when Prime Minister, said he was into Christian values but without all the mumbo jumbo surrounding it.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK trespass law to be removed From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 25 Apr 14 - 01:30 PM In the UK, ownership of all oil and gas reserves is vested in the Crown by the Petroleum Act of 1998. Access rights must be obtained from the landholder. Lease or license is needed to set up a rig. Lateral drilling- See Bacardo vs. Star Energy. Decision in favor of Ricardo. King and Spalding, "Energy Newsletter," April 2014m Susanna Marshall. Come on Richard, give us your expertise. |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK trespass law to be removed From: Stilly River Sage Date: 25 Apr 14 - 03:47 PM Here is Texas lots of people own their mineral rights if they have property bought prior to the activity in gas leasing. In recent years developers who own land for new neighborhoods have scraped off the mineral rights before selling lots for home building. I'm guessing that homeowners can choose whether or not to sell mineral rights. It probably changes the property values dramatically. SRS |
