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Subject: BS: A true sportsman From: Louie Roy Date: 16 Jan 14 - 11:50 AM A man in Baker Oregon with a cougar permit shot a cougar and then found out it was a lactating female. Knowing that the kittens would die within of a few hours without their mother he was able to track the female back to her den through the snow. He found 3 kittens in the den which he rescued and took them to the fish and game in Baker knowing that he was probably going to get into trouble for killing a lactating female cougar which is against the law in Oregon even though he had no way of knowing she was lactating. The kittens now are healthy and are being bottle fed every 4 hours and eventually will end up in a NC Zoo |
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Subject: RE: BS: A true sportsman From: gnu Date: 16 Jan 14 - 11:59 AM Good on him! |
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Subject: RE: BS: A true sportsman From: akenaton Date: 16 Jan 14 - 12:04 PM Why do they want to shoot cougars?....are they a pest like foxes? I couldn't shoot a "dumb" animal...unless it was about to attack me, but I'm a meat eater so, I suppose I'm a bit of a hypocrite :0( |
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Subject: RE: BS: A true sportsman From: Jack the Sailor Date: 16 Jan 14 - 12:12 PM Ake are you implying that shooting parrots and people is OK because they can talk? Seriously, since the state is giving out "cougar permits" it probably means they believe the population needs to be culled. Killing is the way of nature, especially cougars. I don't see a problem as long as it is done responsibly. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A true sportsman From: Bill D Date: 16 Jan 14 - 12:19 PM "... I'm a meat eater so, I suppose I'm a bit of a hypocrite" Not at all... you are descended from several million years of omnivores. I wonder just when certain vegetarian types decided that eating what our remote ancestors ate became some sort of sin? |
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Subject: RE: BS: A true sportsman From: Jack the Sailor Date: 16 Jan 14 - 12:32 PM Ake is saying that it is hypocritical to imply that it is wrong to kill an animal for meat, while eating bits of animals that others have killed for him to eat. That is something that has been debated where I grew up at least from the time Bardot flew in to cuddle a fake seal pup and call us barbarians. I think I have heard every side of that argument, many many times and I agree, its a little hypocritical. Its like the time I was at Kerrville and this lad was singing a protest song he had against copper mines while playing on nice shiny bronze wound strings. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A true sportsman From: GUEST,Eliza Date: 16 Jan 14 - 12:34 PM I'm rather sad the poor little things will spend the rest of their lives in a mouldy old zoo. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A true sportsman From: Jack the Sailor Date: 16 Jan 14 - 12:53 PM The NC Zoo is very well kept. No more mouldy than the den they were born in I expect. I have to show some state pride in saying it is not bad at all as zoos go. But Carol was a zookeeper for a time and she has convinced me that zoo animals, especially primates and large predators lives miserable lives in zoos. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A true sportsman From: akenaton Date: 16 Jan 14 - 12:59 PM Yes Jack, we kill Red Deer in Scotland...we make a sport of it, but the landowners say it is done in the interests of the animals, they say the deer would starve to death if they were not culled, but I don't really believe them.....I think its all about the money they make from European "hunters" I once saw a snow white Red Deer stag in the lights of my car, one of the greatest thrills of my life...it looked huge and shimmered like silver.....it seemed so noble and unafraid, I felt unfit to gaze at it in wonder, never mind kill the magnificent beast. Bill its not really about eating the meat, its about how we regard farmed creatures....just commodities. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A true sportsman From: Jack the Sailor Date: 16 Jan 14 - 01:13 PM The landowners are right and you are right. The land can only support so many deer and they do make money. IMHO there is no animal more majestic than a moose silent, graceful, striding through 3 foot tall bushes. I also think that few things are more delicious than sir moose's meat when properly prepared. I could easily (quamlessly?) kill him if I needed to for meat. But I'd rather leave that duty to someone who enjoys it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A true sportsman From: akenaton Date: 16 Jan 14 - 02:14 PM I think we have found common ground at last Jack! :0) Being close to nature in all its grandeur is a humbling experience. and I do appreciate a nice piece of roast venison. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A true sportsman From: Greg F. Date: 16 Jan 14 - 02:50 PM since the state is giving out "cougar permits" it probably means they believe the population needs to be culled. More likely there's a State revenue shortfall and selling permits and hunting licenses makes money. In most cases "game management"[sic] in the U.S. has nothing to do with scientific management, but raising "game" to maximize the # of animals available to kill to satisfy people who buy licenses & permits. And before anyone gets on my case, I am and have been a hunter for many years. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A true sportsman From: Dave Hanson Date: 16 Jan 14 - 02:53 PM Killing for conservation eh !! it's a bit like fucking for virginity. Dave H |
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Subject: RE: BS: A true sportsman From: GUEST,Eliza Date: 16 Jan 14 - 04:44 PM I should think that a cougar has quite a wide territory for his hunting and roaming. No matter how excellent a zoo, it's still a kind of prison. I also can't understand killing creatures for mere sport. To eat, yes. (I love meat) But not just for the pleasure of ending the life of a wild animal. Sinister IMO. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A true sportsman From: gnu Date: 16 Jan 14 - 05:22 PM Eliza... that's a jump to assume this man killed a cougar for mere sport. If he did, fuck him... he is an ignorant asshole and every hunter would agree with that. Obviously, he is not an ignorant asshole. Do I know why he killed the cougar? No. So far, in this thread, nobody does. Zoos? No. Just NO! The only justification I can see for keeping any animal in captivity is to attempt to ensure the species survives and that doesn't require zoos. I cannot go to a zoo... I can't stomach watching animals in constant torture. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A true sportsman From: Greg F. Date: 16 Jan 14 - 05:41 PM Well,Gnuzer, since hunting of cougars is legal in Oregon, as long as one has a hunting license and a cougar permit, perhaps you can tell us why this gent bothered to spend good money get a license and a permit to go cougar hunting if he wasn't hunting for sport? Nobody EATS cougars. I think its reasonable to assume that he shot the critter for "sport" until evidence that contradicts this is offered. Don't you? Story Here |
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Subject: RE: BS: A true sportsman From: Greg F. Date: 16 Jan 14 - 05:45 PM PS: Gnuzer, I seem to recall you have no qualms about shooting coyotes for sport. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A true sportsman From: Louie Roy Date: 16 Jan 14 - 06:24 PM Just for the record and info for Greg F people do eat cougar and the Lions club in Hungry Horse MT has an annual Lion's feed every year or used to. Also for the record a cougar is a born killer and kill for the fun of it. Several ranchers in this area have lost as high as 20 sheep from one cougar over night. In Roseburg Oregon a town of 20,000 in the past 6 months 6 cougars have been killed in the middle of town and several home owners have lost their dogs and cats |
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Subject: RE: BS: A true sportsman From: Rapparee Date: 16 Jan 14 - 06:31 PM Ah, about that eating cougars -- you're dead wrong. People, especially in very rural areas, have and do have "cougar feeds" if one of them happens to shoot one (usually because the cat has killed one or more calves or lambs -- they will rarely, rarely attack people). The cougar is butchered and everyone in the neighborhood brings whatever to the "feed." The meat is light colored and probably tastes like chicken (everything seems to taste like chicken!). No, I haven't been to one of these as they are local affairs among neighbors. And yes, predation permits have always been issued. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A true sportsman From: Rapparee Date: 16 Jan 14 - 06:37 PM Chicago? If such an animal is kept as a pet...don't get me started. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A true sportsman From: gnu Date: 16 Jan 14 - 06:39 PM Greg F... "I think its reasonable to assume that he shot the critter for "sport" until evidence that contradicts this is offered. Don't you?" No. It is not reasonable for a sane man to assume. Greg F... "PS: Gnuzer, I seem to recall you have no qualms about shooting coyotes for sport." You lyin piece a shit motherfuckin asshole! You take that back and fuckin apologize!!!! PUBLICALLY WITHIN THIS THREAD. Or I will do whatever is in my power to fuuuuck you over you piece of shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HOW FUCKING DARE YOU POST THAT? |
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Subject: RE: BS: A true sportsman From: akenaton Date: 16 Jan 14 - 06:49 PM Steady on lads!! I thought it was only UKers that got so mean. :0) Cool it Gnuser! :0) |
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Subject: RE: BS: A true sportsman From: gnu Date: 16 Jan 14 - 06:55 PM Cool it? Fuck that. This ignorant piece of shit has committed libel on the internUt. I demand a complete and total apology. Nothing less. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A true sportsman From: akenaton Date: 16 Jan 14 - 07:43 PM You gone an' done it now Greg!....You gonna git a whuppin'!! And not before time in my opinion.. :0) |
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Subject: RE: BS: A true sportsman From: Greg F. Date: 16 Jan 14 - 08:48 PM people do eat cougar Apologies - should have been more specific -I should have said the vast majority of people people, or most sane people - don't eat cougar. Also for the record a cougar is a born killer and kill for the fun of it. I expected someone to come up with that anthropomorphic nonsense. Thanks for not disappointing me. And yes, predation permits have always been issued. Where does it say anything about this guy hunting on a predation permit? usually because the cat has killed one or more calves or lambs What livestock had the cougar in the news story killed? Gnu, I think you need to do a little review HERE and on several other coyote threads. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A true sportsman From: gnu Date: 16 Jan 14 - 09:38 PM Greg, you ignorant LYING fuck! I quote from your link... "I am all for shoting them if they threaten livestock, pets or people." That is YOUR link. It has nothing to do with your lies about me. Why can't you just admit you lied and committed libel against me you ignorant piece of fucking garbage? You sicken me you lying piece of trash. You are lucky you are miles away from me and feel you can hide behind the distance and the inherent anonymity of the internUt. If you were in my presence, I would not hesitate to tell you to atone or be subject to a proper thrashing. You are one fucked up individual. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A true sportsman From: Rapparee Date: 16 Jan 14 - 09:55 PM I have no problem shooting coyotes or any other animal that is threatening me or another, or another's livelihood, as long as it is done legally (if at all possible), the kill is quick, and whatever possible of the animal is used. Greg F., I do not know where you live but it obviously isn't anywhere where you might be threatened by any animal. Obviously you don't know that rabies is endemic in the US, and you obviously have had no experience in any wilderness area. Therefore, I invite you to the West to hike with me in the Frank Church/River of No Return Wilderness, the Selways, the Sawtooths, the Bitterroots, the Cascades, the Tetons, the Yellowstone back country, the Sierras, the Owyhee Desert, the Uintahs, or even in the National Forests of Illinois, Missouri, or Indiana -- or Maine, for that matter. This trip will last until you cry "Hold! Enough!". Perhaps from such an experience you'll learn not to express opinions on subjects you know nothing other than what you had read in a book or on the Internet. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A true sportsman From: bobad Date: 16 Jan 14 - 11:08 PM C'mon now guys don't be too hard on Greg, he said he was a hunter and he lives in upstate New York - big game country. The place is loaded with vicious game like rabbits, grouse, corn fed deer, turkeys, squirrels etc. I live in the same general vicinity and I can vouch for the inherent danger posed by the wildlife. Why just the other day a flock of wild turkeys passed by not a hundred yards from me and my wife but fortunately they didn't see us so we were spared from a possible attack and severe pecking injuries. It was a close call but we survived to live another day. Let's hope that some of our good fortune rubs off on Greg and keeps him safe as he stalks the big game of northern New York. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A true sportsman From: Rapparee Date: 16 Jan 14 - 11:34 PM You're correct, bodad, and I withdraw my invitation to him. I do hope that he doesn't step into a gopher hole on the golf course or be beaten down by an angry sparrow. Baby bunnies can be fierce as well. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A true sportsman From: Jack the Sailor Date: 16 Jan 14 - 11:52 PM I saw a turtle on a golf course near Ottawa once. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A true sportsman From: akenaton Date: 17 Jan 14 - 04:22 AM This is all getting VERY silly. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A true sportsman From: Jack the Sailor Date: 17 Jan 14 - 09:34 AM Since things are strange already, here are some random thoughts I have yet to assimilate. I saw on the local news last night that the three cubs have arrived at the North Carolina zoo. Carol told me that they could be trained to survive in the wild. There is a breed (subspecies?) of cougar called The Carolina Panther the Charlotte pro football team is named after them. They are at the point of extinction. Sightings are exceedingly rare. Coyotes at most of Carol's watermelon crop this year. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A true sportsman From: Rapparee Date: 17 Jan 14 - 10:06 AM Do some genetic tests (you can use scat) and see if they are a subspecies. If not, cougars could be moved in. There's also the Nittny lion in Pennsylvania and a "panther" in Florida. The Kentucky country used to host "painers". I hope that, like wolves, pumas are reclaiming their old range. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A true sportsman From: beardedbruce Date: 17 Jan 14 - 10:08 AM Gnu, GregF is a lying sack of shit. He accussed me of calling people "dumb ni**er" , and for proof, put up a post of someone else saying that a bill had been brought up by someone who was Black and a Democrat. But since he has friends like Bobert and SRS that support his anti-social lies, Mudcat has kept entirely quiet about him and his abusive commentaries. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A true sportsman From: Jack the Sailor Date: 17 Jan 14 - 10:54 AM Not entirely quiet. Coyotes ate Carol's watermelons. on the coast of the Carolinas. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A true sportsman From: GUEST,highlandman at work Date: 17 Jan 14 - 10:58 AM Rap- It's pronounced "Pyoomas" and they live in the canyons and eat unfortunate workers who fall off bridges. I know this because Tommy Smothers said it on the tv. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A true sportsman From: GUEST,Musket Date: 17 Jan 14 - 11:08 AM I take it that posts from Jack the Sailor tediously pointing out breaking of rules in shouting at each other seem to be missing? Or is that attitude only reserved for the likes of me in other threads? I once saw a hypocritical Sea Cadet all washed up. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A true sportsman From: akenaton Date: 17 Jan 14 - 11:10 AM I've been trying to get Joe to put the hammer on the Brits for abusive language, and then you guys start acting like Brits(arseholes), yourselves! Get a grip the lot of you, its only a storm in a teacup, Greg's not THAT bad and gnu goes of like a ton of TNT!! :0) Look what I've had to stomach for the last couple of years and settle down. You're a great bunch of guys...don't spoil it, you'll end up a whinging cynical shower...Ake yo .. . .. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A true sportsman From: beardedbruce Date: 17 Jan 14 - 11:20 AM Sorry, GregF IS that bad, and has been encouraged by SRS and others. He has attacked others, and when they try to defend themselves their posts are removed, leaving his lying accusations to stand as unanswered. He attacks others who he disagrees with, with no basis in fact. AND most of the people here keep quiet and let him do so without any comment. Shits like him need to be brought to account. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A true sportsman From: akenaton Date: 17 Jan 14 - 11:41 AM Doesn't do any good Brucie , try to find some common ground there's really not that much between you, you both hold basically the same principles.....just have different ideas about putting them into practice. You've both let that small difference widen into something like the Grand Canyon...both of you get up on that high wire and shake hands in the middle. Celebrate the fact that you're both from the US and don't BELONG to any fucker! Sometimes I think you guys don't appreciate how good you ARE. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A true sportsman From: beardedbruce Date: 17 Jan 14 - 11:49 AM It is NOT what principles he has that are the problem- He has made personal attacks on me and others, and been protected from all accountability. There are many others who I disagree with MORE- but he is the biggest lying piece of shit I have seen on Mudcat, including Martin Gibson. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A true sportsman From: Jack the Sailor Date: 17 Jan 14 - 12:01 PM Bruce, I like you and your contributions to this forum very much. I am not on here enough to have seen all interactions. But I have seen you complaining about Greg about 20 times for every time I have seen him attack you. Considering that he seems to like getting under people's skins you are giving him an astronomical on his insult investment. We have all made our minds up about that now about how they feel about Greg. You don't have to tell us how he is. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A true sportsman From: Jack the Sailor Date: 17 Jan 14 - 12:05 PM >>>From: GUEST,Musket - PM Date: 17 Jan 14 - 11:08 AM I take it that posts from Jack the Sailor tediously pointing out breaking of rules in shouting at each other seem to be missing? Or is that attitude only reserved for the likes of me in other threads? I once saw a hypocritical Sea Cadet all washed up. <<< by all means lets sacrifice another thread to the altar of Ian Mather petulance. Seems to me that Gnu and Greg and Bruce do not need to be reminded that there are rules here. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A true sportsman From: beardedbruce Date: 17 Jan 14 - 12:10 PM "But I have seen you complaining about Greg about 20 times for every time I have seen him attack you" Then you have been keeping your eyes shut. The simple fact that he lies about what people post, and is not held to account, should be enough to justify my comments. But the silence of so many here encourages him to continue. I have to presume that those who keep quiet about his tactics agree with him that vicious lies attacking people, rather than the points of discussion, are just fine, as long as they can score you a point in the argument. Those are NOT the people **I** want to have discussions with. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A true sportsman From: Greg F. Date: 17 Jan 14 - 12:25 PM ... upstate New York. The place is loaded with vicious game like rabbits, grouse, corn fed deer, turkeys, squirrels etc. Yup, and where I am, the Adirondacks, black bears & what Gnu incorrectly calls "Brush Wolves"[i.e. Coyotes] and moose and fisher and bobcat, etc. And some swear there are cougars, but I don't believe 'em. And I've been backpacking and camping and hunting here for 50+ years in the dark, scary woods that so trouble Gnu & BooBad and Rap and not once have I been bothered or threatened by any animal, except domestic dogs, black flies, deer flies & mosquitos. I invite you to the West to hike...Tetons, the Yellowstone back country...even in the National Forests of Illinois, Missouri, or Indiana -- or Maine Been there, done that. In addition to annual backpack camping trips to north-central Maine every year for the past 25 years. Only critters that ever came close to being a problem were grizzlies. This trip will last until you cry "Hold! Enough!". Then it'll be one of the longest trips on record. Oh, and Rap: I don't play golf. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A true sportsman From: Jack the Sailor Date: 17 Jan 14 - 12:40 PM "Then you have been keeping your eyes shut. " I told you I don't see everything. But please consider that you have attacked him 5 times and he has attacked you 0 times. "The simple fact that he lies about what people post, and is not held to account," You hold him to account. You have done it 5 times on this thread. It doesn't do any good. A strategy you might consider is to copy and paste his violations of the rules of the forum into a new post as they occur and say that he is violating the rules. That way you have show that he is antisocial and disruptive without having to go into details about him being a liar and all. You have positive proof right their on the page and you are showing people the harm that the perp is doing to the people reading the post by purposely and knowingly disrupting the harmony of their forum. I can tell you from experience that this technique is immensely satisfying. It has not really decreased the frequency of insults, but it has pretty much eliminated their sting. One ironically with a touch of guilt and a little glee ironically looks forward to the next insult so that one can rub it in the insulters face, the more harsh the insult the more the satisfaction in pointing it out. In some ways Max is a psychological genius. I just wish it had not taken me so long to figure this out. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A true sportsman From: beardedbruce Date: 17 Jan 14 - 12:51 PM Jack, The thread I started to complain about him was removed. Seems that it is OK for him to attack me, but my pointing it out and defending myself was against Mudcat "rules" |
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Subject: RE: BS: A true sportsman From: beardedbruce Date: 17 Jan 14 - 01:02 PM Would YOU tolerate THIS??? -------------------------------------------------------------------- "Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Greg F. - PM Date: 10 Nov 11 - 02:00 PM .... Beardie is also the guy that, in the thread about cash only for second-hand goods, wanted us to know that the sponsor of the bill was a Dumb Ni--er. -------------------------------------------------------------------- I protested, and got HIS stated justification: ----------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Greg F. - PM Date: 10 Nov 11 - 02:31 PM For Max and Beardie's benefit, from the archives: Subject: RE: BS: Louisiana Makes It Illegal To Use Cash From: pdq - PM Date: 23 Oct 11 - 07:37 PM Just for the record, the idiot behind this bill is a member of the Louisiana House of Representitives. He is Black and a Democrat." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am near DC- Around here people get FIRED or have the shit beat out of them for using the N word- One person was fired for using ( correctly) the word "niggardly" . Yet I am supposed to put up with that, and his attacks? |
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Subject: RE: BS: A true sportsman From: Jeri Date: 17 Jan 14 - 01:06 PM Four years ago? I wish you'd just shut up, let it go or get so mad you leave, but my feeling about a lot of this shit is that you reap what you sow. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A true sportsman From: beardedbruce Date: 17 Jan 14 - 01:09 PM So I plan to give GregF exactly what he deserves. Obviously, when HE attacks someone you remain silent. The start of the thread that was removed: ________________________________________________________________________________ Subject: BS: Moderator supports attacks on minorities From: beardedbruce - PM Date: 03 Apr 12 - 11:00 AM The Mod. has been deleting postings when minority opinion members try to defend themselves from attacks. This has been repeated, and is UNFAIR. The original attacks are left posted, WITH NO INDICATION that they have been replied to. IF WE CANNOT DEFEND OURSELVES against such attacks, we should just shut down the entire site. ______________________________________________________________________ |
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Subject: RE: BS: A true sportsman From: Greg F. Date: 17 Jan 14 - 01:18 PM Its Baaaaaak! The Return Of BullshitBruce. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A true sportsman From: beardedbruce Date: 17 Jan 14 - 01:19 PM The shit speaks! |
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Subject: RE: BS: A true sportsman From: Greg F. Date: 17 Jan 14 - 01:53 PM Subject: RE: BS: OCDTrolls... From: Greg F. - PM Date: 22 Jun 12 - 12:13 PM And you're still carping about some argument from last year ... And what's more SRS, I admitted my attribution error at the time and apoligized for my error- it can be easily looked up and verified - but that apparently makes no difference to Mr. Beard. As far as his vituperative campaign against the "MudElves", beats me. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A true sportsman From: beardedbruce Date: 17 Jan 14 - 01:58 PM Yet I note you have yet to apologize to gnu… and will probably get your "friends" to get the whole topic of your lying scumbag shit postings dropped. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A true sportsman From: beardedbruce Date: 17 Jan 14 - 02:05 PM Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Greg F. - PM Date: 10 Nov 11 - 02:44 PM APOLOGIES TO BEARDIE! I CONFUSED HIM WITH HIS FELLOW-TRAVELLER PDQ, and I freely admit my error. HOWEVER, his comparing OWS with the KLAN is STILL idiotic and uncalled for. ________________________________________________________________________________ I DID NOT accept his apology- he never admitted that HE is the only one who read " Black, and a Democrat" as the same as "Dumb ni**er". But I guess gnu has to make his own choice. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A true sportsman From: Greg F. Date: 17 Jan 14 - 02:21 PM No apology is warranted, Beardy - read the whole thread I referenced, not just Gnu's carefully selected bits. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A true sportsman From: beardedbruce Date: 17 Jan 14 - 02:24 PM That is for gnu to decide, not you. HE is the injured party. You are just a proven lying scumbag. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A true sportsman From: Greg F. Date: 17 Jan 14 - 04:17 PM Sure is good to have you back, BullshitBruce. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A true sportsman From: beardedbruce Date: 17 Jan 14 - 04:27 PM Thanks, hamster-fucking-GregF. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A true sportsman From: Rapparee Date: 17 Jan 14 - 06:28 PM Well, Greg, I should have mentioned that you (and I) will carry a belt knife with a blade no longer than 5 inches, a pocketknife with no more than 5 blades, flint, tinder, three fish hooks, a package of unwaxed dental floss, three large trash bags, a hat, an extra pair of socks, and the clothes on your back. Yes, I've done that and I'm certain you can too. Oh, I've also done it without the flint, tinder, fish hooks, belt knife, trash bags, and extra socks. I just want you to be comfortable. |
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Subject: RE: BS: A true sportsman From: Jack the Sailor Date: 17 Jan 14 - 06:39 PM Rap, I'm sure most or the forum would appreciate it if you took him on the longest hike ever :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: A true sportsman From: Greg F. Date: 18 Jan 14 - 10:28 AM Sounds like a couple of week-long back-country survival training courses I've been on, Rap. But I'm getting a bit too old for that sort of thing these days- the knees especially can't take it. I love you too, Jack. |
