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Subject: BS: Undecided Scottish women From: Jim McLean Date: 30 Sep 13 - 07:09 AM Should be watched by all Scottish women. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrKqWSSshUw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Undecided Scottish women From: Jim McLean Date: 30 Sep 13 - 07:11 AM Scotish women Sorry, here's a blue clicky (I hope). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Undecided Scottish women From: Megan L Date: 30 Sep 13 - 07:38 AM |
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Subject: RE: BS: Undecided Scottish women From: Mrrzy Date: 30 Sep 13 - 09:45 PM Subtitles? Incomprehensible Scottish Women? Uncomprehending American Mrr? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Undecided Scottish women From: Desert Dancer Date: 01 Oct 13 - 12:51 PM Full transcript is in the "About", Mrrzy. ~ Becky in Long Beach |
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Subject: RE: BS: Undecided Scottish women From: Joe Offer Date: 02 Oct 13 - 12:29 AM I just got back from two weeks in Scotland, my first visit there. I understood every word of this video, but I wouldn't have understood it at all before my visit. I was also convinced that I need to become a Scottish citizen so I can vote YES! on the referendum. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Undecided Scottish women From: Megan L Date: 02 Oct 13 - 02:04 AM You obviously didn't visit Orkney Joe if Salmond winds a yes vote we may as well close our islands like they did St Kilda |
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Subject: RE: BS: Undecided Scottish women From: Jim McLean Date: 02 Oct 13 - 04:07 AM I don't understand your reasoning, Megan. Salmond, by the way, is only spearheading the referendum, there are many people, including myself, who are not members of the SNP who would like to see Scotlamd handling it's own affairs. All this talk of the referendum being identity driven is garbage. I am Scottish but live in England so I don't have a it. An Englishman, or anyone of a non Scottish identity who lives in Scotland can vote which is entirely correct. Caroline Leckie makes a great case for a bright future for all who live in Scotland. Smile, don't frown. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Undecided Scottish women From: GUEST,Allan Conn Date: 02 Oct 13 - 06:04 AM You are right Jim the argument per se is simply about how best for the people of Scotland (whatever their origin, race etc) to be governed however at the same time identity can't be dismissed altogether. And that is from both sides of the debate. Most scots aren't particularly strident either way but there are some nationalists and some unionists who don't care about the economics etc as their choices are based on identity. For instance my wife is a confirmed unionist and during the Olympics she said to me as the British athletes were picking up all the golds "we would really miss this if scotland was independent". I didn't quite follow her logic but after some discussion it appeared evident that she views "British" as being a political thing whereas I view it as being a geographic/cultural thing. If Scotland and England were independent from each other politically it would make no difference to how I enjoy British successes at the likes of the Olympics. I'd still regard myself as being British too and linked to the other people in these islands by culture family ties etc. However she sees a political seperation as being an end to any kind of Britishness and, though I don't agree with her, she would feel it as a loss! everyone feels different. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Undecided Scottish women From: Jim McLean Date: 02 Oct 13 - 01:59 PM Allan, my wife is also English, from Durham. Born in Newcastle, she maintains she only just made it! She is, however, very ambivalent to the refendum but my point was that the 'No" campaigners, especially Labour, are saying that it is nationalism, a "virus" which is driving the campaign. The You tube video I highlighted is from a woman's point of view and she is no nationalist. On the same platform with her were members of the Labour Party, Green Party and Scottish Socialists, all united in the believe that an independent Scotland would be good for the inhabitants of Scotland. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Undecided Scottish women From: GUEST,Allan Conn Date: 02 Oct 13 - 05:49 PM Quite so Jim and of course both sides are nationalists anyway. Scottish or British nationalism are both forms of nationalism :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Undecided Scottish women From: akenaton Date: 02 Oct 13 - 06:47 PM I would like to see an independent Scotland. But I do not see how we can achieve sovereignty, while remaining in the EEU or NATO I joined the Party when I saw it as the only hope of putting an end to illegal interventionist wars....some of my friends have family in the armed services, and they have a horror of their children being maimed or killed for spurious political purpose. Lately, I see Mr Salmond backtracking on much of what he promised the Scottish people, he has started to behave just like another politician...courting the stinking corrupt media. If we are to become a vibrant prosperous nation, I believe we must shake off the law-makers of Brussles and run our own affairs. Are we to accept the indignities heaped on Westminster or will we take the "Road less travelled"? Scotland has many social problems to address and I don't see how we can address them with our hands tied. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Undecided Scottish women From: GUEST,Giok Date: 02 Oct 13 - 06:59 PM The EEC has ruined the Scottish fishing industry, and were it not for the fact that Wee Fish is desperate to join said EEC, I would vote yes. However, I cannot see the point of exchanging Westminster domination, only to leap into Brussels domination. Not what I call independence! So it's a resounding NO, from me. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Undecided Scottish women From: Jim McLean Date: 03 Oct 13 - 03:59 AM It should be remembered that after independence there will be an election in Scotland and the people will decide the colour of their parliament. It could be a Labour government with different policies from the current SNP so staying with the status quo, I.e. a Westminster government is purely negative. Change in Scotland can be more effectively and quickly achieved by the people in Scotland. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Undecided Scottish women From: akenaton Date: 03 Oct 13 - 04:27 AM Yes I agree Jim, but surely the about faces by Mr Salmond has made the achievement of Independence more difficult. He should have built on the national disgust with the political class in general.....people want more of a voice in how they are governed; and not just the people who inhabit Twitter and Facebook or read what now passes for journalism in the national press. I always thought that this referendum would be won by appealing to the heart and spirit of the Scottish people, not by licking the arses of the media.....our natural enemy. |
