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Subject: BS: Paul for President. From: akenaton Date: 09 Sep 13 - 11:02 AM Interesting article in todays Times, on Mr Rand Paul, son of the famous libertarian Ron Paul. It appears that Mr Paul is a favourite of grass roots Republicans (Tea Party) and is presently involved in opposition to the Democrat administrations push for a military strike in Syria. This course of action by the Dems is apparently very unpopular with the US public at large and Mr Paul is garnering substantial support from the political left, who no longer see the USA in a role of "World policeman) or "World pirates) This crisis could presumably see the tearful end of Mr Obama's presidency, either through "warmongering, or weakness depending on how one views the issues involved. The Times reckons that if Mr Paul's profile is raised by his stance against striking Syria, and he succeeds in uniting Democrats and Republicans against US foreign policy, he will be a very good bet as next president of the USA? Personally, I have been saying for years that what is needed in the wilderness of American politics is a strong leader who can unite left and right against the corporate hegemony.......Real people power, lets see you all out on the streets .....tell the bastards that you will not except any more of your young men dying for a lie. The myth of "democracy" has been exposed by the military coup by your friends in Egypt......it is really about the de-stabilisation of the Middle East, and that could very easily lead to "Total War" If we cynical bastards in the UK can stand up to them, so can you.....and each on of you real American folks are worth three of us!! Get to it!! Ake |
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Subject: RE: BS: Paul for President. From: Bill D Date: 09 Sep 13 - 11:17 AM I can see that you have not followed the bulk of his OTHER opinions, attitudes and ideas. Electing Paul because you like his notion of isolationism would be like the joke about approving of Mussolini because 'he made the trains run on time'. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Paul for President. From: Bobert Date: 09 Sep 13 - 11:20 AM Paul is NOT getting "substantial support from the political left", Ake... What he has done is gotten a number of college kids attention with his anti-war position... These kids haven't figured out just what they believe about other issues so I wouldn't include them as part of the "left"... They are just against war... Duhhhhhh??? The only reason the Tea Party likes him is that he is so anti-government but make one thing clear: if a Republican were in the White House the Tea Party would be 100% for bombing Syria... You can take that to the bank... Paul speaks for less than 20% of Americans, Ake... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Paul for President. From: Little Hawk Date: 09 Sep 13 - 11:31 AM Ah...yes...the usual standard reactions. (snore) Forget it, Akenaton. All you will achieve talking about such matters on this forum will be to rouse a sleeping herd of hostile beasts who will rise in rage and attempt to "rend you", to quote from the St. James version of the Bible. For something refreshing and straight to the point, however, read the latest column on Syria from Eric Margolis, who tells it as it truly is: September 7, 2013 Recalling the massacres and destruction during the 1820's Greek war of independence from the Ottoman Empire, then Victor Hugo wrote, "the Turks have passed by here – All is in ruins and mourning." Today, the nations in ruins and mourning are Iraq, Sudan, Afghanistan, and, to a lesser degree, Libya, all dismembered or broken up by the power of the mighty American Raj. Syria is clearly the next target of the American imperial bulldozer. After two years of brutal rebellion armed and financed by the US and its regional allies, Syria now faces devastation. A campaign of air-strikes and missiles will crush Syria's air force, tanks, artillery and communications. Israel stands ready to sweep up the ruins of Syria. Pure black comedy. Shamelessly stealing Bush administration propaganda, the Obama White House has been actually warning that Syria's chemical weapons (most of their raw materials came from Europe) pose a dire threat to the United States. Syria acquired chemical weapons to counter Israel's large arsenal of nuclear weapons, originally supplied by France. Failure to act will be another Munch appeasement, warns Obama. But the US Congress could not take action because it was still on summer vacation. President Obama even allowed there was no urgency for action. The important thing he declared was that America's "credibility" was at stake. Politicians invoke credibility as a excuse after they have made a huge blunder –notably Obama's foolish "red lines" in Syria that boxed the president into a corner of his own making. What we are seeing is the latest, 21st century version of the new era of colonialism and imperialism, with a touch of Crusader zeal thrown in. Today, the favored euphemism is humanitarian intervention, but the song remains the same. Syria is not about poison gas or human rights: it's about a proxy war against Iran, the only nation now challenging total US and Israel military domination of the Mideast. For France, it's about reasserting its former colonial rule in Syria and Lebanon In 1857, a Chinese baker in Hong Kong tried to poison the British trade superintendent. Britain's parliament was summoned to vote on retaliation against China. The vote did not pass. But soon after a new parliament with more conservatives voted for war. France rushed to join Britain, citing the killing of a French missionary. Russia and the US joined. The Second Opium War had begun. China was quickly defeated by the western powers and forced to open it ports to their commerce and begin consuming highly addictive opium grown in the British Indian Raj. Look at current events in Syria in this historical light rather than all the indignation over chemical weapons in Syria. Besides, given that the weird Japanese cult, Aum Shinrikyo, managed to produce home-made Sarin ( I just barley missed its attack on Tokyo's subway), how do we know who really made Syria's gas? Far more important, the US Congress has become seriously corrupted by special interest money – and that's putting it gently. How else did all the Wall Street bankers escape punishment for their egregious financial frauds and theft? Now, other wealthy special interest in America are beating the war drums and pulling the strings of their legislators. Israel is pushing the US hard to destroy its old foe Syria – which would remove the last Arab state capable of offering even modest military resistance to Israel. So it seems likely the upcoming Congressional vote may approve a "limited" war. But remember "mission creep" from Vietnam days? Previous estimates of a so-called limited air campaign against Iran called for over 3,200 targets to be hit repeatedly. And who will rule Syria after President Bashar Assad is deposed or killed? Today's Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan hardly offer a promising example of Washington-guided democracy. Washington is still trying to figure out what happened to Herzegovina – it's not ready for Syria's maddening complexity. In fact, I'd wager that most members of the US Congress could not find Syria on a map. Ordinary taxpaying Americans, polls show, are totally against yet another jolly little war that has no sense to it, no exit strategy, and that offers only mayhem and confusion. But the US chariot of the Juggernaut just keeps rolling along. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Paul for President. From: akenaton Date: 09 Sep 13 - 12:06 PM Its not only his anti-war stance that I like folks, its the idea of uniting people against "establishment politics" the merry go round that Hawk has been railing against since I first arrived here. I just thought that maybe here was someone who could help ordinary Americas see through the mirage? Most of the true left don't need any advice on the bankruptcy of the system, but to effect change we need to take ordinary "socially conservative" folks along with us.....the dangerous bastards are those who know exactly what is wrong and that it is terminal, yet advise against any REAL movement towards systemic change...the "fifth column" "liberals" Ron Paul seems to be quite well respected by people of all persuasions, and I rather like his attitude to "party politics"....don't know so much about Rand, and perhaps he is just trying to make political capital out of the situation as bobert suggests, but we can surely see the alternative if Obama is allowed to "save face" by plunging the world into serious conflict. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Paul for President. From: Rapparee Date: 09 Sep 13 - 12:13 PM He's about as ready to help "common folks" as the Koch Brothers are to give all they have to the poor and become Trappist monks. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Paul for President. From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 09 Sep 13 - 12:23 PM I have no problem with that post, Little Hawk, as you might guess. Bobert: "Paul speaks for less than 20% of Americans, Ake..." I think you got that mixed up, Bobert...20% of the people think we ought to go to war with Syria....depending on whose poll you're citing. one poll has it at 9%...and I heard of one at 36%...in any event, it's not much for support. As far as Paul..I liked his dad...but Rand needs more of a track record, and needs not to identify himself with the Tea Party, as much as common sense, and the pulse of the American people. Any 'rising political star', is going to have a tough time of it, after the last few Presidents, and gaining credibility back....we've had a run of a few VERY dishonest, and bankrolled politicians. To put it plainly, and this is not just my opinion, but most people here, just plainly don't trust the government, nor the people in power, and the two main party memberships are plummeting...(about time)....while Independents, Tea, and Libertarian party's are rising...not that that makes a difference....If you aren't corrupt, or corruptible, you just aren't going to get the funding to even be heard!...as it was during the last Presidential debates!..Oh, and BTW, Hilary is NOT an alternative....outwardly she comes off sorta like a 'liberal'..but underneath, you might as well support another Bush!...Oh My, I think I said that about Obama about 5 years ago, too.....but because he was 'black' MANY unthinking, low information 'so-called liberals' voted in droves for him..as if to say, "Look how 'hip' I am..we've come a LONG way, Baby,.....".....to which, was stupid nonsense! If you criticized his dumb policies you were labelled as a 'racist'...which of course was just plain dumb. This guy wants to take us to war again, with little or no proof of who did it!!! Don't you think that after Benghazi, and his lying statements following that, made by him, Rice at the U.N., and Hilary..don't you think that the world SHOULD be a 'little skeptical' about placing their trust in him???? As it is now, come election time, ANYONE found to be just the slightest bit honest would be a sigh of relief. This guy we got in now is just out of control!....and if they DID find someone honest, the people would never even get to hear him speak! Yeppers, we are in a bad place, and living recklessly! GFS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Paul for President. From: GUEST,CS Date: 09 Sep 13 - 12:45 PM I don't know how great he would be for minority rights and interests within the US, but Paul would certainly be great for the rights and interests of the rest of the world. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Paul for President. From: Bobert Date: 09 Sep 13 - 01:19 PM Every poll I've seen has the Tea Party support at 20% or below... Even the Rasmussen poll... The left has ***no*** interest in anything that the Tea Party stands for... Please don't put anarchists in "left" column... They6 are not... They are skinheads and wackos... These people just want violence to violence and hate sake... Yeah, they showed up at some Occupy demonstrations but they are not part of the left... They are closer to the Tea Party than anything else... You people really shouldn't speak for the "left" if you are not part of the left, especially LH and GfinS who haven't a clue about what they speak when it comes to the "left"... B(lifelong leftist)~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Paul for President. From: Bobert Date: 09 Sep 13 - 01:30 PM Sorry, Ake, ol' buddy... Didn't mean to leave you out of my list of people who are clueless and should not be speaking for the "left" so consider yourself a LH and GfinS equal... You know, the three blind mice of Mudville... B;~) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Paul for President. From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 09 Sep 13 - 01:41 PM That's just your opinion, nurtured by your party. Just that alone, should make you suspicious!! YOU'RE the one with the party rhetoric..and their track record for honesty is a bit tainted, do you think? BTW the Tea Party, from what I've heard, is against us getting involved, as are a lot of folks from both parties. This just might be a wake up call, and the scales falling off your eyes! Besides, 'I'm not with the party, I'm with the band!'...(for the bazillionth time!). GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Paul for President. From: Bobert Date: 09 Sep 13 - 01:52 PM That, GfinS, is not only my opinion but as card carrying leftist my observation... You don't read, too well, do you??? What did I say about the Tea Party's position on Syria??? Hey, we on the left are happy to ***use*** the Tea Party if it stops an insane move by Obama but that's it... We have no other ***use*** for them... At least for now... And as for your "I'm not with the party, I'm with the band"??? Well, you certainly have all their songs down... Now go back and read what I said about Syria and the Tea Party... You may get quizzed on it later... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Paul for President. From: akenaton Date: 09 Sep 13 - 02:12 PM Thanx Bob,glad you made that clear.....I was wondering what I done so wrong to deserve your support :0) Seriously I would bet I'm more left politically, than the skin on the outside of a Communist's left buttock, but I'm not so daft as to think the "left" on its own can change anything. We need to make common ground with our conservative brothers and sisters to have any chance of shaking global corporate capitalism. We also have to learn how to use compromise if we become too entrenched in our positions, we play right into the hands of the warmongering fiends who lead and control us...Divide and rule is their motto. Sanity and Hawk may not be radical socialists, but they are good people who see strength in unity The populations of our respective nations are still, quite rightly, socially conservative, and we need to have regard to that fact when visualising the speed of political change. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Paul for President. From: Stringsinger Date: 09 Sep 13 - 02:45 PM Rand Paul has "inherited" his father's propensity toward Libertarianism, a dangerous world philosophy that ensures corporate domination in government. There is no unification behind this idea between different opinions in the U.S. You can't be president of a government that is being dismantled by those who would deregulate it. Drowning it in a bathtub is not a solution. John Roberts is responsible for the gutting of democratic values in the U.S. by insisting that money buys free speech and that corporations have the same rights as private citizens. Rand Paul would probably agree with him. I know Ron does. For example, Civil Rights does trump the role of private businesses to dismiss people from restaurants because of their color. This must be enforced by government as indicated by the Civil Rights Bill which Ron Paul opposes. Ron didn't like what MLK was doing, either. Being against a war in Syria is common sense but not the only requirement to be a distinguished and effective president. Hillary the Hawk is no antidote to our economic woes. Taxpayers are still on the hook for Iraq, Afghanistan, drone strikes in Pakistan and Yemen. The MIC are the takers and the taxpayers are the makers. Fox as usual has it wrong. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Paul for President. From: Bobert Date: 09 Sep 13 - 02:46 PM No, we don't, Ake... There is no common ground with the right wing... The only reason that the Tea Party folks are against bombing Syria is they hate Obama... No other reason... Had Romney won the Tea Party would be in the middle of a war dance... There is nothing we have in common... What the left needs to do is find a high profile "Southern Man" who doesn't have his ass up the tailpipe of some NASCAR race car who will speak the truth to other "Southern Mans" out there and tell them the reason they ain't had a decent raise in their wages for the last 30 years has nuthin' to do black people, or liberals, or Democrats, or elitists... No, this "Southern Man" is going to have to lay the truth on 'um which means Boss Hog and his Republican henchmen and goons... Ya' see, the Southern Strategy goes back to the "liberal" 1964 Civil Rights Act and so the Republican Party went after all the rednecks and KKKers and rounded them all up in their corral and it's worked for them as well as it has worked against "Southern Man"... The term "socialist" means nothing to the American left... The term "communist" means nothing to American left... These are just stupid words that have been demonized past an usefulness as concepts... We on the "left" are somewhat socialistic but not communistic at all... We're really pretty simple... We believe the government should be the great leveler of the playing field... We believe that every person should have adequate health care, access to a good education, that if private capital refuses to create good jobs and take huge profits that those profits should be taxed heavily and be tilled back into the general welfare of the greater good of our people, to not make wars with people and to leave the planet better when we leave the when we got here... That's about it... Pretty simple... We don't want or expect the government to own ndustries (socialism) but we do expect the government to regulate heavily the ones where there is no competition, i.e, monopolies such as electric companies... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Paul for President. From: Bobert Date: 09 Sep 13 - 02:50 PM Ditto, strings... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Paul for President. From: Elmore Date: 09 Sep 13 - 04:03 PM Don't want a president who hates government, as these right wing bozos obviously do. They seem treasonous to me. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Paul for President. From: akenaton Date: 09 Sep 13 - 05:41 PM Bobert..."There is nothing we have in common..." Oh yes there is, humanity and the wish to survive. If we don't stop what we have been doing for the last couple of hundred years, we shall certainly NOT survive....the planet will reject us. In fact that "rejection" may be well underway at the present time To make the changes in society which will redress the balance will means new thought processes...getting AWAY from the party politics which poison the minds of most of us. I'm not advocating industrial Communism, but survival will mean less concentration on "self" and the virtue of personal achievement for money, at the expense of others or natural resources. I admit that I don't know much about Rand Paul's policies, but at least he seems to understand the dangers of the present political system Before Mr Obama was elected, I warned that he was a "creature of the system", that he could never be the man to effect change. I was roundly condemned at the time for my view, but he has shown his true colours on several occasions while paying lip service to a pseudo left wing "equality agenda. His latest boob in wishing to bomb Syria, against the wishes of the majority of the American people, reinforces my view of him as, a "plant". |
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Subject: RE: BS: Paul for President. From: akenaton Date: 09 Sep 13 - 05:46 PM BTW the title of the tread was supposed to be phrased in terms of a question, somehow the question mark has disappeared. Paul for President?.....could someone please fix it? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Paul for President. From: Little Hawk Date: 09 Sep 13 - 06:13 PM I'm a lifetime leftist too, Bobert, basically a democratic socialist, and I always will be a leftist but don't imagine I'm going to waste any of my time beating the dead horse here by trying to "prove" it to anyone. Not a chance. I know how much good it would do (none), and I'd just lose another little bit of my life in the political Mudhole of Mudcat Cafe. I come here for some enjoyable conversation from time to time, not to beat my head repeatedly against a brick wall. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Paul for President. From: akenaton Date: 09 Sep 13 - 06:25 PM Bobert...do you STILL want the banks to be in private hands? Do you trust "global capitalism".....seriously? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Paul for President. From: Don Firth Date: 09 Sep 13 - 07:58 PM Who is John Galt? Rand Paul and a couple of other potential Republican, Libertarian, and Tea Party presidential candidates are wedded to this philosophy. I am not making this up. They have said so, proudly, themselves. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Paul for President. From: Bill D Date: 09 Sep 13 - 08:34 PM Don... I don't know that any of our "three blind mice" will read that, but they should. I tried to say, as Bobert did, that finding one little area where one might think Rand (either Paul or Ayn) makes a small amount of sense thereby justifies electing them to ANY high office, is beyond foolish! I 'liked' a few of the basic attitudes of Dennis Kucinich, but I shudder at the idea of his impetuous 'act first, think later' attitude being in the White House. I like even fewer of Rand Paul's misguided attempts to live up to his namesake. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Paul for President. From: Donuel Date: 09 Sep 13 - 08:47 PM If I named my son after Ayn Rand, thought civil rights was a personal and not a federal matter, believed that corporate interests comes first without any obstacles of regulation and that the elimination of food stamps housing health insurance and public schools was a good thing... I too would attract the votes of up to 20% of Americans. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Paul for President. From: Bobert Date: 09 Sep 13 - 10:47 PM Ake, I believe that we need one central bank... No bundling of securities... No derivatives... No credit default swaps... That stuff is all legalized embezzlement... As for the Tea Party having any real interest in "humanity", Ake... BS... They are all Ayn Rand "fuck you" people who were born white and rich and they aim to keep it that way... There is not one ounce of humanity in the entire bunch of the creepy crooks... If this was Germany in the 30s they would be the first to jump on Hitler's bandwagon... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Paul for President. From: akenaton Date: 10 Sep 13 - 03:57 AM I'm surprised by that Bob, over here we have working class conservatives. Folks who believe in law and order, traditional values, and especially the family unit.....They are not usually political animals at all, just a little misguided by party political propaganda. The "soft" left are often even more misguided in believing that socialism or a fair society can exist within a corporate capitalist system. We should stop demonising our brothers and sisters and show them that we can work together to get the sort of society we all want. The trouble with the left, is that we want everything to happen NOW, change of that magnitude will take a generation or two Our biggest problem is combatting what has been absorbed by people in the span of this exploitative system. Bill D....You shudder at the idea of Kucinich for president, yet laud a man who is prepared to risk starting a third Word War to "save face"?......You cannot be serious? Mr Obama's cover has been blown, I told you he would "change exactly what he is allowed to change", I should have added, "he will do exactly what he is told to do". Hypocrisy does not sit well on Mr Obama's shoulders.....but there it sits. "The People" are their own worst enemy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Paul for President. From: Bobert Date: 10 Sep 13 - 09:53 AM Apparently, you haven't been following the Tea Party here in the US, Ake... It was founded/funded by very rich people involved in keeping the current health care system just the way it is... You know, ineffective with lots of health care rationing and over charging... So these people funneled tens of million$$$ thru Dick Armey's "Freedom Works" (Google it up) which in turn hired "community organizers" (horrors) to go out and appeal to the dumbest fucks that America has to offer... I mean, the crowd they organized were the cut from the same cloth as the goons that these people's grand daddies and great grand daddies ***hired*** to beat up and kill people who were trying to organize labor unions back in the early 1900s... You with me so far??? So, these "community organizers" found the angriest and most hate filled white people and whipped them up into a mob mentality and then taught them how to disrupt "town hall meetings" that were taking place all over the country over the health care reform and guess what, Ake??? You are old enough to know about the "brown shirts" in Germany in the 1930s and if you aren't then Google them up, as well... Same exact tactics were used on ordinary citizens to scare the hell out of them so they wouldn't come to the "town halls meetings" and if you did have the courage to attend one, as my then 90 year old mom did, then they threatened you and screamed at you and you left... Just as my mom did... Hey, Ake... My mom marched for civil rights... She was roughed up and arrested twice back then so she ain't a woman of no courage... So the Tea Party thugs/mercenaries did their thing and after they showed that they can disrupt government functions they didn't stop there... With tens, perhaps hundreds (who knows since the Supreem Court says it none of our business) of more million$$$ were pumped into Tea Party candidates campaigns and they riled up every redneck/KKKer/anti-government wacko in America, coupled that with voter suppression and got enough of these rich, white men in our Congress to do exactly what their goons did in those "town hall meetings": disrupt government from functioning... There you have the ***truth***, Ake... There is nothing I have said here that if you bothered to research you wouldn't find to be factual and accurate... Maybe you should refrain from trying to make judgements on American politics until you, at least, understand the facts... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Paul for President. From: akenaton Date: 10 Sep 13 - 11:12 AM Maybe so Bobert, there seems to be quite a difference between a US conservative and a UK one. However, I too marched and was injured in the cause of civil rights for black folks, so I do understand a little. I think your history still plays a large part in US political perception? Without Unity we can achieve nothing, no matter how committed we are, and we must make an effort to understand how ordinary folks with different political views view important issues. For example, benefits were a great thing, brought in to ease the suffering of people right at the bottom of the heap. In the UK they are now viewed as an entitlement by almost everyone, no matter how little they contribute. The National Health Service is widely abused, by patients doctors and drug companies. A large percentage of people expect themselves and their families to be looked after by the state for generations. There is a downside to left wing ideology, that is symptomatic of the type of system we live under....."do unto others before they do it to you" "Money is god".....this attitude is the first thing that needs to change, and if we as a people remain divided, it will never change. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Paul for President. From: Bobert Date: 10 Sep 13 - 11:22 AM Money is power here in the US, Ake... The rich have bought up enough state governments and the US House of Representatives to render out government either useless or going backwards to policies and prejudices that we thought we had seen the last of... Here in the Charlotte area of North Carolina there are white schools and black schools... What's it been, 60 years, since Brown V. Board of Education told school to integrate??? Yet we have de facto segregation in most urban areas of the South... Why??? Because white people don't wnat their kids going to school with "niggers", that's why... Oh sure, these white people will deny being racists... They will tell you about this of that black friend they have but when you pin them down they don't really have any black friends at all... I've talked about "grinnin' in your face"... That's what Southern white people do... They just put that big ol' smile on their face to make you think they are happy to see you... BS... They are seething inside if you are black but you are going to get the grin... Man, I could write an entire book on just how and why the white South is the way it is 'cause, if there's one thing I know more than I'd like to know, its about Southern culture... Ask me some time how many times I've heard the word "nigger" in my life... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Paul for President. From: Bill D Date: 10 Sep 13 - 11:43 AM "...yet laud a man who is prepared to risk starting a third Word War to "save face"?." Where was I 'lauding' anyone? I DO think Obama is about as well-constituted to be president as anyone I see around right now. I do NOT assume he is 'perfect' and with the world situation these days, I can't imagine anyone being able to juggle all the balls a major leader has in the air! Do YOU know anyone...over here, or over there... who has such omnipotent insight? Would you rather have McCain or Ted Cruz? And.... your question has 2 unfounded premises... 1)WWIII? there is only speculation about what 'slapping Assad's hand' would do.....especially since no one knows how hard we were intending to slap him! It is just as easy to speculate what Assad would do if he were NOT curtailed. 2) It is even MORE speculative that Obama's goal is "saving face". He has explained why he thinks Assad needs a response. "Saving face" is better applied to petty politicians who are worried about their re-election! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Paul for President. From: kendall Date: 10 Sep 13 - 12:07 PM We will not go to war with Assad, and Obama will come out smelling like a rose. Congress will come off looking like what they are, leeches who will not earn their pay. Obama has exposed them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Paul for President. From: Bobert Date: 10 Sep 13 - 12:45 PM I agree 100% with you, Capt'n... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Paul for President. From: akenaton Date: 10 Sep 13 - 02:56 PM Mr Obama will certainly not come out of this "smelling of roses", even tonight, the Russian proposal is being thrown back in their faces .....The West demand a UN resolution threatening "serious consequences" for incomplete compliance. Now where have we heard those words before? As I said on another thread this, has now become all about saving face and National pride, so far as "Boss Hog" is concerned. They will not back off no matter how many people die, or they leave the whole of the middle East in flames. Mr Obama was offered an escape route from the trap he laid for himself and either he wasn't allowed, or didn't want to take it. I he does press on with his war agenda I'm sure the people of the US will never forgive him |
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Subject: RE: BS: Paul for President. From: Bobert Date: 10 Sep 13 - 03:12 PM Obama will wiggle out of this fine, Ake... And he will get credit for pushing Assad and Putin bringing about this deal... Congress won't fair as well... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Paul for President. From: Bill D Date: 10 Sep 13 - 08:38 PM I'll wait an hour for Obama's speech....there's too much going on for anyone to accurately predict what will happen *if* this or *if* that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Paul for President. From: Bill D Date: 11 Sep 13 - 11:22 AM Short form of his speech- "We have good evidence of what was done, and everyone knows it. It would be a good thing if this leads to international control and destruction of chemical weapons. We're willing to to wait a bit and see if things can be worked out... but no sneaky delays and tricks, and we won't wait TOO long." I can't imagine what else he might have said. I know *I* hope both Syria & Russia see the value in winding all this down. It is clear that any more chemical attacks would draw a response without any 'voting'. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Paul for President. From: akenaton Date: 11 Sep 13 - 12:17 PM The Russians say they have evidence that the terrorists did it. Now if Mr Obama's evidence is so strong, why does he not use it to convince the world of Assad's guilt? Why does he not make his evidence public...."everyone does NOT know it" The whole operation stinks of Iraq......Mr Obama has been forced to stop the strikes by the Russian offer to hand over Assad's chemical weapons....he has simply been out manoeuvred by Putin. Thank God. However I don't see "Boss Hog" liking it too much, I'm sure there are a few more tricks hidden in his sty? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Paul for President. From: akenaton Date: 11 Sep 13 - 12:26 PM One simple question for Bill D.....and "Boss Hog", why do you want the "rebels" to win? Is it because Assad is a "bad" man? Is it for "democracy" Is it to stabilise the region? None of the above? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Paul for President. From: Bill D Date: 11 Sep 13 - 12:33 PM "Why does he not make his evidence public.." I suppose it would reveal sources they'd as soon keep secret. The circumstantial evidence IS public, and everyone EXCEPT Russia & Syria sees it. If Russia "has evidence that terrorists did it" why don't THEY show some? Putin is caught in a hard place trying to defend a supposed ally's stupidity. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Paul for President. From: akenaton Date: 11 Sep 13 - 02:01 PM I don't think any of them know who did it. Pictures of dying children are appalling, but prove only that chemicals have been used, not who used them. I don't think Mr Assad is mad or bad enough to make a counter productive attack on children and civilians while inspectors are only a few miles away. What good would it do Assad to kill non-combatants and bring the wrath of the world down on his head? The Islamists are bad and MAD enough to kill their OWN children that Allah may rule!!.....and bring the rest of the world to assist them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Paul for President. From: Bobert Date: 11 Sep 13 - 03:11 PM If the "terrorists", whoever they are are, had access to WMD then you'd think they use it on Assad, not their allies, Ake... Your logic ain't logical... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Paul for President. From: SINSULL Date: 11 Sep 13 - 03:21 PM Oh...I thought you meant Paul McCartney. He's not eligible, I think. heh heh Now someone is bound to ask about Obama's birth certificate. Heading down to the CELLAR! SINS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Paul for President. From: akenaton Date: 11 Sep 13 - 05:58 PM Well, I don't think they have the means of delivery or perhaps the quantity to make much impression on Mr Assad's forces, but getting the US involved to take out his air capabilities would be of much more value to them? Certainly worth the "martyrdom" of a few children. Lets not lose sight of who are the "madmen" in this conflict. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Paul for President. From: Bobert Date: 11 Sep 13 - 07:07 PM Put your tin foil hat back on, Ake... B;~) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Paul for President. From: GUEST Date: 11 Sep 13 - 10:07 PM "Paul speaks for less than 20% of Americans" A previous poster said that. No offence, but please use fewer in this locution/construction. There are three English grammatical errors that make me fucking crazy and that's one of them. If it is countable, it's fewer! Thank you. BTW, if latter posters going to vote for anything named Paul in federal politics you need serious help. Seek out Sarah Palin and heed her words. She is thick as shit but she has great tits. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Paul for President. From: Bobert Date: 11 Sep 13 - 10:15 PM I agree, GUEST... I was kinda hopoin' that she'd take Hugh Hefner up on posin' nude... I mean, that gal is hot... Dumb as a box of creek rocks... But hot... B;~) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Paul for President. From: akenaton Date: 12 Sep 13 - 03:01 AM "Clever" politicians are not usually a benefit to those they are meant to represent. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Paul for President. From: akenaton Date: 12 Sep 13 - 03:10 AM Mr Obama for example, gives the impression of being an intelligent reasonable man, but when the chips are down he quickly reverts to type, as in his response to the current crisis in Syria. How big a brain does it take to propose an illegal military strike on an ally of two of the most powerful nuclear nations on Earth? Against our own long term interests? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Paul for President. From: akenaton Date: 12 Sep 13 - 03:17 AM Unless of course, you consider the Middle East in ruins and ungovernable, a permanent state of Cold War between East and West, to BE in your interests? This scenario would solve many problems for "Boss Hog" and his friends. |
