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Subject: BS: Working after 65 is good... From: SINSULL Date: 15 Jul 13 - 01:10 PM not just for the income but for your mental health. http://www.nbcnews.com/health/delaying-retirement-can-delay-dementia-large-study-finds-6C10637029 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Working after 65 is good... From: number 6 Date: 15 Jul 13 - 01:26 PM It is good if firms would hire you at that age. biLL |
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Subject: RE: BS: Working after 65 is good... From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 15 Jul 13 - 01:36 PM I quit at 58. Too many other things to do, now 32 years away from 9-5. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Working after 65 is good... From: GUEST,Eliza Date: 15 Jul 13 - 01:37 PM I do a little work cleaning, which I find very tiring. I suppose it may be good for my health, but I doubt it. I have doubts too that anything can stave off dementia. The brain will be affected whatever you do or don't do. Recent studies in, I think, Sweden, showed that actually doing crosswords and exercising the brain changed nothing among the experimental subjects. Some got dementia, others didn't. In fact, they still haven't a clue why some people have Alzheimer's or other forms of the disease yet other folk are free of it right to the end. I suspect that folks who feel strong enough to continue working are genetically disposed to a long and non-senile life! But the money - well, it's very welcome, but of course taxed like any income. Grr! (I might add that us 'oldies' are very reliable, punctual and conscientious at work. We don't go out clubbing half the night and get drunk, and the post-War years instilled in us a firm work ethic!) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Working after 65 is good... From: Elmore Date: 15 Jul 13 - 01:43 PM Not my idea of a good time. We've been able to travel, spend time with the kids, read all the books we said we'd read. Take classes, discover opera and much,much more. If these pleasures affect my brain in a negative fashion, bring it on. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Working after 65 is good... From: GUEST,Eliza Date: 15 Jul 13 - 01:46 PM Quite right Elmore. When I first retired I travelled all over the place and had a whale of a time. In fact, maybe I SHOULD go clubbing and get drunk, and to hell with my 'work ethic'! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Working after 65 is good... From: sciencegeek Date: 15 Jul 13 - 01:59 PM depends... working at a job you dislike is no good either... I plan to "retire" next year... and do the myriad things I haven't been able to because of my "job" - the one with the pension & health insurance. I still plan to keep up the farm.. and actually be able to spend the necessary time to do things when they need doing, not hoping for time after work or on weekends to try & catch up. the goal should be to keep active and alert... not be a couch potato |
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Subject: RE: BS: Working after 65 is good... From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 15 Jul 13 - 02:24 PM I enjoyed my work (in research), but like sciencegeek and Eliza, other things call. "Retirement" doesn't mean that work (of the pleasurable type) stops. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Working after 65 is good... From: akenaton Date: 15 Jul 13 - 03:10 PM With many, work gives purpose, I've seen lots of friends retire, only to become lost and a bit depressed, especially those who haven't developed many interests outside of their work. I think hobbies. sports(not too strenuous) and other activites like going to concerts, writing or painting classes should be started well before retiral....to break the bond. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Working after 65 is good... From: Will Fly Date: 15 Jul 13 - 03:27 PM I liked my day job on the whole - civilised, reasonably well paid and secure. But, around 2 years before I retired from it at 65, I was keen to go - 47 years of work was enough. I've enjoyed every day of my retirement - now almost 4 years - and keep physically and mentally active. I play regular gigs every week, arrange music, teach the guitar, rehearse, go to session, read, do my family tree, keep up my photography, do occasional stints as a steward at a windmill. So - keeping busy after 65 is good - but not necessarily working in a conventional job. In that sense, I shall never work again. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Working after 65 is good... From: Elmore Date: 15 Jul 13 - 04:15 PM Liked my job just fine, but 38 years of almost anything is enough. Of course, if I were like the aged Pete Seeger, or the elderly Leonard Cohen, jumping around and having a helluva time, that might be a different story. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Working after 65 is good... From: akenaton Date: 15 Jul 13 - 05:02 PM Yes thats it, most of my friends were manual workers like myself, they were defined by their jobs....Jock the woodcutter, Bill the roadman, Ewan the shepherd. Their work was what they were, and without it they had no purpose. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Working after 65 is good... From: GUEST,Shimrod Date: 15 Jul 13 - 05:56 PM I got made redundo at the age of 57. I will be 65 at the end of this month. So for 8 years I've been FREEEE!! Luckily, as a result of an occupational pension, I've got enough money for my needs. I feel like a millionaire, though, because I've got lots of time to do the things that I want to do, when I want to do them. Things like writing reports and articles on local wildlife, running botanical surveys, walking, gardening and travelling around for FREEEE on my bus pass. On those rare days when I find myself at loose end, or the weather's not too good, I've even been known to jump on a bus, that I've not travelled on before, just to see where it goes. I suppose that this is a bit pathetic but there's still something quite liberating about idly gazing out of a bus window on a mid-week afternoon - when lots of other poor bastards are slaving away at work. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Working after 65 is good... From: JennieG Date: 15 Jul 13 - 06:47 PM I was only too glad to hang up my work clothes......left school early, started work at 15, so had been working for a bloody long time. Also married (twice) and brought up two children during my working years, and that can be a full time job in itself especially when one child has some health issues. The last 25 years were spent working in various high school libraries, and by the time I decided to retire I was well and truly over teenagers. I haven't regretted the past four and a half years at all! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Working after 65 is good... From: Ron Davies Date: 15 Jul 13 - 10:11 PM Memorizing songs and singing them all over the place can also combat dementia--as well as making you feel good. Almost as much as belonging to a good choral group--i.e. one that demands your attention and stretches you musically. Continuing to learn languages can combat dementia. Just continuing to have a lively curiosity and reading constantly (non-fiction) can combat dementia. Probably any regular activity which requires social interaction--as opposed to internet interaction-- can be useful. I imagine that picking your parents carefully can also help. It's possible that continuing to work at your regular job can be helpful--but unless you really love the job, there are substantial downsides. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Working after 65 is good... From: Janie Date: 15 Jul 13 - 11:54 PM Thanks Sins. Like you and like many, many people, I'm gonna have to work absolutely as long as I can to stave off 3 meals a day of dog food. And not for lack of planning on my part. Simply the impossible to fore-see circumstances of life. I appreciate any bit of news or perspective that focuses on the positives and offers food for thought regarding the positives. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Working after 65 is good... From: Rumncoke Date: 16 Jul 13 - 05:02 AM Cat food is a better bet - they are a lot more discerning than dogs. Since I became officially retired I have been busier than ever, so staying away from the pet food shelves. The bus pass is so useful though - I tend to use it for fairly long trips and very short ones rather than use the car or walk just that bit too far. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Working after 65 is good... From: Dave Sutherland Date: 16 Jul 13 - 07:36 AM When I told a work colleague who was well past retirement age that I intended working on past 65 (last April) he informed me that it would be the best thing that I could do as I would never work in a more relaxed atmosphere. Three months down the line and he has buggered off and I'm still waiting for the relaxed atmosphere! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Working after 65 is good... From: Mr Red Date: 16 Jul 13 - 08:50 AM Crosswords, Ceilidh Dancing (or Contra), a regime that gets you up in the morning. They all stave of dementia. As far as we know there is little cure, but given its progress holding it back that bit longer can only be a good thing. That's what I was told, if I remember correctly. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Working after 65 is good... From: Phil Cooper Date: 16 Jul 13 - 09:23 AM Susan and I liked our day jobs, but the commute was getting to her and I "didn't want to die in office." We moved to the UP where the cost of living is lower and plan to do other less stressful things. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Working after 65 is good... From: leeneia Date: 16 Jul 13 - 11:56 AM "Working after 65 is good..." That's a blanket statement. It depends on the person and on the job. My father worked steadily from age 18 to 65. As he approached 65, he would sit at family parties, his complexion gray. He sat silently, hardly seeming to notice what was going on and rarely speaking. When he retired, he returned to life. Had hobbies, did a little part-time work, helped his church. The gray complexion turned rosier. He lived to 82 and enjoyed it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Working after 65 is good... From: Joe_F Date: 16 Jul 13 - 01:00 PM I'm a freelance copyeditor (work at home), and at 75 I still do a few hours a week. I don't actually need the money, and it's not a socially useful job, but it helps amuse me. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Working after 65 is good... From: Phil Cooper Date: 16 Jul 13 - 02:13 PM Our acupuncturist/chiropractor friend said my face looked more relaxed since we retired. Not getting up at 4:00 am after four and a half hours sleep after 28 years might have made a difference. I don't plan on stopping being active, we're still busy with our musical lives. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Working after 65 is good... From: SINSULL Date: 16 Jul 13 - 07:26 PM Beyond strange - I was called into the high honcho's office this afternoon (never a good thing). I sat down and was told "I brought you here to thank you." Apparently I am well thought of throughout the company, was given a raise on the spot and a new compensation plan. There has been a wage freeze for two years. I won't go into details but I was singled out for doing what I have always thought was my job. Companies need to look long and hard ast their senior applicants and how they can affect both the bottom line and morale in general. Good on me! As I went to the meeting I told my co-workers that if I came back with an empty box, it wouldn't be good. Picked one up at Tech Services and tried to get it to my desk with out laughing. They were genuinely concerned. SINS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Working after 65 is good... From: JennieG Date: 17 Jul 13 - 02:06 AM Yay, Sins - goodonya! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Working after 65 is good... From: Richard Bridge Date: 17 Jul 13 - 04:02 AM Giving up working is good if you can afford it! Shedloads of things I could do with my time, although some bits of my work I actively enjoy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Working after 65 is good... From: Ron Davies Date: 17 Jul 13 - 07:32 AM Yes, obviously there are lots of people for whom this is an academic question. So the "downsides" of working are just a bitter joke; they have no choice. But good for you Sins, at least it turns out you are appreciated in your job--and they know how to express it the right way. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Working after 65 is good... From: selby Date: 17 Jul 13 - 08:04 AM Depends what you do as a job, I worked in heavy industry and at 60 i had had enough, so retired, fantastic best decision every made. I now feel good not tired all the time brain works better (i think so anyway) plus happiness levels high Keith |
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Subject: RE: BS: Working after 65 is good... From: jacqui.c Date: 17 Jul 13 - 01:53 PM Good for you Sins - you deserved that. I retired when I moved to the USA to marry Kendall. I have enough interests to keep me busy and don't miss working at all. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Working after 65 is good... From: GUEST,Eliza Date: 17 Jul 13 - 02:55 PM It's sometimes said that people over retirement age who continue to work are taking jobs away from young unemployed hopefuls. It's felt we should step aside, getting rid of the 'dead wood' and let the young have their turn. I have mixed feelings about this. Any comments? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Working after 65 is good... From: Ebbie Date: 17 Jul 13 - 03:30 PM I too am retired, and except for a couple of years here and there, have been for 16 years. What I've found - for myself- is that I need some structure in my life. If I don't have a function of some sort the days just melt away and I get more and more dissatisfied. So, volunteering in various capacities does it for me. If I need to 'watch the clock' in order to get somewhere on time, for me that's good. As it is currently, Saturday is the one day I have nothing scheduled and I love it. Take a couple of naps, wander around with my dog, spend hours on the computer, finish books; it is my day off. (Even though my volunteers hours aren't long- generally not more than 2 to 4 hours in a day; the point is that I have made a commitment to be there.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Working after 65 is good... From: sciencegeek Date: 17 Jul 13 - 03:50 PM there is always a need for volunteers... especially with less and less funding available for not-for-profits. I've known too many folks who retired and now have to work to make ends meet because their pensions were not as secure as they once were. That said, if you can make do with what you have and need "something to do", then volunteer or find another outlet instead of being one more out there in the job market. Of course, the cushy well (or overly well) paid jobs in the private sector are often given to friends & family members before anyone from the "outside" gets a chance at them. The 1 percenters know very well how to take care of their own. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Working after 65 is good... From: SINSULL Date: 17 Jul 13 - 06:58 PM STructure falls to pieces when I am unemployed. I turn night into day, sleep from 3 or 4AM to 1 or 2 PM, screw around usually at a computer and head to bed in the wee hours. I suspect I will always work just to keep me healthy at least part time. My current health plan is exceptional for an over 60. It would be hard to walk away but I have always thought that mental health takes precedence. I would leave in a heartbeat if I found myself hating to go to work in the AM. The young men I work with are very irreverent and respectful. We enjoy each other. I am very lucky. As for a younger person wanting my job - it would only be as a stepping stone into commission sales. No one wants my job LOL except me. SINS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Working after 65 is good... From: Ebbie Date: 18 Jul 13 - 03:20 AM Sounds great, Sins! I can't imagine willingly retiring unless my plans just cannot wait any longer. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Working after 65 is good... From: GUEST,Shimrod Date: 18 Jul 13 - 05:00 AM "It's felt we should step aside, getting rid of the 'dead wood' and let the young have their turn." There's something in that, Eliza. Except, I can't help thinking that there's something wrong with a society that is willing to casually throw away hard-won knowledge and experience. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Working after 65 is good... From: GUEST,Eliza Date: 18 Jul 13 - 05:31 AM I wonder if (just a mad idea) a scheme could be devised whereby a young, new 'recruit' could work alongside a much older, past-retirement-age employee and learn the ropes under their tutelage. They could job-share for a limited period (say 6 months) then the older worker may step aside, or take on another youngster. They could each be paid slightly less than is usual, which would give the oldster meaningful occupation and the young one would be glad enough for pay and experience. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Working after 65 is good... From: akenaton Date: 18 Jul 13 - 05:37 AM There was never any doubt that the legislation would be passed due in large part to political expediency. As I have said many times we are now ruled by an unthinking raucus media and as Hawk has said, simple bullying by egomaniacs with a taste for mob power. However, the facts remain, the legislation is bad, like many other pieces of legislation brough forward over the last decade and a large number of people in the UK are of this opinion. We shall see if the UK legislation can influence male homosexuals to be behave more responsibly and bring down the infection rates for sexually transmitted disease, which are at epidemic proportions, but Ah hae ma doots! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Working after 65 is good... From: GUEST Date: 18 Jul 13 - 04:04 PM As a person in my 60's still working I have a mixed attitude. I am lucky both to have a skill in high demand and the health to do it. My son in his mid 20's, in the west of Ireland, has had next to no work for almost 2 years, despite a healthy work ethic. His problem is shared by many in the EEC, the unemployment rate among the young is far too high. My initial skills were acquired at his age in a very different economic environment when career options were far far greater than now. A period of time mentoring young people, prior to full retirement, would seem to offer a partial solution to unemployment among the young. I have mentored in the past and to see the transition and progression of the mentored person is very satisfying. I would have no problem with my income being cut in order to train others, but I also realize that this is a situation that not all are fortunate enough to be in. It is a sad world where the younger generation are denied many of the oppportunities that my generation enjoyed. That is not the march of human progress that I was educated to believe in. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Working after 65 is good... From: Ebbie Date: 18 Jul 13 - 05:04 PM akenaton - PM Date: 18 Jul 13 - 05:37 AM Wrong thead, ake? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Working after 65 is good... From: Richard Bridge Date: 19 Jul 13 - 04:35 AM While Ake is about I will say that the problem is not about the old displacing the young. The more economically active people there are the more money there is to go round - and create more jobs. The problem is capitalism and selfishness, which both require a pool of biddable labour (translation, desperate people) and use the resulting power imbalance so that the rich can steal from the poor. |
