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Subject: BS: No crappy gun thread in a while, so... From: gnu Date: 06 Jul 13 - 07:08 PM Have fun with this... and... this is my last post to this thread. I ain't even gonna open it again. Just gonna say one more time... there are good gun laws and there are bad gun laws. I consider this looting. Calgary Sun, 2013.07.06 : The gun story is not going away just yet. An independent watchdog overseeing the RCMP is now investigating what we're told by the cops last week is no big deal. Yes, last week the critics of the RCMP entering homes and seizing guns in the near-ghost town of High River are tarred with the usual brush — nasty loons, gun nuts, wearers of tinfoil hats tilting at windmills of conspiracy. Then Friday we learn of this look-see. Watchdog Ian McPhail of the Commission for Public Complaints Against the RCMP points to "concerns expressed by some members of the public" and "ensuing media coverage." He adds "the prime minister's office equally and publicly expressed concern." McPhail kicks off a "public interest investigation" expected to last 90 days with a report to follow. He will look at whether the entering of homes and the seizing of firearms from homes went against any laws or RCMP policies. He will also review whether those RCMP policies are up to snuff. McPhail acknowledges RCMP Commissioner Bob Paulson's "support for an independent review of RCMP actions in High River." On Friday, Paulson writes McPhail asking him to investigate the seizing of guns from High River homes after those homes had been evacuated on orders of the government. The RCMP top gun is "quite concerned" by the "sharp criticism" of the media. Such hammering in the press is "quite troubling" to him and he figures it must be troubling to "many Canadians who wonder what was going on in High River." He does not say police conduct troubles him. In fact and of course it doesn't. Only the damn media coverage does. Paulson pledges full co-operation and complete information. Well, there's one thing you don't need Sherlock Holmes to tell you. Communications, at the very least, was awe-inspiringly awful. A little over a week ago, with the mercury rising in High River and standoffs between citizens and cops, we hear the Mounties scoop "a large quantity of firearms" from the town, at a time when only a very small group of holdouts live there even after being demonized by the authorities. The cops hold detailed briefings with newshounds but never mention the hauling away of the guns, something you'd think would be kind of important news. When the cops finally go public and mention "several hundred firearms secured for public safety reasons" questions are naturally raised. Why wasn't the public informed through the press or otherwise? RCMP answer. It never came up in questions. It was "not remarkable" since they seize dozens if not hundreds of guns in other cases. Again, as stated last week in this space, those seizures are from bad guys. The Mounties tell us people moved their guns from safe storage to a higher spot in their flooding house. The cops also tell us they only took guns "in plain view." Though we hear murmurs saying the number of guns seized is well over 1,000 the cops insist it is several hundred but won't be more specific. This week Mounties began giving the guns back. The prime minister's office in a what-the-hell-were-you-thinking comment tells the Mounties they should "focus on more important tasks such as protecting lives and private property." Premier Redford, at the other end, spoke of "dangerous things happening" and said the RCMP had to ensure there was law and order. People are plainly peeved and you can't go far in High River without hearing the resentment and talk of cops kicking in doors and rummaging through houses. Wildrose leader Danielle Smith, MLA for the High River area and a High River resident, says the police "aggravated an already tense and stressful situation." "These sorts of actions damage the trust residents have for their leaders and will make future disaster situations more difficult to manage effectively." Smith says the Mounties "have a lot to answer for." She is gathering her own information from her High River constituents and she wants to know how many guns were secured at the request of gun owners and how many were not. It is her understanding houses were entered to look for people and then for building inspections and then a third time "just to get the guns." Jonathan Denis, the province's top cop and justice minister, says when he saw gun after gun after gun coming into the RCMP detachment in High River it "raised an eyebrow with me." He gives credit to the RCMP for requesting a probe. And wherever this bouncing ball lands, at least we have their attention. That's a whole lot more than a week ago. |
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Subject: RE: BS: No crappy gun thread in a while, so... From: Rapparee Date: 06 Jul 13 - 09:05 PM How to make a bad situation worse. Something about shooting yourself in the foot. Bye. |
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Subject: RE: BS: No crappy gun thread in a while, so... From: Little Hawk Date: 07 Jul 13 - 12:41 AM Chongo saw this, said "Oh, crap! Not again!!!", and went off to the local firing range to practice with his Model 1911 pistol, which is how he usually relaxes on Saturday afternoons. |
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Subject: RE: BS: No crappy gun thread in a while, so... From: Greg F. Date: 07 Jul 13 - 09:52 AM "Taint enough in what you posted, gnu, for those who haven't been following the story from the start to know what did or didn't happen. Looks like a clusterfuck, I dunno about "looting". |
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Subject: RE: BS: No crappy gun thread in a while, so... From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 07 Jul 13 - 05:44 PM I suspect gnu might have got more people to read that if instead of a lengthy cut-and-paste he'd put a link and a succinct summary of why he thought it significant... |
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Subject: RE: BS: No crappy gun thread in a while, so... From: Rapparee Date: 07 Jul 13 - 06:02 PM No wonder Chong can't shoot worth sh*t -- the M1911 has a lousy hand-to-barrel angle. He should use the M1911A1. |
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Subject: RE: BS: No crappy gun thread in a while, so... From: bobad Date: 07 Jul 13 - 06:51 PM From what I gather, the Mounties took guns that were not secured from dwellings that were abandoned to the flood waters. They did that to prevent them from being possibly stolen by opportunists with criminal intent. They fully intended to restore them to their rightful owners once the houses were re-occupied by their owners. This appears to be an American "Tea Party" type of over reaction by typically right wing Albertans who like to pretend that they are cowboys living in the wild west. |
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Subject: RE: BS: No crappy gun thread in a while, so... From: GUEST Date: 07 Jul 13 - 08:06 PM Well said, bobad. |
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Subject: RE: BS: No crappy gun thread in a while, so... From: Midchuck Date: 07 Jul 13 - 08:39 PM I don't get it! After all the talk about how there weren't any guns in Canada because the people were so much more virtuous than US people that they didn't want or need any.... P. |
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Subject: RE: BS: No crappy gun thread in a while, so... From: Rapparee Date: 07 Jul 13 - 08:46 PM I can think of no country in the world where some firearms are not held by the people living there, or where they are not available to anyone willing to pay. |
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Subject: RE: BS: No crappy gun thread in a while, so... From: GUEST Date: 07 Jul 13 - 09:12 PM Just one of many over-reported news stories of an over-reaction and little reasonable content. |
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Subject: RE: BS: No crappy gun thread in a while, so... From: olddude Date: 08 Jul 13 - 06:27 PM Well I know of a lot of crappy guns, most of them made in China ... some of the Saturday night specials are just bad, blow back mechanisms. Get yourself a Colt, S&W, Glock, Kimble, sig Sauer. All outstanding weapons |
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Subject: RE: BS: No crappy gun thread in a while, so... From: GUEST,Ed T Date: 08 Jul 13 - 06:35 PM Are crappy guns purchased at crappy tire? |
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Subject: RE: BS: No crappy gun thread in a while, so... From: Rapparee Date: 08 Jul 13 - 09:41 PM "...blow back mechanisms...." The venerable (and quite efficient) M1911A1 is straight blowback. So was the Luger and the Tommy gun. So, as far as I know, are all .22s, the Walther P38, all 9mm Short, all 7.65mm pistols (FN 10/22, Makarov, HK, etc.), all models of the PPSh, and a lot of others. There is no problem with straight blowback, anymore than there is with delayed blowback or bleed-off piston operation. It's in the manufacturing quality, not in the mechanism itself. Tsk, tsk, tsk. You should know that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: No crappy gun thread in a while, so... From: Midchuck Date: 09 Jul 13 - 09:13 PM I may be an old f***, but I still like a double action revolver. Six shots you can count on is better than a couple, then a jam that your assailant won't be courteous enough to wait while you clear so you can fire the other thirteen. P. |
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Subject: RE: BS: No crappy gun thread in a while, so... From: Rapparee Date: 09 Jul 13 - 10:58 PM Excuse me, I use SINGLE action revolvers. |
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Subject: RE: BS: No crappy gun thread in a while, so... From: Pete Jennings Date: 10 Jul 13 - 06:45 AM So what's the difference between a single action revolver and a double action revolver? Pete (who knows sfa about hand guns) |
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Subject: RE: BS: No crappy gun thread in a while, so... From: Greg F. Date: 10 Jul 13 - 09:39 AM Single-shot the hammer has to be cocked manually for every shot (and to revolve the cylinder) before pulling trigger, double action pulling the trigger will raise the hammer, revolve the cylinder & fire the shot. Most double actions can also be manually cocked. |
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Subject: RE: BS: No crappy gun thread in a while, so... From: Bill D Date: 10 Jul 13 - 10:36 AM Amazing how the aficionados quickly transform a crappy thread about guns ....to a thread about crappy guns.... and thence to a thread about NON-crappy guns. |
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Subject: RE: BS: No crappy gun thread in a while, so... From: Rapparee Date: 10 Jul 13 - 11:00 AM No, we didn't discuss brands. I'd discussing how crappy guns work. Except for two, both .22 caliber target weapons, I can't afford anything except crappy guns. The target weapons are both Olympic standard; the rifle takes one bullet at a time and the pistol a magazine that will hold 10 but in which you only load 5. THESE are finely made precision target weapons and are most definitely NOT something I could afford if I had to buy them today (one was a gift). Believe me, at $3,000 for the pistol and about $2,500 for the rifle, I couldn't. These are used in target competition ONLY. I can't afford to lose either one. |
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Subject: RE: BS: No crappy gun thread in a while, so... From: Pete Jennings Date: 11 Jul 13 - 07:09 AM Thanks, Greg. |
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Subject: RE: BS: No crappy gun thread in a while, so... From: GUEST,olddude Date: 12 Jul 13 - 12:54 AM No Rap, the 1911 and all the other high quality auto's do not use simple blowback, the operations works by blowback but only when the gas pressure is at a safe level, that is they are pressure sensitive. A saturday night special does not compensate for pressure release and is blowback in the simplest and most unreliable form. |
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Subject: RE: BS: No crappy gun thread in a while, so... From: GUEST,olddude Date: 12 Jul 13 - 01:00 AM also there are far fewer jams on high quality auto's across a wide variety of ammo because the gas pressure is consistent , the engineering is also much more expensive hence the price. a saturday night special just uses simple blowback, gas is not compensated by the receiver hence one type of ammo works another jams up, stove pipes out the ass or the receiver ends up in your face with hot loads |
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Subject: RE: BS: No crappy gun thread in a while, so... From: GUEST Date: 12 Jul 13 - 01:20 AM At the end of the firing phase, the bullet exits the muzzle and drops gas pressure inside the barrel. Bullet departure breaks the balanced thrust vector established when the bullet was in the barrel. In terms of the effect on the pistol, this action enables the top locking lugs to horizontally disengage and imparts a rearward force on the slide assembly equal to the inertia of the departing bullet. Then, because the slide assembly has a greater relative rest mass -plus the added benefit of the recoil spring- inertial energy is absorbed as the slide recoils to the rear. |
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Subject: RE: BS: No crappy gun thread in a while, so... From: GUEST,olddude Date: 12 Jul 13 - 01:20 AM sorry guest was me |
