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Subject: BS: Survival Supplies From: JohnInKansas Date: 01 Jul 13 - 08:46 PM I'm quite sure that there was a rather extensive thread on "what supplies do you keep for emergencies" or something like that, but I've tried every search term I can think of in the filter with no hits, and I've gone back through my own most recent 5,000 posts without finding it (or them?). The comment I hoped to add was that I found a rather surprising product at "Sam's Club" a couple of days ago: AUGUSON FARMS 30 DAY EMERGENCY KIT 22 LBS 14.97 OZ PAIL Food for 1 person for 30 days 25 Year Storage Life (Unopened) (Seasonal Item) $97.88 A web search for "Auguson Farms" found only Sams, Costco, Walmart, and (part of the time) Amazon spelling it that way, with all other "hits" calling it Augason Farms; but it appears that in some markets they are well known for "survival kits" of the kind at Sams, and also for "freeze dried entrees" in smaller packages for campers et. al. One post raved about "the delicious 5 gallons of honey coated freeze dried bananas" from Augason ... I didn't find a "home site" for this company(?) or any indication of a "product catalog," but there appear to be enough people who have heard of them for at least some to be "impressed." Does anyone know who/where/why they are and what sorts of things they offer? (This could be moved to the previous thread, since there was significant comment there on related subjects - - - but I couldn't find it. Or perhaps the "social climate" has changed enough to merit a new discussion(?).) And perhaps by now someone has some fresh ideas. John |
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Subject: RE: BS: Survival Supplies From: Rapparee Date: 01 Jul 13 - 09:08 PM John, We keep enough stuff in the house for two people for 72 hours (not counting stuff like canned soups and other things that might be in the kitchen cabinets, freezer, etc.). We live in an active seismic area (Yellowstone), and can get hit with everything EXCEPT hurricanes and tsunamis (well, the town IS at 4,400 feet). The stock is rotated regularly. We just buy Mountain House "meals for two", some canned beef stew, stuff like that. I don't see any need for a supply that would last 25 years -- I'd be at least 93 when it expired. Water -- we have some bottled water and I just bought a "squeeze filter" for less than $30 at Walmart. It's good for many, many gallons because you can flush the filter element out with some of the water you've filtered. I'd add a drop of chlorine bleach to be sure. Several of the stores here sell such long-term products, but I'm in territory that's heavily LDS. I mentioned Yellowstone -- if it blows, I can't stop it and it's unlikely I'd survive it. If the past is any indication, you probably wouldn't survive it either...and our friends on the other side of the globe (side to side or top to bottom) would have a bad time of it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Survival Supplies From: Songwronger Date: 01 Jul 13 - 09:36 PM We have at least 2 years worth of stored food, a mixture of all kinds of stuff. We do mylar vacuum packing, use foods with long term or indefinite shelf lives and so on. The Augason Farms packs look like a painless way to lay in a supply of food. http://www.augasonfarms.com/30-Day-Food-Storage-Emergency-All-in-One6-Gallon-Pail-UPC-78716-20095 Another way to go is just to buy individual items. The page below has some good advice: http://www.angelfire.com/biz/setpa/CGM/FOOD.htm $100 should buy quite a bit of food. Food, vitamins and a way to filter water and you're in good shape. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Survival Supplies From: ChanteyLass Date: 01 Jul 13 - 09:37 PM I googled Augason Farms location and came up with this: http://www.augasonfarms.com/index.php?route=information/contact I was not surprised to find the business is located in Salt Lake City, Utah. Aren't Latter Day Saints supposed to keep a year's supply of food on hand? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Survival Supplies From: JohnInKansas Date: 01 Jul 13 - 09:55 PM The LDS do claim to make a practice of keeping "reserves" at hand, although I don't know how universally it's practiced. A recent report mentioned that the Yellowstone Caldera has popped its cork on a schedule of about once every five hundred million years, but it's 50 million years late for the next scheduled one. (Don't quote me on the times, since I wasn't really paying attention.) I am sure it will be impressive, so I've got a comfy chair on the patio facing that direction so I won't miss it. I plan on watching right up to the end ... if it comes before something else gets me. It has seemed that few people in my area have been at all interested in "survivalist" stuff for quite some time - after scant excitement a couple of years ago - so it seemed a little incongruous that Sams would be putting these out for sale here. There are some campers/hikers/bicyclists who might be interested in their smaller packages, if they really do have stuff of that sort; but even tornado shelters haven't been selling very well here recently. John |
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Subject: RE: BS: Survival Supplies From: Bobert Date: 01 Jul 13 - 10:00 PM Couple cases of Iron City Beer and a Holiday Inn Express works just fine for me... Oh, and a few numbers for folks who deliver food... And my geetar... The P-Vine, of course... What else??? Hmmmmm... No, I think that'll get me thru the first couple weeks... Then things might get a little testy??? B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Survival Supplies From: maeve Date: 02 Jul 13 - 07:14 AM Here's the earlier thread, John. Long-term Food Storage |
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Subject: RE: BS: Survival Supplies From: Dave Hanson Date: 02 Jul 13 - 08:23 AM Load of wimps. Dave H |
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Subject: RE: BS: Survival Supplies From: GUEST,Shimrod Date: 02 Jul 13 - 09:41 AM If you've read Cormac McCarthy's novel, 'The Road' (or seen the film) you'll know that the best way to survive the Apocalypse will be to resort to cannibalism. You'll probably be able to hang on for quite a while until the 'ambulatory snacks' run out - or one of them decides to snack on you! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Survival Supplies From: Rapparee Date: 02 Jul 13 - 09:47 AM My brother has it right -- if you are truly preparing for The End Of What Passes For Civilization As We Know It, forget guns and things. Learn to purify water without external aids, build a fire without matches, learn archery, and lay in a supply of old-fashioned seeds that will actually produce viable seeds. A garden is an easier source of food than chasing down animals. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Survival Supplies From: Richard Bridge Date: 02 Jul 13 - 02:21 PM Killing animals may well be quicker than waiting for seeds to grow. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Survival Supplies From: Rapparee Date: 02 Jul 13 - 02:55 PM As may be, but one is a continuous food supply that can be readily stored. Note that he also advocates archery...that's not for sport. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Survival Supplies From: Rapparee Date: 02 Jul 13 - 03:00 PM He also suggests (and can use well) both a sling and an atl-atl. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Survival Supplies From: olddude Date: 02 Jul 13 - 03:43 PM Naw, I keep a .308 then I can get all the food I need |
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Subject: RE: BS: Survival Supplies From: gnu Date: 02 Jul 13 - 05:06 PM I have enough grub for two for five years. Sound crazy? To some, I suppose it does but if one does the math... rice, oats, beans, peas ad infinitum... purchased at the right time of year and stored in mason jars purchased at the right time of year. Canned goods purchased at the right time of year... that crap best before date on cans that also are sold to the USE military that show the cans are good for twos years????... the US military requires a standard 40 year shelf life. Now... if anyone still thinks this sounds crazy, here is the math... the average price of canned goods, which I rotate on a two to three year basis), dry goods and meat (which I store at -19C for up to two years) has tripled in two years. My spreadsheet shows that in the past three years alone I have saved well over $10,000 EVEN IF prices do not rise a penny over the next five years. Sound crazy now? It's not "survival". It's investing wisely. Any banks offering you at least a 30% nominal interest rate? And, BTW... ya can't eat money... especially if ya don't have any. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Survival Supplies From: Greg F. Date: 02 Jul 13 - 06:16 PM We have at least 2 years worth of stored food You expecting armageddon and the race wars to start soon, ShitWringer, or is it an imminent collision with an asteroid? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Survival Supplies From: Rapparee Date: 02 Jul 13 - 07:06 PM If we were to take all of the food from the cabinets, preserve the foods currently in the freezer (e.g., dry the meat), and pile it all together we could probably go for six to eight months without more rations. That's assuming we lived moderately. We could stretch it to a year on perhaps 3/4 rations. olddude, you know I have firearms. I figger that every joker and jerk for miles around would be out there trying to shoot an elk or a deer and mostly nailing somebody else and/or taking what someone else has shot. Me, I'd go out for the "second season." I look at it this way: if things REALLY REALLY REALLY fall apart -- complete societal collapse -- I'll just go back to my peasant/viking roots. I don't expect that, and I doubt that I'd live through it if it happened. But then, you'd never know if I did or not and I wouldn't know if you did. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Survival Supplies From: Bill D Date: 02 Jul 13 - 07:23 PM if things REALLY REALLY REALLY fall apart -- complete societal collapse ... I don't care to BE a survivor in that world. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Survival Supplies From: Songwronger Date: 02 Jul 13 - 07:29 PM A worthwhile read: http://www.tacticalintelligence.net/blog/shtf-survival-qa-a-first-hand-account.htm "In this compendium, (Bosnian) Selco describes what it was like living in a city for a year without power, fuel, running water, food distribution or any semblance of traditional commerce. Their currency was useless, there were no police forces or government, and the streets were ruled by gangs and violence. The survival strategies that he, his family, and community used to stay alive are eye-opening and may change some of the priorities that you have when it comes to preparing for a SHTF scenario where you live. Although it's long read, I highly recommend it given the wealth of knowledge taken from someone who's lived it." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Survival Supplies From: Greg F. Date: 02 Jul 13 - 08:29 PM OK, ShitWringer: And when exactly is the US going to be without power, fuel, running water, food distribution or any semblance of traditional commerce - and why? Please elaborate & be specific. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Survival Supplies From: Jack the Sailor Date: 02 Jul 13 - 09:10 PM Bill D, I think that you live in about the worse place in the US to survive a collapse of any kind I can think of. Suburban DC is one of the most densely populated and target rich areas of the world. The food and fuel for purchase would run out in minutes with little chance of resupply. In case of zombies, you would be met with wave after wave of starving living dead form the North East, starting with Baltimore, ending with Portland Maine. From the South and Midwest would be hordes of Tea Party Zombies blaming Washington for whatever happened whether it be plague, Nuclear Holocaust, or super volcano. YOU WOULD HAVE ZERO CHANCE OF ESCAPE!! I just came from DC today and it is hard enough to get around when things are functioning as they are supposed to. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Survival Supplies From: Rapparee Date: 02 Jul 13 - 09:51 PM Well, Bill D., I kinda agree with you. And I don't live in a highly populated area -- in fact, it's pretty UNpopulated. Of course, there are an awful lot of things that COULD happen that would wipe out not only the extant society, but human life in general. If Yellowstone blows (and it's overdue), if an asteroid hits the Earth, if a massive earthquake hits, or a tornado takes out my home while I'm there, if a wildfire sets fire to my home and I can't get out -- well, I can't worry about things I can't do anything about. All I, or anyone, can do is to prepare for what I can (to an extent) control. And no, I doubt that hordes of Midwestern Teabaggers would invade the Northeast -- they'd be too busy staying alive themselves. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Survival Supplies From: Jack the Sailor Date: 02 Jul 13 - 09:56 PM Midwestern Teabagger ZOMBIES!!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Survival Supplies From: Rapparee Date: 02 Jul 13 - 11:25 PM Throw some salt in their mouths and they die, even if it's only a single grain. See any good study on zombies and voodoo. That's why I'm sending salted potato chips to every member of Congress. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Survival Supplies From: Jack the Sailor Date: 03 Jul 13 - 04:04 AM If you are not going to take this seriously, what is the point? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Survival Supplies From: GUEST Date: 03 Jul 13 - 08:45 AM Purchase a copy of "The SAS Survival Handbook" by Wiseman. Then study it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Survival Supplies From: Rapparee Date: 03 Jul 13 - 09:06 AM Dear GUEST and others: I received my survival training from applying what I'd been taught, not by reading a book (although I have done so). No book substitutes for experience -- it is a only a guide, a menu of suggestions and some of them can get you killed. It's very unlikely you'll have the book with you if the time ever comes when you need to employ what's in it. Worse yet are the "survival" shows on television. The people on them never seem to look for an easier way, such as walking AROUND a mountain instead of climbing a sheer rock face 1,500 feet tall using only a piece of vine and their little fingers. Of course, they do have a camera crew and (probably) an air ambulance standing by. If you want to see how much of a survivalist you really are, have a helicopter drop you in some very remote area (I suggest the Sawtooths, the Salmon Range, or the Bitterroots in late Fall or early Spring) wearing only street clothes and what you have in your pockets (this should come as a surprise to you). The dustoff can come back in a couple of weeks to retrieve your body, if it can be found. Or -- here's a thought! -- try to survive as a penniless, homeless bum in a big city without using the social networks available. Or why not join the SAS and learn it first hand? The US special forces groups have similar programs, as does nearly every military force in the world. AND you'd get paid for it!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Survival Supplies From: Jack the Sailor Date: 03 Jul 13 - 11:55 AM How is being dropped in the desert going to help be decide which freeze dried supplies to buy at Sams? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Survival Supplies From: Charmion Date: 03 Jul 13 - 12:24 PM People spend all kinds of money on freeze-dried foods in case the Apocalypse hits, but don't bother with boring, ordinary measures to prevent far more likely disasters such as floods, house fires and poverty in their old age. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Survival Supplies From: Jack the Sailor Date: 03 Jul 13 - 12:36 PM We have flood insurance and smoke detectors and I keep my oily rag collection in a safety deposit box. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Survival Supplies From: gnu Date: 03 Jul 13 - 02:42 PM Charmion... yup. JtS... "and I keep my oily rag collection in a safety deposit box." That actually did strike me funny. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Survival Supplies From: Rapparee Date: 03 Jul 13 - 03:02 PM My point exactly, Charmion. But the other is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO exotic. You don't NEED sixty years supply of freeze-dried chateaubriand, etc. What you need is a supply of a) water, b) food, c) any necessary medications, d) clothing and blankets sufficient for three or four days. Having been stranded in the snow we keep "winter kits" in each car with stuff that can keep you going for a couple of days. That, the "grab and go" box in case of wildfires (it contains various records, inventories and keys), and a couple changes of underwear and socks are all we really need for any disaster we're likely to be involved in. Oh, and don't forget the toilet paper! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Survival Supplies From: Jack the Sailor Date: 03 Jul 13 - 03:06 PM And the towel. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Survival Supplies From: Jack the Sailor Date: 03 Jul 13 - 03:07 PM Thanks gnu |
