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Subject: Effective non-chemical mosquito control From: Stilly River Sage Date: 12 May 13 - 12:44 PM Many parts of the U.S. have been taking up the fight against mosquitoes carrying West Nile Disease. Unfortunately, the traditional answer they used was to spray toxic chemicals up and down city streets at night. The problem? It didn't hit mosquitoes, it didn't deal with the various stages of mosquitoes, and it tended to harm beneficial insects, wildlife, and humans and their pets. For several years the Dallas landscape architect and organic gardening guru Howard Garrett has argued against these harmful and useless practices, and this year his argument finally has traction. The use of Bacillus thuringiensis 'Israelensis', or Bti, to control mosquitoes at various stages has finally come on the radar of the Dallas, Texas, mosquito prevention folks. It is an exciting time for organic gardening, to show that it not only works, it works better than the chemical approaches. Bti only affects mosquitoes. It gets into the environment and will linger, and studies are beginning to show that it will reproduce and effect successive generations of mosquitoes. Diligence is still required by homeowners and businesses. They can find, drain, and prevent standing water, and they can use Bti products on their own without waiting for a municipal program. Big box stores carry the dunks and may soon carry the Bti liquid. The dunks are small donut shaped pressed discs to drop in water tanks, bird baths, break up and drop into potted plant saucers, etc. They last up to about 30 days. The liquid apparently comes in very large (2.5 gallon) containers so far, much more than homeowners need, but perhaps the marketplace will catch up and offer smaller bottles soon. Howard Garrett mosquito control newsletter. This type of mosquito control is for everyone, not just those who are particularly sensitive to chemicals, strong smells, etc. If you want to find out more about this, follow the link and poke around the Dirt Doctor site, and visit the Library link where you can look up all sorts of information about insect and plant disease control. SRS |
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Subject: RE: Effective non-chemical mosquito control From: GUEST,Eliza Date: 12 May 13 - 02:21 PM This is wonderful news SRS! I'm thinking of the W African countries I've visited and know well. Malaria is a terrible problem over there, killing literally millions of people. If this Bti could work on the type of mosquitoes carrying malaria in Africa, wouldn't it be an utter Godsend! My husband's young brother lost his life to palciform malaria at the age of 15. I expect the Anopheles type is different to yours in USA, but there must be a similar method of approach for using a bacterium. Open water is hard to deal with in Ivory Coast, as there are vast tracts of freshwater 'lagoons' where the wretched things breed. Also, (referring to the newsletter) rubbish DOES lie around as there are no systems in place for clearing it up. And, it rains in great cloudbursts in the rainy season, there's huge puddles everywhere, full of larvae. I've just told my husband about your post and he's really very excited! Thank you for this information. |
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Subject: RE: Effective non-chemical mosquito control From: GUEST,Eliza Date: 12 May 13 - 05:37 PM Have just looked it up, and the name of your West Nile disease-carrying mosquito is Culex pipiens. And I didn't realise that you also have over there the Anopheles mozzie which is the vector for malaria. Another type carries Dengue fever. Nasty little beasts eh? |
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Subject: RE: Effective non-chemical mosquito control From: JohnInKansas Date: 12 May 13 - 05:37 PM In some areas the mosquitos are enough of a problem that "drastic measures" that have harmful side effects are about the only thing that can be done. It's absolutely necessary to balance the harm against the help, but knee-jerk bans aren't always helpful. In one African country they recently distributed lots of mosquito nets to the people so they could have some protection at night when the mosquitos came out. They also continued their regular nightly sprayings, but results were a little less than expected. They learned that when the mosquitos discovered they couldn't find much to nibble on at night (because of the netting) they started getting up in the morning when people got out from under the netting to go to work. Changing the spraying schedule got better results in the number of new malaria cases, and they concluded that both the nets and more appropriate spraying had helped, but only when the two worked together. Some places have used what might look like insecticide spraying but is actually a spray of an oil that resembles a common cooking oil. Mosquito larvae have to come to the water surface to breathe periodically, and even a thin layer of oil prevents them from gulping air. Almost all other aquatic critters can break through a thin layer and are unaffected. The "oils" used in this method are usually biodegradable and disappear fairly soon after application. A problem with this method is that it requries extremely critical timing to get the spraying done at exactly the right phase of the larval development, and very precise control of just how thick a film is created so that it lasts long enough but dissipates fairly soon after it's done its work. It's therefor rather expensive compared to other methods. It also only works well for the "first in a season" crop of mosquitos, since once repeat breeding begins there are too many larvae at different stages of development to get a good fraction of them with a single treatment. Since mosquitos can breed in tall grass if it's wet enough, proper mowing helps. Keeping enough "open space" in taller ornamental plants to allow air circulation under them is also needed. They can breed in a discarded burger wrapper if it rains at the right time, so general cleanup of "trash" is a help, no matter how insignificant a loose bit looks. Farmers have kept a few fish in their stock tanks for a century or more here just to keep the 'skeeters from breeding in them.(Sometimes the selection of kinds of fish is less than optimum since it often is just "anything handy," but almost any fish seems do some good.) During breeding seasons, a bird bath needs to be emptied and refilled frequently. Daily is not too often during the peak of a season. Any "decorative pool" must have appropriate kinds of live fish in it or vigorous aeration and/or circulation that works. Some tropical fish that can't "winter over" in a pool are very good at getting the mosquito larvae, but you'll have to clean the pool when they die and restock every year if you go with them. Whether there are "hardy" kinds depends on the climate where you live. Everybody needs a plan, specific to their own place and time. John |
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Subject: RE: Effective non-chemical mosquito control From: Jack Campin Date: 12 May 13 - 06:27 PM The biggest concentration of mosquitoes I have ever met with was near Yusufeli in north-east Turkey. It was not coincidence that the streams were heaving with frogs - they made as much noise as motorway traffic, all night long. They certainly didn't eliminate the mosquitoes (from a frog's point of view they wouldn't want to, what else would they eat?) but they must have made a heck of a dent in the numbers. |
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Subject: RE: Effective non-chemical mosquito control From: JohnInKansas Date: 13 May 13 - 01:41 AM Frogs generally only eat flying insects, and by the time mosquitos fly they go away from the water to look for warm animals. The frogs may get fat and happy on what they do catch, but they can't really chase them to catch all that many mosquitos. Little fishies that get the larva before they reach flying stage are much more effective, but mosquito larvae are too seasonal to support the fish populations needed to have enough fish for really effective predation of the "burst hatching" that takes place when "mosquito season" arrives, at least in larger wet areas. Some bats are pretty good at getting them after they fly, but again the seasonal appearance doesn't usually get the bats where they're really needed at the right times to do the most good. John |
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Subject: RE: Effective non-chemical mosquito control From: GUEST,Eliza Date: 13 May 13 - 04:45 AM The problem with any plan to keep mozzie numbers down is that it takes only one little bite, just one, and you may have had it. And you always get one or two bites. I've been bitten at noon, in fact at any time of day, to me they didn't seem to be nocturnal. I slept under my net, I had yellow fever immunisation (mozzies are the vector for that too!) and took anti-malarial tablets, but even these don't absolutely guarantee your safety. I did hear that a vaccine is being developed. What a boon that would be! Then the little horrors could bite all they liked and everyone would be safe! |
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Subject: RE: Effective non-chemical mosquito control From: JohnInKansas Date: 13 May 13 - 07:16 AM Possibly the one place trying to do the most for malaria and other diseases that don't have much "modern country support" is the Gates Foundation. I don't know of a recent push on mosquito control other than what's been ongoing, but their website does frequently give some reports on projects with current information on what's being tried and what's having some effect, for a number of problems faced especially by people with too many problems and not enough money. I drop in there occasionally when I get a link to something new, but I'd have to look up one to post here. They shouldn't be hard to find. John |
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Subject: RE: Effective non-chemical mosquito control From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 13 May 13 - 12:10 PM Curious about current control efforts in my city *Calgary, Alberta), this is extracted from their internet article on Mosquitos: 22 species known in Calgary. "Populations .... are monitered by using CO2 traps (illustrated) by City of Calgary Integrated Pest Management (IPM) unit. Mosquitos are controlled by IPM using granular products registered and regulated by the Federal Pest Management Regulatory Agency. These products are applied to standing water both from the ground and aerially and are highly specific to mosquito larvae and having almost no effect on other organisms or the environment." Culex tarsalis is the main virus vector in the Calgary area and control is aimed at this species. The products are not named. No specifics on effects on "other organisms and the environment." |
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Subject: RE: Effective non-chemical mosquito control From: Mrrzy Date: 13 May 13 - 01:59 PM I read something about putting a solution out with yeast, that makes carbon dioxide, in the bottom half of a 2-liter pop bottle with the top half cut off and replaced upside down so it makes a funnel. Tape it all in black, mosquitoes like black, and put it upwind of where you are, they will go for the solution making breathing-out mammal chemicals and get stuck in the bottle. All you need to do is add yeast whenever there are mosquitoes, but I don't recall what the substrate should be, although I should know what yeast makes CO2 from. Sugar water? |
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Subject: RE: Effective non-chemical mosquito control From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 13 May 13 - 04:54 PM Some information on carbon dioxide traps: http://news.ufl.edu/2005/05/19/mosquito-traps/ Not all good news- the skeeters prefer living critters to CO2. |
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Subject: RE: Effective non-chemical mosquito control From: JohnInKansas Date: 13 May 13 - 05:47 PM For keeping the skeeters a little apart from the guests at outdoor parties, some of the "bug lights" are effective, although the area protected isn't all that large. The ones that work mostly have a UV lamp, and with some you can add "odorant" pellets. The larger units also include a "high voltage" grid to zap the bugs that fly in. Sometimes they also trap fairly significant numbers of other bugs that are just "annoying" along with the skeeters. They can make a significant reduction in the bites for a small group, but can't completely eliminate all the pests even in a small area, and of course they don't contribute much to the general control of the bugs. We've used them for "circle jams" in the campground, and have noticed that they're definitely more effective when three or four nearby camps are using them at the same time, although its hard to tell in some cases whether it's all the campfire smoke from the pyromaniacs next door that's doing some of it. John |
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Subject: RE: Effective non-chemical mosquito control From: Donuel Date: 14 May 13 - 10:41 AM I have used those donut thingies for years, particularly in small fountains. Since the invasion of the Zebra mosquito which is so small and fast they pass through normal screens and are hard to swat, I put extra mosquito netting on the existing screens. Black is least visible. |
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Subject: RE: Effective non-chemical mosquito control From: Stilly River Sage Date: 14 May 13 - 10:52 AM Those donut thingies are the Bti I was talking about. There are some small fish that can be put in various bodies of water and they focus on mosquito larvae. Gambusia is a tiny mosquito eating fish that can be grown very easily as the City of Fort Worth and other cities are currently doing. Gambusia should also be made available with proper release instructions and distributed to water features, ponds and creeks across the problem areas. Bti and Gambusia can be used together. I think the main thing about gambusia is that they are very small and they simply become part of the food chain for larger fish, while at the same time tackling the mosquitoes. I need to see about introducing some in the creek in my back yard. SRS |
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Subject: RE: Effective non-chemical mosquito control From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 14 May 13 - 11:53 AM Gambusia affinis and Gambusia holbrooki are the two species of the fish that are introduced into ponds to control mosquitos. There are many species in the genus. They constitute a danger to some local small fish, including Gambusia spp. native to Texas, and to insects that have an aquatic stage. Use extreme care when introducing non-native species, taking care to abide by local regulations and control agencies. |
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Subject: RE: Effective non-chemical mosquito control From: JohnInKansas Date: 14 May 13 - 11:55 AM I don't know how effective they might be on mosquitos, but last spring we had an invasion of gnats and found that the "electronic fly swatters" that look like some kind of weird tennis racquet actually were quite helpful. (I got three of them for camping when they first showed up in our area, for about $2.50 apiece. Apparently they've been popular since the same place now wants $9.50 for one.) With the gnats, there's no satisfying "pop" like when you zap a fly, and it's hard to feel like your actually doing anything, but "sweeping" through a space where the gnats are just sort of made them disappear. No dead bodies, no zaps or sparks, just no more gnats. Done a couple of times a day, we managed to very significantly reduce the population. I suspect they might work about the same with mosquitos, if they're thick enough to wave through a space where there are a few of them that you might hit in each individual swing, although chasing individual bugs would be pretty hopeless. We used the standard vinegar traps for the gnats as well, but actually got a lot more of them with the "sweeping" than with the several traps we set out. They were localized in a single room, which made it a lot handier to try all the methods we could conjure up, and we tried about all of them. John |
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Subject: RE: Effective non-chemical mosquito control From: GUEST,Allen in Oz Date: 15 May 13 - 08:55 AM On QI recently it was asserted that over half of all human deaths in the history of the world were caused by mosquitos. If true , it is a sobering thought. AD |
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Subject: RE: Effective non-chemical mosquito control From: GUEST,Eliza Date: 15 May 13 - 09:08 AM I can well believe it Allen. Malaria alone (the most common cause of mosquito-transmitted diseases) kills many many small babies, children and old people in Africa, My husband's had it several times and nearly died, and his poor brother, 15yrs old, did die. Yellow fever too (although there's now a vaccine for this, not every country has a free and easily accessible immunisation programme) Not to mention dengue fever and West Nile disease. I've heard that even the airline cabin cleaners at Heathrow Airport in UK had been bitten by stowaway mozzies and some had contracted malaria. Now they spray an aerosol insecticide along the cabin interior on flights from malarial zones. It's no good IMO trying to kill ALL mosquitoes, you'll never do it. Better try and develop a vaccine for the diseases they're vectors for, and have international agencies vaccinate everyone. When I stayed in the bush, I had a mozzie net at night, used Deet on my skin, and aerosol in the sleeping room, wore long-sleeved clothes and full-length skirts or trousers, yet I was STILL bitten around my ankles, neck and even hands. Only one of those bites could have killed me. Luckily I took my Malarone tablets strictly as prescribed (ie a week before and a week after travel as well) and got away with it. But the bites became a bit infected in the intense heat. Horrible little pests! |
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Subject: RE: Effective non-chemical mosquito control From: pdq Date: 15 May 13 - 10:56 AM "On QI recently it was asserted that over half of all human deaths in the history of the world were caused by mosquitos. If true , it is a sobering thought." ~ Allen in Oz I has also been claimed (in the early 1960s) that 20% of all people on planet Earth owed their lives to one chemical, DDT. Was banning it an attempt at population control? |
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Subject: RE: Effective non-chemical mosquito control From: GUEST,leeneia Date: 15 May 13 - 10:56 AM I am not going to put bacteria straight into the water that my beloved birds drink, thanks very much. |
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Subject: RE: Effective non-chemical mosquito control From: Stilly River Sage Date: 15 May 13 - 11:17 AM My bird baths are healthier because of Bti. They don't end up turbid little breeding grounds for mosquitoes. It won't hurt the birds at all. I'll have to check to see where the gambusia come from - Q has a point - introduced species always bump up against someone else in the new environment. I think here they would bump up against the stomach linings of the local inhabitants. SRS |
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Subject: RE: Effective non-chemical mosquito control From: pdq Date: 15 May 13 - 11:25 AM "I am not going to put bacteria straight into the water that my beloved birds drink, thanks very much." ~ leeneia Good for you. Bascillus turingiensis is a biological warfare agent. The target may be insects, but there is no assurance that BT will not cause pneumonia-like symptoms in many species of animals, humans included. Then there is the absolute certainty that this bacterium will mutate, perhaps into something very dangerous. This horrible disease agent has allredy reduced the butterfly population of the lower 48 US states by 99%! Spend some time outside if you don't believe it. |
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Subject: RE: Effective non-chemical mosquito control From: Stilly River Sage Date: 15 May 13 - 11:55 AM That's nonsense. This product has been successfully used for many years with no adverse outcomes. This is a naturally occurring biological inhabitant of the soil. Here is the pesticide information profile. The sky is not falling. Bti is not aimed at butterflies, only at mosquitoes. There is a Bt that is aimed at the caterpillar stage of moths and butterflies that should be applied only to crop plants to kill the caterpillars. The organic site I refer to for gardening information is very clear to caution that people shouldn't broadcast it, it will harm butterflies if it is on flowers they visit. Bacillus thuringiensis was first discovered in 1911 as a pathogen of flour moths from the province of Thuringia, Germany. It was first used as a commercial insecticide in France in 1938, and then in the USA in the 1950s. However, these early products were replaced by more effective ones in the 1960s, when various highly pathogenic strains were discovered with particular activity against different types of insect. An archival page with information about BT As with ANY product with pesticide qualities, you have to keep the scope as narrow as possible to not injure the populations beyond the garden. Spinosad is an effective organic insecticide, but must be used very carefully to avoid harming honey bees. For example, when added to water and drenched on the ground around plants in the garden it will kill the various larval stages of harmful stink bugs, but it won't harm bees. SRS |
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Subject: RE: Effective non-chemical mosquito control From: Bettynh Date: 15 May 13 - 12:35 PM Bti is used to control black flies, a real pest around here. Not being bitten is a good thing, but black fly larvae are a prime food for brook trout, so there has to be careful thought about using it in our streams. The kurtstaki strain was used for control of gypsy moths when we were plagued with those critters. But a fungal disease of said moths apparently caught up with the population explosion and, while I see a few gypsy moth caterpillars every year, we've had no massive defoliation here since 1981. |
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Subject: RE: Effective non-chemical mosquito control From: Bobert Date: 15 May 13 - 12:42 PM Put up a bat house... The end... B~ |
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Subject: RE: Effective non-chemical mosquito control From: Stilly River Sage Date: 15 May 13 - 12:52 PM I have a bat house, I'm waiting for the bats to arrive. They say it can take up to a year for them to discover it. I have about six months to go. Any pest control method can become itself a problem if it isn't used correctly. There is always a balance to maintain, to keep the wildlife in the area intact but keep the destructive ones out of the vegetable garden. SRS |
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Subject: RE: Effective non-chemical mosquito control From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 15 May 13 - 01:39 PM Haven't seen bats here lately. Too much pest control? I miss the evening flyers- nighthawks, bats, large moths. It's been several years since they were common here. |
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Subject: RE: Effective non-chemical mosquito control From: pdq Date: 15 May 13 - 02:01 PM What we now call Bascillus thuringiensis was discoverd in Japan in 1901 while people were attempting to find what was killing silk moths. Note: Lepidoptera. All varients of Bascillus thuringiensis known before the late 1970s were found killing moths and butterflies. Yes, Lepidoptera. The strains developed in laboratories since then can kill other orders, notably Coleoptera and Diptera. Still, if you spray a leaf with BT, of any strain, and let a caterpillar feed on that leaf, it will die. The more specific types of BT are skewed toward certain target groups and are more effective on them. In no way does that mean they wil not kill the non-target Lepidoptera. They wil. |
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Subject: RE: Effective non-chemical mosquito control From: kendall Date: 15 May 13 - 07:51 PM When I mow the lawn I often have company, Dragon flys they follow me all over the property. That's my favorite mosquito repellent. |
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Subject: RE: Effective non-chemical mosquito control From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 15 May 13 - 08:45 PM ""On QI recently it was asserted that over half of all human deaths in the history of the world were caused by mosquitos. If true , it is a sobering thought." So if it weren't for mosquitos they'd all still be alive and the place would be extremely crowded by now... |
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Subject: RE: Effective non-chemical mosquito control From: open mike Date: 16 May 13 - 04:30 AM Avon skin-so-soft helps keep them off your body. Avon also makes a new product with stronger bug repellant properties. I ordered a bottle.. hope it gets here soon! |
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Subject: RE: Effective non-chemical mosquito control From: GUEST,Eliza Date: 16 May 13 - 05:36 AM Nasty Remark Alert! open mike, from what I remember about Avon perfumes, no self-respecting mosquito would go anywhere near it, so you'll be quite safe there! |
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Subject: RE: Effective non-chemical mosquito control From: JohnInKansas Date: 16 May 13 - 08:09 AM Kid lore when I was a boy sprout was that eating bananas would attract mosquitos so it was pretty much a tradition to stuff the new kid with them on the first night of a camp out. The results suggested there might be some truth to the idea, although I can't really say that it was conclusive. Most of the "test subjects" were among the youngest kids who probably were quite delicious for the mozzies with or without the treatment - thin and tender skin and all that - and most lacked even the most minimal notions of how to avoid exposing themselves to any of the evils of outdoor activities. That was of course in a time and place where the local mosquitos carried no serious diseases and were just annoying. There are few places where that's really the case now. John |
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Subject: RE: Effective non-chemical mosquito control From: Stilly River Sage Date: 16 May 13 - 10:04 AM Any pesticide, organic or toxic chemical, when used wrong, will do harm. Any organic pesticide, when used correctly, will treat the thing you intend to treat and won't spread any further. The trouble with many of the chemical treatments is that they don't break down, they get into the water, they get into wildlife. If you've ever seen a bunch of tobacco hornworms plow through tomatoes, peppers, eggplant, potato, and more, you know they need to be kept out of the garden. I often times relocated some of the bigger worms to the woods across the road - they will eat other native plants, but they prefer the tobacco/nightshade family. The moth that results at the end of the lifecycle is the sphinx moth, a great pollinator and hummingbird mimic. Bti applied to the leaves of the plants enters the gut of the insect and they stop eating and they die. For all of the little bugs I can't find before the damage is too great, these are the ones the Bti is aimed at. I rather like hornworms, when they're not destroying my garden. Beneficial nematodes sprayed on the soil will help keep destructive cutworms out (another moth caterpillar) as will Bti. I've ended up using a bit of both treatments the last couple of years. If you can stop any of these pests at the soil level in the specific area that is the garden, you're not impacting anything else in the area, and none of the flying beneficial insects. SRS |
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Subject: RE: Effective non-chemical mosquito control From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 16 May 13 - 01:53 PM Some of my lilies were sickly. The bulbs were infested with nematodes. Had to treat the area to eliminate them. A local agronomist said they probably came in with the bulbs, since nematodes are rare here in Calgary. There are many pest nematodes among the c. 30,000 species. Mosquitos will soon be blowing in from wet spots left untreated in the city. We keep OFF handy and lightly spray uncovered body parts. I remember someone telling me that if you eat a lot of garlic, mosquitos will avoid you. It doesn't work. A lot of Skin-so-soft was sold here when the story was spread that it discpuraged the skeeters, but it didn't work either. |
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Subject: RE: Effective non-chemical mosquito control From: Stilly River Sage Date: 16 May 13 - 02:04 PM Yes, there are a lot of pest nematodes. That's why this type is called beneficial, to distinguish. If you google nematodes you'll find some pretty amazing photos of the harmful ones. Skin-so-soft and Jean Nate are supposed to repel ticks, I've never heard about them repelling mosquitoes. They do work on ticks. SRS |
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Subject: RE: Effective non-chemical mosquito control From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 16 May 13 - 10:03 PM Lighting a cigarette is quite effective. You don't have to smoke it if you'd rather not, the smoke still works. |
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Subject: RE: Effective non-chemical mosquito control From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 16 May 13 - 10:24 PM Sorry to call your cards - but those pretty high-faulutin claims.
Spray Toxic Chemical at Night
It didn't deal with the various stages of mosquitoes It tended to harm beneficial insects, wildlife, and humans and their pets. PLEASE - you are making three remarkable statements SOURCES???????
Sincerely,
dammm, and vandam again .... I know I should not plunge "below the line" into the piss hole. |
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Subject: RE: Effective non-chemical mosquito control From: Jeri Date: 16 May 13 - 10:40 PM The idea about smoking is just wrong. I smoked for years, and though I'd heard it repelled skeeters, nobody had told them. Mosquitos are attracted to CO2. |
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Subject: RE: Effective non-chemical mosquito control From: Stilly River Sage Date: 17 May 13 - 01:43 AM Dirt Doctor discussion of mosquito spraying in the North Texas area in summer of 2012 West Nile Virus is the most overblown health threat since the "killer bees." Yes, people have gotten sick and a few have even died from WNV, but people need to try to put things into perspective. Unfortunately, a few people have died this year from WNV, but thousands of people have died from asthma and other respiratory diseases. |
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