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Subject: BS: No guns in Chicago museum From: beardedbruce Date: 08 May 13 - 04:54 PM CHICAGO — The city's most powerful alderman — Edward Burke (14th) — introduced an ordinance at Wednesday's City Council meeting that would allow Chicago museums to display unloaded firearms for historical purposes. Currently, city museums are prohibited from lawfully displaying firearms of historic value, according to the city's long-standing gun ordinance. Burke said Wednesday he recently learned of the "anomaly in the city code." "Museums are caught in a dilemma that if they have in their collections artifacts that can be defined as firearms, even though there's historical significance to the memento, they can't be registered in the city and can't be displayed," Burke said. Burke cited the example of Major General William P. Levine, one of the very first American soldiers to liberate the Dachau concentration camp during World War II. Levine's family donated a German Walther PP he acquired during the war to the Pritzker Military Library following Levine's death in March, but the library is unable to display the gun under the current ordinance. A history expert himself, Burke said allowing museums to display firearms like Levine's is a reasonable exemption to the city's ordinance, especially given museums across the country are free to do so. "I think in Chicago, museums should have the same opportunity to display articles of historical significance even if they are firearms," he said. Kenneth Clarke, CEO and President of the Pritzker Military Library, said the current policy leaves Chicago citizens missing out on a lot of history. "It's about preserving the stories of citizen soldiers from World War II, World War I ... who have served our country," he said. Clarke said the current city code is unclear if historic guns can even be stored in the museum's archives, so the library has moved its collection to a fire-proof safe at a gun range in the Chicago suburbs. more at http://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20130508/downtown/ban-on-displaying-guns-at-city-museums-should-be-lifted-ald-burke-says |
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Subject: RE: BS: No guns in Chicago museum From: GUEST,highlandman at work Date: 08 May 13 - 05:15 PM I can't really comment on the Chicago ordinances, but in SC the firearms law exempts historical pieces that are modified to render them incapable of being fired, or some such similar verbage. The modifications don't even have to be irreversible, just not easily reversible. No reason laws can't be worded sensibly as long as someone is willing to make the effort. |
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Subject: RE: BS: No guns in Chicago museum From: Greg F. Date: 08 May 13 - 05:40 PM And your point in posting this non-news story is what, exactly, Beardie? |
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Subject: RE: BS: No guns in Chicago museum From: Joe Offer Date: 08 May 13 - 11:23 PM I smell a rat. Why can't I find anything about this Chicago museum gun ban in any of the "legitimate" press? The pro-gun Websites are full of stuff about this museum gun ban, but I couldn't find anything that doesn't seem like propaganda. Doesn't the submarine at the Museum of Science and Industry have guns? Have the guns been removed from all the fighter planes hanging from the ceiling? This page indicates that the Chicago History Museum has at least one historic revolver, but I admit that the article doesn't indicate whether the pistol is on display or not. Oh....this article (click) that beardedbruce cited above says guns from before 1898 can be displayed. sounds like it's just that the law needs to be updated. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: No guns in Chicago museum From: John on the Sunset Coast Date: 09 May 13 - 12:32 AM Joe, I'm not sure why you smell a rat. Most city council meeting are not covered in great detail even in the large media of major cities...unless, perhaps, they pertain to financial matters or intra-council squabbling. This article is in an online newspaper site, not unsimilar to myriad weekly free tabloids around the country which often cover local news and events (and this is local to Chicago) better than the major press/media (The LA Weekly, The Pasadena Weekly, The Jewish Journal of Los Angeles, The Santa Monica Argonaut to name a few local to SoCal). The article also has quotes from a museum officials which seem to support the thesis of the story to some extent. So perhaps it is true that museums are not allowed to display guns, or they believe they are not allowed to display guns, or they aren't equipped to display guns or just plain don't care to display them. The internet has many sites which aggregate obscure stories from print and online journals such as dnainfo.com. |
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Subject: RE: BS: No guns in Chicago museum From: beardedbruce Date: 09 May 13 - 07:54 AM Joe, BY FEDERAL law, a "gun" from before 1895 is NOT a firearm. I can have all the civil war muskets I want, except in Massachusetts. But the laws in Chicago prohibit all firearms AFTER 1895, from the interpretation of the museum ( and probably their lawyers). |
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Subject: RE: BS: No guns in Chicago museum From: Greg F. Date: 09 May 13 - 08:07 AM I repeat my former query: why is this newsworthy? And since the Chicago gun ordinance has been in effect many for years, why is this coming up only now? I don't smell a rat, but I do smell Wayne LaPierre. (And I want to make it clear to rats world-wide that I am in no way equating them with Mr. LaPierre.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: No guns in Chicago museum From: Joe Offer Date: 09 May 13 - 09:00 AM From what I've read, Alderman Edward Burke (an ex-seminarian like myself*), is in favor of gun control. Apparently, the issue of guns in museums didn't come up until just now, and Burke has proposed a change to the ordinance so that guns can be displayed. There appears to be no controversy about the issues - but the pro-gun people figure it's a way to attack Chicago's gun control legislation. So, it's people trying to make hay out of what Greg F correctly calls a non-issue. I also found that the Field Museum in Chicago has a huge gun collection - in storage. The Field Museum concentrates on natural history, and the guns don't fit in with the purpose of the museum. -Joe- *Burke went to Quigley Prep Seminary in Chicago, I went to De Sales Prep in Milwaukee. He's my age - I wonder if we went to the same Quigley vs. De Sales basketball games....we always lost. |
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Subject: RE: BS: No guns in Chicago museum From: gnu Date: 09 May 13 - 07:20 PM Joe.... mountain/molehill? Yup. No rats. Just moles, most of which are more or less blind as I recall from biology 101. |
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Subject: RE: BS: No guns in Chicago museum From: Bee-dubya-ell Date: 09 May 13 - 08:55 PM Maybe that's why New York City and Hot Springs, Arkansas have gangster museums but Chicago doesn't. |
