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Subject: BS: Matching Thatcher's Funeral From: Penny S. Date: 15 Apr 13 - 10:31 AM No singing, no back turning, no T-shirts. You might like to look at this if you have doubts about the spend. My sister has been involved in setting it up. Matching Thatcher's Funeral |
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Subject: RE: BS: Matching Thatcher's Funeral From: Nigel Parsons Date: 15 Apr 13 - 12:12 PM Interestingly there is no verification that amounts 'pledged' have actually been paid to charities. That makes it just about certain that they will be able to claim to have met their targets then? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Matching Thatcher's Funeral From: GUEST,Matching Thatcher's Funeral Date: 15 Apr 13 - 02:46 PM Yeah because making stuff up is CLEARLY what this is all bout, Nigel - good grief get over yourself already |
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Subject: RE: BS: Matching Thatcher's Funeral From: Penny S. Date: 15 Apr 13 - 03:08 PM As it's currently about £300, I don't see any signs of making up - it was put together quickly, by a Quaker, so I don't expect she will be massaging figures. As for people signing on and lying, there will be a bit of modding going on. Penny |
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Subject: RE: BS: Matching Thatcher's Funeral From: Les in Chorlton Date: 16 Apr 13 - 02:53 AM Seems like a really good idea. I imagine most people will be involved honestly and a number of people on here will go on and on about how nobody can be trusted. I find most people can be trusted most of the time |
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Subject: RE: BS: Matching Thatcher's Funeral From: Penny S. Date: 16 Apr 13 - 10:22 AM Currently £929.25. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Matching Thatcher's Funeral From: Penny S. Date: 16 Apr 13 - 10:23 AM And if that looks a bit more than the front page total, I added my recent addition. Penny |
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Subject: RE: BS: Matching Thatcher's Funeral From: John MacKenzie Date: 16 Apr 13 - 11:08 AM What a pointless, and cantradictory thing to do. Making money from hatred isn't a Quakerish thing to do. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Matching Thatcher's Funeral From: Les in Chorlton Date: 16 Apr 13 - 03:10 PM Giving to a charity of your choice is hardly pointless. It's not about hate it's about opposition and resistance to the polcies that she propounded and that the current government are carrying on. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Matching Thatcher's Funeral From: John MacKenzie Date: 16 Apr 13 - 03:15 PM You give to charities for reasons of love, and christian feelings. Not to score points. (Please note the christian, in the above sentence, isn't capitalised, so don't confuse it with a religious faith.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Matching Thatcher's Funeral From: Penny S. Date: 16 Apr 13 - 03:24 PM Surely it's a bit more useful a point than turning backs or ringing bells. Penny |
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Subject: RE: BS: Matching Thatcher's Funeral From: John MacKenzie Date: 16 Apr 13 - 04:10 PM Indeed, giving to charity will always be good, but I just think there could be a better reason. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Matching Thatcher's Funeral From: GUEST Date: 17 Apr 13 - 03:13 AM The reason is to turn difficult emotions into something constructive and positive. Some people turn extreme emotion into song; some into action - better the action be positive than to fuel hatred. Swords into ploughshares. There is a lot of emotion around today - and it is turning into lots of money for Shelter. See 'www.donthatedonate' as well. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Matching Thatcher's Funeral From: Les in Chorlton Date: 17 Apr 13 - 04:00 AM Is this true or apocraphal: "During the Miners' Strike, Thatcher instructed social security to refuse assistance for miners' funerals." Now we are paying £10m for hers. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Matching Thatcher's Funeral From: Stu Date: 17 Apr 13 - 06:37 AM My God, I'm listening to that bish or whatever he is giving the lesson at Thatcher's funeral. Talk about a pile of apologist crap, he's trying to absolve her of her utter inability to empathise with other human beings. They're beatifying her as I type this. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Matching Thatcher's Funeral From: GUEST,Musket sans cookie Date: 17 Apr 13 - 06:41 AM Not true. The government bought into the plan set up by banks and utilities to not chase debts till after the strike. It was in her interest to keep the pits closed in order to lose a few through lack of maintenance. It was in the interest of Tim Eggar the energy minister for pits not to produce in order to see through long term plans. Most of us on strike were aware of this and had mixed views. The rest is history. . |
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Subject: RE: BS: Matching Thatcher's Funeral From: Stu Date: 17 Apr 13 - 07:20 AM There appears to be a competition between Dimbleby and his fellow pundits to out-brownnose each other in praise of Thatcher. Good God all bleedin' mighty. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Matching Thatcher's Funeral From: Penny S. Date: 17 Apr 13 - 02:45 PM Reminder about the purpose of this thread - over £3000 now. Matching Thatcher's funeral site |
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Subject: RE: BS: Matching Thatcher's Funeral From: GUEST,Spleen Cringe Date: 17 Apr 13 - 05:54 PM Giovanni. Although I don't know why I'm bothering, surely you can see the difference between a song written from a miner's perspective about how awful mining is and Thatcher's government enforcing mine closures and decimating entire communities? Like, durrrr! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Matching Thatcher's Funeral From: MGM·Lion Date: 18 Apr 13 - 04:44 AM But, Nigel, the song does say that the miner singing it thinks all the pits should close as unfit for human labour. "I will close all the pits" ~ straight-off quote. It really is a bit of a face-both-ways ~~ I see what Giovanni means. ~M~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Matching Thatcher's Funeral From: Musket Date: 18 Apr 13 - 05:01 AM As an apprentice, the tales you heard from the old men, both those nearing retirement and those like my step Dad, retired after 50 years, you did feel you were lucky to be working in a fairly mechanised environment which, once you were "pit fit" wasn't too bad and certainly didn't match either the descriptions in the BBC Radio Ballad "The Big Hewer" nor the tales of the older men. McColl was singing this only 15 years previously but mechanisation of the larger pits and closure of the smaller ones had been going on as part of a plan since 1967. As a teenager going to folk clubs, I used to be bemused listening to social workers and geography teachers singing about how bad it was, and at the same time not wanting to swap my career for theirs any day. Hence when Thatcher had her way, it was so devastating. Work was an extension of the community in a way that had faded in many other communities. No dichotomy. The work changed over the years, and by the time prior to the strike, the physical graft was there, but each year brought advances in health, safety and mechanisation. Hence in 1970, only 20% of school leavers going into the industry served craft apprentices, and by 1980, it was 40%. This reflected the increase in technology and machinery. it also reflected a dwindling workforce.... Thatcher will be blamed, but closures began well before her time, and whilst her government served notice on 20 pits in 1983, resulting in the ballot, more had shut under Wilson than she could ever dream of. I'm not defending her. More of refusing to give her the credit if pit closures were seen as a virtue. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Matching Thatcher's Funeral From: GUEST,Tax-Efficient Consciousness Date: 18 Apr 13 - 02:26 PM Since "Independent" schools (i.e. fee-paying) are normally described as "charities", does this mean that there's some kind of tax advantage in paying their fees? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Matching Thatcher's Funeral From: Allan Conn Date: 19 Apr 13 - 02:04 AM "does this mean that there's some kind of tax advantage in paying their fees?" You are paying for specific services (ie your child's education) not donating to any said charity so you can't claim Gift Aid. Well I'm talking about here in the UK anyway! If you donated to the said school and the donation was for the benefit of the entire school then yes you do have tax advantages through Gift Aid. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Matching Thatcher's Funeral From: Bonzo3legs Date: 19 Apr 13 - 02:57 AM Who were the hideous scum throwing objects at the horses pulling the gun carriage bearing Thatcher's coffin? I hope they are identified and duly prosecuted. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Matching Thatcher's Funeral From: Stu Date: 19 Apr 13 - 04:23 AM "Who were the hideous scum throwing objects at the horses pulling the gun carriage bearing Thatcher's coffin?" That was the tory members of the cabinet. They're currently dobbing in all the LimDumb members so they'll take the blame. |
