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Subject: BS: Justin Trudeau, the next 'Hair'? From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 13 Apr 13 - 01:04 PM Gnu calls our great leader and prime minister "Hair." Shouldn't this appellation be applied to Justin Trudeau and his little boy head of hair? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Justin Trudeau, the next 'Hair'? From: Little Hawk Date: 13 Apr 13 - 01:13 PM Wait till he's elected. Then you can abuse him all you want. ;-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Justin Trudeau, the next 'Hair'? From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 13 Apr 13 - 02:27 PM I can disparage him as a candidate if I want to. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Justin Trudeau, the next 'Hair'? From: bobad Date: 13 Apr 13 - 04:36 PM I see Q is in the vanguard of Reform-Alliance/Conservative attack tactics such as are the stock-in-trade of the Republican party in the US - didn't do them much good did it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Justin Trudeau, the next 'Hair'? From: gnu Date: 13 Apr 13 - 04:59 PM Apparently, Q is still a Yank. Otherwise, he would be tuned into CBC Radio 1 and would have listened intently earlier this day as the very topic was well observed by a noted Canuck radio guy... I snippet and paraphrase... Justin should laud his luxuriant hair and should have a fan blowing on his hair in every appearance to demonstrate it is far superior to the concrete that sits upon Harper's head. See youse all at the coronation tomorrow. And, in time, if the stars align, at Harper's demise. I just hope Justin has at least one ball as big as his old man's. We'll see. Stars n all, eh? I miss you, Pierre. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Justin Trudeau, the next 'Hair'? From: Jack the Sailor Date: 13 Apr 13 - 05:07 PM "Justin should laud his luxuriant hair and should have a fan blowing on his hair in every appearance to demonstrate it is far superior to the concrete that sits upon Harper's head." Very poetic and entertaining, but has the campaign come that low already. Nominate Kevin O'Leary as Liberal leader. He can out-Harper Harper and the hair won't be an issue. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Justin Trudeau, the next 'Hair'? From: gnu Date: 13 Apr 13 - 05:29 PM Your question is puzzling, JtS. It was a satirical commentary on CBC 1. As for O'Leary, he makes for good TV with his OTT bravado but without his $, he's just another loud mouthed bully... we already have Harper so how could we wish for anything more? I think less would be far more. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Justin Trudeau, the next 'Hair'? From: Jeri Date: 13 Apr 13 - 05:33 PM Regarding the fan blowing on Justin Trudeau's hair: if it moves, he's already got an edge. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Justin Trudeau, the next 'Hair'? From: Ed T Date: 13 Apr 13 - 05:47 PM Hard to say if he will keep the hair? His Dad was very thin, and it's hard to say about Margret's side (as the picture below indicates)? Trudeau says he wont use negative attack ads. It si interesting, but puzzling as to how he would deal with the ones likely to be fired from the other side (s). Margret's mom and Dad (with Romeo) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Justin Trudeau, the next 'Hair'? From: Ed T Date: 13 Apr 13 - 06:16 PM ""James Sinclair, a Rhodes trained Engineer, and WW2 War Vetran from BC was Canada's Fisheries Minister from 1952 to 57. Jack Pickersgill, top advisor to Prime Minister Louis St. Laurent, depicted Sinclair as a brilliant debater, independant and outspoken. Some said he was one of the strongest Fisheries Ministers of the first 20 years after the war. However, some accused him of focusing on the Pacific coast fishery, at the expense of the east coast fishery."" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Justin Trudeau, the next 'Hair'? From: Little Hawk Date: 13 Apr 13 - 06:40 PM Yes, Q, he's only a candidate now...but think how much more fulfilling it will be to attack him on a daily basis once he's in office! ;-D To understand this principle, simply look back at George Bush...or Bill Clinton...or consider the present circumstances of Barack Obama and Stephen Harper. And why wouldn't we disparage these guys? The thing is, we all live under a financial oligarchy, see? It's a group of entrenched interests run by the richest half percentile of the population, people who know each other and eat at very expensive restaurants and send their kids to the schools for the elite. Our version of the nobility. Whoever gets elected isn't going to get elected or even fucking well nominated for national office in the first place until he's already a puppet on their strings, no matter which party he's in, so I can guarantee that many people will become disillusioned in him pretty fast once he's in power...even if they thought he was wonderful when he was running for office. They'll wonder "what happened?" to that terrific guy they voted for. Why does this new emperor seem to have no clothes? Because he's a front man, that's why. It's just a giant dog and pony show, Q. You get the government that the monied elite gives you, every time. (If you're a member of that tiny elite, of course, you celebrate! Remember when Bush joked about his constituency "the haves and the have-mores"? That was an unexpected moment of harsh honesty...or just sheer arrogance from a bought political leader in these corrupt times we live in. Obama is much more subtle than that...he talks very nicely, sounding like a real idealist, while enacting oppressive legislation and illegal warfare with a velvet glove. He makes Bush look like Alfred E. Neumann in comparison. Now, I wonder if Hillary will get her shot once Obama has finished his 8 years of service to the imperial overlords?) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Justin Trudeau, the next 'Hair'? From: Ed T Date: 13 Apr 13 - 06:50 PM Justin's garnddad Hon. James Sinclair PC Born Banff, Scotland, May 26, 1908 Came to Vancouver in 1911 Died, 1984 Education: Vancouver Technical School University of British Columbia (Engineering ) Oxford University (Mathematics ) Princeton University (Mathematical Physics ) Rhodes Scholar Military R .C .A .F . 1939 - 1945, Served with the Desert Air Force in North Africa, Malta, Sicily |
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Subject: RE: BS: Justin Trudeau, the next 'Hair'? From: gnu Date: 13 Apr 13 - 07:10 PM "It's just a giant dog and pony show, Q." Pierre was not a dog or a pony. He stood up to the US bullshit and the bullshit of big corporations BIG TIME. He was the last Great Statesman we have seen in NA, save Jimmy Carter, for a long time. True and honest just ain't the norm. Sad. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Justin Trudeau, the next 'Hair'? From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 13 Apr 13 - 08:00 PM I watch Canadian TV, Gnu, Global locally. I think Justin is mentioned occasionally. Same with CTV. I understand CBC is still alive, but it isn't much listened to in Alberta. Haven't listened to radio in years. The energy policies of Pierre Trudeau were and are misunderstood by those outside of the industry. During his turn at the wheel, the majors built up large staffs because government dollars went into research and exploration by the majors. Petrocanada bore part of the cost of the look-see into the Arctic and coastal waters and the government paid much of the research costs of the majors. Projects recommended by exploration staff that were not considered cost-effective by business staff and rejected became active when costs were shared with Petrocanada. Research into the building of ice islands and other steps into the offshore waters, was largely done by majors with the help of government money. Provincial research, especially in Alberta-Saskatchewan, grew with federal money. Look into the Petrocanada drilling agreements- many were shared cost with the majors, and their staff was excellent. It was the little companies that suffered because they lacked projects that could be called research, and also lacked sufficient capital to explore in wildcat areas. They did the complaining, not the majors. I know, because the research group to which I belonged bloomed during the Trudeau years. When funding was cut following Trudeau, much of the work and jobs were returned to the States and Europe. All the above is digression, of course. The young Trudeau is still wet behind the ears and is unknown outside of eastern Canada. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Justin Trudeau, the next 'Hair'? From: Jack the Sailor Date: 13 Apr 13 - 08:08 PM I think less would be far more. Less hair! that was the joke i was making. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Justin Trudeau, the next 'Hair'? From: Little Hawk Date: 13 Apr 13 - 08:12 PM I agree 100% about Pierre Trudeau, gnu. The man is a hero to me. He truly had the courage of his own convictions. My parents just hated him! But my mother would have hated even Jesus Christ or Florence Nightingale if they'd been Liberal Party candidates. ;-D She was a bit insane on that particular matter for reasons I'll never understand. It must have had something to do with her family background, I guess. I presume they always voted PC. And the really funny part was, she liked the NDP a lot too! Liked the NDP, liked the PCs, HATED the Liberals...and thought of herself as a "socialist"...who usually votes PC...sometimes NDP. Try and figure that one out. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Justin Trudeau, the next 'Hair'? From: gnu Date: 13 Apr 13 - 09:01 PM Canuck TV, Q, does not a Canuck make. Esecially Global Gobble. If you wish to truly complete your jurney to The Light Side, you are required to LISTEN to CBC RADIO 1. Of course it's a joke of sorts. Have you ever known me to be serious without using foul language? Unknown outside of Eastern Canada? Are you fuckin serious? Laff at Will. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Justin Trudeau, the next 'Hair'? From: Jack the Sailor Date: 13 Apr 13 - 11:14 PM I think that selecting leaders by bloodline is a very bad idea. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Justin Trudeau, the next 'Hair'? From: Ed T Date: 13 Apr 13 - 11:24 PM Rather than bloodline, I suspect success is more linked to a historic connection within a party (that votes for their canididate-leader). However,no doubt that there is an advantage if you have a recognizable name, regardless of what sector the name comes from. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Justin Trudeau, the next 'Hair'? From: Charmion Date: 14 Apr 13 - 07:51 AM Thanks for the inside info on Trudeau's effect on the oil business, Q. Was that the notorious National Energy Policy that I have heard reviled for the last 30 years? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Justin Trudeau, the next 'Hair'? From: GUEST Date: 14 Apr 13 - 11:58 AM I think the hair is terrific, IF YA GOT IT FLAUNT IT BABY!Hes going to be areal contender, politics in Canada different from the hyperbolye in usa, thats typical, in usa, all fluff & no imagination, just look at the last few down there, yes DOWN THERE! NOT MUCH SUBSTANCE AT ALL, good thing some sense pevailed, Mr obama, well he's a tough row to hoe i must say, and with a blunt hoe to...The other wanna bees fluff as much as you got out of PT Barnum.... Mr Trudeau, is only starting to blossom and already the others are in apannic, hes done nothing yest besides give a few speeches, i 'm sure once he gets rollin the merge beteen govt & big buisness will occur again & prosperity will return, IN CANADA THEY BOUGHT THE OIL INDUCTRY IN SYNCRUDE, TO SECURE THEIR ENERGY NEEDS, IN USA WELL, THE BOUGHT THE OIL TO PUT IT UNDER THE BED FOR A RAINY DAY, AND PAID THE OIL INDUSTRY TO LOOK AFTER IT, YOU TELL ME WHAT WAS MORE PRUDENT! The elder Trudeaus energy policy were sound, and if invoked in the hysteria about pipeline contruction as today it'd still be sound. Wonder how they'll all react when they build refineries , more of them in canada to refine product & sell it locally..even to the neighbours who live in the basement...YES DOWN THERE! who need to pipie it to china, plenty of willing customers in NORTH AMERICA, Who know the idea could spread to MEXICO!!!and they could do the same, selling refined product to their neighbours....they'll just have to pay, and pay & pay...driving all those gas guzziling 4 by 4 cars & trucks.....hummm...a catchy idea indeed!!stay tunned CANADIAN ELECTIONS ARE FREE OF FLUFF & OF SUBSTANCE, ITS BOUND TO GET BETTER..Who knows may CNN will give it full time air...come the 60 day campaign period leading up to the day...then Harpo will have to vacate 24 sussex drive, if he's lucky move into stornaway house...that is if hes to be upsurped by none other than the NDP...Canadian comedy at its best.....Can jsut see the Aislin cartoon now...His father always in a fedora with cape & cane....taking walks in the snow & telling all i've had it with you ninniys, fuddle duddle & away he jumped into his sports car & drove away, only came back when they begged him to....Migh be why the Pope Resigned...a voice from on high told him to...T'i Pierre ( Pierre trudeau) Like i said saty tunned and dont touch that dial! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Justin Trudeau, the next 'Hair'? From: Ed T Date: 14 Apr 13 - 12:37 PM The NEP was surely divisive in Alberta (not all of the west) as the way the Constitution was implemented was in Quebec. Trudeau was decisive when he felt he was right, as were a few Prime Ministers. That wins friends if you are seen to be on the benefitting side, and enemies in on the other. Decisive people are apt to clash with other decisive people, as Trudeau and other decisive PMs have (where strong prrovincial leaders are in place). When you take on USA industry ("big USA oil") you take on the USA government - good luck with that. We also can't ignore that the issue of the provincial-federal shares of mineral and oil royalaties were divisive issues not that long ago, and remain so. West-east pipelines and ensuring secure access to reasonably priced oil (East and West) remain priorities, as do encouraging more funds from Canadian oil production. Also, one cant forget that some of these "energy security" measures were rooted before Trudeau took power. My recollection of the NEP was that it was implemented for a few reasons: 1)To establish a Canada wide policy to promote Canadian oil production, to establish a secure Canadian controlled source of oil, incease Canadian ownership of this production and establish a federal share of the profits. 2) To protect the general center of production that was then based in Ontario and Quebec against fast rising oil prices. 3)To react to OPEC, to deal with sharp spikes in oil prices, and to limit USA control of Canadas secure source of domestic oil. In recall a letter made public around the time, where the USA gov't directed USA owned oil companies (operating in Canada), that in time of scarcity, to deliver oil to USA first. This seemed to hit a nerve with Trudeau at the time, who seemed to see it as the USA attempting to control Canadian energy security. A sharp rise in prices, followed by sharp declines impacted the programs effectiveness and was a major factor that caused the failure of the NEP. It is seen as a failure for Trudeau in many quarters in Canada. However, other factors (decline in oil prices) may have impacted economic downturn in Alberta oil as much (or more) than the NEP.We all see today where a major drop in price can rapidly end up sending many oil workers home. A few resource links: The Energy Crisis Alberta and the National Energy Program Another perspective Debate on Trudeau debate |
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Subject: RE: BS: Justin Trudeau, the next 'Hair'? From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 14 Apr 13 - 01:30 PM More digression- Pierre Trudeau is still reviled among the independent and small petroleum people in western Canada, because they could not share in the program. Petrocanada (see Ed T.) was created to increase Canadian content in petroleum exploration and development. What actually happened was that it ended up cooperating with the majors, because they had the money and expertise to enter unknown waters and share the costs. Petrocanada was privatized after Trudeau, and Canada lost its input into the industry. Getting back to the subject, Justin Trudeau (and the other Liberal candidates) is unknown in Alberta-Saskatchewan. In B. C. as well? It will take a well-thought-out campaign to raise interest in the West. CBC- sometimes listen to their FM music programs, but CKUA has better ones. CKUA is independent and supported by its listeners. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Justin Trudeau, the next 'Hair'? From: bobad Date: 14 Apr 13 - 01:44 PM ".........as the way the Constitution was implemented was in Quebec." The repatriation of the Constitution along with the inclusion of a Charter of Rights and Freedoms had (and still has) the support of a vast majority of Quebecers. Any divisiveness engendered was orchestrated by the separatist government of René Lévesque who, by virtue of his avowed goal of independence for Quebec, could not support a federal initiative that was binding on the province. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Justin Trudeau, the next 'Hair'? From: Jack the Sailor Date: 14 Apr 13 - 01:47 PM I liked Peter Gzowski on CBC. Some other national stuff was ok. The regional stuff in Newfoundland was quite valuable. I don't imagine the Liberals are all that big out west. but Ontario an Quebec together are still more than half the seats right? Atlantic Canada would vote as a block for whoever had the best chance to beat Harper. I know Newfoundland hates him because of some of the resource issues Ed mentioned. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Justin Trudeau, the next 'Hair'? From: Ed T Date: 14 Apr 13 - 02:45 PM Q It's not even beyond candidate for the Libs. and likely a couple of years away from an election date. Alberta has been a write-off for anyone but the current ruling right for many years. I suspect BC has potential for "a middle to left swing". Trudeau's Mom came from out therre, which could easily catch BC's attention. There may also be some concern over Alberta's currrent western political power position that could be a change factor. I also suspect Sask could offer some potential turn around, given is's middle to left historic roots philosophy. IMO, Ontario and Quebec voter attitudes are a huge factor. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Justin Trudeau, the next 'Hair'? From: Ed T Date: 14 Apr 13 - 03:07 PM ""Justin Trudeau...is unknown in Alberta-Saskatchewan. In B. C. as well?"" I don't know where you are getting your information from, but, it does not seem to be supported in the polls. Here is a recent one, where Trudeau seemed to do quite well, considering he is yet only a candidate for leadership. This seems to be opposed to the statement above. Last Nanos poll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Justin Trudeau, the next 'Hair'? From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 14 Apr 13 - 07:01 PM I don't agree with Nanos' poll. It doesn't match with what I hea,r or see in the papers. Much depends on how the question is put. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Justin Trudeau, the next 'Hair'? From: bobad Date: 14 Apr 13 - 07:04 PM Much depends on who you hear it from and who owns the papers. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Justin Trudeau, the next 'Hair'? From: Ed T Date: 14 Apr 13 - 07:19 PM LOL, Oh well;) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Justin Trudeau, the next 'Hair'? From: Jack the Sailor Date: 14 Apr 13 - 07:23 PM Q, Ed T I think it is possible both of you are right. 20% in the Prairies 29% in BC think Trudeau's values are like theirs. Isn't possible that 20% of the people in the Prairies are Liberals and pretty much all of them, being interested in Liberal Party politics know Trudeau and the other 80%, the group Q is in do not know him and do not care to. That might explain the name recognition without a lot of first tier media coverage. On the other hand considering his age and how he looks, I would be surprised if he is not on big social media, especially with women 16-35 and gay men. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Justin Trudeau, the next 'Hair'? From: Ed T Date: 14 Apr 13 - 07:47 PM Good try at a bad cause, Jts, you should be in politics :) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Justin Trudeau, the next 'Hair'? From: Jack the Sailor Date: 14 Apr 13 - 08:14 PM If I only had Trudeau's hair! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Justin Trudeau, the next 'Hair'? From: Ed T Date: 14 Apr 13 - 08:17 PM Which one, Justin or Pierre? :) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Justin Trudeau, the next 'Hair'? From: Jack the Sailor Date: 14 Apr 13 - 08:35 PM Put it this way. I have more hair than Pierre. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Justin Trudeau, the next 'Hair'? From: GUEST Date: 15 Apr 13 - 07:35 AM Watch history at 11AM EDT. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Justin Trudeau, the next 'Hair'? From: gnu Date: 15 Apr 13 - 08:06 AM Guest was me. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Justin Trudeau, the next 'Hair'? From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 15 Apr 13 - 10:17 AM Gnu, we have a channel on our cable (Shaw) which covers all open sessions of Parliament. I presume that your link is to the same open sessions. Do you watch it? Seriously? I watched a little, got tired of the "polite" bickering, and never looked at it again. A schedule giving times of votes would be very interesting, but I realize that would be near impossible. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Justin Trudeau, the next 'Hair'? From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 15 Apr 13 - 10:29 AM Add to my post- A few of the committee meetings get coverage here. A number of them are closed, and those that are open seem to be covered by whim. I am going by cable announcements so I am fuzzy on this. Our papers are poor, with very little coverage of doings in Ottawa. |
