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Subject: BS: St. Patty's Day? From: Elmore Date: 17 Mar 13 - 09:58 AM Happy St. Patrick's Day everyone. By the way, does it make you cranky when you hear it called St. Patty's day instead of St. Paddy's day? Gets me Irish up. |
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Subject: RE: BS: St. Patty's Day? From: ranger1 Date: 17 Mar 13 - 10:07 AM Yes, very much so. |
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Subject: RE: BS: St. Patty's Day? From: Bat Goddess Date: 17 Mar 13 - 10:16 AM Actually, both annoy me. I prefer the proper St. Patrick's Day. Just me. Linn |
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Subject: RE: BS: St. Patty's Day? From: Elmore Date: 17 Mar 13 - 10:33 AM Bat Goddess: Well said. Still, I believe if he were around today, he'd sooner be called Paddy than Patty. (Patricia?) |
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Subject: RE: BS: St. Patty's Day? From: Bat Goddess Date: 17 Mar 13 - 02:29 PM Please note, I'm not Irish. But "Paddy" is often used in a derogatory manner (Paddy wagon), so I avoid it. Even as a diminutive of Padraic (or really even as "Patty" as a diminutive of Patrick) it's so...diminutive. I HAVE abbreviated it as "St. Pat's"... (I dunno; is there a St. Patricia?!?) I just think it's a lot more respectful to say St. Patrick's Day. Especially since I chose to ignore the American pseudo-Irish (or "Oirish") silliness such as mawkish Tin Pan Alley "Oirish" songs, green beer, party til you puke bull's wool, etcet. After all, it started out as a religious holiday and is now a day of celebrating the Irish people. Nothing wrong with a bit of humor, but there are differences in humor based in stereotype and that based on bigotry. Linn |
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Subject: RE: BS: St. Patty's Day? From: Elmore Date: 17 Mar 13 - 02:52 PM My favorite Paddy is not Paddy wagon, but Paddy Whiskey, "One of the softest of all Ireland's whiskey's" named in honor of super salesman Paddy Flaherty. |
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Subject: RE: BS: St. Patty's Day? From: gnu Date: 17 Mar 13 - 03:09 PM St. Pat's is cool. Paddy? Not so much. No matter in the overall to me, really. |
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Subject: RE: BS: St. Patty's Day? From: GUEST Date: 17 Mar 13 - 03:13 PM Its all good, just don't call me late for the corned beef and cabbage. |
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Subject: RE: BS: St. Patty's Day? From: Elmore Date: 17 Mar 13 - 03:29 PM I never thought of Paddy as offensive. When I think of the name I attach it to singers like Paddy Clancy, Paddy Reilly etc. When we were kids we attended Mass at St. Joe's. However after further thought, I get it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: St. Patty's Day? From: MartinRyan Date: 17 Mar 13 - 04:10 PM St. Patrick's is a bit po-faced, Patrick's is conventional, Paddy's is light-hearted, Patty's is just weird! ;>)> Regards |
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Subject: RE: BS: St. Patty's Day? From: Ron Davies Date: 18 Mar 13 - 12:53 PM We can tie ourselves up in PC knots anytime--we're real good at it. Congratulations to us. Or we can just take a great opportunity to have a good time. And share it with a bunch of other people. We had our ostensibly bluegrass-country sing (every 2 months) at the retirement community where my stepfather and mother live. ( But when it falls around now we give it an Irish theme. ) I told them I'd try to give them a bit of the flavor of St. Pat's Day at an American- Irish pub. So the first thing I sang was "Wise men say "Do not drink green beer". But I can't help it and that's why I'm here" (tune, of course, is "I Can't Help Falling In Love With You". Then I told them to raise their (imaginary) green beers on high and put them down again so they could do the gestures to the "Unicorn" , which I then taught them. They were amazingly quick studies--somehow I don't think it was my wonderful teaching skills, to say the least. I had no idea so many people knew those gestures. I only learned them 2 weeks ago. So we all sang the "Unicorn". Big hit. Then I did "Clancy Lowered the Boom" having taught them the chorus and other parts of the song they could do. And again they were real quick (and again it was one I just learned 2 weeks ago). Then later on some of the audience came up and performed. Among others, one spectacular fiddler who always joins us and one guy who brought up about 6 or 7 harmonicas and played about 10 Irish or Irish-American songs, switching harmonicas all the time. He played so many I couldn't figure out how our leader could come up with an Irish song that hadn't been done for the last (tradtionally singalong) song. But he did. This was all after I sang the "Unicorn" to a little girl who's almost 2 and one who's about 5 to help Jan out in her inhouse daycare. I wound up singing it to somebody almost 2 and somebody 98 on the same day. Covering the waterfront. What do they say? I think it's "Don't sweat the small stuff. And it's all small stuff." Certainly the PC stuff is. |
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Subject: RE: BS: St. Patty's Day? From: GUEST,leeneia Date: 18 Mar 13 - 02:05 PM Thanks for the message, Ron. We celebrated with a dinner for 17 with music afterwards. (the non-musicians played dominoes and listened.) We did Green Bushes, After the Battle of Aughrim, Huna Blentyn, Winnifred (Una), June Apple and Si Bheag Si More, among others. Meanwhile, why should anybody care (or pretend to care) that some kid who is 1000 miles from Ireland doesn't know how to spell Paddy? So what? What are they supposed to do, stay in their cubicles and behind the fast-food counters all year, never to go out, find the other twenty-somethings and be goofy? I say that green plastic hats between consenting adults are okay, as long as nobody gets hurt. People, beware the modern tendency to be earnest. Too much earnestness makes you tired and boring. It also costs money that could be spent making music. |
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Subject: RE: BS: St. Patty's Day? From: GUEST,Ed Date: 18 Mar 13 - 03:15 PM We did Green Bushes Erm, that's an English song. Oh dear... |
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Subject: RE: BS: St. Patty's Day? From: Elmore Date: 18 Mar 13 - 08:05 PM Hope everybody has a happy St. Joseph's Day tomorrow. Don't drink too much. |
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Subject: RE: BS: St. Patty's Day? From: Noreen Date: 18 Mar 13 - 08:13 PM ...and Suo Gan(Huna Blentyn) is Welsh and June Apple is American old time (don't know what Winnifred (Una) is). No doubt it is too 'earnest' to point this out too- I'm sure you all had a wonderful time :) There has obviously been enough divergence in the March 17th traditions on either side of the Atlantic that the US festival has been given it's own name. At American 'St Patty's Day' celebrations, you eat corned beef, drink green beer, sing a song about a unicorn (and English and Welsh songs), all of which are foreign to Ireland and the celebration of St Patrick's Day. (In Liverpool we'd just say 'Happy feast' and wear great bunches of shamrock pinned to our school shirts. In later years it was great pans of spare ribs in the Cottage on Derby Road at lunchtime, followed by the best ceili ever at Bootle Town Hall.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: St. Patty's Day? From: GUEST,mg Date: 18 Mar 13 - 08:20 PM We called in St. Patrick's Day and sang tin pan alley songs and ate ice cream with shamrocks in it. There was a standard collection of songs that we sang that people now feel free to make fun of. Oh well, I wouldn't make fun of Italians singing their songs. Or Greenlanders or Nigerians. |
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Subject: RE: BS: St. Patty's Day? From: gnu Date: 18 Mar 13 - 08:24 PM Welsh songs are foreign to Irish? Hmmmmmmm. Whatever. leeneia... hehehehehoee! |
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Subject: RE: BS: St. Patty's Day? From: GUEST,mg Date: 18 Mar 13 - 08:27 PM And here is what I wore..my kiss me I'm Irish T-shirt, a green sweater, a tatoo that a teenager insisted I wear and that would wash off but didn't and a lovely green veil like the Queen of the May would wear. I tried not to gild the lily, although all my fingernails are green. I do not own a tiara, although I would like one, especially the ones that flash. I had the opportunity to also have a tutu but thought that would be too much with the veil. I did see a woman with a flashing green pelvis and I thought for sure that was too much. Some people had beautiful green jewels that probably glowed in the dark. Some had more felt-like hats. I do not believe any were plastic. I like Irish jewelry because it is often quite affordable and in the right light it looks like real emeralds. |
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Subject: RE: BS: St. Patty's Day? From: Ron Davies Date: 18 Mar 13 - 09:59 PM Oh, c'mon people. Who cares how anybody celebrates as long as they have a good time and nobody gets (physically) hurt? If somebody thinks a song confirms a stereotype, somehow I think they can survive. They sure had a good time at our celebration. Just like people had a good time at our Mardi Gras pub crawl. We sang stuff they could join in with--French drinking songs with easy choruses, Let the Good Times Roll, etc. Somebody came in off the street and threw a clarinet break into a song. Somebody else came in and played a trumpet. Totally unplanned. St. Patrick wasn't even Irish--he came from Roman Britain. And what difference should that make? Are we really going to get into a more-Irish-than-thou contest? What a spectacular waste of time. |
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Subject: RE: BS: St. Patty's Day? From: Noreen Date: 18 Mar 13 - 10:12 PM gnu- are you suggesting that Welsh songs are the same as Irish?? |
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Subject: RE: BS: St. Patty's Day? From: GUEST,leeneia Date: 19 Mar 13 - 12:03 AM I quit worrying about the 'origin' of traditional tunes a while back. If a tune's good enough, the Irish, the Scots, the English and the Appalachians (whatever they may be, exactly) all claim it. When we play music, we have a tune for dessert. Thus we may have an early-music session, but might end with a polka. Whatever it is, it must be different from everything else. That's how June Apple got in. Wordsworth had a phrase for it, "unity in multeity." |
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Subject: RE: BS: St. Patty's Day? From: Ron Davies Date: 19 Mar 13 - 01:31 PM "foreign to Ireland" One more word in defense of the "Unicorn". So the "Unicorn" was written by a Jewish American songwriter and made famous by a Canadian group. Whimsy, magic, humor, and telling a good story: an argument could be made that the song, which has all the above, has a strong Irish flavor, since these are among the best of Irish culture. No wonder Irish- American pubs have adopted it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: St. Patty's Day? From: Ron Davies Date: 19 Mar 13 - 02:15 PM Ah yes, and the gestures don't hurt either. |
