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Subject: BS: Warning: guns. BRAVO La Belle Province!! From: gnu Date: 07 Dec 12 - 03:01 PM Quebec to create own long-gun gun registry THE CANADIAN PRESS QUEBEC - The Quebec government marked the anniversary of Canada's worst mass shooting by reiterating its intention to create its own gun registry. Public Security Minister Stephane Bergeron said in a statement yesterday it will happen once Ottawa turns over Quebec data that was in the now-defunct federal longgun registry. Alexa Conradi, president of the Quebec Women's Federation, welcomed the confir mation that the province will proceed with its own gun registry. 'Controlling firear ms is a really important and essential aspect of fighting violence against women,' she said at a rally in front of the Montreal courthouse yesterday. Conradi made her comments as several dozen people commemorated the 23rd anniversary of the killing of 14 women at the Ecole polytechnique in 1989. France Bourgault, one of the organizers, said the courthouse was chosen because, according to her, the judicial system and the state are unable to guarantee the safety of women. While Conradi welcomed Bergeron's statement, she was still worried about the impact of the Conservative government's decision to abolish the federal registry. ************************************************************* Other good news. PM Harper (in a VERY, VERY RARE moment of sanity) said that his government will NOT decrease restrictions on prohibited weapons! Bravo... if we can trust the two-timing, break his OWN damn laws, SOYKW. Bad news. He still intends to destroy all the registration information with respect to long guns in the rest of Canada. WTF is wrong here? Over $2B to get the info and he is gonna trash most of it? And I gotta baaaad feeling about this horseshit. As soon as the Liberals get back in, I am gonna have to go through the whole bunch of useless twaddle all over again and pay through the nose next time while criminals just salivate over that horseshit. The "warning" in the title is about what I know is gonna happen herein. A whole bunch of posters who don't have a clue about Canucks or Yanks who own guns and about Canuck gun laws are gonna post inane shit. Please, if you posted a hundred inane posts to the other hundred gun threads, try to leave them there, eh? Yeah, sure. Who am I kidding? Bravo QUEBEC! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Warning: guns. BRAVO La Belle Province!! From: GUEST,999 Date: 07 Dec 12 - 03:06 PM Bravo, maybe, but it will mean Quebecers have to shell out once again but instead of the feds it will be to this government. Everything of this nature is a money grab in La Belle Province. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Warning: guns. BRAVO La Belle Province!! From: gnu Date: 07 Dec 12 - 03:30 PM 9?... but, the info is there. The tech is there done and it works. It's simply a matter of hiring staff and office space. Hopefully, the Acadians hired to this job in NB can be transferred to do that job and not lose their jobs. HAHAHAHHAAAA... and I mean that in a VERY cynical way. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Warning: guns. BRAVO La Belle Province!! From: GUEST,olddude Date: 07 Dec 12 - 03:46 PM criminals will be thrilled cause they will be the only ones with firearms |
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Subject: RE: BS: Warning: guns. BRAVO La Belle Province!! From: Jack the Sailor Date: 07 Dec 12 - 03:48 PM Quebec can be funny too. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Warning: guns. BRAVO La Belle Province!! From: gnu Date: 07 Dec 12 - 03:54 PM Dan... ahhhh... no... the destruction of the registry data will be outside Quebec. So, it only means that the mafia and bike gangs and petty criminals in Quebec will be the "only ones with firearms" and, yes, that is well addressed on many other threads. Further, don't get me wrong, Dan... I understand and agree with you on that technical point for the most part IF Canuck gun laws were taken to an extreme level but there's more to it than your post addresses. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Warning: guns. BRAVO La Belle Province!! From: Jack the Sailor Date: 07 Dec 12 - 04:03 PM Won't everyone who is registered is the database as having firearms, and not lied about it or disposed of them, also have firearms? What have I missed? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Warning: guns. BRAVO La Belle Province!! From: gnu Date: 07 Dec 12 - 04:15 PM I don't understand the bases of your question, JtS. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Warning: guns. BRAVO La Belle Province!! From: Jack the Sailor Date: 07 Dec 12 - 04:18 PM Is there anything in this law keeping law abiding people from having guns? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Warning: guns. BRAVO La Belle Province!! From: GUEST,999 Date: 07 Dec 12 - 04:34 PM No, Jack, there isn't. But the registry ended up costing big dollars and in fact it has done nothing useful. It simply lets government know who has what and how many declared guns. Legally buying a gun requires that the purchaser produce a FAC (firearm acquisition certificate) and proof to show you've taken and passed a course in gun safety. It has done nothing with regard to the 'bad guys' owning guns, but that was never its purpose that I'm aware of. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Warning: guns. BRAVO La Belle Province!! From: bobad Date: 07 Dec 12 - 05:08 PM The police forces like it and they are the ones most at risk when it comes to guns. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Warning: guns. BRAVO La Belle Province!! From: gnu Date: 07 Dec 12 - 07:00 PM Bobad, the police are not the most at risk when it comes to honest and law abiding folks owning guns. Just the opposite. Damn! We have been down this road for thousands of posts on many threads. GOOD gun laws are GOOD. BAD gun laws are BAD. Good gun laws are bad gun laws when ya spend TWO BILLION DOLLARS on them and then throw them away. THAT is my OP point. WTF is Harper thinking when he does this? My intention was not to discuss gun laws in general. It was to discuss why the SOMEWHAT positive CANUCK gun laws are being thrown away. Fact is, Canada did it and even though it put many Canucks (far more than any policeman) in harm's way because the whole package wasn't JUST about registration, why destroy the information gathered? If it helps police, GREAT! But, the laws that harm Canucks are still on the books. It seems NObody gets it but guys like 9, me and the people who are not allowed to defend themselves, their families and their properties with a gun. And don't tell me that the police can do it. I have personal experience that they cannot (see past threads). So, my point for discussion is still the same. Why scrap the existing info? And, I'll go a step further than I did in the OP. PQ keeps their info. They get all the infrastructure. They get their registry up and running. The Liberals get back in power. They bring the registry back. Quebec gets to do it all over again and the rest of Canada has to register their guns again and it will cost more and a bunch of politicians and Quebec businessmen make a shitload of $$$ for absolutely no reason. Good gun laws are good. Bad gun laws make money for politicians and criminals. AND bad gun laws STILL put Canucks (not the police) in harm's way. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Warning: guns. BRAVO La Belle Province!! From: Rapparee Date: 07 Dec 12 - 10:00 PM Not being from or living in Canada (our 51st state, but they don't know it) I don't really have a knowledgeable opinion on this. But I agree: Good gun laws, well thought out and rationally considered, are good. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Warning: guns. BRAVO La Belle Province!! From: GUEST,999 Date: 07 Dec 12 - 10:48 PM Truthfully, I would not use a gun to defend myself, home, etc. I don't have any guns. ################################### "Crossbows that can be aimed and fired with one hand and crossbows with an overall length of 500 mm or less are prohibited. You cannot lawfully possess or acquire a prohibited crossbow. You do not need a valid licence or registration certificate to possess any other type of bow, including a crossbow that is longer than 500 mm and that requires the use of both hands. Criminal Code provisions making it an offence to acquire a crossbow without a valid licence were never brought into force." Crossbows have the added benefit of being quieter than guns. ################################### Bobad is correct, Gnu. About 80% of police support the gun registry for various and varying reasons. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Warning: guns. BRAVO La Belle Province!! From: GUEST,999 Date: 07 Dec 12 - 10:59 PM Link worth reading for those interested in the thread topic. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Warning: guns. BRAVO La Belle Province!! From: gnu Date: 07 Dec 12 - 11:36 PM 9... I did not say bobad was incorrect as per what you think I said. Respectfully - apples and oranges. Don't matter to me what anyone thinks about what I actually said, including any police. What I said was what I said. I did not say anything of the sort implied, 9. I could be wrong but you'll have to explain it to me tomorrow when I have slept and awoken refreshed and of sound mind... hopefully. As far as crossbows, they are illegal here in NB for hunting. But, they are being sold within walking distance of me. SICK SHIT and it should be addressed IMMEDIATELY! ALL crossbows. If ya can't use em to hunt, they are only good for two things and should ALL be classified as restricted weapons. I realize that bows are another can of worms but my intention was to discuss Harper taking us backward with detroying the gun registry records save PQ. I NEVER supported the long gun registry but, if it helps the police in any way, why destroy it after we spent so much $$$? gnightfernowgnu |
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Subject: RE: BS: Warning: guns. BRAVO La Belle Province!! From: GUEST,999 Date: 07 Dec 12 - 11:46 PM "In New Brunswick crossbows may be used by certified hunters during all hunting seasons except for the deer archery season and for hunting migratory game birds." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Warning: guns. BRAVO La Belle Province!! From: GUEST,999 Date: 08 Dec 12 - 11:02 AM " . . . crossbows. If ya can't use em to hunt, they are only good for two things and should ALL be classified as restricted weapons." All weapons of the projectile variety are good for three things, gnu: Hanging on the wall, target shooting, hunting animals/people. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Warning: guns. BRAVO La Belle Province!! From: katlaughing Date: 08 Dec 12 - 11:40 AM FWIW: I felt a bit ashamed. When i heard about the man who went into his dad's classroom at the college of which several family members are alums, and shot his dad in the head with a compound bow he'd smuggled in, in a blanket, my first thought was at least he wasn't able to spray the students with bullets. As it was, the father fended him off long enough for the students to get out, all while he was dying from the arrow in his head. The son then stabbed himself to death with the same knife he'd used about an hour earlier to kill another professor, the partner of his father, at their home. It was horrible, but at least, like in Marion Zimmer Bradley's "Darkover" series, with weapons where one has to be up close and personal, the son wasn't able to harm more folks. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Warning: guns. BRAVO La Belle Province!! From: Jack the Sailor Date: 08 Dec 12 - 01:02 PM 9 there are a lot of weapons designed to kill people that are not good for hunting anything. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Warning: guns. BRAVO La Belle Province!! From: GUEST,999 Date: 08 Dec 12 - 01:12 PM I agree, but that is not what I said or implied. I was referring to projectile weapons only. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Warning: guns. BRAVO La Belle Province!! From: gnu Date: 08 Dec 12 - 07:37 PM 9! HOLY SHIT! After I read your post, I went to the NB DNR website and found a whole page (booklet) devoted to... CROSSBOW hunting in NB! I haven't hunted in years but, when I did, crossbows were HIGHLY illegal! I am taken aback! And pissed off to NO end! That is just WRONG! But, if I still hunted and I still had my camp, I wouldn't shout that out loud. >;-) For anyone who doesn't know what I mean by that last statement, go hug a tree. Hug a bunch and work up an appetite for deer steaks and pancakes! Gonna keep the wardens a lot safer, eh? If ya don't know what I mean by that, stay in the city and hug a lamp post. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Warning: guns. BRAVO La Belle Province!! From: gnu Date: 09 Dec 12 - 07:04 AM Got two emails so I will explain the last statement. Bows are silent so jackers won't get reported or heard by wardens. In turn, the wardens wll not be able to go after them and that part of the job can be VERY dangerous. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Warning: guns. BRAVO La Belle Province!! From: Stilly River Sage Date: 10 Dec 12 - 12:09 AM So bows are illegal because they're silent and wardens can't hear them? Even though it seems a more ethical form of hunting for various reasons like giving a more sporting chance to the game animal being hunted? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Warning: guns. BRAVO La Belle Province!! From: Jack the Sailor Date: 10 Dec 12 - 03:33 AM I believe you underestimate clumsiness most hunters. The animals have sporting chance unless the hunter is really skilled and knows the area. If that is the case it is just harvesting, gun or bow. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Warning: guns. BRAVO La Belle Province!! From: GUEST,999 Date: 10 Dec 12 - 08:25 AM Ethics for hunters who are ethical means the first shot with whatever weapon is used kills the animal fast. What gnu was surprised at was that crossbows which were illegal in his younger days in New Brunswick are no longer illegal for the purpose of hunting. In the hands of a skilled shooter an appropriately powerful crossbow or compound bow are just as deadly as a rifle out to about 150 feet. Deer, moose, beef cattle are all forms of meat (protein). Usually the first two are killed in the bush and the latter in a slaughterhouse. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Warning: guns. BRAVO La Belle Province!! From: Sandy Mc Lean Date: 10 Dec 12 - 12:04 PM Crossbow bolts and other hunting arrows are designed to bleed an animal to death unlike a bullet's often instant kill. The lung is often regarded as the best target area and this requires tracking skill to find the wounded animal. They are therefore not much use for illegal night hunting (jacking) because tracking at night is not a good plan. Game wardens catch most jackers by their flashlight beam or by using decoy animals for entrapment. I own no guns and have not hunted for many years but I have done too much in my youth. Today my thrill is to catch wild animals through a camera lens rather than a gunsight. As for the long-gun registration I am unsure that anything was ever useful that came from it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Warning: guns. BRAVO La Belle Province!! From: GUEST,999 Date: 10 Dec 12 - 12:22 PM You're right, Sandy. The bullet does the same thing lots faster. Present-day crossbow for hunting. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Warning: guns. BRAVO La Belle Province!! From: ollaimh Date: 11 Dec 12 - 12:29 PM the plain fact is canada has less than a tenth the per capita murder rate that the united states. that['s because we control guns. got it!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Warning: guns. BRAVO La Belle Province!! From: gnu Date: 11 Dec 12 - 04:57 PM Ahhh... no, no and no. If a jacker (hunting at night... hunting without a licence on accounta you are taking more game than alowed) uses a crossbow, his range is much further than the max 60m for older compound bows. Modern compond bows can be used further than 60m but require GREAT skill. Modern crossbows can easily be used, depending on windage, to 150m. So, the sporting chance is not an issue. As for night jackers being detected by flashlight use, yes, that can be the case but most jackers are detected by sound of weapon discharge, whether it be by wardens or by people who inform warders of same. Of course, flashlights do come into play afterward and so does stopping vehicles or persons exiting woods for the purpose of inspecting them. Rather difficult to clean ALL the blood of one's clothes, hands... under one's fingernails... pick off all the needles and such on clothes and shoes, etc. As for tracking at night. Not a problem if you are well back where flashlights don't matter. But any jacker worth his weight in salt licks shoots his deer no more than four hours before sunrise and takes off immediately. Minds me of some lads that jacked a moose. Felled it on the spot and that spot was not visible. One shot. Drove on and ditched the rifle (I assume they did even if they were amateurs). The wardens saw their vehicle lights as they came out of a logging road and headed down the main road. The wardens went in and scanned both sides of the road with their handheld spotlights (100,000 candle power at least... they are cheap and jackers use em a lot) around the area where they guessed the shot was fired and saw what they were looking for. Now, I'll try to put thia as delicately as possible for the squeamish... when you clock a moose properly, it the shoulder, with a high powered rifle, something happens and, in cold night air, the resulting steam rises. The wardens found a HUGE bull and one of them carved his intitals and the date on the inside of one of the hooves. Next day, these clowns arrived at the registration station and guess what happened! $2000 bucks each, record each, truck gone, $25,000 travel trailer gone, all rifles gone... moose gone to old folks home. Re gun versus bow. Gun is humane IF it is a "clean shot". Bow is humane if it is a clean shot... if so, the animal doesn't even know it has been shot and simply feels tired and lays down and goes to sleep. But, ever time you pull the trigger on a gun or loose an arrow, you can't be absolutely sure a claen shot will be made. The success rate with a gun is higher. Using a crossbow increases the the success rate over a bow. That's why I would use a crossbow for jacking deer if I was so inclined. Never jacked a deer but if I still hunted and still had my camp, I would consult Arthur Itis in my consideration of doing so. >;-) OH! I got a great one! Told it before on another thread. Buddy jacked a moose in late November. Hid the meat under the floorboards of his camp. Black bear smelled it, knocked the door in, tore up the floor, ate a bunch and couldn't knock the door that closed behind him back thru the door jamb so he went out the "picture window" and cut himself badly. Died in the yard. Wardens saw the ravens and investigated. Busted! Lost the camp, $2000, record, gun of his choice gone. Stories abound... maybe there's a book... songs? Maybe an educational video about how to jack deer? I can think of some good titles.>;-) |
