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Subject: BS: what a crock of shite From: olddude Date: 29 Nov 12 - 08:41 AM So I go to a follow up visit to a urologist, I get a PA not ever the doctor. "how do you Dan" I am fine, "good" call us if you get feeling bad again. 15 seconds ... 345 bucks geeze what a racket. I am spoiled, my surgeon buddie charges me nothing. He is the head of surgery for a big hospital doc of internal medicine. I set up his office network and software, won't take a dime from me ... 345 bucks to this guys PA for nothing ... yikes .. a total racket, whats worse is I have to drive over an hour to get their at 7 Am nope won't go back |
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Subject: RE: BS: what a crock of shite From: kendall Date: 29 Nov 12 - 08:50 AM These thieves are in cahoots with the insurance companies to screw us to the wall. The only answer is, NATIONAL HEALTH INSURANCE like the UK. |
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Subject: RE: BS: what a crock of shite From: Will Fly Date: 29 Nov 12 - 08:50 AM That IS shite, Dan! My wife has had a whole raft of procedures recently - CT scans, tests, etc. All paid for by the state through all our regular National Insurance contributions. What a dangerous system we have over here, eh? |
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Subject: RE: BS: what a crock of shite From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 29 Nov 12 - 08:54 AM amazing, if the PA charges that, what does the Doctor charge! sandra (living with a similarly dangerous system) |
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Subject: RE: BS: what a crock of shite From: Jack Campin Date: 29 Nov 12 - 08:58 AM Why not try writing to the insurance company and report that as fraud? |
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Subject: RE: BS: what a crock of shite From: GUEST,Fred McCormick Date: 29 Nov 12 - 08:59 AM The National Health Service is a wonderful institution, but we won't have it for much longer if people don't get out and fight for it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: what a crock of shite From: olddude Date: 29 Nov 12 - 09:04 AM When I sell an expensive piece of software to a company, they buy it, if it breaks I fix it .. free ... you pay a doc once to fix something then you gotta keep paying them for follow up ... don't get it ... As far as the PA goes, I saw the doc the first time, same charge, now even if you get a PA, the charge is the same as if the doc saw you. I mean the guy didn't even check my blood pressure LOL come one 15 secs of office visit ... what a crock |
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Subject: RE: BS: what a crock of shite From: olddude Date: 29 Nov 12 - 09:26 AM and you guys are right, it is all about insurance legal fraud I think. My insurance will cover 300 bucks of that amount but that is not the point. We all pay higher and higher insurance rate because this stuff goes on everyday everywhere. When my doc buddie operates on someone, the follow up visits are free. It is part of the surgery that you originally paid for ... more and more of these other docs are out to line their pockets I think |
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Subject: RE: BS: what a crock of shite From: Elmore Date: 29 Nov 12 - 10:00 AM Of course we should have national health care, but I doubt if any of us will live to see it. That's an entitlement. As far as some of the politicians are concerned nobody should get an entitlement, even if they're entitled to it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: what a crock of shite From: Pete Jennings Date: 29 Nov 12 - 10:18 AM Blimey, 345 dollars for a follow-up? A lot of people in the UK see fit to criticise the NHS, but they don't seem to think too hard about the alternative... |
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Subject: RE: BS: what a crock of shite From: Little Hawk Date: 29 Nov 12 - 11:00 AM It's shameful, Dan. If you were living in Canada, that visit would have been free. And the portion of your taxes that would have gone into our national health plan each year would have been LESS than the portion of your taxes that goes into the USA's yearly budget to cover health-related stuff! But you still have to pay the doctor $345 for nothing anyway. Entitlement? Hell, yes! Any country which doesn't think its public is entitled to free universal health coverage through a government-run public health plan is living in the Dark Ages. |
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Subject: RE: BS: what a crock of shite From: Rapparee Date: 29 Nov 12 - 11:03 AM The only entitlements Congress passes are those for Congress. Me? I figure I paid for my Medicare, Social Security, retirement pensions, and VA disability. I'm as "entitled" to it as I am to my car -- which I also paid for. |
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Subject: RE: BS: what a crock of shite From: Ed T Date: 29 Nov 12 - 12:18 PM Shite is when it hits the ground (like meteorite). It is just shit while still in the air (like meteor). Before it hits your face it is pronounced like "meteor shower", not like "meteorite shower", (when it hits your face). :) |
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Subject: RE: BS: what a crock of shite From: GUEST,Stim Date: 29 Nov 12 - 12:41 PM So, not to put too fine a point on it, but actually, Dan, you only paid $45 for the follow-up visit. What did the insurance company actually pay? They often pay either a fraction of the "bill to patient" amount is, or they pay a flat rate, based on the procedures performed. One of my children has a chronic health problem, and there have been many doctor and hospital visits over the years. Once, due to a billing error(wrong code for a procedure) the insurance company refused to pay a bill for $2500 and we were sued for the full amount by the hospital--after the lawyers got involved,and about a week before the court date, the insurance company agreed to pay the bill, which, based on their fee scale for that procedure, was $450. If they hadn't payed, we would have been responsible for the whole amount. I was gobsmacked. Unfortunately, it's a numbers game, and health care shouldn't be like that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: what a crock of shite From: GUEST,olddude Date: 29 Nov 12 - 01:38 PM Stim the first visit my insurance paid 300 left me with 45, same on this one, however the point is, that is why our insurance is so expensive. I mean who can justify that price for 15 seconds of doing nothing ... no wonder our health care is going to pot right. We eventually all pay when this stuff occurs. Insurance companies don't lose money, they make a heck of a lot of it ... so they raise their rates on everyone to cover the unnecessary billing. It really is legal fraud I think |
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Subject: RE: BS: what a crock of shite From: Leadfingers Date: 29 Nov 12 - 01:46 PM Last time I needed my GP I had tweaked a muscle in my chest and had an uncomfortable weekend . Into the surgery Monday am , appointment for 1430 that afternoon , and by 1630 I was home with an analgesic ointment . Total cost ? NOTHING - Not even the prescription as its free for over sixties ! Thank Beveridge for the Welfare State and the N H S ! |
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Subject: RE: BS: what a crock of shite From: gnu Date: 29 Nov 12 - 03:44 PM I reported a similar thing to Blue Cross re a phsio clinic. They thanked me VERY much in a letter. Didn't reduce my costs but it made me feel better... mentally. |
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Subject: RE: BS: what a crock of shite From: Richard Bridge Date: 29 Nov 12 - 03:50 PM Ironic if the USA is headed for what Scameron and Hunt the er- you know - are dismantling |
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Subject: RE: BS: what a crock of shite From: Sandy Mc Lean Date: 29 Nov 12 - 03:51 PM So sorry Dan! Obama tried to fix this but he was shot down by lies published on American media by the big drug and insurance companies. The sad part is that the American people seem to have bought this shit. Everyone in the USA should be required to watch SICKO at least once! I hope that your return to good health is swift! SICKO This "Pinko" from the socialist wasteland north of your border has a problem understanding why a great nation such as the USA remains so obtuse regarding national health care. |
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Subject: RE: BS: what a crock of shite From: Charmion Date: 29 Nov 12 - 04:22 PM All you Brits and Canadians who brag on your free health care should bite your tongues -- it's not free. We pay for it through our taxes. That said, we get good value for our money. |
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Subject: RE: BS: what a crock of shite From: gnu Date: 29 Nov 12 - 05:49 PM Good point, Charmion. And, most Canucks who cite free health care are not from a "lesser" province. Waiting months and years for health care here in NB is a "tradeoff". It's far more complicated here. The Brits seem to have it far more "right" than the Canucks. My buddy was declared healthy here in NB. Went to work in BC. Went to hospital. Yer sick. He came home and he was dead in less than a year. Maybe he should have stayed in BC? |
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Subject: RE: BS: what a crock of shite From: catspaw49 Date: 29 Nov 12 - 09:05 PM While I have a lot of respect for really good Docs, I also have to remember that the guy who was last in his class at medical school is still addressed as "Doctor." Many of them also believe that the "M.D." behind their name means "Major Deity." Also note that they are given a license to practice because they need all the practice they can get. Now while I realize there is an unfathomable amount to learn about the human body, they get respect and are well paid for their efforts. Spending many years as an auto mechanic, many of us are excellent in our jobs but get virtually no respect. And while we do our best to get it right the first time we get a load of crap if we don't. We don't, contrary to popular belief, get paid anywhere near what a medico makes. I might also point out that while there are hundreds of makes and models of autos, there are only two models of the human body. The humans can talk, the cars cannot. Also, damn near every man thinks he knows all about cars which is demonstrably untrue as most can't tell the difference between an alternator and a carburetor on the best day they ever had. I could go on but that'll do.....I love my Docs and when I get a loser, I ditch 'em asap. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: what a crock of shite From: olddude Date: 29 Nov 12 - 09:53 PM Spaw amen to that |
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Subject: RE: BS: what a crock of shite From: Sandy Mc Lean Date: 29 Nov 12 - 10:01 PM Spaw, without a carburetor we know that the car can't go burrrrrrrr. Without the alternator working the car can still burr but only on alternate dates. |
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Subject: RE: BS: what a crock of shite From: GUEST,olddude Date: 29 Nov 12 - 10:43 PM You got it Sandy, you can work on my car anytime cause you know how the work ... :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: what a crock of shite From: gnu Date: 29 Nov 12 - 10:53 PM Sandy... yer cuttin the grass again! Hehehehee. On a roll, ye are. Ye on the craic? Don't answer that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: what a crock of shite From: Leadfingers Date: 30 Nov 12 - 07:45 AM Sadly the majority of American Voters seem to have been brainwashed that ANYTHING that has a 'Socialist' tag is next to Totalitarian Communism - I am FULLY aware that my 'Free' Health treatment is what I paid out for during my fifty years of paid work - The National Insurance stamp deducted from pay isnt really noticed by the worker , but risking bankruptcy for NOT having any health Insurance has been noticed by FAR too many Americans . |
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Subject: RE: BS: what a crock of shite From: Charmion Date: 30 Nov 12 - 08:34 AM I was 11 years old when Medicare came to Ontario, and I remember the relief it brought very clearly. My mother's poor health kept my family on the edge of financial disaster all through my childhood. But difficult as it was for us, we knew lots of people who had it much worse. My mother once told me about how a neighbour, a farmer's wife, described the impact of her daughter's cerebral palsy on the family: "Well, you know, Debbie [not her real name] very nearly put us on the road." |
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Subject: RE: BS: what a crock of shite From: ollaimh Date: 30 Nov 12 - 10:57 PM you are paying them for their knowledge. i remember when i was a criminal defence lawyer i had a client who was pissed off that i got am aquital in the first hour of trial. the crwon made a major mistake and i was on my hind legs like jack in the box with a motion to dismiss, the judge dismissed the case. the client was pissed that i charged him for the whole day. i informed him i billed by the days in trial and any part of a day in court was a billable day. i told him well i could have dragged ot out for five days and you get a conviction, then you'd reaqlly get your money's worth. you pat professionals for the knowledge and education , not for how long they take to do their job. some things are quick to those who know. and for those without the knowledge they could never get a correct result no matter how long they worked at it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: what a crock of shite From: Charmion Date: 01 Dec 12 - 11:46 AM I remember with pleasure how I earned a full day's research fee for half an hour's work at the National Archives because I knew exactly where to look in a divisional war diary for a particular monthly return. I could, of course, turn it the other way up and lament the years of military service and education in history it took me to learn that one weird old fact, which netted a mere one-day research fee and not a penny more. |
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Subject: RE: BS: what a crock of shite From: olddude Date: 01 Dec 12 - 11:54 AM Oll yup and people pay me for my knowledge of software also .. But at least I do something. A PA that asked me how I am feeling then kicks me out the door for 345 dollars isn't doing their job. Could have at least checked, looked at the chart .. did something ... instead I get well if you feel sick again give the doc a call ... that is fraud. Now I have charged clients for how to phone calls, but they got something for their money, I will talk them through something or check something .. not just you called pay me |
