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Subject: BS: Getting back into painting... From: Bobert Date: 27 Nov 12 - 10:59 PM It's been 30 years since I last painted but the urge has gotten the best of me... I visited an art supply business this past weekend and checked out prices for paint... Yikes!!! $30 for an 8 ounce tube of oil paint??? No way... So I have 7 canvases I'm going to work... Acrylic... No color... All black and white paintings... Cheap, cheap, cheap... All old blues players... We'll see if I still have the skills... No matter... Goin' to be interesting... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Getting back into painting... From: Janie Date: 27 Nov 12 - 11:13 PM Go for it, Beaubear. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Getting back into painting... From: Don Firth Date: 27 Nov 12 - 11:21 PM Good on yah!!! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Getting back into painting... From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 28 Nov 12 - 02:42 AM always good to see someone get back to their creativity! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Getting back into painting... From: Crowhugger Date: 28 Nov 12 - 02:56 AM Yep the prices these days are scary especially if you have old prices stuck in memory! For a large project, the art supply store sent my mother to a hardware store for high-end wall paint. Worked well. Not a perfect substitute for every application but great for her purposes. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Getting back into painting... From: Musket Date: 28 Nov 12 - 03:48 AM I thought about it, but got a decorator in instead |
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Subject: RE: BS: Getting back into painting... From: Bobert Date: 28 Nov 12 - 07:01 AM Got started on the first drawing last night... John Lee Hooker...Was surprised to find that my drawing skills are intact... I'll work each up in a large sketch book before moving to the canvas... The area I'm going to work is a room off of the garage... It is unheated but I have a propane heater and can get it warm enough to work in... I have gotten to become good friend with the owner of a great gallery in Charlotte so if I need a kick in the pants I can always go see her... LOL... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Getting back into painting... From: GUEST,Black Belt Caterpillar Wrestler Date: 28 Nov 12 - 07:21 AM Retirement is now looking large and I am looking to re-start my artistic ventures; once the DIY is done, say about 2 years:( |
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Subject: RE: BS: Getting back into painting... From: Henry Krinkle Date: 28 Nov 12 - 07:46 AM You can paint my house. I already stripped a couple of hundred pounds of lead based paint off of it. =(:-( )) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Getting back into painting... From: freda underhill Date: 28 Nov 12 - 07:50 AM Great news Bobert - I hope you post images so we can see them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Getting back into painting... From: GUEST,leeneia Date: 28 Nov 12 - 11:01 AM bobert, you have so many skills, it's amazing. I hope your paintings work out and give you pleasure. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Getting back into painting... From: Bobert Date: 28 Nov 12 - 11:47 AM Well, Plan B... I went out and checked that space in the garage and decided that I'd be better off working in my old 1953 30 ft Spartanette trailer that used to be my music studio... I've been in it this morning stapling heavy clear plastic over the windows (inside) and pushing stuff around... It kinda has heat... I definitely has air conditioning... I have a propane portable heater which I can use to get it warm and then run the baseboard that I wired into it years ago to maintain it and let it get cold at night... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Getting back into painting... From: Jack the Sailor Date: 28 Nov 12 - 11:51 AM If you are still painting in May, June, July, August, Sept, you will probably miss the cold. Rembrandt just wore gloves. :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Getting back into painting... From: Pete Jennings Date: 28 Nov 12 - 11:53 AM You and me both, Bobs, back to basics! I'm fed up with Conceptualism, which is over-theorised to the point of the theory being contrived. Geez, some of the pretentious stuff I've heard over the past two-and-a-bit years (masters course) you would not believe. I almost fell for it myself (well, enough to get through). I've got some cataloguing, sorry, sorting out piles of drawings, prints, etc, and some photography to do first, but then it's easel and brushes out...got some ideas stored up. Go to it! Pete |
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Subject: RE: BS: Getting back into painting... From: frogprince Date: 28 Nov 12 - 01:20 PM Looked at the thread title and thought, "I bet that's Bobert". Yep. Will look forward to you showing us some good stuff. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Getting back into painting... From: katlaughing Date: 28 Nov 12 - 01:39 PM me, too, frogprince, i just knew it was Bobert. From the exquisite pen and ink he gave me, i eagerly await seeing more. Very talented, indeed. Poe used to keep a bowl of hot water (over a candle?) to dip his fingers in to warm them up whilst writing. i was so enamoured, i did the same thing as a kid; there was no heat in my bedroom. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Getting back into painting... From: olddude Date: 28 Nov 12 - 02:07 PM A few years ago you showed me one of your pencil sketches, from someone who collects art you have a gift my brother. I can't wait to see what you are doing now ... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Getting back into painting... From: Bobert Date: 28 Nov 12 - 05:26 PM Speaking of easels??? I sold mine when we moved to NC... Heck, I hadn't used it since the late 70s so why move it again... Right??? Turns out that was the wrong thing to do... I'm going to make a new one with my own "Bobert friendly" design... I gotta a few ideas that will help me deal with the slight tremor that I've had for the last 20 years... I found some canvas that is still usable after all these years... I can get two canvases out of what I found... I make my own stretchers... I understand that Gesso is fine for both oil and acrylic... I found about 30 brushes... I found an entire box of drawing pencils (maybe 100 of them) of all different hardnesses... Kinda fun... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Getting back into painting... From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 28 Nov 12 - 08:01 PM freda uses coloured pencils for her art - CD cover by freda |
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Subject: RE: BS: Getting back into painting... From: Bobert Date: 28 Nov 12 - 08:09 PM I like it... Very nice... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Getting back into painting... From: ChanteyLass Date: 28 Nov 12 - 11:30 PM Go for it, Bobert! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Getting back into painting... From: Henry Krinkle Date: 29 Nov 12 - 03:28 AM I think you should do a weekly cartoon and post it here. =(:-( )) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Getting back into painting... From: Pete Jennings Date: 29 Nov 12 - 07:46 AM Starting to sound like a kid let loose in a toy shop - canvas, 30 brushes and a hundred pencils! You probably know all this but here goes. A couple of coats of gesso works for both oil and acrylic: if you want a smooth surface let it dry and give each coat a once-over with fine sandpaper. For the tremor you need to make a mahl stick: a stick (stout twig from your favourite tree?) or a steel rod with a sponge or foam ball on one end covered with a strip from a car-cleaning chamois does the job real cheap. A tightly wrapped elastic band is even cheaper than chamois. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Getting back into painting... From: Bobert Date: 29 Nov 12 - 08:54 AM Yeah, Peter... I didn't know that it this device was called a "mahl stick" but I know that sign painters use such a device with a tennis ball on one end... It takes a flat surface behind the canvas though and so last night I drew up plans for building an easel that will be like a big "drafting table"... As for cartoons??? If I had the computer skills I would post cartoons... I've been drawing them since the 60's... When I was a social worker I did so many of them about clients, co-workers, politics, etc and had them on my wall behind my desk... Co-workers would bring visitors to my office to check out "the wall"... Oh, and BTW, Krinkx... When it comes to cartoons your posts are cartoonish... No offense... They are mostly entertaining... No depth but you know that... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Getting back into painting... From: Henry Krinkle Date: 29 Nov 12 - 09:03 AM Can't you just photograph them and post them? =(:-( )) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Getting back into painting... From: Pete Jennings Date: 29 Nov 12 - 09:45 AM No, Kranky, we can't post images to this site. Think of the disc space and the processing power it would need...best that can be done is to post a website address. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Getting back into painting... From: Bobert Date: 29 Nov 12 - 06:32 PM I might have mentioned that I am going to be doing work up sketches before going to canvas and doing them in pencil... Problem is is that this series of paintings are on the dark side... No, not content but color (or lack thereof)... Pencil is time consuming so I stopped in my favorite art supply shop today and discovered "Art Graf" which is graphite that is applied like water colors... Hey, if it works it will sane me hours of tedious pencil work... Seems like so cool stuff... Not cheap... $17 for tin about 1/6 the size of a shoe polish tin... Yo, Krinkx... PM me with yer addie and I'll send you a couple of old Bobert cartoons next time I'm in the trunk that my old drawings are stored in... Problem is that it doubles as my office table, has a heavy piece of glass on top of it which is covered with a lot of my stuff... But I will send you a couple... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Getting back into painting... From: Bobert Date: 29 Nov 12 - 07:46 PM BTW, for painters out there??? This "ArtGraf" is the shits... I just did in 5 minutes what would have taken hours on a work-up sketch... Great stuff... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Getting back into painting... From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 29 Nov 12 - 11:03 PM Bobert - check out My Opera for an easy-to-use photo website. It also had a lot of space & is free! Mudcat has an account there & so do Kat, Bill D & me to name a few! sandra |
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Subject: RE: BS: Getting back into painting... From: Pete Jennings Date: 30 Nov 12 - 06:22 AM Is this a tin of the stuff, Bobs? I'd never heard of it but I've had water soluble coloured pencils for many a year. Pete. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Getting back into painting... From: Henry Krinkle Date: 30 Nov 12 - 06:54 AM Put your stuff where Sandra says. We can all see. =(:-( )) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Getting back into painting... From: Bobert Date: 30 Nov 12 - 08:36 AM Listen, ya'll give me too much credit... I don't even know how to get the pictures out of my digital camera into the computer... I don't know how to cut 'n paste... I'm not sure what a "file" is... I mean, yeah, I am pathetic... I need to go back to school and take a computer class but they are at night and I don't drive at night... I have to be driven to gigs... Is that pathetic, er what... Luckily I have a neighbor who has a cranky wife and until I moved here he never had an excuse to get away from her at night so... ...he's up for anything that get's him outta the house... I call him my "D.D." as in designated driver and he calls me "D.D." as in designated drinker... Yeah I like a couple three cold beers while I play but I ain't no drunk... I just don't do night drivin'... BTW, I'll be opening for Horsefly tonight at FINZ in Mathews Township... Roudy beer joint... But never mind my pathetic-ness... Yeah, Peter, that's the stuff... And I'm lovin' learning what it will do and not do... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Getting back into painting... From: Pete Jennings Date: 30 Nov 12 - 09:05 AM Well, I can get some from the US via Amazon. It's a cool £32.10 plus £10.61 delivery - that's $51 to you - so I ain't gonna be trying it any time soon! Have a good gig. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Getting back into painting... From: Bobert Date: 30 Nov 12 - 09:32 AM Thanks, Peter... I've been trying to get booked at FINZ for the last year but the guy who does the booking hears " solo blues player" and he thinks some sleepy Piedmont style player... But now that I've been getting gigs in around Concord the word has gotten out that style player ain't me... lol... BTW I just bought the tin and not everything that was in that picture... It cost me $17 and change with tax... The best part about it is that it looks as if this tin will last years... It doesn't take much to achieve a lot... I'm basically finished with my first work up of John Lee Hooker, have studied it, found things I want or need to change and will do a second, third, etc. until I am satisfied that it's ready for canvas... I have 6 blues artists in this first 7 painting series... I'll be doing two of John Lee Hooker because, frankly, I loved the guy... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Getting back into painting... From: Pete Jennings Date: 30 Nov 12 - 10:09 AM I saw John Lee Hooker at Birmingham (UK) Town Hall back in the seventies. It was some kind of travelling US bluesmen show. Prolly saw all the guys you're gonna paint... My grandad used to call me Peter the Painter (but everyone else sticks to Pete). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Getting back into painting... From: Bobert Date: 30 Nov 12 - 10:59 AM Back in the late 60s there was an event outside of Washington, D.C. at a place called Wolftrap Farm... It was called the National Folk Festival... The musicians would set up workshops under trees and teach (or try to teach) people about how to play their particular styles of music... I was not aware of John Lee Hooker at the time but attended one of those workshops and was completely overwhelmed by what this guy was doing so I just sat and listened to him... Years went by before I discovered John Lee Hooker and when I did all I could think, "Geeze, this guy sounds and plays just like that guy did back at that festival... Hmmmmmm???" I never found anyone that could confirm that it was JLH at that festival as it was such a long time ago but I'm in the 90% sure-range that it was based on the other folks who were there also performing and doing workshops, John Prine included... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Getting back into painting... From: Pete Jennings Date: 30 Nov 12 - 11:36 AM And I meant to say that the $51 (inc. delivery) was for the tin only - not the whole kit shown in the link... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Getting back into painting... From: Bobert Date: 30 Nov 12 - 12:16 PM Highway robbery, Peter... If ya' ever want me to buy you a tin let me know... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Getting back into painting... From: Henry Krinkle Date: 30 Nov 12 - 02:08 PM I saw John Lee back in the early 80's. Roy Rogers was in his band. Great show. I couldn't do anything with pics til I got a smartphone. Now I'm a near genius. =(:-( )) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Getting back into painting... From: Pete Jennings Date: 01 Dec 12 - 10:08 AM Thanks for the offer, Bobs, gotta a lot of stuff to do first. Pete. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Getting back into painting... From: Bobert Date: 05 Dec 12 - 09:09 PM FYI: The ArtGraf has its place but as a medium for black and white painting??? Nah... In the words of Steve Earle, "It'll get you into trouble but won't get you out"... I have one painting with it and looking at it and going, "Nah, I need white"... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Getting back into painting... From: Pete Jennings Date: 06 Dec 12 - 07:05 AM White oil pastel for the highlights will hold its colour on top of the Artgraf, Bobs, but you'll need to fix it. Guache is also opaque enough and cheaper (in the UK), and doesn't need fixing. I'm just applying gesso over a old used canvas (crap oil painting - had a real off day!). Looks like it's gonna take 3 coats, but the first coat only used up a big blob out of a one litre pot (£7.65) so it goes a long way. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Getting back into painting... From: Bobert Date: 06 Dec 12 - 09:05 AM Yes, I have discovered that the ArtGraf has it's limitations... Might of fact, I am thinking of just getting a tube of white and black acrylic paint, some medium and practicing on "luan" which is a thin plywood before moving to canvas... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Getting back into painting... From: Bobert Date: 15 Dec 12 - 11:04 PM Have my first mock up painting/drawing completed... It is of "Pee Wee" Crayton... Approximately 15"X12" and frame-able (nice)... Will get quotes for reproduction... Will offer a limited edition for sale here in the the Mudpit... Proceeds to go to Max... B~ |
