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Subject: BS: Cameron caught being honest? From: Les in Chorlton Date: 26 Nov 12 - 01:23 PM Is this one of the most honest things D. Cameron has said? "Ukip is sort of a bunch of ... fruitcakes and loonies and closet racists mostly," Mr Cameron told LBC radio. L in C# |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cameron caught being honest? From: GUEST,Eliza Date: 26 Nov 12 - 02:01 PM Les, could this really be true? I can't imagine the Prime Minister saying such an inflammatory and contentious thing. UKIP is a mainstream political Party. Who said he said it? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cameron caught being honest? From: Les in Chorlton Date: 26 Nov 12 - 02:21 PM Here 'tis Here |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cameron caught being honest? From: Richard Bridge Date: 26 Nov 12 - 03:00 PM It must be very embarrassing for him accidentally to have told the truth about the people who think that little Gove is a grown-up - and so presciently to have rebuffed in advance The idiot Michael Fabricant. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cameron caught being honest? From: GUEST,Eliza Date: 26 Nov 12 - 05:49 PM Well I think it was very ill-advised of him to say what he did. Slagging other parties off is not his job. He should get on with (attempting) to run the country, but I'm not holding my breath. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cameron caught being honest? From: Allan Conn Date: 26 Nov 12 - 07:19 PM "He should get on with (attempting) to run the country," Mind this is old hat. He made the comment 6 years ago long before he was PM. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cameron caught being honest? From: Allan Conn Date: 26 Nov 12 - 07:39 PM Saying that Cameron wasn't so wide of the mark. Some of their policies especially in regard to internal UK governance smack of Col Blimp types paying no regard to opinion in different parts of the UK. Their attitude towards the MSPs is ludicrous and would hold little support within Scotland. And as far as Northern Ireland goes they openly admit on their website that power sharing pleases the DUP, Sinn Fein, UUP, SDLP and the Alliance Party (ie everyone of note in Northern Ireland) yet they say they would end it! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cameron caught being honest? From: Les in Chorlton Date: 27 Nov 12 - 05:01 AM Opportunist, right wing scum? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cameron caught being honest? From: GUEST,Eliza Date: 27 Nov 12 - 05:10 AM This may all be true, but do you think Rotherham Council were right to remove children from their (apparently excellent) foster carers, on the grounds that they had become UKIP supporters? I have mixed feelings about this. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cameron caught being honest? From: Richard Bridge Date: 27 Nov 12 - 05:38 AM I have debated that at length elsewhere. My view is that UKIP is a racist party that implicitly regards all foreigners and their cultures as inferior and that that would do grave harm to the children. So Rotherham were right. Can you verify the word "become"? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cameron caught being honest? From: Les in Chorlton Date: 27 Nov 12 - 06:32 AM We all have mixed feelings about all sorts of things, although this place is not generally known for people who express them. A lot of decisions made by social sevices are difficult. Should they have left vunerable children from other parts of Europe in the care of people who join a Party that wants to appear 'mainstream' and reasonable when a closer look reveals them to at least europhobic and often simply racist? Rotherham made a tough call and got it right but don't expect the popular press and even the leader of my party - The Labour Party to get it right. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cameron caught being honest? From: GUEST,Blandiver Date: 27 Nov 12 - 09:28 AM I know a few folky UKIP supporters, at least one of which I think of as a dear friend. But they're not alone: http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/nov/26/ukip-party-coming-in-from-cold. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cameron caught being honest? From: Richard Bridge Date: 28 Nov 12 - 04:31 AM I suspect that if Scameron veered wildly to the right - or at least admitted that his attempts to lose the "nasty" image were merely window dressing (which I think they were) - and do a deal with UKIP not only would the Con-dem pact collapse immediately but also there would be a rush of civilised conservatives (to the extent that that is not a total oxymoron) to leave the conservative party - although I'm not sure to where. It seems to me that the Lib-dem brand is now irretrievably tainted, at least for a decade, after the party abandoned all of its core positioning to coalesce with the conservatives, so betraying all of its voters. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cameron caught being honest? From: The Sandman Date: 28 Nov 12 - 04:45 AM funny that is how i would describe most politicians including the tories |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cameron caught being honest? From: Richard Bridge Date: 28 Nov 12 - 05:41 AM I was interrupted by a phone call (work). For reasons that I do not understand many seem reluctant to vote Labour in protest at the outrages that the conservative party is visiting on the country, and many see green as a wasted vote. BNP EDL and the rest of the fascist alphabet soup have no current credibility. So all protest votes are going to UKIP - despite Cameron's entirely accurate 6 year old assessment. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cameron caught being honest? From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 28 Nov 12 - 05:59 AM The problem, Richard, is that the vast majority of voters feel that Labour carries the same taint as you ascribe to the LibDems. "Once bitten, twice shy" is the phrase that springs to mind and it'll take the removal of all who were part of Blair/Brown to regain any real measure of trust. So it looks as though some people are going to have to hold their noses and back the coalition, in order to beat the far worse threat of UKIP. Meanwhile, real socialists need to start pruning the New Labour remnants and giving us a party which is a genuine alternative, to vote for. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cameron caught being honest? From: Richard Bridge Date: 28 Nov 12 - 11:20 AM I did object to a lot of what "New Labour" did but I think it was Blair who was the liar and the cheat. You may (I know you do) disagree with much of what Brown did but I don't see him as tarred with the "dishonesty" brush and he certainly was no racist, as the "bigoted woman" outburst proved. The Blairites are not (at present) in the saddle although they remain a threat, and neither the Blairites nor the Brownites so comprehensively turned their backs on what their voters voted for as the Lib-Dems did. Many people (me included) think that the Brown-Darling-Obama axis on the banking meltdown saved the world from a much much worse depression. What Red Miliband dare not do is put the Labour party in the position that the honourable gentleman and scholar Michael Foot did - although it seems to me that he is steadily moving away from his brother's "insider" positions. Foot was a wonderful man of principle but not venal or dissembling enough for a prime minister. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cameron caught being honest? From: Les in Chorlton Date: 28 Nov 12 - 01:18 PM I agree with Richard |
