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BS: Ron Paul's Farewell Address to Congress

Songwronger 18 Nov 12 - 06:14 PM
Greg F. 18 Nov 12 - 06:22 PM
Henry Krinkle 18 Nov 12 - 06:26 PM
akenaton 18 Nov 12 - 07:03 PM
Henry Krinkle 18 Nov 12 - 07:06 PM
Wesley S 18 Nov 12 - 07:37 PM
EBarnacle 18 Nov 12 - 07:42 PM
saulgoldie 18 Nov 12 - 07:57 PM
Bobert 18 Nov 12 - 08:06 PM
Henry Krinkle 18 Nov 12 - 08:20 PM
Richard Bridge 18 Nov 12 - 08:35 PM
Little Hawk 18 Nov 12 - 08:38 PM
Charley Noble 18 Nov 12 - 09:24 PM
Songwronger 18 Nov 12 - 09:45 PM
Bobert 18 Nov 12 - 09:51 PM
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Subject: BS: Ron Paul's Farewell Address to Congress
From: Songwronger
Date: 18 Nov 12 - 06:14 PM

Some excerpts from Congressman Ron Paul's farewell address to the U.S. Congress. I always liked his anti-war and pro-liberty stances:

http://www.campaignforliberty.org/national-blog/transcript-of-farewell-address/

My goals in 1976 were the same as they are today: promote peace and prosperity by a strict adherence to the principles of individual liberty.

It was my opinion that the course the U.S. embarked on in the latter part of the 20th Century would bring us a major financial crisis and engulf us in a foreign policy that would overextend us and undermine our national security.

To achieve the goals I sought, government would have had to shrink in size and scope, reduce spending, change the monetary system, and reject the unsustainable costs of policing the world and expanding the American Empire....

Wars are constant and pursued without Congressional declaration, deficits rise to the sky, poverty is rampant and dependency on the federal government is now worse than any time in our history.

...A grand, but never mentioned, bipartisan agreement allows for the well-kept secret that keeps the spending going. One side doesn't give up one penny on military spending, the other side doesn't give up one penny on welfare spending, while both sides support the bailouts and subsidies for the banking and corporate elite. And the spending continues as the economy weakens and the downward spiral continues. As the government continues fiddling around, our liberties and our wealth burn in the flames of a foreign policy that makes us less safe....

The Constitution established four federal crimes. Today the experts can't even agree on how many federal crimes are now on the books—they number into the thousands. No one person can comprehend the enormity of the legal system—especially the tax code. Due to the ill-advised drug war and the endless federal expansion of the criminal code we have over 6 million people under correctional suspension, more than the Soviets ever had, and more than any other nation today, including China. I don't understand the complacency of the Congress and the willingness to continue their obsession with passing more Federal laws. Mandatory sentencing laws associated with drug laws have compounded our prison problems....

Productivity and creativity are the true source of personal satisfaction. Freedom, and not dependency, provides the environment needed to achieve these goals. Government cannot do this for us; it only gets in the way. When the government gets involved, the goal becomes a bailout or a subsidy and these cannot provide a sense of personal achievement....

Benjamin Franklin claimed "only a virtuous people are capable of freedom." John Adams concurred: "Our Constitution was made for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."

A moral people must reject all violence in an effort to mold people's beliefs or habits....

The #1 responsibility for each of us is to change ourselves with hope that others will follow. This is of greater importance than working on changing the government; that is secondary to promoting a virtuous society. If we can achieve this, then the government will change....

To achieve liberty and peace, two powerful human emotions have to be overcome. Number one is "envy" which leads to hate and class warfare. Number two is "intolerance" which leads to bigoted and judgmental policies. These emotions must be replaced with a much better understanding of love, compassion, tolerance and free market economics. Freedom, when understood, brings people together. When tried, freedom is popular....


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Subject: RE: BS: Ron Paul's Farewell Address to Congress
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Nov 12 - 06:22 PM

The man was and is a Randian lunatic. Good riddance.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ron Paul's Farewell Address to Congress
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 18 Nov 12 - 06:26 PM

*ClapClapClapClap*!!!!!
I voted for him!!!!!
=(:-( ))


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Subject: RE: BS: Ron Paul's Farewell Address to Congress
From: akenaton
Date: 18 Nov 12 - 07:03 PM

He's worth ten Obamas.....or Romneys.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ron Paul's Farewell Address to Congress
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 18 Nov 12 - 07:06 PM

Or a hundred Abes
=(:-( ))


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Subject: RE: BS: Ron Paul's Farewell Address to Congress
From: Wesley S
Date: 18 Nov 12 - 07:37 PM

Didn't his wife invent the fish stick?


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Subject: RE: BS: Ron Paul's Farewell Address to Congress
From: EBarnacle
Date: 18 Nov 12 - 07:42 PM

Actually, it was Ron, working under aqn alias.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ron Paul's Farewell Address to Congress
From: saulgoldie
Date: 18 Nov 12 - 07:57 PM

The tea-publicans listened to him too carefully about some big things, and not nearly well enough about some other big things. As the Bobster has said and I echo, "I like 20% of what he says. But the other 80% scares the shit out of me." I do not believe that if his minions actually received what he wanted to deliver most of them would be very happy at all. I mean, no aggressive foreign policy? No FED? No jail for pot smokers? And if his environmental and other regulatory policies were ever enacted, which is to say that all we know and love would be repealed, most of his supporters would turn into vocal opponents. Oh, and remember that, at least in the voice of his son, and likely himself, we would expect reversal of the civil-rights bill. And the list goes on. Yup. Dunnae let the door hit yer arse on the way out, Ron.

Saul


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Subject: RE: BS: Ron Paul's Farewell Address to Congress
From: Bobert
Date: 18 Nov 12 - 08:06 PM

Is he going to return to that planet far way where he came from???

No, here's a better idea... He can just take over where Lyndon LaRouche left off and go on a college speaking tour advocating the return to the gold standard and perhaps refreshing Lyndon's accusations that Nancy Reagan was behind the US drug cartel and plugging in Michelle Obama as the new First Pusher-woman Lady...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Ron Paul's Farewell Address to Congress
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 18 Nov 12 - 08:20 PM

Hatespeech, bobette. Your mum would not approve.
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Subject: RE: BS: Ron Paul's Farewell Address to Congress
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 18 Nov 12 - 08:35 PM

I like extra heavy duty tinfoil to make hats.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ron Paul's Farewell Address to Congress
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Nov 12 - 08:38 PM

What Akenaton said. The only 2 American politicians of any note who have had the courage to expose America's imperial foreign policy for what it truly is are Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich. Both have been largely ignored by both the media and their parties who wish they would shut up and go away...because they embarass the Emperor by pointing out that he has no clothes.

And Ron Paul is dead right about the Federal Reserve. It should be abolished, because it's as dishonest and self-serving as a gigantic (officially sanctioned) counterfeiting operation. He and Dennis Kucinich have both gotten to the heart of the 2 most corrupt things in America: its criminal imperial foreign policy of outright aggression against small nations, and its utterly fraudulent financial policy which has effectively bankrupted the nation and threatened the financial stability of the entire world, putting us all at risk of eventually stumbling into another World War if we aren't very careful.

Bravo for Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich! They are two honest men struggling bravely in the midst of an ocean of political deceit. Neither of them will ever get far in changing the American government, but I think history may one day exonerate them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ron Paul's Farewell Address to Congress
From: Charley Noble
Date: 18 Nov 12 - 09:24 PM

Little Hawk-

It's good to have the Ron Pauls and Dennis Kuciniches in the Congress or in the Parliament as character references. I'm less sure than I'd want them as President or Prime Minister. Ron Paul has more personal baggage from my point of view that I disagree with than Kucinich has.

Who are your Canadian equivalents?

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Ron Paul's Farewell Address to Congress
From: Songwronger
Date: 18 Nov 12 - 09:45 PM

Ron Paul would have made a great president because he would have brought gridlock to Washington. Today we have both parties pretending to oppose each other, but in truth they work in tandem to spend, spend, spend. They would have had to do that over his veto.

And he would have ended our wars. That would be a TRUE stimulus. Bring home the troops and send out the business investors.

His own party (Republican) hated the idea of the fed closing and the wars ending. He won the iowa caucus this year, the first contest in the primary process, but the government-controlled media lied and told you Romney won. That's how much the Republican/Democrat/Media machine feared Ron Paul.

If the primary system had really worked like you've been taught to think it does, then a Ron Paul win in Iowa would have built momentum to New Hampshire and so on. But we got a lie and the cult lunatic Mitt Romney, vs the drone killer Obama.

Ron Paul was our last best hope for at least a flicker of transparency in national government. Now you get your CIA stooge Obama with his secret arrests and drone snuff films.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ron Paul's Farewell Address to Congress
From: Bobert
Date: 18 Nov 12 - 09:51 PM

Other than the current leadership of the fed, LH, what's your beef with them???

Every other country has ways of manipulating the value of its currency and governing their economies to not get to hot or too cold... We have the Fed... Do you really want Congress doing that, too???

Please elaborate your beef...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Ron Paul's Farewell Address to Congress
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Nov 12 - 09:59 PM

The Fed...well, that's a very big and long and complex subject, Bobert, and I simply don't have enough time for it tonight. I'll try and get back to you about it presently, though.

Charley - I don't think there are any Canadian equivalents that I know of to compare to Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich. Politics in Canada is quite different from in the USA. It's a lot more low key here, much less extreme positions and rhetoric, a far more relaxed overall atmosphere. And Canada has a far lower profile in world affairs. We're not a conquering empire...although we do serve as minor "foot soldiers" for the American empire now and then. Given that the Canadian situation is so different, psychologically speaking, I can't really come up with Canadian equivalents to Kucinich and Paul.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ron Paul's Farewell Address to Congress
From: Bobert
Date: 18 Nov 12 - 10:10 PM

Great, LH...

I'd love to have that discussion with you...

B~


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