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BS: Democrats trying to BUY the election [2012]
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Subject: BS: Democrats trying to BUY the election From: Songwronger Date: 01 Nov 12 - 11:26 PM This is my favorite moment of the campaign so far. The Democratic Party's money in action: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio I wish this were a white woman so Democrats couldn't scream racism, but regardless of skin color, it's just so damn funny. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats trying to BUY the election From: Henry Krinkle Date: 01 Nov 12 - 11:42 PM It is funny as hell. =(:-( D) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats trying to BUY the election From: GUEST,marks(on the road) Date: 02 Nov 12 - 12:03 AM I'd say sad is a better description than funny. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats trying to BUY the election From: Little Hawk Date: 02 Nov 12 - 12:45 AM Good lord. Well, this is more proof (as if it was needed!) that some total idiots are out there supporting both presidential campaigns in the USA! Both Romney and Obama, yessiree. They can count on the unwavering support of some of the dumbest people in the entire electorate. Both parties do everything in their power to buy EVERY election. That's standard procedure, and it's one of the really sick things about what is nowadays termed "democracy". Mind you, it's a very old story. Politicians have been buying votes ever since Og and Mog decided to run for leadership of the cave tribe. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats trying to BUY the election From: Ebbie Date: 02 Nov 12 - 02:27 AM I am constantly freshly amazed at the blissful ignorance that some people embrace and then spread around. Little Hawk, I am surprised at you- I might expect it of the others but not of you . The "Democrats buying the election"? pfffft http://www.freegovernmentcellphones.net/faq/obama-phone "Is the government giving out free cell phones? Yes. This part is true. They fund low end cell phones plans, and offset some of the cost of landline phones. The programs that authorize the phone distribution program are called Lifeline Assistance and Lifeline Link-Up. Lifeline Assistance helps pay monthly phone bills and Lifeline Link-Up helps pay the initial outlay for the phone and installation. The two programs are often lumped together and simply called Lifeline. Did Obama start the free phones program? The cell phone distribution program did begin in 2008, the year Obama was elected president, but that is a coincidence. Let's look more closely at the facts. snip "To this day the government provides discounts on landline phones for financially disadvantaged people in the United States and U.S. territories. The Link-Up portion helps with the installation and the Lifeline Assistance part helps with the monthly bills, to the tune of roughly ten dollars a month. So, the subsidization of phones began under President Clinton, and has continued under Presidents Bush and Obama. Over that time, the usage of cell phones rose and the costs came down. Assuming one believes in the Lifeline program in the first place, and remembering that the FCC has mandated the program, it only makes sense to expand the phone assistance program to include cell phones. So, in 2008 the first application of this program for mobile phones began when a company called Tracfone started their Safelink Wireless service in Tennessee. Aha, some say, that's the same year Obama was elected! Well, that's true. But the service in Tennessee was launched three months prior to Obama being elected. And that means the discussion and approval of the extension of the program occurred under President Bush's watch. The Bush Phone, anyone?" http://www.freegovernmentcellphones.net/faq/obama-phone |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats trying to BUY the election From: Henry Krinkle Date: 02 Nov 12 - 02:45 AM I still think it's funny. =(:-( )) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats trying to BUY the election From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 02 Nov 12 - 03:56 AM Ebbie: ""Is the government giving out free cell phones? Yes. This part is true. They fund low end cell phones plans, and offset some of the....." I'd rather buy my own, thank you....and everybody else could too, if the 'bought off government' would stop fucking up the economy at the behest of their financial supporters!!! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats trying to BUY the election From: Ebbie Date: 02 Nov 12 - 12:19 PM Note that those are not my words, but from the link. I'm not sure what the rationale is for providing telephones to the very poor but, growing up in the manner that I did, I remember well what it was like living without a telephone. I especially recall my brother and I running more than a mile to a neighbor's house - uphill- to get him to take our dad to the emergency room. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats trying to BUY the election From: GUEST,kendall Date: 02 Nov 12 - 01:14 PM The democrats are counter punching. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats trying to BUY the election From: Bobert Date: 02 Nov 12 - 01:19 PM Well, Eb... Yer people back here in Virginia, if I am not mistaken, still keep the telephones in the barn... I know the Amish do in Pa... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats trying to BUY the election From: Ebbie Date: 02 Nov 12 - 01:30 PM I'm talking about a simpler time, Bobert, back when Amish men were still just farmers, carpenters and preachers and Amish women just ran their homes and produce stands (one aunt of mine was ahead of her time: in addition to her garden stuffs, she also sold baked goods at her stand). No Amish that I knew had a telephone. This was in the Willamette Valley in Oregon up to 1950 and in Virginia in the Shenandoah Valley. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats trying to BUY the election From: John MacKenzie Date: 02 Nov 12 - 01:49 PM BOTH the Republicans AND the Democrats invest millions in trying to BUY votes. Don't make out that your side is whiter than white. If the obscene amount of money spent on rubbishing the other side, was used to help the poor and the ill, perhaps your party might get more votes, and the money would be of benefit to someone. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats trying to BUY the election From: pdq Date: 02 Nov 12 - 02:11 PM The story of the ObamaPhone as passed the truth test by Snopes. A different source says the about 16 million(!) ObamaPhones have been handed out in the last four years. From Snopes... "Have you heard this one? THE OBAMAPHONE Actually in the state of Wisconsin it is 250 minutes of Free Air Time and they are running TV ads promoting it. No Bull Just when you think you've heard it all, our illustrious Congress quietly comes up with a new zinger to put their hands in your pockets, and pick them while you aren't watching. Isn't this just wonderful! I was standing in line at the checkout counter at Wal Mart and as I looked at the line behind me, I saw a couple of people talking about what looked like identical new cell phones, bragging about the fact that their phones were free and so was the airtime. The woman in line behind me had heard the same exchange and turned to the young man behind her and asked, 'Is that a new type of cell phone?' The young man replied, 'Yes, this is my new 'ObamaPhone'. She asked him what an 'ObamaPhone" was, and he went on to say that, "Welfare recipients are now eligible to receive" what he described as (1) a FREE new cell phone, and (2) approximately 70 FREE minutes of air time every month. Needless to say, I was a little skeptical about his answer, so when I got back home, I 'Googled' it, and lo and behold, he was telling the truth. This was what I discovered: SafeLink Wireless is a government supported program that provides a free cell phone and airtime each month for income-eligible customers. In other words, your tax dollars are being distributed to a wireless phone provider to provide welfare recipients with free cell phones and airtime. I don't know about you, but as for me, enough is enough. We are $14 Trillion in debt, Congress is balking at continuing unemployment payments to those who want to work, and Congress is increasing the dole-out to dead beats. The ship of State is sinking, and it's sinking fast. The old concept of getting ahead through hard work has flown out the window. It has been replaced by Obama's and Congress' idea of 'Hope and Change.' The country has changed all right, changed to 'Why should I work for it, when I can get it for free?'" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats trying to BUY the election From: Rapparee Date: 02 Nov 12 - 02:14 PM What are they paying? My vote costs more than a shot of booze these days. I probably would want a whole quart. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats trying to BUY the election From: Henry Krinkle Date: 02 Nov 12 - 02:17 PM So true. Good for nothing lazy bastards. Work or go without, I say. =(:-( )) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats trying to BUY the election From: Ebbie Date: 02 Nov 12 - 02:31 PM pdq, you don't read so good: But the service in Tennessee was launched three months prior to Obama being elected. And that means the discussion and approval of the extension of the program occurred under President Bush's watch. The Bush Phone, anyone?" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats trying to BUY the election From: Henry Krinkle Date: 02 Nov 12 - 02:32 PM Just go to work and earn your keep. =(:-( )) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats trying to BUY the election From: pdq Date: 02 Nov 12 - 02:41 PM The program that G. W. Bush launched was a serious attempt to get an emergency phone in the hands of people who really needed one. Resonable number of phones and a reasonable number of minutes. The basic system was taken and exploded into a free phone for everyone on welfare in the whole US. Does anyone really need 70 minutes every month to arrange trips to the grocery store or hospital? 16 million ObamaPhones is absurd. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats trying to BUY the election From: Ebbie Date: 02 Nov 12 - 02:56 PM I used to think that a certain Mudcatter was an ethical, sharp-witted man who tried merely to point out over-looked truths. I have totally changed my mind. That Mudcatter is as partisan and flim-flammery as any Tea Partier. Snopes.com, by the way, does a good job of dissecting the falsehoods from the truths on this matter. If anyone is interested, go there. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats trying to BUY the election From: Henry Krinkle Date: 02 Nov 12 - 03:06 PM Who would that be, ebbie? =(:-( o) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats trying to BUY the election From: Ebbie Date: 02 Nov 12 - 03:07 PM Not you, sweetie. You ain't that bright. :) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats trying to BUY the election From: Henry Krinkle Date: 02 Nov 12 - 03:20 PM I didn't think it was me, sweetcheeks. I'm non partisan. Leaning towards Libertarian or Green Parties. You seem emotionally charged over a whole lot of nothing. =(:-( D) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats trying to BUY the election From: Little Hawk Date: 02 Nov 12 - 03:24 PM Don't know if you mean me, Ebbie, but I had only 2 points to make in my post. 1. Some very, very stupid individuals are loyal supporters of both Obama and Romney. (Some smart individuals also are. And some average individuals also are.) 2. Both political parties always try to buy every election...any way they possibly can. And in my country, Canada, all of our political parties always try to buy every election too, any way they possibly can. And it's a shame. My point was not that the Democrats exclusively are trying to buy this particular election, but that both parties do so as a matter of course. Same as John McKenzie said in his post: "BOTH the Republicans AND the Democrats invest millions in trying to BUY votes. Don't make out that your side is whiter than white." What do you find untrue about any of the above? I will also add as a postscript that I very much hope that Romney loses this election by a large margin and that Obama wins it, because I regard the Republicans as considerably worse than the Democrats (mainly because their normal political-social philosophy is a lot nuttier than that of the Democrats). I regard both parties as corrupt and venal at the higher organizational levels...but the Republicans are far more dangerous when in power, in my opinion. What little I know about Tea Partiers (who aren't talked about much in Canada) suggests to me that they are as are away from my own political/social beliefs as Australia is from Minnesota. For instance, I happen to like socialism! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats trying to BUY the election From: Ebbie Date: 02 Nov 12 - 03:37 PM Not you either, sweetie. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats trying to BUY the election From: John MacKenzie Date: 02 Nov 12 - 03:42 PM Well Ebbie, they do say, that a man makes jokes according tis level of intelligence. Kris Krinkle would appear to prove the point. With his unfunny remarks. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats trying to BUY the election From: Henry Krinkle Date: 02 Nov 12 - 03:49 PM Oh, johnnie mac. Did we ask for comments from the pee-nut gallery? No. We didn't. So pipe down. And mind your manners. =(:-( x) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats trying to BUY the election From: GUEST,999 Date: 02 Nov 12 - 03:50 PM This election will end up costing about 2 BILLION dollars, pretty much evenly split between Dems and Repubs. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats trying to BUY the election From: John MacKenzie Date: 02 Nov 12 - 03:51 PM Ah Hank me old Onanist, if only you took your own advice, Mudcat would be a better place. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats trying to BUY the election From: Henry Krinkle Date: 02 Nov 12 - 03:56 PM Well, johnnie mac, blahblahblahblahblah....zzzzzzzz!!!! =(:-( 0) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats trying to BUY the election From: Henry Krinkle Date: 02 Nov 12 - 03:59 PM 2 billion dollars that could go to help the homeless and chronically unemployed. Hungry families. Struggling small businesses. =(:-( I) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats trying to BUY the election From: DMcG Date: 02 Nov 12 - 04:39 PM This election will end up costing about 2 BILLION dollars, pretty much evenly split between Dems and Repubs. I always wonder when people say things like that. It is true enough at the first level, but what do they spend it on? In the most part, stuff that ends up employing Americans (in the US case). Now of course a big chunk ends up with the Murdochs via TV channels, or with sweatshop owners outside the US making millions of hats and the like, but it is an oversimplification to assume it is 2 billion that has just disappeared from the economy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats trying to BUY the election From: GUEST,999 Date: 02 Nov 12 - 04:46 PM WTF makes you say I said it disappeared from the economy? Read what I wrote FFS. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats trying to BUY the election From: DMcG Date: 02 Nov 12 - 05:16 PM Oh, I didn't claim you said that - read mine! *smile* While personally I don't think such large amounts are healthy for a democracy, that's mainly because of the people it excludes as candidates. And of course spending it on elections tends to concentrate a lot of the money into far fewer hands than supporting the homeless would. But even so, the money, however large a sum it is, simply moves about. It is not 'gone' in the way it is when we spend from our personal accounts. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats trying to BUY the election From: John MacKenzie Date: 02 Nov 12 - 05:54 PM Candidates in the UK have a limited budget, and have to provide accounts to back up their figures. I think the US should adopt this system |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats trying to BUY the election From: Bobert Date: 02 Nov 12 - 07:03 PM I heard today that Romney will be outspending Obama close to 5 to 1 in Ohio between now and Tuesday... If the Dems are trying to buy the election then they need to go back to the ATM 'cause they are getting killed in the spending race... Here in NC it's about 7 ads for Romney and 2 for Obama... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats trying to BUY the election From: Little Hawk Date: 02 Nov 12 - 08:39 PM This is Chongo's biggest problem. Money! He's only been able to raise about $15,000 (after expenses). That'll buy a lot of bananas, but it won't win you an election. Bobert, the Toronto Star has an article today about how people in Canada and almost every other country in the world feel about your election. Odds are 5-1 in Obama's favor over Romney in pretty much every place except Israel. That doesn't surprise me. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats trying to BUY the election From: Bobert Date: 02 Nov 12 - 08:42 PM Did Chongz spend all that $$$ on the campaign??? I doubt it... Prolly some new toys, a few crates of bananas and maybe a couple porn dvds... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats trying to BUY the election From: Little Hawk Date: 02 Nov 12 - 09:05 PM Heh! ;-) Oh, ye of little faith!!! (Think whisky. Lotsa whisky. And more ammo.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats trying to BUY the election From: Bobert Date: 02 Nov 12 - 09:22 PM Okay... Yeah, I can see that, LH... Check under his mattress for the porn dvds... No, not that side... The other side... He thinks he has you fooled... B:~) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats trying to BUY the election From: Songwronger Date: 02 Nov 12 - 09:26 PM Perception is reality, as someone said. The woman in the original post says she has her Obamaphone, and by golly that's what it IS! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats trying to BUY the election From: Little Hawk Date: 02 Nov 12 - 09:46 PM He's got a girlfriend now, Bobert. At least, that's the rumor. But Chongo did NOT get a free Obamaphone, and boy, is he pissed! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats trying to BUY the election From: Bobert Date: 02 Nov 12 - 09:55 PM Girlfriend or not, LH... I guarantee that he's got porn dvds hidden all over the place... Heck, when he worked for me in the '08 election that's about all he did... Security??? You kiddin' me... I mean, McCain's crew could have walked in and stole all our stuff and would Chongz have known??? Heck no, he wouldn't... He was too busy watching porn with the headphones on??? Like, ahhhhh, what the fuck (opps) heck did he need headphones for??? I mean, you ain't gonna get no "Bull Durham" monologues in 'um... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats trying to BUY the election From: Little Hawk Date: 02 Nov 12 - 09:57 PM The headphones are so the people in the next cubicle over won't know yer watchin' porn, ya dummy! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats trying to BUY the election From: WalkaboutsVerse Date: 03 Nov 12 - 02:32 PM At least on the coverage we get in England, there are hardly any African Americans at the Republican rallies...was this the case before Obama? And will Americans ever be ready for Native American leadership? My poem "Americans" - http://www.myspace.com/walkaboutsverse/blog/455408778 |
