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Subject: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Songwronger Date: 30 Oct 12 - 09:48 PM New York (Case No. 12-cv-04269-JBW-RML) – involving, among other things, a request that the District Court enjoin all mortgage foreclosures by the Banksters nationwide, unless and until the entire $43 trillion is repaid to a court-appointed receiver – Plaintiffs now establish the location of the $43 trillion ($43,000,000,000,000.00) of laundered money in a racketeering enterprise participated in by the following individuals (without limitation): Attorney General Holder acting in his individual capacity, Assistant Attorney General Tony West, the brother in law of Defendant California Attorney General Kamala Harris (both acting in their individual capacities), Jon Corzine (former New Jersey Governor), Robert Rubin (former Treasury Secretary and Bankster), Timothy Geitner, Treasury Secretary (acting in his individual capacity), Vikram Pandit (recently resigned and disgraced Chairman of the Board of Citigroup), Valerie Jarrett (a Senior White House Advisor), Anita Dunn (a former "communications director" for the Obama Administration), Robert Bauer (husband of Anita Dunn and Chief Legal Counsel for the Obama Re-election Campaign)... http://news.yahoo.com/major-banks-governmental-officials-comrade-180900690.html The complaint: http://www.supremelaw.org/cc/abeel/COMPLAINT.pdf The day after reporting this story at CNBC, a Sr. Vice-president's children were murdered. CNBC dropped the story: https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=CNBC+Exec%E2%80%99s+Children+Murdered+43+trillion&btnK= |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Bobert Date: 30 Oct 12 - 10:01 PM Y------------------A-----------------W------------------N!!! You are a jerk, wronger... A 100% USDA Choice jerk... Get yer head outta the KKK's asshole... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Ebbie Date: 30 Oct 12 - 10:13 PM Songwronger, What is the matter with you? |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Don Firth Date: 30 Oct 12 - 10:21 PM Ignorance can be cured with education. There is no cure for stupid and malicious. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: michaelr Date: 30 Oct 12 - 10:26 PM I dunno. Some of this (maybe not the sum of $43 trillion) makes sense: ...the federal lawsuit now impending in the United States District Court in Brooklyn, New York (Case No. 12-cv-04269-JBW-RML) – involving, among other things, a request that the District Court enjoin all mortgage foreclosures by the Banksters nationwide... I can get behind that. The complaint... makes it irrefutable that the epicenter of this laundering and racketeering enterprise has been and continues to be Wall Street and continues to involve the very "Banksters" located there who have repeatedly asked in the past to be "bailed out" and to be "bailed out" in the future. Can't argue with that. ...the Obama Administration has failed to pursue any of the "Banksters" criminally, and indeed is actively borrowing monies for Mr. Obama's campaign from these same "Banksters"... Too true! Spire Law Group, LLP is a national law firm whose motto is "the public should be protected -- at all costs -- from corruption in whatever form it presents itself." Good! Someone needs to do it. Just because Songwronger posted it, doesn't mean y'all have to get all knee-jerly about it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: michaelr Date: 30 Oct 12 - 10:27 PM jerky |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Bobert Date: 30 Oct 12 - 10:29 PM Wronger is the Grand Wizard of Mudcat... This is all about Obama being black... There can be no other interpretation... Might as well just burn a cross, wronger... You are a racist jerk of all racist jerks... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Songwronger Date: 30 Oct 12 - 10:34 PM Yes, it does mean they have to get all knee jerky. It's what they've been conditioned to do. Wish I could change my handle to Pavlov. Obama's not at the helm of the financial ship. Neither is Eric Holder or any of those named. They're just deckhands. This is a big lawsuit. The biggest in history. It names Democrats and Republicans, Americans and non-Americans. This (and other crimes) explains why Obama's not too keen to be re-elected. If he continues as president, he'll have to answer for multiple charges. Assured impeachment. But as an ex-president, Romney will pardon him. That's become the norm now, for the new Pres to pardon the old. So Obama will skate off to his retirement and be free of this. I like some of the aspects of this--the freeze of foreclosures particularly. |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Bobert Date: 30 Oct 12 - 10:35 PM And if you want to join wronger, michaelr, then you too may get Grand Wizard status... Fuck!!! Lets get real here... George Bush took out nation into a illegal war in Iraq which killed 4000 Americans, disables for life another 45,000, slaughtered upwards of a million innocent Iraqis and we are having *************THIS***************** f'n discussion??? Beam me up, Scotty... There are no sane adults left here... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Songwronger Date: 30 Oct 12 - 10:40 PM lol. Ding the bell and Bobert slobbers RacismBushRacismBush. |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Songwronger Date: 30 Oct 12 - 10:41 PM lol. Can't stop laughing. |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Songwronger Date: 30 Oct 12 - 11:01 PM I wonder if Obama ordered the execution of the CNBC employee's kids? After all, he ordered the drone assassination of Anwar al-Alawki's 16 year old son. How did Obama's people justify the al-Awlaki hit? ADAMSON: ...It's an American citizen that is being targeted without due process, without trial. And, he's underage. He's a minor. GIBBS: I would suggest that you should have a far more responsible father if they are truly concerned about the well being of their children. http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/10/how-team-obama-justifies-the-killing-of-a-16-year-old-american/264028/ So, Obama killed young al-Alawki because he didn't have a better father. I could see him ordering the murder of the CNBC veep's kids because their dad reported bad news about the administration. |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Rapparee Date: 30 Oct 12 - 11:09 PM It's a waste of the court's time and the public's money. IF they were REALLY serious it would be a class action suit. |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Richard Bridge Date: 30 Oct 12 - 11:16 PM Since I can't sleep I have in fact flicked through the complaint as filed. An extraordinary pile of imagination and maundering. The US desperately needs a costs practice that would ensure that the inventive lawyers who promote this sort of twisted nonsense have to pay the cost of it. I assume that the court in question has some sort of strike-out jurisdiction. It should exercise it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Don Firth Date: 30 Oct 12 - 11:18 PM I can find NOTHING about this EXCEPT on extreme Rignt-Wing web sites. No knee-jerk. I'm open to verifiable evidence. So far, nada. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Henry Krinkle Date: 31 Oct 12 - 12:09 AM Yay!!!!!!!!!!! I told you so!!!!!!!!!!!!! =(:-( P) |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Ebbie Date: 31 Oct 12 - 12:21 AM "...the Obama Administration has failed to pursue any of the "Banksters" criminally, and indeed is actively borrowing monies for Mr. Obama's campaign from these same "Banksters"..." Question: Even though President Obama has raised all these millions of dollars for the campaign from Americans from all walks of life, is he also borrowing money from banks? |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Henry Krinkle Date: 31 Oct 12 - 12:35 AM He's a panhandler. He doesn't care where it comes from. =(:-( )) |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Henry Krinkle Date: 31 Oct 12 - 01:19 AM Everything and everybody is so corrupt these days. Maybe they should begin teaching Integrity 101 in the school systems. =(:-( )) |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Don Firth Date: 31 Oct 12 - 01:46 AM Like I said, no cure for stupid and malicious. Right-Wing nuts, including the ones posting here on Mudcat, will say ANYTHING to try to trash Obama. Their problem? He's a Democrat. But mainly, he's the wrong color. Bunch of sickos. . . . Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Henry Krinkle Date: 31 Oct 12 - 01:59 AM Always that damned race card. The left wingers nurture it like a baby.... I'm not Right Wing. A Centrist. Maybe an Anarchist. And a misanthrope. Not a racist. You reverse discriminator. =(:-( P) |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Ebbie Date: 31 Oct 12 - 02:18 AM I should think that anarchist and centrist are rarely in the same sentence. |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Henry Krinkle Date: 31 Oct 12 - 02:24 AM A kinder, gentler Anarchist. =(:-( )) |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 31 Oct 12 - 03:10 AM Interesting. For a long time we all knew that the banksters, with their fingers in every pie we can imagine, has been the target of the '99%'s...I've maintained that the corruption has gone into both parties, and have used the parties to position themselves, to gain more power through bogus bills designed to profit them, and NOT help the people. Also, I've cited the Fed, for being complicit in this...as I'm sure you all know by now. So to jump on Songwronger's case, for posting the article, which by the way, is being reported by more than 'right wing' sites(as falsely charged), is super hypocritical..being as many of you supported the 99%'s plight! Anyone who thinks that the banksters are not involved with the entire body politic, is too naive to pay much attention too, anyway, no matter what rhetoric they may use to call people names. This case MAY be too big to find a corrupt-free court. Actually, if the only thing that is accomplished by it is to call attention to the fact that this level of corruption exists(which I personally believe it does), then we may have possibly made a step in the right direction. Then again, if the case has no merit, (which I also find improbable), then it goes away. Being as everybody is pointing fingers, or dodging a finger being pointed at them, you might want to consider your own complaints about the Bush wars, the mortgage debacle, the repeal of Glass-Steagall, under Clinton(which I've pointed out to you MANY times), and the 'Cast of Characters', whose 'careers have spanned several administrations, and have headed key positions in both parties. Remember, their 'paychecks' are NOT under scrutiny and they pretty much do what they want...while embezzling massive amounts of money from not only our economy, but that of the rest of the world's that they would have access to. Yes, this is an interesting turn of events...politically motivated??...when both parties are implicated???.....ummm, maybe not. Regardless, charges of 'racism' etc. etc. are just silly recklessness...and a useless old hat trick, at this point. Couple this issue, with the unrest in the mid-east, to 'justify' our domestic oil production, away from the Saudi's, in a reneged agreement of Kissinger's 1979 deal with the Saudi's (which I've posted about before), and one might get a clue about our mid-east policy!!....and allowances that could easily affect our own national security!! Remember, with this kind of corrupt monies exchanging hands, the players owe no allegiance to America whatsoever...except to 'rent' our military when needed! This in turn, would be the dictating arm of the conflicts we, as a nation, have been getting involved with, complete with 'patriotic' reasons to 'justify' the illegal wars...both parties, and their elected puppets!!! This may be bigger than you think....and more corrupt!!...Complete with public relations propaganda to glamorize and ennoble it! We'll see.....however, I think this matter will have every effort to sweep it under the table...and who knows, they may pull it off. One more 'Regardless'....Songwronger, though it may be an unpopular post by the partisan fanatics..thank you for posting it!! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Henry Krinkle Date: 31 Oct 12 - 04:06 AM Hear!!!!Hear!!!!!! A big thank you from me, too!!!! =(:-( D) |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Richard Bridge Date: 31 Oct 12 - 04:16 AM Has anyone else read the "complaint"? |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 31 Oct 12 - 05:33 AM You can bet your ass that I'll be doing it!..shit I read the health care stuff too...sometimes it takes a while to sort out the legal double-speak, though... GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Richard Bridge Date: 31 Oct 12 - 05:41 AM There are only about 60 pages that are anything other than lists of names, and the attached report is irrelevant. |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 31 Oct 12 - 08:24 AM Looking....and checking out the names, too. This could be H-U-G-E ramifications!....especially how they might 'fix' it. Does anyone remember when I posted this a while back for Bobert? ..or this?..No wonder the Republicans wouldn't let him speak at the Convention! And I've been saying this for...how long???? GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Rapparee Date: 31 Oct 12 - 10:25 AM Richard, the courts here can dismiss "with prejudice" (meaning "You stupid shits, you shouldn't have brought this here, it has no merit, and if you ever bring it to court again you'll be slapped with contempt charges"). They can then slam the attorneys and the clients with various fines and fees, if such is felt to be warranted. The dockets are full enough without such cases taking up the time and money of the courts. This does not look good on an attorney's record, but you can find attorneys sleazy enough to take anything. My wife had managed to have several cases (she was representing the defendant) summarily dismissed with prejudice. I predict summary judgement: dismissal, with extreme prejudice. |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Bobert Date: 31 Oct 12 - 11:45 AM Bottom line??? The only regulations on the banks and financial institutions since CitiBand and it's Republican congressional buddies killed of Glass-Steagall has been Dodd-Frank passed by Dems in 2010... Of course, the tin-foilers love to blame the Dodd-Frank regs of 2010 on the 2008 meltdown but that's what tin-foilers do... If you want Wall Street to get a further clean-up then Obama is your only chance because only a 2nd term president can take on Wall Street... How many people out there think that Romney will take them on??? Can I get a show of hands??? B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Henry Krinkle Date: 31 Oct 12 - 11:50 AM Clinton signed off the repeal of Glass Steagal. No brag, sweetcheeks. Just fact. =(:-( )) |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Bobert Date: 31 Oct 12 - 12:45 PM Yes, of course he did... By the time it was sent to him he was a battered president who was not in any position to do otherwise... The repeal of Glass-Steagall was 100% Republican led and they knew they had Slick Willie where he was so weakened that they could pull it off... That's the way it went down but like every screw-up, bone-headed things that Republicans do and have done, they ***never*** take "personal responsibility"... They just crank up the Big Lie Machine and blast it from then highest mountain over and over and over until the Big Lie replaces the truth... Reality 001 (remedial, non credit) B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Henry Krinkle Date: 31 Oct 12 - 01:01 PM Clinton was a Republican in Democrat clothing. =(:-( )) |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Little Hawk Date: 31 Oct 12 - 01:07 PM I personally think that every USA administration we've had since Ronald Reagan has been up to their ears in this sort of financial graft and chicanery run by the banksters. That means Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, Bush II, and Obama. I think it's become standard routine in Washington and there's no way you can even GET to be president unless you're roped into it from the start... So it's not about Obama. He's just a temporary bit player who serves the same system that was there before him and will be there after him. Therefore, folks, it's not really about either attacking or defending Obama! It's about something way bigger than Obama. It's about a totally corrupted system that is being run by an oligarchy of very wealthy criminals who play games with the public's money. Presidents are like their waterboys. If a president looks like he might stand up to them...they kill him. And I think that's exactly what happened to John Kennedy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Bill D Date: 31 Oct 12 - 01:27 PM Oh my, LH... generalizations AND conspiracies in the same post! ☺ |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Little Hawk Date: 31 Oct 12 - 01:29 PM Yes, Bill! ;-D I knew you'd love it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Henry Krinkle Date: 31 Oct 12 - 01:31 PM Little Hawk is one of the few (myself included) voices of reason and sensibility here. =(:-( )) |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Bobert Date: 31 Oct 12 - 02:04 PM The probl4em with yer hypothesis, LH, is that there is a definite reason why Wall Street has pulled away from Obama and is backing Romney with BIG ca$h and that is... ...Dodd-Frank which was the first step toward regulations that will prevent another meltdown... And I agree, Krinkx... Clinton was more Republicans than Democrat... Obama is really the first Democrat in the White House since Jimmy Carter... Carter, BTW, has been demonized by the right which can only mean that the right knows he must have been a purdy decent president... Take away the help that the Republicans had from Iran with the hostages, coupled with the failed rescue, it can be argued that Carter would have been re-elected, even running against the right's comic book hero, Ronnie Raygun... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Don Firth Date: 31 Oct 12 - 02:24 PM Sheesh!!! #### The connection made between CNBC reporting the filing of the Spire Law Group's lawsuit, the murder of a CNBC executive's children, and President Obama is to be found on "The Intelhub," and "The Daily Sheep" ("Wake the Flock Up!"), and a number of other extreme Right-Wing web sites. Fact: Marina Krim, wife of Kevin Krim the executive and mother of the children, found the nanny standing over the two dead children lying in the bathtub, then saw the nanny stab herself. Right-Wing extremist reports have it that the Krims found the children and the nanny already dead when they arrived. Songwronger alleges that President Obama ordered the deaths of the executive's children, and the nanny, as a warning to Krim that CNBC should lay off the story. The nanny, Yoselyn Ortega has not died from her wounds, she is in a coma in a New York hospital, and is presumed by police to have killed the children. This is right there with the allegations that Obama is a Muslim, that he was born in either Kenya or Indonesia (they can't make up their minds about his alleged birthplace), and a whole raft of other fairy tales, including that Obama is gay! And it's also right up there with allegations that Hurricane Sandy was caused by "the government's super-secret weather control system," dubbed HAARP (and a favorite target for conspiracy theory addicts, along with "chemtrails"), ordered by President Obama to disrupt the run-up to election day, giving him a better chance of winning! Someone is going to have to explain to me how and why THAT is supposed to work! Wouldn't that disrupt things for Democrats and Republicans alike!?? No, the irrational hatred of these people knows no bounds, and they will say ANYTHING, no matter how ridiculous, to try to trash President Obama. Their hate is so strong that they don't care that it's all a ridiculous tissue of lies. They want it to be true. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Rapparee Date: 31 Oct 12 - 02:42 PM You mean that The High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program outside of Gakona, Alaska is responsible for economic crashes? I didn't know that!! I'll have to get out my tinfoil hat again! |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Henry Krinkle Date: 31 Oct 12 - 02:47 PM Tinfoil keeps the head warm. =(:-( )) |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: GUEST,999 Date: 31 Oct 12 - 03:01 PM I wish the plaintiffs well with the lawsuit. Someone's nuts oughta be roasted over an open fire after the big ripoff. Bastards stole people's homes. Those folks got no protection from anyone. However, I didn't see Obama's name anywhere in the first 25 pages I read. Way I see it, a lawsuit like that could last up to three years and then the court time to hear the case could take another decade. |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: GUEST Date: 31 Oct 12 - 03:42 PM > allegations that Hurricane Sandy was caused by "the government's super-secret weather control system," dubbed HAARP... ordered by President Obama to disrupt the run-up to election day, giving him a better chance of winning! [Satire zone ahead. Use caution :] Everybody knows the storm was generated by top Iranian scientists, to punish America for threatening peace and stability: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/31/syrian-supporters-claim-iran-technology-behind-hurricane-sandy_n_2049879.html Which isn't to say that Iran doesn't want Obama to win.... [End satire zone] |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Ebbie Date: 31 Oct 12 - 03:50 PM "Generalizations, Conspiracies and Conjectures"- sounds like a winning service. Expect to see an office on a busy street corner in every goin' town. Coming soon. Mudcat should have a Permanent Thread like that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: GUEST,Lighter Date: 31 Oct 12 - 03:53 PM GUEST was me in a big hurry to tell the people. |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Don Firth Date: 31 Oct 12 - 03:59 PM Gettin' too dangerous around here! I'm gonna take the next train to Mars!! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: GUEST,Lighter Date: 31 Oct 12 - 04:25 PM Track 39! All abooooooooooooard!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Rapparee Date: 31 Oct 12 - 06:02 PM ...Or any other planet that has bars Like Gerty's Folk City.... --Phil Ochs |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: bobad Date: 31 Oct 12 - 06:43 PM Gerde's folk city? |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 31 Oct 12 - 09:12 PM Little Hawk, With all due respects, I'm going to cut and paste part of your post, with a text change..(if that's OK with you)...it would be historically more accurate..that's all.....: I personally think that every USA administration we've had since john F. Kennedy has been up to their ears in this sort of financial graft and chicanery run by the banksters. That means Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, Bush II, and Obama. I think it's become standard routine in Washington and there's no way you can even GET to be president unless you're roped into it from the start... So it's not about Obama. He's just a temporary bit player who serves the same system that was there before him and will be there after him. Therefore, folks, it's not really about either attacking or defending Obama! It's about something way bigger than Obama. It's about a totally corrupted system that is being run by an oligarchy of very wealthy criminals who play games with the public's money. Presidents are like their waterboys. OK..was that a bit better? If not, I'll be OK with that, too. GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Rapparee Date: 31 Oct 12 - 09:15 PM Yeah, I spelled it wrong. |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 31 Oct 12 - 11:57 PM Hey, being as you are familiar with court proceedings, suppose the court allows the lawsuit to go forth, that would give the plaintiffs subpena power, and the ability to court order documents during the discovery phase...if the Fed has to hand over documents..or even be audited, do you think the case would even need to go forward at that point, as far as the damage that would be done, by the Fed and if the case gets much notoriety? It's 'funny'..so far today NO media outlets have picked up the story, that I've heard. I would also be curious as to who is behind the filing of the lawsuit...not particularly the law firm...but who is funding it. Years ago the Christic Institute went after the government, in a lawsuit filed in Florida, in regards to the Iran-Contra affair. Daniel Sheehan was the lead attorney. The also used the RICO statute, and the defendant's list became a who's who in all sorts of places within the government, intelligence community, racketeers, smugglers, arms dealers, etc. etc. It was allowed to go forward in Federal court, and later the court stopped it going any further...HOWEVER, the information that got out was staggering, to say the least..and a book was written titled 'Out of Control'..huge book, with stuff you couldn't imagine that our elected, (and some not)bastions of 'freedom' had been up to....stuff that we, as a nation still is dealing with...this new lawsuit, though I think it too high(unless they can show that the damages were that), has the potential to go as far as an economic crisis resulting in re-vamping our monetary system.(My my, how timely)....and replacing it with the 'new guys' in charge....perhaps intentionally. Whadya' think? GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Ebbie Date: 01 Nov 12 - 02:48 AM "Generalizations, Conspiracies and Conjectures" That's what I think. |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Bill D Date: 01 Nov 12 - 11:40 AM "I personally think that..." *grin* Most of the time when someone uses that formulation as a major point, it indicates a significant lack of critical thinking. |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 01 Nov 12 - 11:45 AM ...especially when they are pulling from worn out 'talking points'!! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 01 Nov 12 - 01:43 PM ""Little Hawk is one of the few (myself included) voices of reason and sensibility here."" (myself included)?..........ROTFLMAO! There it goes, following intelligence, common sense and reasoned argument, modesty just flew out the bloody window too. I don't agree with much of what LH says, but this I do know. You would need a radical brain transplant to get anywhere near him. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 01 Nov 12 - 02:06 PM ..and this was TWO years ago...and still some have no fucking clue!! ...when are people going to admit that this was/is absolutely true??!!?? GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 01 Nov 12 - 02:18 PM Explain this one away..... GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 01 Nov 12 - 02:23 PM ...and from Bernie Sanders...with Timothy 'Tax Cheat' Geithner Listen to Timmy duck and weave.... GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Don Firth Date: 01 Nov 12 - 03:19 PM It's not a "worn out talking point" if it happens to be a FACT. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Henry Krinkle Date: 01 Nov 12 - 03:35 PM I never really think of myself as voting FOR anybody. I vote AGAINST them. =(:-( D) |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Bill D Date: 01 Nov 12 - 03:54 PM I cannot comprehend how Ron Paul can compartmentalize his thinking so well that he can simply **describe** excess spending and employment as 'terrible' and ignore how Republican supported wars and deregulation were the major factors in creating the problems! At the time Paul was talking, Obama had been in for 2 years.... and here he is essentially being asked.. "why haven't you cleaned up the mess we left you yet" Not much has changed... that has been a main thrust of Republican talking points this Summer. |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Bobert Date: 01 Nov 12 - 05:34 PM Why, yes... Throw up your hands and allow other countries to manipulate the value of their currencies but kill off Federal reserve, the USAs main weapon to keep US competitive... This is nothing but Lyndon LaRouche tin foil bullshit that no real-world economists in America would advocate... Shame on you, GfinS... This is right at the "vaccines make people sick", "Johnson had Kennedy shot", "5 Jews run the entire country" and "the government is sitting on a 100 miles per gallon carburetor"... Pathetically shameful and Exhibit A of just how little you understand about economics... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 01 Nov 12 - 06:11 PM Bobert, I showed links with little or no commentary,. this has NOTHING to do with Lyndon LaRouche as far as I know. and Bill D, Ron Paul had criticized Bush's policies as well. Paul has had pretty much the same message for well over a decade...not many listened..but he has told the truth while we all ignore it, but watch it unfold before our eyes everyday on the 'news'. His focus has been on the corrupt monetary policies, even when he was a 'Republican' ....and by the way Paul AND Kucinich voted against all the wars in the mid-east. He was NOT a rubber-stamp Republican, and in fact was in the speculation that he would run third party. Just for your information. Another addendum: once again, I get 'rebutted'(?) and accused of some stupid worn out old worthless talking point from some 'so-called liberal' whiner, who has no other comeback or 'rebuttal' than 'some stupid worn out old worthless talking point'. It's not working guys. So try learning something and keep up with, well at least the truth, as it unfolds in front of you....and stand up for truth and the American people(and human kind, in general) instead of blandly reciting some 'some stupid worn out old worthless talking point'. In your case, Don, it's like fencing and all you got is an overcooked noodle! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: GUEST,999 Date: 01 Nov 12 - 06:14 PM "kill off Federal reserve, the USAs main weapon to keep US competitive..." That would be a smart statement IF the US people had any control over it. As it is, they don't. So, let me ask, who does? Name names. |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 01 Nov 12 - 06:26 PM Agreed....only collectively as 'We The People...'....but that concept has been long out the window, thanks to the ideologues and parrots. All the masters of the monetary policies has to do, is make sure we do nothing! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Bobert Date: 01 Nov 12 - 06:30 PM The links are cherry-picked bullshit... They have as much in common with real-world economic theory as Doctor Spock has to a brain surgeon... This is all Hate-the-Feds, Hate-Obama pure USDA Choice right winged, *********Republican*********** BS thet you are peddling... You can say that you aren't a Republican until yer blues in the face but you sound more like one than any of them out there... Republican, Republican, Republican!!! B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: GUEST,999 Date: 01 Nov 12 - 08:49 PM Answer my question. Who owns the Fed? |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Don Firth Date: 01 Nov 12 - 09:00 PM Overcooked noodle, eh, GoofuS? Just wait 'til you sneeze! Gesundheit!! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Bobert Date: 01 Nov 12 - 09:13 PM No one actually owns the Fed, brucie... It is a quasi-federal agency with chairmen appointed and approved by the federal government... While it tries to stay independent of governmental pressures it has on occasion has leaned such as when Greenspan went along with the Bush tax cuts after saying they were stupid... But, for the most part, they work independently of the government, much to the dismay of many an administration... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: artbrooks Date: 01 Nov 12 - 09:25 PM Who owns the Fed? The Fed is a complex structure of national and regional committees and boards, with both governmental and non-governmental membership; the latter includes commercial banks. The highest level (the Board of Governors) is appointed by the President. All profits, after the deduction of operating expenses and a small (limited to 6%, by law) dividend to member banks, goes to the US Treasury. This was $77 billion in 2011. |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: GUEST,999 Date: 01 Nov 12 - 09:28 PM Right. So, who owns the Fed? |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Bobert Date: 01 Nov 12 - 09:33 PM No one and every one... I mean, like what's the big issue here??? The Post Office is the same... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Songwronger Date: 01 Nov 12 - 09:38 PM Did Obama order the murder of the Krim girls? Maybe. Here's my reasoning: Obama says he can kill anyone. He says the NDAA gives him that right. He kills the 16 year old son of Anwar al-Awlaki. The boy's an American citizen, not under sentence of anything, denied the judicial process, just flat-out killed by Obama. CNBC runs a story critical of the Obama administration. A Sr. Vice President's kids are immediately killed, and the story is pulled. So, you have to ask who benefitted from having the story pulled. The Obama administration, primarily. Lots of others would want the news suppressed, but the Obama people are in power right now, so they stand to lose the most. Anyway, Obama says he has the right to kill American children, and has in fact done the deed, so it's not much of a stretch to think that he would order the killing of those girls. I hope he gets re-elected so he has to face impeachment for his multitudinous crimes. Maybe this one will be among them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Bobert Date: 01 Nov 12 - 09:40 PM You need to thank Reagan, wronger, for your freedom... There was a tine when mentally ill people were locked up... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: GUEST,999 Date: 01 Nov 12 - 09:45 PM "Obama says he can kill anyone." Uh huh. Exactly when did he say this? ##################################### Bobert, you just obfuscated a question/answer. No one and everyone? Gimme a fuckin' break. Name names. Who is on the board of governors and are they on other boards--maybe of boss hog? |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Amos Date: 01 Nov 12 - 09:49 PM Bobert: Yer gonna wear yourself out if you keep dancing with nutballs and judging tinfoil contests like this. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Songwronger Date: 01 Nov 12 - 09:51 PM Just do a web search of the "NDAA" and "Kill lists," 999. Obama targets people to be killed, including American citizens. Obama, through his many mouthpieces, has said he can kill whomever he wants. The sick bastard even watches snuff films made by the drone bombers as they fall toward their targets. |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Bobert Date: 01 Nov 12 - 10:05 PM Okay, brucie... We have many "quasi-governmental" agencies/offices in the US... They are kinda hard to get yer thumb on... They are regulated but not completely managed by the US government... There are dozens of such agencies/offices/institutes... They are somewhat regulated, somewhat funded, somewhat______________(fill in yer own)... NIH (National Institute of Health) and USPS (Postal Service) are two of the better known.... Google "Quasi-governmental agncies" for complete list... Don't ask me why things evolved this way... A lot of it was push-pull politics of the day where folks in government didn't want the government having too much control over the agency/office/ institute... The Federal Reserve is such... There is a reason why there is a level of separation because when it was structured there was a concern that administrations would exert too much pressure on them... So who owns it??? Banks do, we do, economists do... I hope this helps, brucie... I'm not trying to avoid your question... I do know that that the republican party is demonizing the fed because they are afraid that it will take step that will improve the economy by buying up securities which, in essence, put money into the economy and the repubs want the economy to fail so they don't much like that... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Bobert Date: 01 Nov 12 - 10:09 PM They won't wear me down, Amos.... They are full of shit and uneducated... I will wear them down... They don't scare me at all... I will show them that this ol hillbilly ain't no dummy... I understand stuff better than they do... Ain't gonna work up no sweat over 'um... Like takin' candy from a baby... B;~) |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Bobert Date: 01 Nov 12 - 10:15 PM BTW, Amos... Let me give you just a little sneak peak into just how delussional the righties are.... They blame Dodd/Frank legislation for the ***2008*** meltdown... Dodd/Frank was passed and signed in ***2010***???? Hmmmmmmmmmm????? B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Songwronger Date: 01 Nov 12 - 11:12 PM That has to be the most ridiculous explanation of the nature of the Fed I've ever heard. The fed is a consortium of private banks. It took over money duties from the U.S. Treasury in 1913. We've been fucked ever since. Private banks now print our money and then loan it to our government. Our government puts us (citizens) up as collateral for those loans. Private banks have bought us as chattel through the Federal Reserve. We need to abolish the Fed. Return the printing of money to the U.S. Treasury. And to politicize something like this as a Republican/Democrat issue is pathetic. Bobert supports the 1% with his support of the Fed. His lack of understanding and his partisanship aren't insane, they aren't ignorant, they're...what? It's like an imbecile putting a gun to his head and pulling the trigger when the barrel's lined up with someone on the other side of the head. Such lack of understanding is that dangerous. |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Don Firth Date: 01 Nov 12 - 11:22 PM Songwronger, perhaps you are unaware of this, but using a pseudonym on the internet doesn't hide your identity. Your computer has a specific IP number. It's like your telephone number, and it's logged in, even if you're using wireless and cable. Everyplace you go and every website you look at and post to logs this number. You can be traced. If anyone wants to find out who "Songwronger" is, they may need a court order to get the information, but I doubt very seriously that anyone in the Federal Government would have any difficulty in finding out who you are, where you live, where you work, have a log of every post you've ever made, and know what you had for breakfast this morning, what color your sox are, and what brand of toothpaste you use. If President Obama really is as bad as you say, I suggest that you keep a sharp look over your shoulder. . . . Pleasant dreams. . . . Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: artbrooks Date: 02 Nov 12 - 01:31 AM The Federal Reserve does not print money. The Fed establishes monetary policy. Information on the Board of Governors can be found here; feel free to follow the links provided there to the Regional Banks if you want to know who is on those boards and on the various advisory committees. Money is printed by the US Department of the Treasury, Bureau of Printing and Engraving, at 14th and C Streets, SW Washington, DC 20228 and 9000 Blue Mound Road Fort Worth, TX 76131. Tours are available, if you want to see for yourself. Coins are produced by the Bureau of the Mint. |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 02 Nov 12 - 02:33 AM Regarding: Bobert: "Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Bobert Date: 01 Nov 12 - 06:30 PM " Bobert, ol' boy...you sound like you're coming apart at the seams...take it easy. Get some rest.(and I'm not being facetious). That being said, the videos were not 'cherry picked'....remember I while back in another thread dealing with the same topic, I posted a slug of these links..even the ones with the Democrat Congressman questioning these guys...and you came back saying there were too many for you to bother with..and because they weren't the usual music videos that I post....remember??...No, these are not cherry picked, in fact YouTube has plenty more if you want to REALLY educate yourself on the matter. This has been going on for a while. PBS aired two specials on T.V. One was called 'From Freedom to Fascism' and another was called 'The Obama Deception'. You can find them online..or at least info on them. I posted info on the first one of them, and some idiot shot it down because Aaron Russo(producer), in an interview introducing himself, told how he got his start by inventing and marketing women's bikini underwear, and went on building his career from that success. Poor little 'liberal mind just couldn't handle it after that, and turned off the video, and I was criticized from there...So much for party stupidity..one tends to stay locked into blocking information..once you think you 'know-it-all'. BTW, I don't recall that as being you, I think it was 'Catspaw'...but regardless, the post seem to wrongly discouraged others from watching the video, from PBS...a shame. The video explains a LOT of stuff, that one would think that the Democrats would be championing...and the hearings with the Democrat Congressman questioning Bernanke and other officials from the Fed during the subcommittee hearings SHOULD have been a clue to you, that this stuff was coming...IT IS NO SECRET!...Shit, I've been posting about it extensively for about four years now..Little Hawk, too. ...just in case you were interested.....and we're NOT the 'bad guys'..but nobody listens...and calls names. This is NOT a Democrat 'Party' problem any more than a Republican 'Party' problem...in is an American problem. How many times have you heard us try to tell you that the parties have been 'bought out'?..How many times have I mentioned 'corruption' to you??...How many times have I mentioned, party leaders being bought off to steer the 'little guys' in the party to believe their crap?....How many times have I mentioned, party leaders putting forth a program complete with 'noble causes' for the Fed to throw money at, while charging the American taxpayers interest? Now let's be real....you can't say that you are oblivious to all this...and it's a 'Republican smear thing...or Tea Party...or whatever...You've been getting good info from me about all this for a long time. Others have also brought forth info, and articles and links,.....but always falling on deaf ears. Puppets? Puppet-masters?? You never read those in my posts???? Corporate owned 'media'?...'so-called 'news''?? Who the hell you think is paying for all this??..and why??? All these repeated topics, I've brought to your attention. Jeff Immelt, who owned GE and NBC, and MSNBC...who got appointed 'Jobs Czar', by Obama, gets $500billion..to start jobs in China...and now is endorsing Romney???? Wake up my dear man! This has been, as I've said before, money laundering and a Ponzi scheme for a long time. Little Hawk wrote an eloquent piece following mine, in which he explained the 'Ponzi scheme on a grand scale, to you...he was then accused of being 'off'...and not taken seriously, by some.....THAT WAS STUPID! It's just that 'partisan politics' and its leaders are keeping the REAL issues facing the country AWAY from the public's attention, and substitute petty, but emotionally charged issues, to keep you distracted! Then you wake up one morning, and find the economy is over the edge, collapses, and someone steps in to the rescue, with all their rules..and a lot of bantered about 'civil rights' ain't in them!! Oh well, enough for now...some idiot-log is going to say it's too long, doesn't make sense, and drove him to drink... P.S. I'M ON YOUR SIDE!! (ever heard that before?) GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Henry Krinkle Date: 02 Nov 12 - 02:42 AM They believe all that crap they were taught in government schools. Civics. American History. Liberty. Democracy. Freedom. Propaganda. Hooey. =(:-( )) |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 02 Nov 12 - 02:46 AM Hey, Hi, Henry..you're on now...just wanted to say, you, Songwronger, Little Hawk, 'nobody in particular, Sawzaw have had it right for a while...and no one appreciates it. Well, kudos to ya'! Regards!! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Henry Krinkle Date: 02 Nov 12 - 02:53 AM Unthinking zombies. Republicans bad!!!!!!!!! Democrats good!!!!!!!!! It reminds me of Animal Farm. =(:-( )) |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 02 Nov 12 - 03:20 AM ...and the reverse is true as well. Shit!..Me?..I'm stickin' to writing music...keeps me objective, and impartial (politically speaking). Good music expresses the truth within, and resonates on the 'resonating node' within other souls...for that to happen, if you're composing, partisan politics is the furthest thing you keep from dulling your mind!!...and you can spot deceptive political crap....."The voice of deception has uneven rhythms...etc. etc."...and musically an 'uneven rhythm' sticks out like a sore thumb...and being as composing/playing music activates more neurons in the brain, than anything on the planet..including sex, some people's brains are just more sensitive to 'hearing' different things. Shit, they can't help it...they just aren't using all their brains..they've shut it off! As long as they see 'political solutions' as the door, and they see the door, they just see a door...and it's locked. Fuck THAT door! I think there is another consciousness to plug into..a higher consciousness...it produces music....original in sound...takes the listener away..out of their smallness....reminds them that they are spiritual beings......where they're from..what they are about... Regards, GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Henry Krinkle Date: 02 Nov 12 - 03:29 AM You're dead on. =(:-( )) |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 02 Nov 12 - 03:52 AM Henry, This is a quote from another thread I posted on, (Alternative to Science)...it's amazing that so many just don't see or hear it...: When asked how Beethoven wrote such beautiful music, Beethoven answered, Ludwig van Beethoven: "The vibrations on the air are the breath of God speaking to man's soul. Music is the language of God. We musicians are as close to God as man can be. We hear his voice, we read his lips, we give birth to the children of God, who sing his praise. That's what musicians are." I couldn't agree more!! I think the more the brain is activated....the more you pick up on. then it's just a matter of 'fine tuning it'! For what it's worth.... GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Bobert Date: 02 Nov 12 - 09:05 AM Ya'll Obama-haters are seriously confused people... The Fed ain't the problem... Our regulations on banking or lack there of are... Ya'll just have to have yer boogie-man because that's what small minds do... They find one simple target and fire away at it... If the wronger or GfinS would like I would be more than willing to debate either of them in a public forum with real debate judges on economics, monetary policy, the Federal Reserve, the real story behind the repeal of Glass-Steagall and or the meltdown of '08... As for me supporting the 1%??? That is D-E-L-U-S-I-O-N-A-L, ignorant, stupid, mentally challenged and a flat out L-I-E... Wronger is a seriously messed up individual... BTW, back to the original misconceived idea that Obama is responsible for the the current deficits and losses of net worth for average Americans let me remind all of you Obama haters that this meltdown occurred under George Bush, not Obama... Let me also remind you Obama haters that the annual percentage increase in federal spending is lower in each year that Obama has been president since the end of World War II (1.4%)... Let me also remind you Obama haters that the current deficit was predicted down to within 5% way back in 2006 because of tax policies that were in place and entitlement programs... Sorry if you Obama haters find the truth uncomfy but the truth is what it is so... ...here... Have a hanky you washrag crybabies... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Henry Krinkle Date: 02 Nov 12 - 09:11 AM Who hates Prez al-Obama? He's just a stooge and a puppet. Not worthy of hate. The deficits and corruption have been there for decades. Bush cranked it all up a few notches. =(:-( )) |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Bobert Date: 02 Nov 12 - 09:37 AM BTW, Obama hater... I forgot to tell you about the folks who are behind all this Fed-hatin'... It's the Republican Party because it wants to get back in power when it can rip of the working man even more... It's Wall Street because it wants to go back to setting it;s own rules and wants Dodd-Frank repealed... And it's all of the donors to Romney who want ax breaks and deregulation... And heres is the plan that have concocted... Make the fed the boggie man so that it doesn't put money back into the economy (through the purchasing of securities) so that the unemployment will stay high and therefore help defeat Obama... These same people would be Fed-lovers if one of their folks were in the White House... They would be heaping praise on the Fed... They would be pressuring the Fed to put even more $$$ into the economy... So, for ya'll Obama haters??? You are 24 carrot hypocrites... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Henry Krinkle Date: 02 Nov 12 - 09:46 AM (:-( ))(:-( l)(:-( o)(:-( 0)(:-( O)(:-( P)(:-( /)(:-( °)(:-( X) |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Bobert Date: 02 Nov 12 - 11:11 AM That post, Krinkx, makes more sense than anything that wronger has ever posted here... Another few nuggets for the Obama haters: Was the Federal Reserve behind the repeal of Glass-Steagall??? Was the Federal Reserve behind pushing sub-prime lending??? Does the Federal Reserve actually print money???? The answers to these three important questions are no, no and no... Here's the real deal that the Obama haters can't see because of their blind hatred of Obama: The crooks have shifted the blame from themselves and are trying to pin their greed and misdeeds on Ben Bernanke, the Fed and Dodd-Frank... This is nothing more than slight of hand and anyone falling for it is aligned with the Wall Street crooks... Reality 001 (bonehead, remedial, non-credit) B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: GUEST,Lighter Date: 02 Nov 12 - 11:14 AM The economic issue boils down to this: After eight years of GOP economics, prosperity turned into the worst recession since the '30s. Within two months of Obama's taking office, the economy started to slowly to improve and continues to improve nearly four years later. (Yes, Bush started the improvement just before he left office when he recognized his right-wing advisers were nuts. Finally!) Could the Obama recovery have gone faster? Maybe. Who knows? But the question is, if you hate the Dems, are you gullible enough to turn the whole shootin' match back to the exact same anti-regulatin' fools who caused the problem? And who promise to pick up where the same "conservative" policies left off. (It isn't really conservative when you bring the nation to its knees, then say you did everything right. And people believe you. But that's another thread.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Bobert Date: 02 Nov 12 - 12:29 PM Obama got all he could with the stimulus... Leading real economists were calling for $1.2T... The Repubs gave him roughly $700B with almost half in tax cuts... Yes, we would be further along had the $1.2T been approved... Another 2M jobs further along... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: GUEST,999 Date: 02 Nov 12 - 12:42 PM "The word politics is derived from the word poly, meaning many, and the word ticks, meaning bloodsucking parasites." Larry Hardiman |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: GUEST,999 Date: 02 Nov 12 - 12:48 PM So why doesn't the Fed invest in Americans? |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Bobert Date: 02 Nov 12 - 01:13 PM Well, brucie, it does... When it buys up securities from banks for cash that cash gets lent to Americans who in turn buy stuff... That's about all it can do... The government needs to do the rest... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: GUEST,999 Date: 02 Nov 12 - 04:00 PM OK. But why does a non-governmental agency have to do that? |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Bobert Date: 02 Nov 12 - 05:02 PM It's not exactly "non-government"... It is quasi-government... Much like the Postal Service... The reason why there is this buffer between what it does and what the government does is because it takes a good amount of the politics out of how the Fed works... That is important because monetary policy shouldn't become a political hot potato... I mean, the Fed is currently purchasing $40B a month in securities to try to bring the unemployment rate down... If Obama had ordered this then we would have a cluster-fuck on our hands... Same true if Bush had ordered it... This does keep the roller=coaster politics outta the equation and that... ...is a good thing... BTW, brucie, don't be confused with what the Fed does or doesn't do with the Wall Street meltdown... The Repubs want to push that narrative... The reality is that nothin' the Fed did caused the meltdown... The meltdown was caused by too much risky lending and a false sense of well being with the housing market... The Repubs, however, have been busting on the Fed because they are protecting their Wall Street donor's asses... The Repubs are trying to steer the narrative away from the crooks onto Ben Bernanke, Chris Dodd and Barney Frank... These people clearly didn't cause the meltdown... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: GUEST,999 Date: 02 Nov 12 - 05:35 PM Thanks, Bobert. I appreciate the straight info. |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Bobert Date: 02 Nov 12 - 06:01 PM Yer welcome... I know that understanding the Federal Reserve system ain't easy and even trying to bring it down to the most simplest leaves a lot to be desired... The Fed do so much more than setting monetary policy... They are both a lender and borrower of the federal government... Each of the 12 regional federal reserve banks are charged to regulate their member banks... This is where is get tricky... There are commercial banks that deal with Joe Sixpack and there are investment banks that deal with bundles of securities (collateral)... The Glass-Steagall Act or 1933 was passed because the investment banks crossed the line and got involved with too many risky loans with the Joe Sixpacks... That's what caused the Great Depression... Had the investment banks held more cash and not loaned it to risky borrowers there would have been liquidity at their level but... ...there wasn't... Thus Glass-Steagall which took them out of the higher risk arena and made them hold their cash... Glass_steagal was defeated because Citi-Bank wanted to get to the gravy so they hooked up with Senator Graham and pushed it thru Congress and Clinton was so battered by then then that he didn't have either the political capital or balls to veto it it so he just went along... What this did was open a flood gate of cash to be lent out and lent out it was... Lent out to almost anyone... Why not??? The commissions were big and lots of people in banking got every wealthy... Then came the crash or '08 and the part was over... Two years later the Dodd-Frank bill was passed... It is a lousy bill but it was all that the Repubs were going to allow to get passed... Yes, there are more regulations on loans but a number of banking tricks weren't addressed such as derivatives and credit default swaps which are very complex but allow certain people who can put them together or manage them to extract lots of $$$ (commissions) out of our banking system for themselves... What we need to do is restore Glass-Steagall and not allow the investment bankers to the gravy train... They make fine money with what they do and should just be happy... W@all Street hates that... They think they have the right to gamble any of the money... I mean, they are like compulsive gamblers and why not??? They see themselves as too big to fail... In other words... They don't lose... We do... This is on Congress to fix and not the Federal Reserve... I know this is some boring shit but that's the way the stuff works... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Songwronger Date: 02 Nov 12 - 09:33 PM So how come my dollar bills say "Federal Reserve Note" on them? The Fed is a group of private banks, so they may as well print "Chase Manhattan" on the bills. They could physically call in all their property, by the way (the bills in your wallet). ##### Don Firth, perhaps you are unaware of this, but using your real name on the internet doesn't hide your identity. Your ignorance has a specific IQ number. If anyone wants to find out who "Don Firth" is, they won't need a court order to get the information. If President Romney really is as bad as you say, I suggest that you keep a sharp look over your shoulder. . . . Pleasant dreams. . . . Songwronger |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Bobert Date: 02 Nov 12 - 09:43 PM The Federal Reserve is a keeper of federal money, wronger... The Treasury Department doesn't hold all of the US's money supply... The Treasury Department just pays bills... If there is extra money if is housed at the Federal Reserve... If there isn't then the government borrows from them... Your question demonstrates just how little you actually know about how stuff works and, therefor, just repeating tin-foil BS... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 03 Nov 12 - 12:26 AM Whadya' mean Bobert??..The Federal Reserve is NOT like the Post Office!! The Federal Reserve is a PRIVATE consortium of banks. The government 'owns' and directly pays the postal employees. The Fed, pays politicians to do whatever they tell them to do...including paying the postal employees. GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Don Firth Date: 03 Nov 12 - 12:29 AM I have no fear of Romney, Songwronger. He would never do anything to me. There wouldn't be any profit in it. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 03 Nov 12 - 12:42 PM Are you saying that you're worthless? GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: GUEST,999 Date: 03 Nov 12 - 01:10 PM Worthless? Mr Firth is an accomplished prose writer, accomplished nylon-stringed guitar player (flamenco), folk historian, thinker and helluva good guy. He has never bemoaned being in a wheelchair or any other 'feel sorry for himself' stuff. More of us could do with his intestinal fortitude and plain old courage to face the day. I think that remark was completely uncalled for and I really hope you have the guts to apologize for it. Bruce Murdoch |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Bobert Date: 03 Nov 12 - 01:17 PM No, GfinS.... The Postal Service is ]a quasi governmental agency... It is regulated by the US government but it's workers are workers of the USPS and not the federal government and it has it's own pension fund... That is one of the problems it us having now... Since the US government regulates it it is trying to imposed of the USPS an unrealistic pension program where USPS has to have major cash reserves set aside for retiring workers that is greater than that of the US government itself or any unions or corporations that have pension funds... Check it out... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 03 Nov 12 - 11:07 PM 999, (and Don), I know this about Don, and have deferred to him several times about music. I also know that he regards our relationship on here as challenging/entertaining as 'fencing'.9his words and concept). He should also know that I know that our 'sparring' has not been a 'hostile activity', but one that has given him something to 'compete' if you will), with. Certain topics, in the past I felt have been bantered, based on 'bad science'...and he was the one who either misstated my words, to try to gain an upper hand, which, in turn, has created a bias, as to where I'm coming from. All that aside, and even though WE get a 'shot in' at each other, I have nothing best best wishes for him and his health. I think under the 'skin' he knows this, as well...besides, he is an accomplished musician...the rest is just chatter...which most of us on here, when we're not actually playing, engage in. Regards, Guest from Sanity P.S....and Don, I really DO appreciate your knowledge of the composers. |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 03 Nov 12 - 11:15 PM Bobert, I have a son in law who is a local union leader, AT the USPS! I know both sides of the issue. The pension issues and other demands of the workers has more to do with non-competitive overheads, in pay and benefits, against a shrinking income, a demand for higher prices to mail, as opposed to the use of internet use, derived from e-mails taking the place of postage. Of course everybody wants more pay and higher benefits...but the capital is just not there. ou can blame anyone you want, or cite any party you want..but the bottom line, is what you just read! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Bobert Date: 03 Nov 12 - 11:52 PM Nah, yer son in law isn't telling you the truth on the pension issue, GFiInS... The pension issue has nothin' to do with unions or what postal service employees want... It has everything to do with Congressional Republicans trying to bust the USPS (management and labor) balls by requiring them to have more money in escrow for their current (and future) employees that is required of the federal government itself or any corporation in America... In other words??? Arbitrary standards pushed onto USPS that aren't the standards anywhere else in the universe... This isn't a labor dispute... This is a strong-armed dictatorial requirement that Congress is imposing on the USPS... Check it out... You'll find that I'm on this like ugly on Chongz... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 04 Nov 12 - 12:01 AM Bobert, with all due respects, you don't know what you're talking about. The postal service has had difficulty supporting its overhead, including wages and benefits with the income of the traffic of postal services....period! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Bobert Date: 04 Nov 12 - 12:21 AM BS, GfinS... You don't know what you are talking about... I've read a lot of stuff in the WaPo over the last 3 or so years on this... Here's the deal... Congressional Republicans have pushed the USPS into these Draconian pension demands for a reason... The USPS is a decent employer and when you've done yer time you get a decent pension... The Repubs hate decent pensions for anyone but double dipping big military people who do their military time, come out, go to work for defense contractors and end up making a couple hundred grand in pensions a year at age 65... NoVa is full of them... But let a friggin' letter carrier with worn out knees but in not 20 but 30 years and get $1500 a month in pensions and it's... ...horrors!!! Problem with your information is that it isn't the USPS "management" side that wants these pension reserves... Do you deny that??? If you do then your son in law is telling you a lie... Google up "USPS, pensions" and get the real story and please don't go tellin' me that I'm wrong on this 'cause I've been all over this one for a long time... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 04 Nov 12 - 12:38 AM ...back to the issue ..as far as the postal issue...I never said anything about 'management...don't try to re-structure the argument about issues off topic. GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Bobert Date: 04 Nov 12 - 12:39 AM Good night, GfinS... I just needed a little wind down time after tonight's gig... BTW, please do Google up USPS pensions and read not one but four or five of them and then you'll get what I am talking about here... This is ridiculous... If you had a recording studio and employed two people then you would be required to sock away the entire amount of their pensions plus the a portion of the pension of the folks who replace them when those two retire... That is BS politics... No company can survive having to do that... No government can either... Why is the USPS being held to a different standard than the rest of the universe??? Answer me that one, GfinS... Nightie... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 04 Nov 12 - 01:03 AM The income is not enough to sustain it all...besides most all pension funds are set aside to 'invest' in money markets or other places. When they go south, so does a lot of the capital investment. (Example: 401-K's and IRA's). I knew when that stuff came out, that it was an artificial way to bolster the markets!). They also raided the social security funds as well. How long have I been railing against corruption??...only to have some party partisan 'idiot-logue' try to shoot me down?..even if that person was you? Now there might be some lights going on now that it's comes time to pay the piper...and all the money has been embezzled, by way of the corrupt practices, of those you've trusted to represent and lead!! BTW, I think that has something to do with the thread topic! Hey, hope your gig was a good one...fill us in on it somewhere. GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Don Firth Date: 04 Nov 12 - 01:19 AM GoofuS: "I also know that he regards our relationship on here as challenging/entertaining as 'fencing'." I do!?? MY words and concept? Now, who's mistating whose words? SHEESH!!! Don Firth P. S. And thank you for your kind words, Bruce. |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 04 Nov 12 - 01:54 AM Do I really need to post your post in where you stated as much? Do I really need to post other's post in where they've called you on misstating original posts, an then argued the point from your misstatements?? ..or are you sparring now....again? GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 04 Nov 12 - 01:57 AM From my post, from another thread.... Bobert...read the first sentence carefully. See if you understand it! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 04 Nov 12 - 01:03 AM Only in America could the government collect more tax dollars from the people than any nation in recorded history, still spend a trillion dollars more than it has per year for total spending of $7 million PER MINUTE, and complain that it doesn't have nearly enough money. Go figure! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Bobert Date: 04 Nov 12 - 09:10 AM The doomsday sceneries are all smoke and mirrors created by the Republican Party, GFinS... There was not one mention of deficits when George W was running them up like a drunken sailor... Not a peep... And if John McCain had been elected in '08 there wouldn't be so much as a whisper today... That is reality... The Republicans have spent the last 4 years running around yelling "the sky is falling, the sky is falling"... Why???... To defeat Obama and get back to what they have been accustomed to and that is having one of their guys in the White House... That's what the doomsdayers are all about here... Here is a fact for you to check out, GFinS: The actual percentage increase in the federal budget under Obama is the lowest of any president since Truman @ 1.4%... And that with Baby Boomers retiring in droves... So let's keep this doomsday crap in some perspective... Here's something else to keep in perspective: You don't go paying off your credit cards when you are hurting... You do it when your are rolling... Ain't rocket surgery... You want a double dip recession then follow the UL model of austerity... That is about as eat up stupid than putting leeches on a sick man hoping the leeches will make him better... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Don Firth Date: 04 Nov 12 - 01:59 PM Fencing is a sport that's based on matters of honor, GoofuS. I don't fence with those who refuse to acknowledge when they have been cleanly touched. Not only is it unsportsmanlike, it's dishonest. One of the world's greatest fencers of the early twentieth century, Olympic gold medalist in 1921 and professional fencing champion of Europe for ten years, Aldo Nadi (on the right) once remarked that "You can tell more about man's character by fencing with him for ten minutes than you can from hours of conversation." In my teen years, I was a pupil of one of Nadi's students. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Bobert Date: 04 Nov 12 - 07:07 PM How many folks out there think that anyone rightie would admit to being "touched"??? Just raise your hands. por favor... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Greg F. Date: 04 Nov 12 - 09:14 PM Sure you don't mean "tetched"? |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 04 Nov 12 - 11:17 PM ....and when was that????? GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 05 Nov 12 - 02:30 AM Sadly enough, you'll like it....though it is sad. and not likable! watch it!!! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 05 Nov 12 - 11:06 AM For as much as some of you think that all I do is bag on the Dems, you might want to view the links. I';; bag on the Republicans as well...and this is pretty big!....That being said, there's plenty on the Dems, too...but this takes a shot at the other side! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Bobert Date: 05 Nov 12 - 11:45 AM You may bag Repubs, GfinS but you also parrot one boat load of Republican talking points, especially the "both sides" gem of pure 100% USDA Choice Republican PR propaganda... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 05 Nov 12 - 01:56 PM Hey, numbskull...THIS is NOT from the Republicans....but is true. Watch it. See if it rings any bells for you! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Don Firth Date: 05 Nov 12 - 02:13 PM THis is a "must see" for everybody, But especially for YOU, Goofus! CLICKY Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Stringsinger Date: 05 Nov 12 - 04:28 PM The Spire Group is connected to Morgan Stanley and other Wall Street frauds. This is an obviously bogus law suit instigated by more 1 %'ers to make life miserable for Obama. These accusations are utter bullshit designed by the wealthy radical GOP operatives. You can't trust the veracity of this law suit. |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Stringsinger Date: 05 Nov 12 - 04:32 PM Founded in 1986, Spire Group Limited is a privately held corporation specializing in the acquisition, design, construction and management of public refrigerated warehouses ("PRW") and logistics business. Headquartered in Toronto, Canada, Spire Group Limited, with its subsidiaries and affiliates, design, construct and operate industry leading distribution centers in partnership with progressive manufacturers and distributors. We achieve efficiencies and economies by integrating proven supply chain technologies with a depth of experience and a commitment to operational excellence and profitability for all partners. Spire Group Limited in 2009, through its North American subsidiary, Everest Cold Storage, designed and built a 4,500,000 cubic foot facility with 14,900 pallet positions in Montreal, Quebec. Spire is currently exploring acquisitions and new development opportunities throughout North America. Spire Group Limited's European subsidiary, Everest Kool Solutions, is aggressively developing joint venture relationships in Republic of Georgia, Spain, Romania, Guatemala, India, Australia, New Zealand, Ukraine, and Russia as the demand for sophisticated modern public refrigerated warehousing (PRW) is increasing around the world. Spire Group Limited is a member of the International Association of Refrigerated Warehouses ("IARW"), a world-wide association that aggressively promotes more efficient distribution services, aids members in new technology, advises members in complying with local and international regulations; participate in alliances with industry and international organizations having interest in the safe and efficient flow of food products. In other words, more Chamber of Commerce bullshit. |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: Bobert Date: 05 Nov 12 - 04:51 PM Two political journalists from opposing sides, Thomas E. Mann of the somewhat "liberal" Brookings Institute and Norman J. Ornstead of the conservative American Enterprise Institute wrote an op-ed column for the Washington Post entitled "Let's just say it: The Republicans are the problem" on April 27, 2012... In that article they described that various extreme tactics being use by the right and the Republican Party... Yes, we are polarized, that is not the issue... The issue is that the Republican Party is rude, arrogant, ill-tempered and not willing to compromise on anything... Liberals are perfectly willing to sit down and work toward policies that work... The current Republicans aren't and that is not debatable... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 06 Nov 12 - 12:24 AM The bankster/corporate media decides and promotes the division amongst the people. They raise the issues to be 'discussed' and omit the news that points the finger at the real perpetrators. This is neither Republican, nor Democrat in partisanship..it is both. Both parties vie for the money, or what share of it they can get, to promote whatever program/war/project(s) that they can overcharge the government and taxpayers. For a time the Republicans get to have at it, the pendulum swings and then the Democrats get a whack at it. Though the program/war/project(s) may appear to be different, the game is the same! It just goes back and forth, and the American public(and the rest of the world) stand hopelessly by and get the shit kicked out of them...while the guys at the top make out like bandits! Regardless who is in power, or who wins the 'elections'(?), we, like humble servants, regardless of party affiliation, are brought under the power of this huge 'machine'. Hasn't your painful EXPERIENCE watching this taught you anything? Regardless though, whichever party wins, and who ever is President, like it or not, he is still our President...and the government we vote in, is still our elected government. Until lawful changes are legislated, that's what we got...but that will never happen...as long as the divisions are believed.....naively! Though one or another party's administration, or both, may not be popular, and makes life 'miserable' for the people, especially those of the 'opposite party' by means of subjugation, or by sheer disappointment (like the present one), music still has the ability to reach the humanity inside us and others, and as long as we act lawfully, that is what we/I shall be doing....maybe even raise the consciousness of the people...though you'd never know it, judging from some of the posts on here!! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: $43 Trillion Suit against Obama, et al From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 06 Nov 12 - 02:05 PM ...and another Koch bros. scandal.... Yes folks..it IS both sides! GfS |
