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Subject: BS: Medical??? Swollen leg, redish/blue... From: Bobert Date: 29 Oct 12 - 08:39 PM Well, the P-Vine went to visit her old gardening mentor who is 84 years old and isn't really getting the best of medical care and... ...this woman has swelling below her knee and then her leg gets very thin and is reddish/blue in color and needless to say hurts... Other than telling us to tell her to get better doctoring anyone know what this might be??? B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Medical??? Swollen leg, redish/blue... From: Bill D Date: 29 Oct 12 - 08:43 PM restricted blood flow.... I'd guess... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Medical??? Swollen leg, redish/blue... From: Bill D Date: 29 Oct 12 - 08:47 PM Or some sort of infection.... or both |
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Subject: RE: BS: Medical??? Swollen leg, redish/blue... From: Bobert Date: 29 Oct 12 - 08:54 PM Her friend says it's been like this for awhile, Bill... I think that rules out infection... If it is circulation then what is the treatment... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Medical??? Swollen leg, redish/blue... From: Bill D Date: 29 Oct 12 - 09:05 PM It could be as simple as occluded veins...by plaque..etc... meds for such until it's bad enuf to need surgery |
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Subject: RE: BS: Medical??? Swollen leg, redish/blue... From: Dorothy Parshall Date: 29 Oct 12 - 09:07 PM Could be phlebitis. Ice packs might help if it seems inflamed. How is her BP? IF it were bad circulation, it would feel cold to her? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Medical??? Swollen leg, redish/blue... From: Bobert Date: 29 Oct 12 - 09:17 PM Don't know about the PB... I'll suggest that the P-Vine ask her friend... Meds, Bill??? B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Medical??? Swollen leg, redish/blue... From: Bill D Date: 29 Oct 12 - 09:28 PM *IF* it is one type of thing, they can dissolve stuff inside veins & arteries with some meds. But I am NOT an expert in this stuff. You all know she needs to see a doc.... I hope that is possible soon. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Medical??? Swollen leg, redish/blue... From: GUEST,999 Date: 29 Oct 12 - 09:33 PM Do you have medical doctors where you are and if so can you get to them? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Medical??? Swollen leg, redish/blue... From: Bobert Date: 29 Oct 12 - 09:34 PM Thanks, Bill... You have been of help... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Medical??? Swollen leg, redish/blue... From: Stilly River Sage Date: 29 Oct 12 - 09:39 PM PLEASE take her to an emergency room ASAP. Phlebitis can result in instant death if the clot moves. My father died of a pulmonary embolism from undiagnosed phlebitis. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Medical??? Swollen leg, redish/blue... From: Bobert Date: 29 Oct 12 - 09:40 PM Yo, brucie... This ol' gal ain't easy to get to doctors... I figured that if we could find some home remedies then we might make some progress... Old people is funny... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Medical??? Swollen leg, redish/blue... From: Crowhugger Date: 29 Oct 12 - 09:42 PM Being a long time like this doesn't rule out infection, just that it could be present in the skin or shallow tissues rather than in the deeper tissues. Does she spend all her time sitting or reclining, or does she get completely horizontal at rest and do a fair bit of standing, bending and walking during the day? Is she diabetic, or possibly undiagnosed type II? Is there any occasional blood leakage from the red & blue area? Is the skin is poor condition on lower legs? If you asked her this stuff would she tell you the truth? People her age often fear being taken away from their home and never being able to return. With good reason unfortunately. It could be something fairly easy to fix with medication and compression socks. Or it could be something more complex and difficult to treat like peripheral arterial disease or advanced complications of diabetes. Or could be a bunch of stuff I know nothing about. In my unqualified non-medical opinion: The symptoms described could mean serious problems. To know one way or the other, she requires diagnosis by a qualified, non-ageist, non-sexist medical professional. If she has no fever, she should keep her legs above her heart to reduce swelling and discomfort until a proper solution is found; start looking tomorrow. If she has even a low-grade fever, she should be taken immediately tonight to emergency medical facility to rule out an infection which, even if "only" in the skin, could easily spread elsewhere in the body including to heart valves (all the faster by raising the legs), which is very difficult to treat. Anyway that's what I'd want to arrange if it was my relative, friend or neighbour. The person also has to be willing and, in the good ole yew ess of eh, money must be available or raised. Best of luck! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Medical??? Swollen leg, redish/blue... From: Bobert Date: 29 Oct 12 - 09:48 PM Actually, this woman is out in her garden every day... She has her son do the planting but she's always pruning, weeding, raking... Very busy... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Medical??? Swollen leg, redish/blue... From: Crowhugger Date: 29 Oct 12 - 09:59 PM That's great, means recovery will be much easier, whatever is found to be wrong. Hope I have that much energy at her age! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Medical??? Swollen leg, redish/blue... From: GUEST,999 Date: 29 Oct 12 - 11:35 PM Bobert, fuck home remedies. She has a serious problem and Mudcat ain't the answer. She NEEDS to be seen by a doctor. As SRS said, she should be in a hospital, not on the internet. That is a no-shit statement. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Medical??? Swollen leg, redish/blue... From: Bert Date: 30 Oct 12 - 01:35 AM Tree had a similar problem, it turned out to be a collapsed vein in her groin. She is getting better now but was bedridden for over six months. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Medical??? Swollen leg, redish/blue... From: Richard Bridge Date: 30 Oct 12 - 04:31 AM I concur. Doctor - maybe better hospital. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Medical??? Swollen leg, redish/blue... From: Leadfingers Date: 30 Oct 12 - 06:41 AM Despite the problems with the Post Code Lottery for SOME expensive treatment ,I thank God for our N H S ! , Free at point of contact so NO risk of Bankruptcy just for going to a doctors surgery ! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Medical??? Swollen leg, redish/blue... From: Bobert Date: 30 Oct 12 - 09:11 AM This woman has Medicare so I don't understand why she won't go be seen for this condition... I'll have the P-Vine call her and nag her... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Medical??? Swollen leg, redish/blue... From: Rapparee Date: 30 Oct 12 - 09:45 AM Get an old sock. Fill it with sand. Knot the end closed. Tap her gently just behind the ear with the sock. Now stuff her in the car and TAKE HER TO AN EMERGENCY ROOM! It's damned hard to garden with a peg leg, and it's even harder to do it when you're dead. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Medical??? Swollen leg, redish/blue... From: Bill D Date: 30 Oct 12 - 10:01 AM If you sharpen a peg-leg, you can set out tomato plants.....but yes, call and nag her... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Medical??? Swollen leg, redish/blue... From: Lonesome EJ Date: 30 Oct 12 - 11:04 AM Where's her son in all of this? Get together with him for an intervention on this and induce, or trick, her into going for medical help. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Medical??? Swollen leg, redish/blue... From: Bobert Date: 30 Oct 12 - 11:19 AM I like the sock idea... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Medical??? Swollen leg, redish/blue... From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 30 Oct 12 - 12:33 PM This is not the place to ask for medical advice. A proper medical evaluation is needed. Rather than the sand-filled sock, perhaps a few slugs of good old mountain dew to put her in an amenable mood. Some basic information can be gleaned from the Mayo Clinic site and the National Health sites, but treatment should be determined by a doctor. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Medical??? Swollen leg, redish/blue... From: deepdoc1 Date: 30 Oct 12 - 12:42 PM Self diagnosis is dangerous, even with the "unerring accuracy" of the internet. Anything from bone cancer to thrombosis to septicmia if left too long. Everyone has a right to ignore advice equally, but a visit to the Dr. is the right answer. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Medical??? Swollen leg, redish/blue... From: Bobert Date: 30 Oct 12 - 01:00 PM Sometimes other folks have had medical experiences which are helpful, Q... The P-Vine was just looking for some things that it might be to give her some ammunition in trying to persuade here friend to seek treatment... Some older people think they can just wait stuff out... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Medical??? Swollen leg, redish/blue... From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 30 Oct 12 - 01:01 PM A visit by doctor might be a even better. But maybe that's beyond the reach of possibility. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Medical??? Swollen leg, redish/blue... From: GUEST,Eliza Date: 30 Oct 12 - 01:20 PM Could be serious. Doctor ASAP! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Medical??? Swollen leg, redish/blue... From: maeve Date: 30 Oct 12 - 01:30 PM Bobert- Knowing medical attention is vital...check to see who in the area will make house calls. Some practices are again making it an available service. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Medical??? Swollen leg, redish/blue... From: topical tom Date: 30 Oct 12 - 02:32 PM As I see it she has a choice-doctor or probably death. She needs to be made to seek medical help ASAP. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Medical??? Swollen leg, redish/blue... From: Bobert Date: 30 Oct 12 - 02:40 PM She has seen her GP doctor who told her to get compression stockings... No tests, no real diagnosis, no nothin'... I mean, for ya'll to tell me that she needs to get some decent doctorin' isn't of any help... This old broad has a head of granite... Sweet lady but you don't exactly go pushing her into anything... She figures since her GP doctor told her to wear compression stockings that if she does just that and nothin' else then all will be fine??? I don't think so and nor does the P-Vine... The P-Vine pushed on her quite a bit yesterday and just got pushed back... That's why I was hoping that someone would have had similar symptoms or condition so that the P-Vine would have more ammo for the next round of pushing... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Medical??? Swollen leg, redish/blue... From: gnu Date: 30 Oct 12 - 02:58 PM Been there, Bobert, many times with Mum... again today as a matter of fact on TWO counts of scared-of-the-doc. Like you said, "Old people is funny..." But, she's 86 and she takes Tylenol Arthritis pills and that's all she takes, so.... ? Good luck. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Medical??? Swollen leg, redish/blue... From: maeve Date: 30 Oct 12 - 04:09 PM Sorry, Bobert and gnu. When a person doesn't accept help there's little one can do...outside of direct intervention. I've been there. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Medical??? Swollen leg, redish/blue... From: katlaughing Date: 30 Oct 12 - 04:59 PM I would think SRS's posting about her father's untimely death might be enough of an incentive? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Medical??? Swollen leg, redish/blue... From: Dorothy Parshall Date: 30 Oct 12 - 08:42 PM Well, here is a story for her. A friend of mine about her age, walked next door - a couple hundred yards, to visit the neighbours - cottagers who were not up very often. The husband was a doctor and the next thing we knew, Peggy was in the hospital for a double amputation. Diabetes induced problem. I had to rush over to her house to rescue her two dogs because the doctor was going to take them to the pound. That's how fast it moved at the end - the end of ignoring a growing problem. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Medical??? Swollen leg, redish/blue... From: Bobert Date: 30 Oct 12 - 08:51 PM Diabetes??? Okay... That's some good stuff to us on the P-Vine's friend... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Medical??? Swollen leg, redish/blue... From: Lonesome EJ Date: 31 Oct 12 - 12:50 AM My mom had a foot infection that was diabetes connected, and lost her sight during the course of the infection. And that's a damned good reason to get this under control now. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Medical??? Swollen leg, redish/blue... From: GUEST,999 Date: 31 Oct 12 - 05:46 PM Show her this picture. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Medical??? Swollen leg, redish/blue... From: Bobert Date: 31 Oct 12 - 06:56 PM Yikes!!! That is one nasty foot... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Medical??? Swollen leg, redish/blue... From: gnu Date: 31 Oct 12 - 09:07 PM Is it just me? I don't seem to be able to follow this thread flow anymore... ??? What is it youse are all saying? contributing? Sorry for my "misunderstandings". bigdumbgnu... eh? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Medical??? Swollen leg, redish/blue... From: Bobert Date: 31 Oct 12 - 09:11 PM Well, seems that it boils down to half the people telling us to have the P-Vine's friend get medical treatment and the other half throwing out some decent ideas on what it could be... is is tough because this woman is old and hard headed and doesn't do "push" too well... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Medical??? Swollen leg, redish/blue... From: Rapparee Date: 31 Oct 12 - 09:14 PM Red is inflammation, blue is lack of blood oxygen. Lack of blood oxygen = gangrene. Search out images for "gangrene foot" but don't look too far into it if you want to keep your supper down. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Medical??? Swollen leg, redish/blue... From: GUEST,999 Date: 01 Nov 12 - 04:36 AM The foot picture I linked to is from a gangrene page of images. The one shown is from a lucky person. That is, someone still alive. This one wasn't as 'lucky'. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Medical??? Swollen leg, redish/blue... From: Rapparee Date: 01 Nov 12 - 10:33 AM Sandbag her and take her to a GOOD doctor. Some gangrene might be cured without amputation by a hyperbaric chamber or certain other ways involving flooding the tissues with pure oxygen, but don't let it get that far. Diabetics are especially susceptible. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Medical??? Swollen leg, redish/blue... From: SINSULL Date: 01 Nov 12 - 03:19 PM Scare the S**t out of her. Make it clear that if she does not see a doctor she is likely to end up in an ER or a nursing home with very little to say about her care. She's old and ornery but I'll bet she is not stupid. SINS, also one to postpone inevitable doctor visits - two bouts of pneumonia to prove it |
