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Subject: BS: Why do half my posts vanish? From: Little Hawk Date: 20 Oct 12 - 11:03 AM I often discover...sometimes a day later...that a lengthy post I wrote in response to something Bobert or Don Firth or someone else never went through for some reason. It apparently vanished into thin air when I hit the "Submit Message" button, because it's not there. This happens a lot! I'd say that it happens maybe 1/3 to 1/2 of the time. Why?????????? Anyone else having this problem? If I don't remember to block and save the post before I hit "Submit Message", just in case, it's quite likely that I'll never see it again. This means a lot of hard thinking and studious typing ends up in the the dustbin of eternity, never to be read by anyone! (sob!) Oh, the injustice of it all!!!!!!!!!!! Like I said, anyone else having this problem? And will THIS post ever be read? Gosh, I better block and save it right NOW to be sure... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why do half my posts vanish? From: Little Hawk Date: 20 Oct 12 - 11:04 AM Ah, good....there it is. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why do half my posts vanish? From: Stilly River Sage Date: 20 Oct 12 - 11:08 AM If you don't check as soon as you sent it to see if it took, then you will lose the opportunity to use the "back" button and retrieve it (copy or Control A and then Control C) then refreshing the thread (F5) and pasting and resending. It happens enough that I always look now to see if it was published, and if it is an important post I copy and paste it into notepad so I don't lose it before it takes in the system. It may happen more often than you realize, but you only notice it on the important posts. :) SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why do half my posts vanish? From: Little Hawk Date: 20 Oct 12 - 11:11 AM Yes, quite so. But why do they not take? Does it have something to do with phases of the Moon? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why do half my posts vanish? From: Bill D Date: 20 Oct 12 - 11:28 AM This problem has been intermittent at Mudcat for years...I have posted about it a dozen times.. with ways to avoid or mitigate it. However, I don't LOSE the post as long as I don't close the browser or shut down Windows. My browser, Opera, keeps the text in the box while I am my current online session. If I post 12 times in a session, I can go 'back' to any one of them. Of course, if I post again to #3 without going FORWARD and opening it, the posts after #3 are lost. Of course, if I don't look to see that my post took, it doesn't help much. So.... IF you post and nothing changes- meaning that thread doesn't come to the top, go **back**, copy the post (if you haven't already) and hit **reload** in your browser...not *refresh* in Mudcat. Then reopen the thread and repost. It puts a new copy of the Mudcat 'home' page in your browser's cache. This has never failed for me. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why do half my posts vanish? From: Megan L Date: 20 Oct 12 - 11:30 AM sometimes if i am tired for some reason my brain guides the mouse to the HOME click below the submit very frustrating when i realise next day my brilliantly witty post did not get sent. Mind you sometimes that is a blessing in disguise since something that seemed good when tired was perhaps actually best left unsaid. :) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why do half my posts vanish? From: Richard Bridge Date: 20 Oct 12 - 11:32 AM I've had a few recently that were not retrievable on the back button either. But I haven't had as many as LH. I suspect he's too clever for Max's hardware and software as well as for us! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why do half my posts vanish? From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 20 Oct 12 - 11:46 AM Would you like a key to the clone room so you can do it too? Sincerely, Gargoyle the bitters are fresh but avoid the cookies which are stale and tend to crumble. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why do half my posts vanish? From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 20 Oct 12 - 11:48 AM It seems to happen quite often. I try to make a point of checking and reposting if necessary. I suspect it may be something to do with two people posting at the same time. Perhaps a mudelf can enlighten us. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why do half my posts vanish? From: Bert Date: 20 Oct 12 - 12:12 PM 'cos you're half pissed maybe:-) One reason is that websites such as Facebook use 'enter' to post rather that hitting a submit button. So you automatically hit enter and nothing happens. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why do half my posts vanish? From: MGM·Lion Date: 20 Oct 12 - 12:27 PM Ones which I am particularly concerned not to lose, I "Select All, Copy, & Paste" into a World Book or Text Edit new sheet and leave it on Desktop. Then, even if Back Button doesn't work, it can be copied & pasted into Reply To Thread again. Usually works this second time. But doesn't LH [doesn't everybody] immediately go back to menu to check that thread has risen to top, blue, to indicate a new posting, and then check that one's own just submitted is there? If not, then no wonder you get some surprises at a later date! ~M~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why do half my posts vanish? From: GUEST,Stim Date: 20 Oct 12 - 12:35 PM Is it just you, Little Hawk, or are Shane and Chongo having the problem too? I shudder to think that we've missed 1/3 to 1/2 of their posts. I know that Chongo might check and repost, but Shane is very much, "I said it once, why say it again?" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why do half my posts vanish? From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp Date: 20 Oct 12 - 02:20 PM I've had posts disappear that woulda made yer hair curl and yer teeth chatter, Stim. As for Shane, that moron could be missin' his own head when he walked out the door and probably never even notice. He would not last long in the jungle. Maybe 5 or 10 minutes. - Chongo |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why do half my posts vanish? From: Jack the Sailor Date: 20 Oct 12 - 03:33 PM It happens. I've submitted a post three times and only had the fourth one take by exiting the thread reloading the forum (or refreshing it in the browser) and posting a fourth time. Up to this point, it has been an irritation and a frustration but now I want to thank the designers for any little thing that makes it harder for Shame and Chonbo. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why do half my posts vanish? From: GUEST,Stim Date: 20 Oct 12 - 03:35 PM I don't know, Chongo. You have to do something really stupid to last only 5-10 minutes in the jungle, and Shane is not that creative. Also, predators rely on a sight, smell, and sounds and he is pretty frightening in all of those areas. He has an eerie glow from all the years in the Blind River Uranium Mines(no one knows why he was there, he was not a miner) and most known species avoid him. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why do half my posts vanish? From: Steve Shaw Date: 20 Oct 12 - 03:41 PM The odd thing is that the lost message isn't even saved on the CommentSave software I downloaded to mitigate this very issue. Best to just right-click and copy before sending if it's a big message. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why do half my posts vanish? From: Elmore Date: 20 Oct 12 - 04:44 PM This has happened to me several times recently. It's particularly frustrating because I type about 5 words a minute. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why do half my posts vanish? From: JohnInKansas Date: 20 Oct 12 - 04:53 PM I have positively identified the NUMBER ONE cause of lost posts for me. When I've spent a longer than usual time composing, editing, proofing, and viewing an especially brilliant and fascinating post, THE CAT gets bored, decides he's hungry, and walks across the keyboard to get my attention. Sometimes I just have to reboot, since he finds keys I had no idea existed, and the computer does things I didn't know it could do. It will be noted that we have three cats, and only one, THE CAT, does this. He's old and probably senile. I have considered whether he might not get much older, but he's sort of a favorite for HER. (Fortunately there's only one HER in the house.) LH's problem is most likely 'cause one of the weiners is chewing on the modem cable. Peanut butter on a power cord might solve his problem, if it encouraged the weiner to chew it instead, but unfortunately THE CAT has fearsome "protection" so my problem appears to have no readily available resolution. Attempts to train HER to feed THE CAT on a more regular schedule have been completely unsuccessful. John |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why do half my posts vanish? From: Bobert Date: 20 Oct 12 - 06:10 PM Guess you didn't get the memo, LH... Mudcat has installed software that searches for identical posts and if you have posted something exactly the same a hunnert times then you have reached you limit... Try changing a word or two here and there... B;~) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why do half my posts vanish? From: gnu Date: 20 Oct 12 - 06:17 PM ALWAYS compose your post.. no matter the length... NO matter the length... and copy it before you hit submit. This has been a problem for YEARS and has been addressed before. The simultaneous posting syndrome mentioned above is the most likely culprit in THIS particular case as LH does not do drugs, does not drink devil beverages and does shun women of ill repute... or so he says... >;-) Me? When I do same, I can't be sure if it was me or poor timing. Usually me, I expect. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why do half my posts vanish? From: Jack the Sailor Date: 20 Oct 12 - 06:17 PM Bobert LOL!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why do half my posts vanish? From: GUEST,Grishka Date: 20 Oct 12 - 06:32 PM It is one of those dear old bugs in the Mudcat script. I have the feeling it has something to do with other postings to the same thread in the time between our downloading the text (the URL ending with the number of messages) and submitting our message. Joe Offer usually tells us that the reason is our browser caches, and thus it is our own fault. I am not convinced. Anyway, most of us do as indicated above: keep the text, and repost it until it arrives. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why do half my posts vanish? From: Bobert Date: 20 Oct 12 - 07:16 PM Thought you'd like that one, Jack... B;~) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why do half my posts vanish? From: GUEST,999 Date: 20 Oct 12 - 07:30 PM "Why do half my posts vanish?" Why do your posts varnish what? Keriste, this is a screwed up thread. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why do half my posts vanish? From: JohnInKansas Date: 20 Oct 12 - 07:56 PM My own guess is that some of the problems may come from "pack collisions" when the 'cat gets multiple connection attempts at once. Depending on buffer sizes/space available sometimes one gets dropped. Another likely cause most times may be because a "relay" server somewhere between the one posting and the 'cat may drop or delay things due to the same kind of traffic. With DDOS attacks so popular currently, it's safe to assume that somebody, somewhere is trying to block some site somewhere else at any given time, and all the servers in everyone's paths to the sites they're trying to use are quite likely to be uselessly overloaded - somewhere. The 'net is also overburdened with excessive and often badly designed JScript and experimental "HTML6" that cause a lot of really stupid errors, delays, and misdirections; and Adobe, via both Reader and Flash, both overused, distributes a very large percentage of malware currently being circulated, so infections are "everywhere." The result is that the whole internet is so full of trash that selecting dinner from the menu is a lot like scrounging in a garbage dump. (Just remember that even the hogs won't eat the tomatoes in the bottom of the trough.) The point here is that every connection to mudcat probably goes through multiple links and relays to get back and forth. My personal impression is that most of the "faults" I see are somewhere in the in-between (although I haven't been bothered enough to look for much proof of it). John |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why do half my posts vanish? From: GUEST,999 Date: 20 Oct 12 - 08:17 PM I don't know if this relates, but someone said s/he had troubles when other folks were posting at/real near the same time. I've 'seen' that too. FWIW |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why do half my posts vanish? From: Joe Offer Date: 20 Oct 12 - 08:23 PM You're right, Grishka. There ought to be something in the design of the Mudcat Website that prevents the loss of posts, but we're working with software from the 1990s and we have to do the preventive work ourselves. We can justifiably blame Mudcat for its inadequacy and lament the loss of the posts, or perhaps we can put the blame on Mudcat moderators for censoring all our posts; or we can do what it takes to prevent the loss. So....all you have to do is get into the habit of saving every post before you submit it, and then checking to make sure it "took." Here's the procedure:
The problem isn't frequent enough for me to recommend reloading the page before every post you make, but it's an idea. So, this is like using a condom. If you use it beforehand, it's a good preventive measure and it isn't very difficult to do. If you don't use "precautions" before you post, then you can use the "back" button on your browser and you can usually get back to the text you typed. If you simply "submit" that text again, it will most probably fail to post again. You have to copy the text, reload the page, and then paste the text into the box and submit. So, remember: Condoms-Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why do half my posts vanish? From: gnu Date: 20 Oct 12 - 08:29 PM "Joe Offer usually tells us that the reason is our browser caches, and thus it is our own fault. I am not convinced." Hehehehehehehehehehggggahahahaa! Sorry. Joe but... you know why that struck me funny. Grishka... if you asked me to tell you how to fix your stalling engine I would say, "sight unseen", change out the fuel filter to start with, on accounta that is the cheapest thing that might be a problem. Joe was right to suggest the fuel filter first. As far as you implying Joe is accusing you of being at fault, I kinda doubt that. Or was that a joke? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why do half my posts vanish? From: Bee-dubya-ell Date: 20 Oct 12 - 08:54 PM Half of my posts disapp It's always the right hal The left half seems to b |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why do half my posts vanish? From: Joe Offer Date: 20 Oct 12 - 09:13 PM ear. f. e OK. ;-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why do half my posts vanish? From: Bill D Date: 20 Oct 12 - 09:24 PM LOLOL!! It takes teamwork! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why do half my posts vanish? From: GUEST Date: 21 Oct 12 - 12:09 AM es! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why do half my posts vanish? From: GUEST,Guest from sanity Date: 21 Oct 12 - 02:11 AM Why do half my posts vanish? Invisible ink?? GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why do half my posts vanish? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 21 Oct 12 - 02:19 AM Well, Little Hawk....being as you are presumed to be witty person, and with all the advancements in computer technology, and computer editing, ...maybe in reality you might just be a half wit! Smiling, GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why do half my posts vanish? From: Little Hawk Date: 21 Oct 12 - 09:00 AM ARGH!!! ;-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why do half my posts vanish? From: Bobert Date: 21 Oct 12 - 09:19 AM There were two lines... One had a sign reading "Half wits enter here" and the other a sign that read "No wits enter here"... What was LH to do, GfinS??? I mean, even for a half-wit this is a no-brainer... B;~) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why do half my posts vanish? From: Pete Jennings Date: 21 Oct 12 - 11:36 AM If LH went for a brain scan would the result be negative? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why do half my posts vanish? From: Little Hawk Date: 21 Oct 12 - 12:03 PM It might...if the brain scanning machine was the Ayn Rand model. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why do half my posts vanish? From: GUEST,999 Date: 21 Oct 12 - 12:31 PM "Why do half my posts vanish?" Grasshopper, they simply vanish from your sight, but they live on in the never-ending ether of the heavens. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why do half my posts vanish? From: Backwoodsman Date: 21 Oct 12 - 12:34 PM I just posted to the Great Train Snobbery thread, and my post disappeared into the MBH (Mudcat Black Hole). WTF? I can't be arsed to type it all again, so the thread will have to do without me. Now, will this one disappear too??? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why do half my posts vanish? From: Bill D Date: 21 Oct 12 - 12:38 PM Your posts have simply been 'chainged' to an alternate reality |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why do half my posts vanish? From: gnu Date: 21 Oct 12 - 01:38 PM I actually do know why posts disappear, yptos appear, words are missing from sentences, whatever. The satellites get dirty so posts and words and such stick to them. I am trying to get funding from the Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency to start up a cleaning service. I am gonna need a lot of money to buy ladders and windex and squeegees and such. And staff as I don't climb. It's not that I am scared of heights; it's that I am extremely fond of the ground... terra firma... the more firma, the less terra. Pun that in yer pipe and smoke it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why do half my posts vanish? From: Pete Jennings Date: 21 Oct 12 - 02:04 PM LH, I assume you mean the author and I don't know any of her works, so you're gonna have to explain that observation if you can be arsed... Pete (showing his ignorance). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why do half my posts vanish? From: GUEST,Stim Date: 21 Oct 12 - 11:02 PM It hasn't happened in a while, but I remember occasions when vanished posts reappeared days later. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why do half my posts vanish? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 22 Oct 12 - 01:47 AM Why do half my posts vanish? Ya' got any more of that stuff, or did you smoke ALL of it?? Ya' wanted to type it, but figured you'd get to it later....after you fixed a bad case of the cotton-mouth and the munchies! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why do half my posts vanish? From: Bee-dubya-ell Date: 22 Oct 12 - 03:44 AM Actually, it's not the posts themselves vanishing that bothers me. It's the disappearance of the thoughts within the posts. I can post a series of well thought out ideas one day, reread them the next day, and discover that what I had thought were clear, succinct ruminations have disappeared and been replaced by trite, moronic balderdash. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why do half my posts vanish? From: Henry Krinkle Date: 22 Oct 12 - 04:58 AM Censorship. Left wing fascism. =(:-( )) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why do half my posts vanish? From: GUEST,Grishka Date: 22 Oct 12 - 07:05 AM Gnu, now that the thread has drifted into joking, I do not think a long serious reply would be adequate - even if I knew exactly what the problem is, which I do not. Just one thing: this is not about accusing anyone, but, as you observed yourself, about earlier excuses. "Blaming" or "own fault" must be understood technically, not morally. Joe wrote above what had to be written. I have never demanded that the bug be fixed, there are more pressing problems (such as the "codepage" issue on which Max worked a couple of months ago, apparently without success). Do we have a place, analogous to Artful's codepage permathread, where all information (- guesswork only if necessary -) and instructions about the OP's problem are collected? We could post a link to that whenever the problem is mentioned. - Here is the complete text of BWL's message above: Subject: RE: BS: Why do half my posts vanish?Hope that helps to cure your split personality syndrome. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why do half my posts vanish? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 22 Oct 12 - 02:00 PM Absolutely true, Henry!!! It's just that they don't see it. They think that to be closed minded, and stifle other perspectives is to be liberal!!..Is that an oxymoron?..or just a plain moron??? GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why do half my posts vanish? From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp Date: 22 Oct 12 - 02:52 PM What LH meant, Pete Jennings, was this: He don't subscribe to Ayn Rand's neo-fascist social philosophy. She is a bit to the Right of most people you could care to mention and she is the darlin' of the most extreme rightwing people in the Republican Party. LH bein' pretty much to the Left, this puts 'em in what amounts to 2 different worlds, politically speakin'. - Chongo |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why do half my posts vanish? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 22 Oct 12 - 03:30 PM Fuck Ayn Rand!! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why do half my posts vanish? From: gnu Date: 22 Oct 12 - 03:51 PM Grishka... neither of us got a clue what yer on about. Actually, all three of us... me, moi and Jimmy Suis. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why do half my posts vanish? From: GUEST,Grishka Date: 22 Oct 12 - 04:11 PM Gnu, I should have written that I was responding to your message of 20 Oct 12 - 08:29 PM; you had posted another message in the meantime. In particular, I wanted to rebuff your accusation that I accused Joe of accusing anyone. Never mind, not really important. The second half of my message was a reaction to BWL's post, the "you" in the last sentence was probably aimed at LH. Sorry for the confusion; next time I'll try to be more concise. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why do half my posts vanish? From: gnu Date: 22 Oct 12 - 04:37 PM Grishka... I would certainly appreciate you doing so as I am easily confused. >;-) |
