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Subject: BS: Nobel Peace Prize awarded to EU From: michaelr Date: 14 Oct 12 - 04:05 PM Anyone else think this is weird? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Nobel Peace Prize awarded to EU From: Jack the Sailor Date: 14 Oct 12 - 04:15 PM When was the last time there was a war in Europe? When was the last time there was a war between countries that are now in the EU? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Nobel Peace Prize awarded to EU From: michaelr Date: 14 Oct 12 - 04:42 PM 1945? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Nobel Peace Prize awarded to EU From: GUEST,999 Date: 14 Oct 12 - 05:17 PM Yugoslavia's chopped liver? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Nobel Peace Prize awarded to EU From: gnu Date: 14 Oct 12 - 05:44 PM 9... ah, yeah? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Nobel Peace Prize awarded to EU From: michaelr Date: 14 Oct 12 - 05:51 PM So many questions? Still waiting for someone to answer the original one. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Nobel Peace Prize awarded to EU From: GUEST,999 Date: 14 Oct 12 - 07:35 PM I will, I will. "Yes!" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Nobel Peace Prize awarded to EU From: Jack the Sailor Date: 14 Oct 12 - 07:37 PM The purpose of the EU is to prevent wars like WWII, WWI, Franco Prussian war, the spanish civil war ......................... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Nobel Peace Prize awarded to EU From: GUEST,999 Date: 14 Oct 12 - 08:21 PM The purpose is economic. That's it, that's all. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Nobel Peace Prize awarded to EU From: michaelr Date: 14 Oct 12 - 09:41 PM Of the countries comprising the former Yugoslavia, only Slovenia is an EU member. Slovenia was not involved in the war of the 1990s. The EU is an economic union, first and foremost. Prevention of war between its member states is a side effect. The Nobel Peace Prize is supposed to be for those who have "done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses." (Which makes awarding it to Barack Obama a bit of a head-scratcher.) I guess the EU fits the first of these requirements - the second, not so much, and the third, not at all, AFAIK. It's interesting to look at the list of laureates, which includes warmongers like Woodrow Wilson, Henry Kissinger and Le Duc Tho, as well as questionable figures such as Yasser Arafat, Anwar al-Sadat, Willem de Klerk and Elie Wiesel. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Nobel Peace Prize awarded to EU From: Jack the Sailor Date: 15 Oct 12 - 02:49 AM http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_European_Union |
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Subject: RE: BS: Nobel Peace Prize awarded to EU From: Rob Naylor Date: 15 Oct 12 - 03:47 AM JtS: When was the last time there was a war between countries that are now in the EU And where is the evidence for causality? I'd say the fact that there's not been a major war in western europe for so long is probably more down to NATO than to the EU, but even that's arguable. I think the Norwegian committee that decides these things uses the Peace Prize almost as "light relief"...look at some of the previous recipients on Michaelr's post above. Sort of: "OK, we've awarded the Literature and Science prizes, all very worthy and a bit boring, not usually controversial, now what can we do to get Nobel Prizes in the news and add a bit of light relief to the situation?" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Nobel Peace Prize awarded to EU From: MGM·Lion Date: 15 Oct 12 - 04:12 AM "The purpose is economic. That's it, that's all." .,,. Oh if only ~~ that was the disingenuous lie they won the 1975 referendum with -- that an economic agreement, no sort of political implications... As if... Out of the whole bloody thing is what we need to get. Not related to the Nobel bit, I know; but Bruce did erroneously post the above above... ~M~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Nobel Peace Prize awarded to EU From: GUEST,999 Date: 15 Oct 12 - 09:32 AM Well then, what IS the purpose of the EU, Michael? (NB: I see NO difference between politics and the distribution of money.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Nobel Peace Prize awarded to EU From: MGM·Lion Date: 15 Oct 12 - 11:08 AM It was originally promised to be an Economic Community only, Bruce, with no sort of political governmental apparatus. That was what we were promised at the time of our 1975 referendum. That, as anyone with half an oz of sense could have seen from the start, was an almighty fib for which they should have been made to write out a whole Eclogue of Virgil and stand in the corner for an hour; or preferably caned on their bare bottoms!... As to its purpose ~~ it is to take over as many essential legislative functions of national legislatures as it can get its predatory claws on. There is a thing called the Single European Act, and a European Court of Justice, and all kinds of complications keep arising as to who sez what about which, making my poor innocent head spin but keeping lotsa lawyers in lucrative employment... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Nobel Peace Prize awarded to EU From: MGM·Lion Date: 15 Oct 12 - 11:19 AM Re your last point, Bruce ~~ one of those one-way propositions: economic considerations will naturally have all sorts of political implications, but the converse is not necessarily true, in that political considerations are frequently ideology-based and so not always purely economic. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Nobel Peace Prize awarded to EU From: GUEST,999 Date: 15 Oct 12 - 11:41 AM Gotcha regarding the initial thrust of the EU, Michael. Many thanks for the info. I agree on your second post, too. I must be getting soft in my old age. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Nobel Peace Prize awarded to EU From: GUEST,999 Date: 15 Oct 12 - 11:46 AM http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/50281 One paper's view of the decision to give the Nobel to the EU. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Nobel Peace Prize awarded to EU From: Rob Naylor Date: 20 Oct 12 - 01:29 PM An interesting connection in the Peace Prize award is that Thorbjoern Jagland, the head of the Nobel Peace Prize Committee, is also Secrtetary General of the Council of Europe, which has, this year, being very short of funds, been lobbying the EU strongly for monies to assist it in meeting the massively groweing costs of the Europeasn Court of Human Rights. I suspect we may see a bit of additional EU funding sliding over to the Council of Europe shortly! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Nobel Peace Prize awarded to EU From: Jack the Sailor Date: 20 Oct 12 - 03:41 PM Yes, I'm sure it was purely economic and I am sure that no one considered that with the economies intertwined, the possibility or war would be reduced. |
