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Subject: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: gnu Date: 03 Sep 12 - 05:15 PM Here's a "start"... Obama Revealed: The Man, The President NEW CNN Chief White House correspondent Jessica Yellin speaks with President Barack Obama about his time in office and his ambitions for a second term. 9:00 - 10:30PM ADT on CNN (25) That's 8PM Eastern |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: Sawzaw Date: 03 Sep 12 - 05:32 PM A delegate from California has been turfed out of the Democratic convention for allegedly lying to police and claiming to be a member of Congress after a late-night drunken incident. The delegate reportedly returned to his hotel in Charlotte, North Carolina after partying hard on Saturday night with another man who had to be carried in and was placed unconscious on the floor of the lobby. Paramedics were called, and when police showed up the delegate allegedly lied, saying he was a congressman to try to persuade police that the other man, who had had too much to drink, should be allowed to sleep it off in his hotel room. Asked to show his credentials, the delegate's lie was exposed. The unconscious man was taken to hospital but later released. The delegate, who was not arrested, was asked on Sunday to end his participation in the convention. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: Don Firth Date: 03 Sep 12 - 05:50 PM And this relates how? Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: gnu Date: 03 Sep 12 - 05:58 PM It relates that buddy posts inane shit because buddy ain't got fuck all better to do or to post. Par fer tha course, eh? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: Henry Krinkle Date: 03 Sep 12 - 06:05 PM I hope they all go to jail. Every last one of them. (:-( ))= |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: gnu Date: 03 Sep 12 - 06:13 PM Hank's got about the same fuck all to post, I guess. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: Henry Krinkle Date: 03 Sep 12 - 06:17 PM Watch your potty mouth. Silly boy. (:-( O)= |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: musicmick Date: 03 Sep 12 - 06:27 PM There is nothing more irrelavent than a convention, where the nominee is predetermined. They are nothing but pep rallies for the faithful. I can promise two things. The Democrats will be as sanctimonious and self-serving as the Republicans. And, as boring. The usual suspects at Mudcat will be less kneejerk reactive to the purple prose of Charlotte. (For some reason, liberals think that the Democrats represent them.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: Bobert Date: 03 Sep 12 - 07:20 PM Well, I was back to Charlotte today... This time as a p[artier at the festivals and take in a couple museums... Other than rain coming mid way thru James Taylor's performance Charlotte was in party mode... Heard Jeff Bridges alt country band and enjoyed it very much... Took in an Alberto Giacometti exhibit... Saw a lot of fine looking Democratic womenz that would make any real man drool... Grooved with some sloppy food and warmish beer... Rode a packed lite-rail outta town to where I parked my car... Got home... Heated up some buffalo chicken and now get to watch stuff that was or is happening 30 miles up the road... Very cool... As for the convention??? Romney didn't get a bounce because he had to spend the entire convention convincing people that he was a human being... Obama will do better but not like in years past... Because all this $$$ has been spent on ads I doubt if there are 10 people left in America who haven't decided.. Some may change their minds but everyone knows how they would vote if the election were held today... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: gnu Date: 03 Sep 12 - 07:26 PM Odd that the program on now about Mitt wasn't cited in what's on. Maybe Mitt don't want anybody to see it? Here's my potty mouth, Hank... fuck you, asshole. You got a half a brain and sommat ta say, spit it out or fuck off. Either say sommat that means sommat or provide sommat to the discussion or fuck off. Go ahead, Hank... say sommat intelligent. I fuckin dare ya. Try, at least try. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: Charley Noble Date: 04 Sep 12 - 08:38 AM Well, the "convention" is certainly off to a great start here at Mudcat Central. With all the negative posts, I suppose Obama supporters are supposed to flee for the hills, and cower in embarrassment. Well, some of us realize that the last 3.5 years could have been a lot worse without the Obama initiatives which were passed. We also wonder how much better off we all might have been if his further initiatives were not blocked by Republican votes in the House and Senate, blocked with the help of a few conservative Democrats as well. I'll be watching the Convention for clues of how Democrats plan to work themselves out of this international economic mire, and gain the support of a majority of the voters. There's nothing easy about this job but it's the job that has to be done. gnu- Thanks for starting this thread. Charley Noble |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: Bobert Date: 04 Sep 12 - 09:20 AM The Republicans are hoping that the amnesia that has set upon the American people will hold up until November... This "Are you better off now" question is really easy to answer but people have forgotten what the country was like shedding 800,000 jobs a month and the financial system melting down around us... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: Sawzaw Date: 04 Sep 12 - 09:21 AM Dems cobble convention crowd together bit by bit API CHARLOTTE, N.C. (AP) — College students from across North Carolina will arrive in Charlotte by the busload. Same with members of predominantly black churches in neighboring South Carolina. Their goal: help fill a 74,000-seat outdoor stadium to capacity when President Barack Obama accepts the Democratic nomination Thursday night. Democrats have been fretting for months over whether the president can draw a capacity crowd at Bank of America Stadium. Polls show voter enthusiasm is down, as are Obama's crowds for his battleground state campaign rallies. SHHHH Panthers Stadium, not BOA Stadium. BOA is evil, right? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: Bobert Date: 04 Sep 12 - 09:52 AM It's only 50/50 on either BOA or Panthers Staduim with chances of rain at 30% for Thursday night... BTW, around here the media calls it BOA but the fans call it Panthers Stadium... Me??? Screw BOA... Both as a name for the stadium and the corporate pigs that they are... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: Bobert Date: 04 Sep 12 - 09:55 AM Oh, BTW... If it is @ Panthers Stadium, it will be filled... The tickets have all been awarded to folks who either are volunteers or waited in lines up to 12 hours to get them... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: katlaughing Date: 04 Sep 12 - 03:39 PM Time for a refresher course: What the fuck has Obama done so far. just keep hitting the refresh button or the I'm unimpressed comment button at the bottom of the text for each page you'll find plenty that has been accomplished by PRESIDENT Obama. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: Don Firth Date: 04 Sep 12 - 03:46 PM Thanks, kat!! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: gnu Date: 04 Sep 12 - 04:27 PM Gosh, kat. When did Obama have time to sleep? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: beardedbruce Date: 05 Sep 12 - 04:02 PM "Obama himself has recently claimed more job growth in the past 29 months than President George W. Bush created "during the entire seven years before this crisis." "Despite incredible odds and united Republican opposition, our president took action, and now we've seen 4.5 million new jobs," San Antonio Mayor Julian Castro said in his keynote address at the DNC on Tuesday night. That statistic was echoed by virtually all of Tuesday night's speakers, including first lady Michelle Obama, Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick and Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel, who previously served as Obama's chief of staff. However, CNN fact-checked that claim and found it to be "not the whole picture." Instead, CNN found that there has been a net increase of just 300,000 nonfarm payroll jobs since Obama took office. And if you count government jobs, there are actually 400,000 fewer people working today than in January 2009." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: Greg F. Date: 05 Sep 12 - 06:10 PM Atta boy, Bruce - lying with statistics, qualifiers, cherry-picking, misinterpretation and misdirection. You sure can't fault any of the speeches at the Republican Convention for being "not the whole picture" - they were outright lies, fabrications & 14-karat bullshit. The Republicans are hoping that the amnesia that has set upon the American people will hold up until November.. Twenty bucks sez it'll hold up just fine, Bobert. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: Songwronger Date: 05 Sep 12 - 06:25 PM Monica Lewinsky's Former Rabbi To Deliver Benediction After Bill Clinton Speaks At DNC Rabbi David Wolpe of Los Angeles' Sinai Temple, where Monica Lewinsky and her family were congregation members for decades and where Lewinsky attended religious school, is scheduled to deliver the benediction at the Democratic National Convention tonight — not long after Bill Clinton speaks. http://weaselzippers.us/2012/09/05/monica-lewinskys-former-rabbi-to-deliver-benediction-after-bill-clinton-speaks-at-dnc/ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: Greg F. Date: 05 Sep 12 - 06:27 PM As usual, this has fuck all to do with anything, Wringer. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: katlaughing Date: 05 Sep 12 - 07:56 PM Rant on (sort of) Well, THIS DOES HAVE FUCK ALL and I hope the bastard is fired. There are so few real journalists these days. All most of them do is flaunt their opinions as facts/truth and idiots believe it. I'd like to see this guy on a debate panel with our First Lady and the others...he'd melt in a puddle of his own piss..couldn't hold a candle to them. Rant off (I tried to keep it from getting ugly which is what I REALLY want to say!) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: Charley Noble Date: 05 Sep 12 - 08:08 PM Kat- Thanks for providing a link to that petition. And I find that the "home trolls" are getting tedious as well. It all goes back to toilet training, or the lack there of. Charley Noble |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: Bobert Date: 05 Sep 12 - 08:13 PM Not to worry, Greg... It will be Obama 52% - 53% to Romney 47% or 48%... So that means that only 47% - 48% will still be suffering from amnesia... Good to see that bb is still hanging 'round... Bad that he is still a knot head... lol... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: Sawzaw Date: 05 Sep 12 - 09:04 PM Flip Flopping on God:APIDemocrats hurriedly rewrote their convention platform Wednesday to add a mention of God and declare Jerusalem the capital of Israel after President Barack Obama intervened to order the changes. The embarrassing reversal was compounded by chaos and uncertainty on the convention floor, requiring three votes before a ruling that the amendments had been approved. Many in the audience booed the decision. The episode exposed tensions on Israel within the party, put Democrats on the defensive and created a public relations spectacle as Obama arrived in the convention city to claim his party's nomination for a second term. The language in the party platform — a political document — does not affect actual U.S. policy toward Israel. The administration has long said that determining Jerusalem's status is an issue that should be decided in peace talks by Israelis and Palestinians. Obama intervened directly to get the language changed both on Jerusalem and to reinstate God in the platform, according to campaign officials who insisted on anonymity to describe behind-the-scenes party negotiations. They said Obama's reaction to the omission of God from the platform was to wonder why it was removed in the first place. The revisions came as Obama struggles to win support from white working-class voters, many of whom have strong religious beliefs, and as Republicans try to woo Jewish voters and contributors away from the Democratic Party. Republicans claimed the platform omissions suggested Obama was weak in his defense of Israel and out of touch with mainstream Americans. GOP officials argued that not taking a position on Jerusalem's status in the party platform raised questions about Obama's support for the Mideast ally. Romney said omitting God "suggests a party that is increasingly out of touch with the mainstream of the American people." "I think this party is veering further and further away into an extreme wing that Americans don't recognize," Romney said. Added to the platform was a declaration that Jerusalem "is and will remain the capital of Israel. The parties have agreed that Jerusalem is a matter for final status negotiations. It should remain an undivided city accessible to people of all faiths." That language was included in the platform four years ago when Obama ran for his first term, but was left out when Democrats on Tuesday approved their 2012 platform, which referred only to the nation's "unshakable commitment to Israel's security." Some delegates were angered by the change. "There was no discussion. We didn't even see it coming. We were blindsided by it," said Noor Ul-Hasan, a Muslim delegate from Salt Lake City, who questioned whether the convention had enough of a quorum to even amend the platform. Also restored from the 2008 platform was language calling for a government that "gives everyone willing to work hard the chance to make the most of their God-given potential." For decades, Republican and Democratic administrations alike have said it is up to the Israelis and Palestinians to settle Jerusalem's final status — a position reiterated earlier Wednesday by the White House. Both sides claim Jerusalem as their capital, and the city's status has long been among the thorniest issues in Mideast peace talks. The U.S. has its embassy in Tel Aviv, although numerous Republicans — including Mitt Romney — have vowed to move the embassy to Jerusalem. During his 2008 campaign, Obama referred to Jerusalem as Israel's capital in a speech to AIPAC, a pro-Israel lobby. But as official policy, his administration has repeatedly maintained that Jerusalem's status is an issue that Israelis and Palestinians should decide in peace talks. The platform flub gave Republicans an opening to revive their attacks on Obama's support for Israel just as Democrats were hoping to bask in the glow of first lady Michelle Obama's Tuesday speech and gin up excitement for her husband, who will accept his party's nomination for a second term on Thursday. But restoring the language did not placate Republicans, who used it to suggest that Obama's party is now more supportive than he is of the Jewish state. "Now is the time for President Obama to state in unequivocal terms whether or not he believes Jerusalem is Israel's capital," said Romney spokeswoman Andrea Saul. Even as Democrats worked to quell the political fallout from the omission, some Democrats in Charlotte were in open revolt. Angry delegates screamed and threw their hands in the air as Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, the convention chairman, declared the amendments approved. "The majority spoke last night," said Angela Urrea, a delegate from Roy, Utah. "We shouldn't be declaring Jerusalem as the capital of Israel." Sen. Bob Casey, D-Pa., said the move was a "reasonable adjustment," but suggested the party could have avoided the skirmish. Republicans declared Jerusalem the capital of Israel in the platform the party approved last week at its convention in Tampa, Fla. GOP platforms in 2004 and 2008 also called Jerusalem the capital. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: gnu Date: 05 Sep 12 - 09:18 PM Weeeellll, I am still sitting here waiting for Biiilll to speak. He'd better shit or get off the pot on accounta it's damn near 22:30 and that is past my bedtime. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: Ebbie Date: 05 Sep 12 - 09:23 PM Thanks for the link, kat. I signed the petition and added a comment. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: Songwronger Date: 05 Sep 12 - 09:30 PM Obama's the most foul piece of trash to ever inhabit the white house. He lied about ending torture, restoring legal rights like habeas corpus, lied about ending wars, gave foreign banks trillions with his stimulus package, taxed the poor with Obamacare, destroyed the Gulf of Mexico in partnership with British Petroleum, mass-murdered Africans and Middle-easterners with drone airstrikes, declared he has the power to kill American citizens at will, and so on. And yet the Democrats continue to support him. Obama's mentor Bill Ayers believes a race war would be good for America. Do you believe that? Team Obama has already put out a bullshit story about some white soldiers at Fort Stewart, Georgia plotting to kill his majesty, so when they inflate that story into some KKK bullshit plot against the "government" that is Der Obama, are you going to take up arms to protect him? It's time to decide if you value Obama more than your constitution. Just the NDAA, where Obama says he can kill you if it suits him, is WILDLY unconstitutional, unconsciounable and illegal. So do you support our governing document or the man who blatantly defies it? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: Sawzaw Date: 05 Sep 12 - 09:42 PM "now we've seen 4.5 million new jobs". If you don't count other jobs that were lost during that time. Then factor in the 150,000 jobs needed per month to break even due to population growth as per Obama: "we've got to produce 150,000 jobs every month just to keep pace". 29 X 150,000 = 4.35 million What is the net gain? I wonder why unemployment went up last month? Who is cherry picking? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: Bobert Date: 05 Sep 12 - 09:49 PM (((((((((((((((((yawn))))))))))))))))) B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: Sawzaw Date: 05 Sep 12 - 10:09 PM Flop Flip Flopping Outdoors? Indoors? Outdoors? Indoors? Obama Speech Moving Indoors Shortly after the Daily Mail reported yesterday that President Obama's speech would be moved to a smaller, easier-to-fill indoor stadium due to inclement weather, the Obama campaign came out and vociferously denied it, insisting that the speech would take place as planned in the 74,000-capacity Bank of America Stadium "rain or shine." Well, not even a full day later, the campaign did an about-face. Obama's speech will now take place in a 20,000-capacity indoor arena. Due to weather concerns: Democrats are significantly downsizing the final night of their national convention, moving the events — including President Obama's acceptance speech — from Bank of America Stadium to the Time Warner Cable Arena because of threats of thunder and lightning. Mr. Obama was slated to accept the Democratic presidential nomination Thursday night in the open-air football stadium before a crowd of more than 65,000. The basketball and hockey arena, however, seats just around 20,000. Note that the CBS News story above reports that the crowd at Bank of America Stadium would have been around 65,000 — not 74,000, which is the arena's actual capacity. That 65,000 number is from the Obama campaign, which claimed yesterday that the stadium seats less than its full capacity for non-football events, for whatever reason. The 20,000-seat stadium will be much better for the president. Now the campaign will have an overflow crowd instead of thousands of empty chairs. Obama Quotes: "A little bit of rain never hurt anybody. Although I've got to say that I saw Ed Rendell backstage and his teeth were chattering. This is an unbelievable crowd for this kind of weather. Thank you so much" "These are some diehard political folks here, not letting a little rain chase us away." Empty Seatgate? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: Bobert Date: 05 Sep 12 - 10:16 PM ((((((((((((((((((((((more yawn)))))))))))))))))))))))))) B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: Songwronger Date: 05 Sep 12 - 11:31 PM From the World Socialist Web Site: FIRST NIGHT OF DEMOCRATIC CONVENTION PHONY POPULISM FROM A PARTY OF CORPORATE AMERICA The opening night of the Democratic National Convention provided a grossly distorted picture of the Obama administration, presenting a right-wing, pro-corporate, anti-working-class government as though it was the second coming of the New Deal. Speaker after speaker bashed Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney as the candidate of wealth and privilege and portrayed Obama as the advocate of working people and his reelection as the key to social and economic progress. The utter cynicism of this claim was demonstrated by the continual references to Obama's bailout of the auto industry as the high point of his concern for the working class. This action supposedly "saved a million jobs," but there was no examination of the actual impact of the government intervention into General Motors and Chrysler on autoworkers. Using the threat of imminent liquidation of the two companies, Obama's auto task force, drawn from the top circles of investment banking, cut the wages of new hires by 50 percent, released the auto bosses of their obligation to pay healthcare benefits to retirees, and even stole dental and optical care from retired workers and their families.... http://www.wsws.org/articles/2012/sep2012/demo-s05.shtml |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: Don Firth Date: 06 Sep 12 - 12:20 AM Me too, Bobert. ((((((((((((((((((((((yawn)))))))))))))))))))))))))) Why don't these tinfoil hat characters find something worthwhile to do with all their free time? Don Firth P. S. Couple of darn good speeches tonight!! As well as the ones last night. We're rollin'!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: beardedbruce Date: 06 Sep 12 - 07:50 AM Greg F. Bobert may be ok with your racist, scumbag lies, but I would hope that some here actually consider you the embarrassment to the Left that you have demonstrated yourself to be. As for my "lying with statistics, qualifiers, cherry-picking, misinterpretation and misdirection." I note that you do not attempt to show ANY proof that CNN got it wrong, just that you attack me. If BillD had any integrity, he would be as aggressive in pointing out the logical flaw you epitomize as he is in pointing out when those he disagrees with make statements he considers to lack philosophical rigorousness. But to expect integrity from a liberal seems to be a pointless waste of time, from the statements and actions of those here espousing the "liberal " viewpoint. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: Greg F. Date: 06 Sep 12 - 09:01 AM Tell ya what, Bruce- why dontcha provide proof that the statement is incorrect, and that 4.5 million jobs weren't created as stated. And I'll put "not the whole story" up against Mitt, Paul & Co's outright lies and inventions any day. But to expect integrity from a liberal seems to be a pointless waste of time... Who's the bigot now? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 06 Sep 12 - 11:06 AM The boy who cried 'Wolf'? By the way, 'Songwronger's' post had more truth to it than the die hard, ideologue fanatics would ever admit. And just for the record, the same is true for the Republican Party! Not debating it! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 06 Sep 12 - 11:14 AM ..and while you're at it............... and all the fanatics cried, 'Foul'! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: Bill D Date: 06 Sep 12 - 12:32 PM " If BillD had any integrity, " I truly do not know what to say........... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: Greg F. Date: 06 Sep 12 - 12:35 PM Yeah Bill, I'm absolutely crushed, too. Probably cry muyself to sleep tonight. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 06 Sep 12 - 12:44 PM Oh great!...another wet dream!..but I guess that's the best you could do for one! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 06 Sep 12 - 12:45 PM Elizabeth Warren made a good speech. Having the prime founder of COSTCO stores was an excellent choice. One store grown into a giant by the entrepreneur founders. Clinton is a great speaker, but I thought his talk was a bit long. I guess Villaraigosa's support for Jerusalem as the Israeli capital will help get Jewish votes, but it should be a joint capital with Palestinians. That will never happen, of course. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: GUEST,sciencegeek Date: 06 Sep 12 - 01:00 PM as a woman, civil servant, and someone fast approaching retirement... the last thing I want or need to see is another Republican at the helm... it's bad enough to have them in Congress doing everything intheir power to the the "n...r" out of office and sell off the rest of the 99 %. Most politicains regard taxpayers as cash cows to be milked dry, but the 8 years under G. W. took us to the brink of another Depression. My mom was a registered Republican as far back as I can remember, but even she had to call it quits during his term in office. Ryan asked " Are you better off now?" but the real question should be "Will you better off if we get into power and "reform" the system." We have Romney who is comfortable thinking of a international mega corporation as a "person" to be treated as if they are no different from a voting, taxpaying, human being. Well guess what... The Disney Corporation will ensure that the copyright laws keep Mickey Mouse their possession until the end of time, since corporations don't die. Even if bankrupt, they can sell off their patents & copyrights. Standard Oil was found to violate anti-trust laws, so it was split into Esso and Mobil.... well the amoeba has re-joined itself into ExxonMobil. Anyone really think that this isn't the sign of things to come, unless the little guys stand up to them. And the Conservatives in Republican clothing are not the ones to lead that fight. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: Bobert Date: 06 Sep 12 - 01:13 PM Well, first of all, it's good to see GfinS back... I trust the treatment didn't make him any less insane which is also good... This joint needs a little insanity... Sawz has done his best but I wouldn't let Sawz carry GfinS's jock strap... As for the Convention, Slick Willie gets slicker with age... That speech last night was slicker than owl poo... Poor Joe Biden... That was the speech he was supposed to make... Wonder what he's gonna say now??? Looks like they even moved him outta prime time... I like that womamz law student... She was real cute... Didn't look like a slut to me... I think Rush got some bad info on her... Looks very much like rain here in the Charlotte area so I reckon the DNC made a good decision to not have a bunch of people sittin' in the middle of a football field on *metal* folding chairs... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 06 Sep 12 - 01:29 PM Thank you Bobert. Yeah, I'm back, but it will be for a rather limited engagement. I've noticed as I was scrolling around and back and forth, about 4 different posters who have been accused of being me!!...Poor devils! It sounds more like more people are agreeing with my position, and are just being attacked by the ideologue lunatic fringe fanatics!!! One of the posters was actually more constructive to both parties, and I tend to part with him there...I tend to believe they are both corrupt beyond repair! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: Amos Date: 06 Sep 12 - 01:34 PM Songwronger: You're dead wrong about Ayers, about Obama, and about where the normal location of a head should be relative to a rear orifice. Whycha make like a Republican and blow? A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: pdq Date: 06 Sep 12 - 01:40 PM In 1996, North Carolina native David Brinkley was covering the Democrat Convention. While watching Clinton's speech comparing himself to Franklin D. Roosevelt, Brinkley pulled out his earspeaker and threw it to the floor, declaring Clinton "the biggest bore in politics". Brinkley also said "I knew Roosevelt. You're no Roosevelt!" And added "The next four years will be filled with pretty words, and pretty music, and a lot of goddamn nonsense!" Very little has changed. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: beardedbruce Date: 06 Sep 12 - 02:52 PM Greg F.: "Tell ya what, Bruce- why dontcha provide proof that the statement is incorrect, and that 4.5 million jobs weren't created as stated." http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/05/politics/fact-check-obama-jobs/index.html Good enough, or does the fact you don't like them make them lies?? "And I'll put "not the whole story" up against Mitt, Paul & Co's outright lies and inventions any day." Feel free.- Just use facts instead of your usual insults, attacks, and bigoted lies. But to expect integrity from a liberal seems to be a pointless waste of time... "Who's the bigot now?" You have maintained yourself as a bigoted, racist scumbag liar, and have made no attempt tp change, just chased after my posts and made personal attacks, which seem the usual way for a liberal to defend an unsupported opinion. BillD. See PM- and be careful about the company you keep. Many here might judge you by it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: Greg F. Date: 06 Sep 12 - 03:01 PM Hey Beardie! From the article you reference, quote: "The number Castro cites is an accurate description of the growth of private-sector jobs since January 2010, when the long, steep slide in employment finally hit bottom." 'nuff said. And BillD: be careful about Beardie's 'secret messages' of defamation and innuendo. You'll note he's afraid to let what he said to you see the light of day. Kinda reminds me of Tailgunner Joe McCarthy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: gnu Date: 06 Sep 12 - 04:06 PM I thought Slick Willie did a great job. And he gave a (beyond) great speech last night, too. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: GUEST,TIA Date: 06 Sep 12 - 04:08 PM From the same CNN fact check article" "There's been a net loss of nearly 1 million public-sector jobs since Obama took office" Care to explain why that is BB? Here's some help: http://economistsview.typepad.com/economistsview/2012/07/the-failure-of-the-federal-gvernment-to-offset-state-and-local-austerity-is-hurting-job-growth.html http://www.thenation.com/article/167050/red-states-see-massive-public-sector-job-losses |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: Bill D Date: 06 Sep 12 - 04:41 PM BB .."...and be careful about the company you keep..." Noted... Greg......"be careful about Beardie's 'secret messages' ..." I am.. we are in some sort of communication. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 06 Sep 12 - 06:32 PM Hey Bobert, With all that 'yawning'...are you trying to 'sleep it off', or are you sleeping too much, and keep missing the FACTS, by sleeping through them? In any event... wake that boney little ass up, and pay attention! Waving to You! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: Bobert Date: 06 Sep 12 - 07:25 PM Nah, GfinS... I'm getting in my after noon nap so I'm good to go... I didn't get one the day of the Occupy demonstration but I'm caught up now... What's this you ain't gonna be around... You going to have surgery??? I do surgery... Cheap... You let me do yers and I promise not to drenk too much Iron City the night before... Okay, maybe I could just look over yer doc's shoulder and be sure he don't mess up... What yawning??? I'm kinda enjoying some of the speeches... Slick Willie was hittin' 'n stickin'... And like I said, thde law student was cute as can be... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: gnu Date: 06 Sep 12 - 07:39 PM Ummmm... Reagan and Bush LOST money... Clinton MADE money... Bush LOST money... Obama hasn't had the chance to fix it. You Republicans seem stunned as me arse to me. Like Slick Willie said... it's JUST aritmetic. He made money because he new how to add and subtract. I find it odd that some Republicans continue to think that spending more money than they make is a good thing... VERY odd. Isn't that just inviting economic catastrophe? Of course, if you can afford to wage war as an economic strategy, maybe that's a good way to spend yer money??? Kinda sucks for the poor who fight and die and especially for those who don't fight but still die. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: Charley Noble Date: 06 Sep 12 - 08:34 PM Yes, I have to agree with Bill Clinton that we are better off as a country than we were 4 years ago. We were sliding into a depression and now we are recovering from a severe recession. And that was achieved with practically no help from the Republicans; Maine's two Republican senators were two of the few moderate Republicans with the courage and dedications to vote with the Democrats now and again. That may not be a lot of comfort to the long term unemployed or for those who are now earning half of what they used to earn but there is still hope as long as progress is being made. Charley Noble |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: Songwronger Date: 06 Sep 12 - 09:38 PM All right. Reason to celebrate at the DNC: Protests have erupted in Yemen after a U.S. drone strike killed 13 civilians on Sunday. Agence France-Presse reports that three women and a child were among the dead in the strike near the town of Radaa, about 80 miles from the capital of Sanaa. http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2012/09/04-2 Obama's war against Africa is going so well that he's killing people without even TRYING. Cause to celebrate. The Peace Prize president is so cool. And Clinton there with his Yugoslavia notches on his handgun. And the Waco notches. Such celebrities. I feel all tingly. What he-men. And Billy's she-man Janet Reno, and Obama's she-man Billary Clinton. I think I'm going to have an wargasm. Such glitterati. Bring on some more speakers to tell me what great shape our nation's in. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 07 Sep 12 - 02:45 AM All that 'prosperity' during the Clinton Administration??...Don't forget, the Republicans had the house and Senate...and that held the purse strings, and submitted the budget....unlike today...and don't forget his wonderful(?) repeal of 'Glass-Steagle', which, you know, of course, helped fuck up the housing and banking, and fucked up the economy...WORLDWIDE!...........Thanks Mr. Clinton! You and your buddy Bush really did us all a lot of wonderful favors! Actually, I don't want to hear anything more you think you 'have to say'! You are another crock of bankster's shit!..along with your wife's insider trading crap, too! As he so aptly put it, "The purpose of government is to rein in the rights of the people" --Bill Clinton, 1993 They have done that by fucking with the financial sector of private citizens, and trashing private business, and consciously and deliberately made decent wage earners, into government dependent flunkies! Oh well..enough of that..I gotta' crash... GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: Joe Offer Date: 07 Sep 12 - 03:47 AM I really liked Barack Obama's speech at the Democratic National Convention. He did a great job - (click). The Michelle Obama speech the other night was another masterpiece. Both were rational, responsible, and inspiring. I agree with the President that everyone should get a fair shot and play by the same rules, from Main Street to Wall Street to Washington, DC. GfS, I don't suppose you'll agree, but that's OK. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 07 Sep 12 - 04:13 AM Well Joe, I don't think Michelle read Obama's book, 'Dreams of My Father'....and maybe she'd get her story right. Though I agree it was masterfully done, it was also not factual, and was a ploy to grab the heartstrings of the audience, especially women.. but a lot of it didn't make sense...The rusted car bit??..The shoes a half size too small??..The coffee table bit??..Come on!! This guy was working at a law firm and was dumpster diving????..and his dumpster diving catch was his most prized possession????..Both of them went to high end, elite schools,..Michelle did not come from poverty, as portrayed....but it did come off as a great speech!...It just wasn't very true! Respectfully, GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: Charley Noble Date: 07 Sep 12 - 09:16 AM GfS- "Both of them went to high end, elite schools" But not because their families were in the 1%. Both their families were barely middle class. They were accepted and earned high honors at their elite schools based on their ability. I really find this one-sided nit-picking tedious and disingenuous. Charley Noble |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: Bobert Date: 07 Sep 12 - 09:57 AM So, I have been listening to the pundits pissing & moaning this morning... They say that Obama didn't spell out some grand new plan for the economy... Why should he??? He pretty much is saying that 2% growth beats going back to the -9% recession he inherited... I would liked to have had him remind everyone that he has proposed a job package but that the Republicans won't pass it... Heck, they won't let it get out of committee... All in all, I gave Obama a B+... Unfortunately for him, he has set the bar so high that he's probably incapable of getting another A... Kerry and Biden both were very good... The folks who are saying that Ryan is looking forward to debating Biden are out of their minds... Biden is a junk yard dog and very quick on his feet... He is going to mop the floor with Ryan... Just as Obama is going to do with Romney... As for a "bump"... I donno??? Maybe 2 points but that has more to do with the fact that there really aren't that many "undecided" voters out there.... Just folks who might change their minds... Which favors the incumbent... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: Amos Date: 07 Sep 12 - 10:06 AM There were three or four absolute home runs at this DNC--Michelle, Clinton, Biden and the President. It was stirring and encouraging. Well worth replaying to get a refresher on history. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: GUEST,saulgoldie Date: 07 Sep 12 - 01:01 PM I don't "do" trolls. But I checked "while you're at it" above. First, they played an ad during which I could not even pause it. Then, a Yahoo window popped up that had no way of closing it without cooperating with whatever it was they wanted me to do. I don't do that, either. If it is important for me to know, I will not have to go through their hoops for it. Furthermore, just who are the anonymous CNN "fact-checkers" and from what *primary source* did they get their "information" against which to ascertain factuality? Whatever...as Bobert would say, "Yawn." Saul |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 07 Sep 12 - 01:29 PM Bobert: "They say that Obama didn't spell out some grand new plan for the economy... Why should he???" Bobert, I agree with you whole-hardheartedly on this one!..Nobody would believe him anyway, based on his past performances of his 'promises'!! Besides, the economy issue is bigger than both political parties combined, with the banksters on a runaway train, out of control....and the problem incorporates the FACT, that because of the intentional debt, through deception and corruption, both parties are beholden and owned by those same financial banking moguls.....besides, Obama doesn't have a plan anyway...he's only the President for the perks! Piss and moan, if you will...I'm right AGAIN!!! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: Bobert Date: 07 Sep 12 - 06:01 PM Here's the trick bag, GfinS and others... Had Obama presented some new plan then Romney would be saying "Why did he wait?"... I'm sure that Obama and his folks went thru this every which way to Sunday and decided the best course was not to give Romney's attack dogs anything to chew on... Smart move... BTW, GfinS... If you have a better plan for improving the economy than the Obama jobs plan we'd love to hear it... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 07 Sep 12 - 10:16 PM Bobert, (and others).... What we are in presently is not a recession, nor a double dip recession. What we are in, that the political parties DON'T want to tell you, nor the 'media' is covering..(well they are 'covering'..as in 'covering-up') is a depression...the real thing. What we don't see are the breadlines...and why?....Because instead of breadlines, they are issuing food stamps, which without there would be 'trouble' in the streets..not to mention a lot of hungry desperate people. This is not a Democratic problem, nor a Republican problem...it is a national problem, kept quiet, because of the complicity of 'leaders' in both parties, who falsely led their 'constituents' into believing that there were 'programs' intended to 'help'...but in actuality, they were programs to rip off the taxpayers, not only for the cost of the 'programs', but for the interest as well, that was accrued, by us(the government), for the 'loan' of those funds! They make it into a political issue, and make it LOOK like political wrangling, blaming each others politics for either supporting the program, or opposing it...while they ram it through, with the costs being passed onto us...PLUS THE INTERESTS!...The banksters(Fed), primarily only gives a damn about the debt of the interest, because it is in that tactic, and 'remedy'(more loans to get out of debt), which costs us even more interest, that they gain power! our party leaders cannot blow the whistle on them, because they themselves are, and would be implicated in the fraudulent Ponzi scheme...so this massive extortion has reached astronomical proportions.....while we titter about, on who is the newest bigot on the block, or who is the 'racist d'jour', shit like the 'war on women' (a joke, like all those other 'war on somethings', like poverty and drugs), and so on and so forth. It is my contention, on Mudcat, that once talented musicians retrieve their heads from inspecting their colons, and put it back on straight, that WE can influence the national dialogue, to include the REAL shit that is going on...and put it to a stop...even put some of these treasonous turds on trial...and subsequently where they belong!!!! I wish I could do more..and I probably will, but TOGETHER, we could be a force to be reckoned with!...and the message would be heard, and the dialogue changed! You want 'Change'??..It ALWAYS comes 'up from the streets'...and I don't mean by the 'Occupy Movement', who in reality, is another group wanting handouts on LOAN, from 'guess who'!! Until I have to go back and get off the forum, for a re-coop session.... GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: Bobert Date: 07 Sep 12 - 10:21 PM Well, technically it isn't a depression, GfinS... Problem is that we have a split society... The 1% and the 99%... For the 1% things have never been better... For the 99%, not so... The way out is what??? I mean, do some reality here... Harder to figure the way out than to point out what's wrong... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 07 Sep 12 - 10:41 PM Bobert..get a harmonica..a Democratic Harmonica!...You keep harping on the same old, worn out, ineffectual party line, song and dance! They have as much bullshit invested in this scam as the Re-piglicans! Yes!...Your old boys are out of tune, and pick up new instruments before they can even play them right!..and YOU know that I'm right! Pick up yo geetar, son, and blow me a tune, that speaks the truth! Don't sell yo soul to that slick shiester devil, at the crossroads! He's really some almost slick politician, ain't he? GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: Bobert Date: 08 Sep 12 - 08:20 AM Back to pissin' & moanin' and not offering up a plan... BTW, there are plenty of versions of the "Pissin' & Moanin' Shuffle" out ther and guess what??? Give??? Not one of them produces one new American job... At some point it comes down to someone actually doing something other than complain... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 08 Sep 12 - 08:44 AM Bobert..Another dumb distraction. I did offer a plan, and you just started one of your blathers, for which you are well known. That's why I gave you the 'harmonica' rap back. the problem with a lot of you 'liberal fanatics' is you keep thinking the 'solution' always comes from government..you know, like your income...but sometimes WE are the ones who have the solution!..and it isn't going to come in the mail, from some one else! GfS P.S...and that's why nothing ever gets done.....you keep waiting for someone else to do it! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: Bobert Date: 08 Sep 12 - 09:02 AM Okay, I give, GfinS... What is your solution??? The 1% are sitting on trillion$ in un-invested cash... No, make that drowning in the stuff... How is economic growth measured??? Give up??? It's measured in how many times dollars are passed... Now if you take trillion$$$ out of the general economy then that contracts the economy... That's what recession means, BTW... Recession = conraction... (Econ 001, remedial, non credit for boneheads)... So, if I have it correctly your plan is the Romney plan... Just give the rich more money to hoard... Hmmmmmmm??? Ain't that like leech thearpy??? Forget it... No one is talking about the government taking away these folks trillions and giving it to people not to work... What we are saying is that if we can't get these people to invest in American jobs that we'll just have to do it for them, i.e, tax some of their stash and use it to invest in American infrastructure... Hey, I'd be perfectly willing to not go that direction if I saw that the 1% get it and start using their cash-stash to help the country that made them 1%ers but they have had 10 years to do it and haven't done it... And now, like an obese baby, are crying for another bottle of formula... Its the 15 who have the welfare mentality... So, Obama's plan is to do just that... Tax 'um... BTW, my plan??? Nationalize that hoarded cash!!! Leave 'um a few million for steak dinners but nationalize the rest... So, ya' see... Obama's plan is purdy moderate... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: Sawzaw Date: 08 Sep 12 - 10:44 AM Obama's speech moved for the 74,000 seat ,in truth 65,000 seat outdoor stadium due to rain. OBSERVED rainfall Precip (in) 0.01in. "A little bit of rain never hurt anybody. Although I've got to say that I saw Ed Rendell backstage and his teeth were chattering. This is an unbelievable crowd for this kind of weather. Thank you so much" "These are some diehard political folks here, not letting a little rain chase us away." (((((((((((((((((yawn))))))))))))))))) Sameold Sameold More false quotes of what so and so said but no mention of the actual Obama quotes like I will cut the deficit in half. Research revealed that Obama did in fact promise to cut the deficit in half. He made the promise not on the campaign trail, but soon after taking office, at a meeting organized by the White House and dubbed the "Fiscal Responsiblity Summit." Saturday Night Live's Tina Fey mimicked Palin in a skit joking, "I can see Russia from my house." Palin September 11 2008: "You can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska" (((((((((((((((((((((more yawn)))))))))))))))))))))))))) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: Don Firth Date: 08 Sep 12 - 01:16 PM Whether it rained or not is not the issue, Sawz. The weather predition was that there was going to be a gulley-washer along with thunder and lightning. The DNC moved the session indoors as a precautionary measure. If it HAD been in the open stadium, and if people HAD sat there getting soaked (with some deciding to leave because of it), or if someone in the stadium had been struck by lightning (!!), people like YOU would be blaming Obama personally for it! Take your meds. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: Ebbie Date: 08 Sep 12 - 01:33 PM Lightning flashing about while I am sitting in the rain on a METAL chair is not my idea of comfortably listening to speeches. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: gnu Date: 08 Sep 12 - 03:14 PM i CAN SEE aLASKA FROM HERE. I use Google Earth. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: GUEST,TIA Date: 08 Sep 12 - 05:35 PM "the 'Occupy Movement', who in reality, is another group wanting handouts on LOAN, from 'guess who'!!" Oh bullshit. This proves that you have never bothered to talk to an Occupier. Just believing the Faux News hype. You are as brain dead as you accuse others of being...only more so. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: Sawzaw Date: 08 Sep 12 - 06:04 PM NPR: — FactCheck begins its report by noting that Obama "boasted that his plan would cut the deficit by $4 trillion over 10 years, citing 'independent experts.' But one such analyst called a key element of the plan a 'gimmick.' " It takes issue with Biden for quoting Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney as saying "it's not worth moving heaven and earth" to catch Osama bin Laden. "Actually," FactCheck writes, "Romney said he would target more than just 'one person.' " Biden also gets knocked for saying Romney "believes it's OK to raise taxes on middle classes by $2,000." Actually, FactCheck writes, Romney "promises to lower middle-class taxes." And FactCheck notes that when the president quoted Romney as saying it was "tragic" to "end the war in Iraq," he didn't mention that "Romney was criticizing was the pace of Obama's troop withdrawal, not ending a war." — The Associated Press kicks off its fact-checking by writing that "President Barack Obama laid claim to a peace dividend that doesn't exist when he told the nation he wants to use money saved by ending wars to build highways, schools and bridges. The wars were largely financed by borrowing, so there is no ready pile of cash to be diverted to anything else." The AP also takes issue with a figure cited by Biden and many others — that "after the worst job loss since the Great Depression, we've created 4.5 million private sector jobs in the past 29 months." The wire service notes that: "This seems to be a favorite statistic, because many speakers at the convention cited it. But it's misleading — a figure that counts jobs from when the recession reached its trough and employment began to grow again. It excludes jobs lost earlier in Obama's term, and masks the fact that joblessness overall has risen over Obama's term so far. ... Overall, some 7.5 million jobs were lost during the recession that began in December 2007 in President George W. Bush's term and ended officially in June 2009 with Obama as president." — PolitiFact isn't accusing the president of any whoppers. It gives him a "half true" rating for saying that he's got a plan that "independent analysis" has said will cut the deficit by $4 trillion. But, says PolitiFact: "We found that the 'independent' source that supports that claim is a liberal think tank. Another group, one that puts a premium on deficit reduction, gives the president credit for moving in the right direction but thinks he won't get as far as he says he will. They think the president's plan might get close to the $3 trillion mark, but not $4 trillion." PolitiFact gives Obama a "mostly true" rating for his line that because Romney referred to Russia as the nation's No. 1 enemy, the GOP nominee is "still stuck in a Cold War mind warp." According to PolitiFact: "Romney didn't use those exact words, but he did refer to Russia as 'without question our No. 1 geopolitical foe.' He said the Russians 'fight for every cause for the world's worst actors' in a CNN interview. In a later interview, however, Romney softened his language, this time calling Russia our 'No. 1 adversary' in terms of U.N. votes and emphasized it's not an enemy of the kind launching missiles at American shores." — The Washington Post's The Fact Checker is taking issue with Biden for charging that Romney was willing to "let Detroit [the automakers, that is] go bankrupt." The Fact Checker writes that: "This statement is drawn from a headline — 'Let Detroit Go Bankrupt' — on an opinion article written by Romney for The New York Times. But he did not say that in the article. "In the article, Romney argued that if the automakers 'get the bailout that their chief executives asked for yesterday, you can kiss the American automotive industry goodbye. It won't go overnight, but its demise will be virtually guaranteed.' "As Romney put it, 'Detroit needs a turnaround, not a check.' " Bon Appétit DF ((((((((((((((((((yawn))))))))))))))) PS here's some dessert: 96,000 jobs gained last month 368,000 people dropped out 150,000 jobs needed to keep pace as per Obama July new jobs reported lowered from 163,000 to 141,000. June new jobs reported lowered from 64,000 to 45,000. UUUMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM UMmm |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: Sawzaw Date: 08 Sep 12 - 06:08 PM Correction: June's Job Report was revised down from 80,000 to 64,000 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: Sawzaw Date: 12 Sep 12 - 10:06 PM Death Threat From DNC Delegate: ‘Mitt Romney… I Would Like To Kill Him!During the second day of the Democratic National Convention in Charlotte, TheBlaze took to Time Warner Cable Arena to speak with delegates about the most pressing issues of our time. Most of those interviewed were good sports, answering questions about the trajectory of the country under Obama, the Affordable Care Act and even Socialism.One of our conversations took an unexpected turn, however, when we asked New York delegate Julia Rodriguez about her views on the direction of the country. Rodriguez promptly shouted that she would, in fact, like to kill Mitt Romney. "Romney will destroy this country completely" she repeated angrily. Then, Rodriguez grabbed the microphone and emotionally ****************SCREAMED***************** "If I see him I would like to kill him!" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: Bobert Date: 12 Sep 12 - 10:16 PM What's that buzzing sound??? B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: Sawzaw Date: 12 Sep 12 - 10:46 PM Russian ships displayed at DNC tribute to vetsOn the last night of the Democratic National Convention, a retired Navy four-star took the stage to pay tribute to veterans. Behind him, on a giant screen, the image of four hulking warships reinforced his patriotic message.But there was a big ass mistake in the stirring backdrop: those are Russian warships. While retired Adm. John Nathman, a former commander of Fleet Forces Command, honored vets as America’s best, the ships from the Russian Federation Navy were arrayed like sentinels on the big screen above. These were the very Soviet-era combatants that Nathman and Cold Warriors like him had once squared off against. "The ships are definitely Russian," said noted naval author Norman Polmar after reviewing hi-resolution photos from the event. "There’s no question of that in my mind." Naval experts concluded the background was a photo composite of Russian ships that were overflown by what appear to be U.S. trainer jets. It remains unclear how or why the Democratic Party used what’s believed to be images of the Russian Black Sea Fleet at their convention. Oh Look, you can see Russia from the DNC! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: Songwronger Date: 12 Sep 12 - 10:51 PM The Democrats have always had trouble coordinating things. That comes from having to form coalitions of voting blocks to win national office. Rule by committee. They ran a surprisingly tight convention this time. All scripted. Teleprompted just like all of Obama's presidency. They got off-prompter once and pissed their pants over Israel, but otherwise it was a uniform line of bullshit. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: Sawzaw Date: 12 Sep 12 - 11:49 PM Correction to my correction: June's Job Report was revised down from +64,000 to +45,000 Like I stated originally. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: Ebbie Date: 13 Sep 12 - 12:39 AM There is a very good video on YouTube of Jimmy Fallon singing, just him and his guitar, a parody of James Taylor's 'Fire and Rain'. Just yesterday evenin' I turned the DNC on I had to dvr Honey Boo Boo Watched both conventions and I wrote down this song 'Cause this November we'll vote for one of you Oh, I've seen Romney, I've seen Bain I've seen Clinton's speeches I thought would never end I've seen crazy guys talking to invisible men So I'll probably vote Obama again. Won't you look down upon me, Eastwood I'm sitting right here in this chair No one can see me but that's OK My body's invisible, it's like no one is there But you keep talking to me anyway But Barack ain't got such an easy time with fighting on his team Please keep your piehole closed, don't you know you're killin' me We've seen both sides, we've seen both guys but in twenty-sixteen Vote for the dream team, Michelle and Hillary |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 13 Sep 12 - 01:02 AM Bobert: "The 1% are sitting on trillion$ in un-invested cash... No, make that drowning in the stuff... How is economic growth measured???" Who printed it up and gave it to them?? Who has to pay it back...with interest?? Who gets screwed coming and going?? Whose fiscal policies is this?? GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: Sawzaw Date: 13 Sep 12 - 08:47 AM Dan Roberts - Mr. Scam ManMr. Scam Man, where is your dream?I thought my life would be all peaches and cream. Now I don’t have a job and I’m out of money, And moving forward doesn’t look too sunny. Scam Man, I’m so alone, Don’t have a mortgage to call my own. So much for the roses and clover, I’m using food stamps to feed ole Rover Mr. Scam Man, we need a cure, And not a worldwide apology tour. You’re tearing down our nation’s good reputation, By trying to make us an Obama-nation. Scam Man, hey, don’t touch a thing, Take more vacation time and work on your swing. We need a president a little wiser, Than a community organizer. Bumb, bumb, bumb, bumb, bumb, bumb, Bumb, bumb, bumb, bumb, bumb, bumb, O-Bumber Scam Man, we can’t forget, You promised you’d reduce the national debt. That’s what so many millions gave you their vote for, The change of your address is all we hope for. Scam Man, hey you’re breaking our backs, Is it a penalty or is it a tax? Only half of us are paying our share . . . that’s fair. . . He don’t even seem to even Obama-Care We say no, no, no-ObamaCare. . . . Yeah. Hurry up, November 4th Can’t get here soon enough. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: Ebbie Date: 13 Sep 12 - 12:28 PM Hard to read those lyrics, SZ, so I went to the link, which is 'clean'. I don't mind a song being written to support one's views but I like it better when there is truth to it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: Jack the Sailor Date: 13 Sep 12 - 12:41 PM "Mr. Scam Man?" The GOP really does want to take us back to the 50's. Of course without admitting that the prosperity at that time was built on lots of government involvement and historically high marginal tax rates on the wealthy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: GUEST,sciencegeek Date: 13 Sep 12 - 12:55 PM (From the same CNN fact check article" "There's been a net loss of nearly 1 million public-sector jobs since Obama took office" Care to explain why that is BB?) Speaking as a public sector employee, I feel qualified to anser that.. for decades - while the private sector was flush- state agencies, etc. needed to attract workers. Since the wages were significantly less than private sector jobs, the pot was sweetened to include benefits , ie. decent insurance coverage, a pension and holiday & sick leave. We also were able to unionize, unlike many private sector workers. and everytime that times got hard... we took hits - including having our pensions raided ( took Federal courst to get that back) or lagged pay. In New York State it's a month before you see your first paycheck... We get blamed for the budget problems... which are actually created by the politicians and their creative accounting, loopholes for the connected and unfunded mandates. BTW... these guys have got benefits worthy of royalty, but that never gets mentioned. So every state that relied on wall street doing well and paying full taxes, now came up short. solution... fire the "Indians" who do the work & keep the "Chiefs" who are politically connected. oh yeah, and pay private consultants to do the job for greater cost than in-house... but since they are the $$$ donors to keep politicians in office, that's OK. What it really boils down to is we keep electing lawyers and connected "business" interests into office and every law & policay that they come up with amazingly benefits themselves at the expense of the average taxpaying citizen. the true test of a democracy is its ability to destroy itself. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: Jack the Sailor Date: 13 Sep 12 - 01:04 PM "Naval experts concluded the background was a photo composite of Russian ships that were overflown by what appear to be U.S. trainer jets." The message being is that all we need are trainer jets to protect ourselves from this pip squeak navy. |
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Subject: Lyr Add: Mr. Scam Man From: pdq Date: 13 Sep 12 - 01:25 PM Oh - Mr. Scam Man Mr. Scam Man, where is your dream? I thought my life would be all peaches and cream. Now I don't have a job and I'm out of money, And moving forward doesn't look too sunny. Scam Man, I'm so alone, Don't have a mortgage to call my own. So much for the roses and clover, I'm using food stamps to feed ole Rover Mr. Scam Man, we need a cure, And not a worldwide apology tour. You're tearing down our nation's good reputation, By trying to make us an Obama-nation. Scam Man, hey, don't touch a thing, Take more vacation time and work on your swing. We need a president a little wiser, Than a community organizer. Bumb, bumb, bumb, bumb, bumb, bumb, Bumb, bumb, bumb, bumb, bumb, bumb, O-Bumber Scam Man, we can't forget, You promised you'd reduce the national debt. That's what so many millions gave you their vote for, The change of your address is all we hope for. Scam Man, hey you're breaking our backs, Is it a penalty or is it a tax? Only half of us are paying our share . . . that's fair. . . He don't even seem to even Obama-Care We say no, no, no-ObamaCare. . . . Yeah. Hurry up, November 4th Can't get here soon enough. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: Sawzaw Date: 13 Sep 12 - 11:28 PM "The message being is that all we need are trainer jets to protect ourselves from this pip squeak navy." So no apology was necessary? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: GUEST,Ebbie, housesitting Date: 13 Sep 12 - 11:56 PM I hate to say it (of course) but someone has to: If they/you are waiting for November 4 they'll/you'll be letting out your breath too soon. Such an eye for details... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: Jack the Sailor Date: 14 Sep 12 - 12:09 AM Apology for what? Lording it over their puny navy with our mighty training jets? The Russians are grownups. They know realpolitic. They can attend an Olympics as guests without insulting their hosts. No apology requested, none needed. At least no one was prancing around on a UNITED STATES Navy ship under a banner that he falsely blamed on the crew wearing way too big a codpiece, claiming "mission accomplished" on the eve of one of the countries most humiliating military failures. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: GUEST, Ebbie, housesitting Date: 14 Sep 12 - 01:37 AM Since no one asked, I will remind everyone that the Presidential Election this year is Tuesday, November 6, not Sunday, November 4. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: Sawzaw Date: 15 Sep 12 - 09:11 PM Democratic officials apologized Wednesday for mistakenly displaying an image of the Russian Navy during a tribute to America's veterans at last week's Democratic National Convention. The apology is also reminiscent of the convention passing blame for another video error. When a video played during the same week saying that Americans "belong" to government, the DNC said that was the fault of the host committee. A DNC spokeswoman said the image of what's believed to be the Russian Black Sea Fleet appeared on screen due to an unspecified vendor error, but was unable to say how it had occurred or whether the photo had been digitally altered. Naval experts who reviewed the image believe that the photo is a composite of Russian ships and F-5 trainer jets - which are not used by the Russian Navy - streaking overhead in a maneuver. One former Air Force pilot told Navy Times in an email that the wing configuration and distinctive formation made it likely that these planes were the Turkish Stars, an aerial demonstration team of the Turkish Air Force. The Navy Times concludes: Many…readers have cite the image's erroneous broadcast as evidence that the Democratic Party was out of touch with veterans. "A retired admiral with a shot of Soviet-era ships behind him," one reader, who said he was a Navy vet, commented "Is the Democratic Party that far removed that they can't check up on a simple picture?" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: Sawzaw Date: 16 Sep 12 - 10:54 AM ''I'll give you the whole scoop,'' Commander Chun said. ''The ship came up with the idea, and thought it would be good to have a banner, 'Mission Accomplished.' '' The idea popped up in one of the meetings aboard the ship preparing for its homecoming, Commander Chun said, and the sailors then asked if the White House could get the sign made. But Commander Chun said he was not in any of those meetings, and did not know who had come up with the banner idea. Next stop was Lt. Cmdr. John Daniels, the public affairs officer aboard the Lincoln, which is now in dry dock in Bremerton, Wash., for maintenance and repairs. But Commander Daniels added that he, too, was not in any of the meetings preparing for the landing and did not know the name of anyone from the Navy who was. Ads by Google Next stop was again Mr. McClellan, who was told that so far the Navy had not produced a ''Mission Accomplished'' accomplice. Mr. McClellan said he would see what he could do. Soon enough, Commander Daniels called to say that one person in the meetings preparing for the ship's homecoming was Cmdr. Ron Horton, the executive officer of the Lincoln and the ship's second in command. Commander Horton was too busy to come to the phone, Lt. Cmdr. Daniels said, but he recounted what he said Commander Horton had told him about a shipboard meeting in late April with officers of the Lincoln and members of the White House advance team. The team, including security, had boarded the ship in Hawaii around April 28 to make preparations for the president's speech -- some 75 to 100 people strong. ''The White House said, 'Is there anything we can do for you?' '' Commander Daniels said. ''Somebody in that meeting said, 'You know, it would sure look good if we could have a banner that said 'Mission Accomplished.' '' And who was that someone? ''No one really remembers,'' Commander Daniels said. One of the White House communications people in the meeting, Commander Daniels said, was Scott Sforza, a former ABC producer who oversaw the production of the sign. Mr. Sforza did not return telephone calls seeking comment last week. In any case, Commander Daniels said that it was not uncommon for a ship to have a homecoming banner. ''Having a banner hanging off the ship is not unheard of,'' Commander Daniels said. ''Does it happen every single time? No. Does it happen every third time? Probably.'' Meanwhile, Republicans said that it was increasingly unlikely that Mr. Bush would use the film of his ''Top Gun'' landing on the carrier in a campaign commercial. But would the Democrats consider using it in an attack ad? ''Yes,'' said Jim Margolis of GMMB, who is making television commercials for the presidential campaign of Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic National Convention 2012 From: Jack the Sailor Date: 16 Sep 12 - 10:58 AM The thing to remember about the DNC convention is that the Democrats kicked GOP butt at their convention. |
