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Subject: BS: Retroactive Retirement??? From: Bobert Date: 16 Jul 12 - 08:58 PM According to Mitt Romney's latest answer to how he was CEO of Bain Capital in 2000 and 2001 (and may have received pay from Bain) is that he retroactively retired in 1999??? Hey, here's an idea... Why don't we all retire retroactively??? We could lower the retirement age to 60... Or 50... Or 16, for that matter??? Whaddayathink??? B;~) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Retroactive Retirement??? From: Rapparee Date: 16 Jul 12 - 09:26 PM Can we have retroactive abortion instead? I've got a little list.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Retroactive Retirement??? From: Bobert Date: 16 Jul 12 - 09:34 PM No, Rap... You can't... There are laws against offin' folks... Sheesh... Yer always lookin' for a loophole... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Retroactive Retirement??? From: Rapparee Date: 16 Jul 12 - 09:36 PM How about retrospective birth control? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Retroactive Retirement??? From: Bobert Date: 16 Jul 12 - 09:50 PM I know where you are going with this, Rap... No, no and no... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Retroactive Retirement??? From: Jack the Sailor Date: 16 Jul 12 - 09:58 PM Doesn't Governor Romney's religion practice retroactive baptism? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Retroactive Retirement??? From: Bobert Date: 16 Jul 12 - 10:03 PM I think they do... That means you can be a mean sumabich and be doin' yer time in Hell and then someone from the living pulls one of these boners and next thing ya' know yer hangin' with the good folks, drenking a chilly one and having some fine Heaven fun... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Retroactive Retirement??? From: EBarnacle Date: 16 Jul 12 - 10:10 PM He's just taking a leaf from Reagan. "All that bad stuff must have happened while I was upstairs taking my nap." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Retroactive Retirement??? From: Bobert Date: 16 Jul 12 - 10:19 PM Okay... I guess a nap could be considered a retro-phenomenon??? B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Retroactive Retirement??? From: Deckman Date: 16 Jul 12 - 11:50 PM "DOUBLE SPEAK" at it's finest. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Retroactive Retirement??? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 16 Jul 12 - 11:57 PM Hmmm...maybe it was time adjusted, because he was 'born again'.....which, if he was, don't ya' think he'd be a bit more honest?...Naww, I forgot....he's Mormon...BTW, Do Mormons get 'born again'??...or is that just for 'regular' Christians?? GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Retroactive Retirement??? From: Rapparee Date: 17 Jul 12 - 10:17 AM No, they don't. As for Catholics, once is enough. Sometimes more than enough. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Retroactive Retirement??? From: Bobert Date: 17 Jul 12 - 10:32 AM Maybe we could have a retro-active Emancipation Proclamation going back to 1619??? That way, slavery wouldn't be part of our history... Whaddyathing, Mitt??? No, here's one... We could use retroactive health care and restore people's health back to a time before they got sick??? Yeah, that one has possibilities... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Retroactive Retirement??? From: EBarnacle Date: 17 Jul 12 - 11:59 AM Right and it could evenhelp balance the budget and save Social Security. Right on, Bobert. You deserve the Presidential Medal of Freedom. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Retroactive Retirement??? From: GUEST,leeneia Date: 17 Jul 12 - 12:06 PM Has anybody ever run this 'born again' idea past the nation's mothers? Because I'm pretty sure they'd be against it. Once per person is enough - both for actually being born and for being childishly naive while overly sure of one's self. Is there a word "oneself?" I just typed it, then I changed it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Retroactive Retirement??? From: Stringsinger Date: 17 Jul 12 - 12:17 PM Perhaps we could make Romney's bid for the presidency retroactive retirement? It would be great if it never happened. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Retroactive Retirement??? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 17 Jul 12 - 01:23 PM EBarnacle: "Right on, Bobert. You deserve the Presidential Medal of Freedom." I don't know if Bobert would be flattered..he was pretty pissed off at 'freedom', in the.....wait, I'll cut and paste it..hold on..... OK..Back... From: Bobert Date: 17 Jul 12 - 09:21 AM There's the "freedom" word again... .......And the beat goes on... And on... And on... BTW, all this freedom is pushing the bottom half of our population more and more into a Somalia model... But gotta have that freedom, right??? BTW, what the hell is "freedom"... Is it banks stealing from US??? Hey, to them it is... Is it busting unions with the support of the Republican Party??? Yeah, to the union busters it is... Is it a guy sticking a gun to your head and robbing you??? Well, to the guy with the gun it is... Me??? I'm getting weary watching all the bad shit that is occurring in this nation in decline in the name of freedom... B~ Well Bobert, I'm glad you were 'free' to speak your mind...now just aim it in the right direction. You can be 'free' to listen to your favorite party's lies, as well...and you can be 'free' to not believe them. Can you? GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Retroactive Retirement??? From: GUEST,999 Date: 17 Jul 12 - 02:18 PM I seldom speak on Bobert's behalf because that crusty ol' sonumabitch can handle things himself. But now and then I make an exception. This is now. Bobert is aware of what you keep telling him he isn't aware of. He knows the 'system' is in dire need of repair; he knows that there are less-than-honest people in government, both sides of the floor. By wanting to work to make his (and your) country better than it is, he is willing to vote for the lesser of evils. People who feel as I do will not vote. In little words, fuck that. However, people like Bobert see a possibility of something better and he will vote. I wish him well. I certainly wish him much better than I would ever wish a fucking Republican. If ya dug the rot out of politics you'd crumble the whole damned structure. By default, your election will go to either a Democrat or a Republican. Since both are owned by moneyed interests, either way the poor lose. But they lose less by going Democrat. Dr King had the temerity to show Washington that poverty was entrenched and doing well in America when the Poor People's Campaign was announced by him in November of 1967. He was murdered six months later. In little words, a third party at this time, composed of poor people who would be willing to vote as a block would gain concessions IN WRITING from either party, but likely more from Democrats. Maybe OSW could get on the stick and start taking names. I understand where you are coming from GfS, but it's getting old. And there just isn't sufficient time left for internecine back and forths. I wish my American friends well after the coming election. Together you can make a bigger impact than you can arguing against each other, imo. IMO. But then, maybe it's time America and the American people got what they deserve. When the rich are using your own troops to suppress you, it will be too late to do anything about it. America is no longer a nation of laws. It is a nation of laws for those who can afford to buy judges and representatives. Most of you can't afford that. Together you could. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Retroactive Retirement??? From: Bobert Date: 17 Jul 12 - 05:42 PM Well, thankee, brucie... BTW, I remember the Poor Peoples Campaign well... My liberal Democrat mom told my ever -evolving Republican father that he had to get involved and he did... Ya' see, my mom was working for an organization JACS (Joint Action in Community Services) which organized folks to assist Job Corps grads into jobs and communities... From that we had brought a black kid into our home and he was part of our family... Let's just say that everything that was going down pushed my dad to make some changes... A lot of changes... So my dad and brother took a truck load of collected blankets down to Tent City and were down there night after night... As for the lesser of two evils??? I don't see it quite that way... The TeaPublican Party is out to destroy the New Deal... They want to privatize it... That means taking limited resources and letting their buddies siphon off a big chunk for themselves and their stock/share holders... The Democrats are fighting that radical move... So, at least for now, I see the Dems as holding the line against a total radical reorganization of how we help people... The corporations are ***never*** interested in the people... They are interested only in what they can steal... If the TeaPubs get stopped and things get back to like they were before they came into power then I'll go back to the Green Party... Now is not the time... It's time to fight the radical right and the Green Party ain't got the umph to take it on... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Retroactive Retirement??? From: EBarnacle Date: 17 Jul 12 - 06:39 PM GfiS. Anyone who can save Social Security and balance the budget without harming anyone should be hailed as a public hero in the realest sense. Since you are obviously not aware of it, the Presidential Medal of Freedom is the US's highest civilian honor. If it had another name, he would be up for that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Retroactive Retirement??? From: Bobert Date: 17 Jul 12 - 07:17 PM That isn't the choice, E-barn... Social Security is fixable... The TeaPubs have planted the idea that there won't be SS for our kids... They have spent a ton of $$$ on the PR... But they have succeeded in planting that narrative... We first need to defeat that narrative and then get ten people together (5 from each party) and in less than a weekend the fixes could be hammered out... The TeaPubs want it all their way... Privatized everything... Privatization makes everything more expensive, not less, because it adds a layer of high dollar administrators and stock holders... This ain't rocket science here... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Retroactive Retirement??? From: Elmore Date: 17 Jul 12 - 08:45 PM For Willard there should be radioactive retirement. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Retroactive Retirement??? From: Elmore Date: 18 Jul 12 - 10:44 AM Willard's money self-deported. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Retroactive Retirement??? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 19 Jul 12 - 01:41 AM 999, Sorry if it's 'sounding old'..but what is REALLY sounding old, is that shit about 'voting for the lesser of the two evils'!!! WE, as I've posted before, should be very outspoken about RAISING the integrity of our candidates(not that it would help much)..and DEMANDING better! That happened in the '60's, and that old corrupt piece of crap, Johnson, bailed from running again(or, at least that's the story we got)..but none the less, he got out..and Bobby came in...(then out, but beyond his control)....and the Democratic party had to adapt to the people...instead of the other way around!(even though, I never believed for a moment that the candidates were sincere...and they just co-opted the 'peace movement' to get votes! ..and speaking of 'getting old'..haven't we had enough of the 'TeaPub' rap from Bobert??!!??....always looking for someone to blame..instead of calling a spade a spade! This administration has been a disaster in the first degree(as was Bush's)...and writing it off as anything but that, is doing nothing short of a disservice to correcting it..don't you think?? The national dialogue MUST change!! Both of these clowns who are running are guilty of virtually EVERYTHING they accuse each other of doing....HOW ABOUT SOME STRAIGHT TALK?????........because there is NO agenda other than 'business as usual', and keeping the electorate as far from the truth as possible!!....... .....HOWEVER, the internet, along with a few other things, in the hands of some straight talking folks, at least has a chance of making things a little different as long as we don't keep repeating the same cock n' bull horseshit that these politicians and media keep feeding us! You know that..I know you do..you have been VERY clear about that...why compromise away??...The more we hold the line, the better chance of CHANGING the national dialogue!...because if we sell out, and settle for less... the less people will take you seriously! Supposing Obama gets defeated, not because Romney is a 'better' guy, but because people are just plain sick and tired of his phony bullshit, then his 'supporters'(?), are just as discredited..and yesterday's news...and not taken seriously..wouldn't you say?...and they lose their edge..and become irrelevant...and this guy, Obama does NOT represent, with his bullshit what most of us really want anyway!!..THIS IS WHAT WE GET WHEN WE SETTLE!...and yes, I'm still waiting for someone else to emerge, who could, be fresh and relevant. Instead, all we get is fraudulent political rhetoric...and you know what?.....there is a LOT of the electorate who feel the same way. Neither Romney's or Obama's supporters are as energetic, or as enthusiastic about 'their candidate' as opposed to being 'committed' because they hate the other candidate more!...What a fucking sham!..and we don't have to settle for that...and it needs to be said LOUD and clear!..Because people already sense it!! Either way, I tend to believe, that either one of these guys, will not be able to stop a collapse....that they are/were a part of!! in other words, it's all a charade, and a crock of shit! Here...I'm not the only one...... Sound Familiar??? GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Retroactive Retirement??? From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 19 Jul 12 - 09:17 AM I'm going to give up smoking retroactively, twenty years before I actually did (2006), just to see if it will cure my emphysema. I fear, however that it will turn out to be as real as Romney's severance from Bain.........PIE IN THE SKY!! Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Retroactive Retirement??? From: GUEST,Lighter Date: 19 Jul 12 - 10:10 AM If Al Gore is made President retroactively, some of that bad stuff didn't happen. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Retroactive Retirement??? From: Greg F. Date: 19 Jul 12 - 10:21 AM Nah, we can't make Al Gore president retroactively - isn't that against the Prime Directive 'cause it'll mess up the space-time continuum? I'll have to check with Mr. Spock- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Retroactive Retirement??? From: EBarnacle Date: 19 Jul 12 - 10:31 AM It would be simpler to have George HW use a condom retroactively so George W would not be in the equation at all but that would also violate the Prime Directive. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Retroactive Retirement??? From: GUEST,Lighter Date: 19 Jul 12 - 11:21 AM Who's behind this "Prime Directive" anyway? It transparently serves the interests of the ruling classes. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Retroactive Retirement??? From: Jack the Sailor Date: 19 Jul 12 - 12:06 PM As Jon Stewart has said on many occasions. "Ya gotta time machine, the first thing ya gotta do is kill Hitler." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Retroactive Retirement??? From: GUEST,Lighter Date: 19 Jul 12 - 12:08 PM But seriously. If "retired retroactively" has any meaning at all (yeah, I know) it must mean that he returned all the salary he originally drew after the date of his retroactive retirement. So...he did that, right? Otherwise it's, like, totally a joke. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Retroactive Retirement??? From: GUEST,999 Date: 19 Jul 12 - 12:12 PM "What a fucking sham!..and we don't have to settle for that...and it needs to be said LOUD and clear!" It has been said loudly and clearly many times. I happen to agree with you, GfS, but I don't agree that anyone shouted me into submission. The progress of world-wide capitalism has been evident to everyone for decades. However, that is not the point. This particular election IS the point. Romney is much more dangerous than Obama ever has been. Romney represents what is wrong with a system that values money over people. Yes, the USA needs a third party. So where is it? Now it is mid-July. The election will be held in less than four months on November 6, 2012. So you have two choices and maybe then three choices. Vote or don't vote. If you do vote you have to choose from Obama, Romney and Maryerballot. I can understand your frustration and disdain for what has happened to the USA during the past decade. My question is, "Now what?" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Retroactive Retirement??? From: Jack the Sailor Date: 19 Jul 12 - 01:29 PM GfS says it wants to make a difference, but all we see it it calling the same people the same names year after year for about the same things in the same ways for about four years now. Same shit, same SHOUTING!!! Four fucking years. Automatically, reflexively the same crap the same criticism, the same condensation for four bleeding years. Please do not encourage him by treating her as if he were an actual caring, feeling rational human. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Retroactive Retirement??? From: Jack the Sailor Date: 19 Jul 12 - 02:06 PM Rush is trying to be the Bane of the Obama Campaign, while Bain is the Bane of the Romney Campaign. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Retroactive Retirement??? From: GUEST,Lighter Date: 19 Jul 12 - 03:16 PM If he'd just release those sealed tax documents, everybody would see he gave the money back. Wouldn't they? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Retroactive Retirement??? From: Bobert Date: 19 Jul 12 - 05:31 PM So GfinS wants "straight talk"??? Gol danged, I've produced a books worth of straight talk when it comes to public policy... I keep up with it... GfinS proclaims to keep up with but when boxed into a corner really knows very little about policy... Here's some straight talk... ***Boycott companies that are bankrolling TeaPubs... ***Write letters to newspapers and your representatives... ***Get private money out of elections... ***Get Norway to redistrict or voting districts to make them competitive... ***Publicly fund elections... \ ***Teach civics in school and require a basic knowledge in order to vote... ***Return the Fairness Doctrine where if you attack me I get eqaul time... ***Restore union rights... ***Nationalize any horaded cash that is not invested within 1 year... ***One 6 years term for all presidents... ***Put term limits of Supreme Court judges... ***Do away with the filibuster rule in the Senate... ***Require that Congress meet once a year for 3 months (no time off except weekends) and require an annual budget before they can adjourn... ***Return the tax rates one everyone to 1996 levels... ***No no-bid contracts... Thems is just for starters... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Retroactive Retirement??? From: GUEST,sciencegeek Date: 20 Jul 12 - 01:19 PM For starters... can anyone explain why I only see the non-music threads when I use a computer that doesn't have my cookies set. If I log in regularly, I can't find the threads or even how to get access to them. techno klutz but on the topic of stupidity in American politics, I place a good part of the blame on an "educational" system that is actually more indoctrinal ... the last thing politicians want is voters who can actually think for themselves... or at least recognize that life is shades of grey - not purely black or white. We are teaching sturdents that the answers are already there and limited to the choices on the test page. I's far rather see a kid come up with their own answer, right or wrong, and then have to defend their choice. I get these BS so-called opinion surveys from my "elected" respresentatives ( not that they ever got my vote) that give a choice of answers - every one of them worded to place the blame on the opposite party. And it's my tax money going to creating these bogus things. I listen to the krap coming from the Right and I can see little difference from the propaganda put out by facists of the early 1930's... or communists or other anti-democracy regimes. They feed on xenophobic fears and hatred. Nice. :( |
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Subject: RE: BS: Retroactive Retirement??? From: Ebbie Date: 20 Jul 12 - 01:50 PM "...the same condensation for four bleeding years." JtS Yep. We are all awash from his spray. I mind it almost as much as his condescension. :) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Retroactive Retirement??? From: GUEST,Lighter Date: 20 Jul 12 - 01:52 PM "Politicians" have little say on what's being taught or how. The decisions are made by local schoolboards and state departments of education. Both are made up of parents and bureaucrats, many of whom have teaching degrees. Since 1789 the public has gotten the educational system it wants: teach my kid to read and write enough to get by, to do enough math to get by, and to salute the flag. Sure, there are millions of parents who want more than that. But most do little about it, and few can afford to send their kids to private schools or are able to demand (and get) better quality teaching. I'm not talking about exceptions. I'm talking about the rule. When I was in high school in the '60s, my superficial American history class ended at 1945. A few years ago, I found out it was still true. Anything after 1945 is just too "controversial," or maybe too complicated, for many public schools. Pay scales show what society values, and collectively we value Kim Kardashian and the college football coach more than any educator anywhere. The average teacher's salary is about $42,000 a year. That's $5000 less than the average of all U.S. salaries. The average salary for coaches in the "top 120 football programs" is $1,000,000. A year. We're lucky that so many people are still willing to go through college just to get an education degree. But twenty years ago, anyway, education programs were notoriously the easiest ones to get into and the easiest ones to ace. If I'm wrong, please correct me. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Retroactive Retirement??? From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 20 Jul 12 - 01:53 PM If I make instant coffee retroactively, will I travel back in time? Don T |
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Subject: RE: BS: Retroactive Retirement??? From: Greg F. Date: 20 Jul 12 - 02:00 PM Only if its decaf. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Retroactive Retirement??? From: Jack the Sailor Date: 20 Jul 12 - 02:02 PM "I mind it almost as much as his condescension" Damn autocorrect and my lousy damned spelling!!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Retroactive Retirement??? From: Jack the Sailor Date: 20 Jul 12 - 02:04 PM average teacher's salary is about $42,000 a year. education programs were notoriously the easiest ones to get into and the easiest ones to ace. There, my friend, you are looking at the market in action. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Retroactive Retirement??? From: GUEST,sciencegeek Date: 20 Jul 12 - 02:26 PM "Politicians" have little say on what's being taught or how. The decisions are made by local schoolboards and state departments of education. Both are made up of parents and bureaucrats, many of whom have teaching degrees. Even if you home school, you are subject to political interference. State education and education departments are headed by political appointees... who owe their jobs to the party in power. And they control the purse strings and the rules & regulations to control the educational system. The school district and PTA get to rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic. And science text books have been watered down year after year thanks to the buying power of the Book Depository of Texas - you might remember it from the "end" of the Kennedy Administration. And I seem to remember something about "no child left behind"... what PTA shoved that one down our throats? It came from the same guy who thinks that creationism is a valid scientific theory. And also took a budget surplus and turned it into the current recession. I got my teaching certification and was sickened by what I saw from the teaching end... a "system" that has turned into a bureaucratic morass that drives many a good teacher away and handicaps the rest. And this in schools that are considered successful and have good averages of graduates and college admissions rates. As for history... I was broken hearted when I entered 9th grade and got my first look at a "world history" text. I had foolishly thought that I would learn about world history, not be restricted to almost exclusively western European history. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Retroactive Retirement??? From: GUEST,Lighter Date: 20 Jul 12 - 04:43 PM The problem goes back long before "No Child Left Behind," which in fact was an attempt, misbegotten in many ways, to improve things. Please explain how "the party in power" (in the White House? in Congress?) tells teachers what and how to teach. Not even Bogeyman Bush made anybody teach Creationism who didn't want to. Not even Lyndon Johnson made my history class end at 1945 or made me go through 12 years of education - at above average schools in a big city - without even one course in what colleges call "practical reasoning." In other words, when to suspect that somebody's snowing you. Later, I taught a course just like that to college freshmen. It was an eye-opener. For me and for them. Rick Santorum advises America's youth not to go to college because college graduates are more likely to be agnostics and atheists. He blames left-wing, liberal professors for brainwashing the kids. Oddly, university "brainwashing" on every other topic is notoriously ineffective. The system has been broken since it began. Why? Because few give much of a damn and a great many that do are incompetent otherwise. I did what I could, competent *or* otherwise. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Retroactive Retirement??? From: Arkie Date: 20 Jul 12 - 05:24 PM I would like some good advice on how this retroactive thing works. I would like to make some retroactive investments. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Retroactive Retirement??? From: Bobert Date: 20 Jul 12 - 08:15 PM The entire educational system is way out of wack... Schools should be turned into social interaction centers and acadmeics left to individual study (computers)... I know this does not make me popular with traditional classroom teachers but... B~ (2 years teaching 5/6th and 3 years GED in the Richmond City Jail) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Retroactive Retirement??? From: Jack the Sailor Date: 21 Jul 12 - 12:22 AM I would like to make some retroactive investments. Do you think that is how Mitt got 250 million in net worth? :-) |
