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Subject: BS: how independent is fcebook? From: The Sandman Date: 27 Apr 12 - 04:57 PM I would be interested in peoples views,is it becoming a tool for governments to watch and control. |
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Subject: RE: BS: how independent is fcebook? From: Stilly River Sage Date: 27 Apr 12 - 05:04 PM Anything can become a tool to use against you, especially if you voluntarily put out information that can be personally damaging. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: how independent is fcebook? From: John MacKenzie Date: 27 Apr 12 - 05:10 PM Well IF they watch Facebook, I bet that they also watch all the others too. |
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Subject: RE: BS: how independent is fcebook? From: The Sandman Date: 27 Apr 12 - 05:19 PM SRS,I am not talking about personal info, but political comments and political causes. Information can be passed quickly on Facebook, and appears it can also be suppressed quickly Mudcat, however is a forum that is run by volunteers, that does not employ lawyers and exists to promote music, what is the purpose of Facebook? |
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Subject: RE: BS: how independent is fcebook? From: bobad Date: 27 Apr 12 - 05:22 PM "what is the purpose of Facebook?" Social networking. |
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Subject: RE: BS: how independent is fcebook? From: John MacKenzie Date: 27 Apr 12 - 05:42 PM Nope. The purpose of Facebook is to sell targetted advertising, using the information we supply for free. |
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Subject: RE: BS: how independent is fcebook? From: GUEST,999 Date: 27 Apr 12 - 05:53 PM Bingo, Mr Mac. BTW, saw Caroline C in the drugstore and passed on your good wishes. |
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Subject: RE: BS: how independent is fcebook? From: JohnInKansas Date: 27 Apr 12 - 06:24 PM Facebook has been a primary target for many agencies that want information about you. This includes "official" and unofficial agents and agencies. The assumption that "everybody does it" along with the personal nature of what appears on your page makes it a well known source, and hence it's very popular with those seeking your information. A worrisome trend has been the demand by employers, schools, and others that you give them your Facebook password as a condition of employement or school attendance. Many potential employers currently will not even give you an interview for potential employment unless you give them your password. A variant has been the demand that you must "Friend" a school administrator (or an HR rep) so that they can look at more of your page(s). It's been a common demand at many schools that you must "Friend" the coach/advisor in order to participate on any school athletic teams or to join the glee club or debate team etc. This has become so prevalent that there is a bill in the US legislature now to prohibit any requirement that you make your personal information available to employers and "post-secondary schools." The bill has been viewed favorably by both employers/school administrators and employees/student advocacy groups. The problem for employers or school administrators is that if they can demand access they may be liable for failing to keep track of what you're doing there, so formally prohibiting them from being able to demand Friending or your password relieves them of some potential liability. The problem for employees/students is that not all employers or school administrators "play nice" with what personal stuff they might know about you. (What has been reported about the proposed law makes it look like a good idea, but I haven't found the full text as yet.) Of course anyone who "holds" information about you can be ordered to release it to anyone who can get a judge to issue the order (a search warrant?), and there apparently are a lot of "pretty easy" judges around. John |
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Subject: RE: BS: how independent is fcebook? From: GUEST,PeterC Date: 27 Apr 12 - 06:43 PM Recent cartoon in Private Eye Scene: job interview Interviewer: "I see you are not on Facebook. What have you got to hide?" |
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Subject: RE: BS: how independent is fcebook? From: GUEST,Stim Date: 27 Apr 12 - 08:18 PM GSS-Mark Zuckerberg is pretty much "BIG BROTHER"-and everything he knows about you is for sale. That includes much more that what you choose to share on your FB page. If your browser is linked to Facebook(and this can happen without you realizing it) he knows what you're been reading, he knows what you have bought, he knows who all your friends are, what they like, what they don't like. Depending on which online services you use, he can know your work history, your credit history, where you were last Saturday, and who you're meeting with on Tuesday. I was watching an old TV show on Hulu, and during the commercial break, a screen popped up that addressed me by name and made some recommendations, based on my interests. I had been using YouTube, which apparently linked to my Facebook account, when I went to Hulu, it used the Facebook link to sign me in. Now I use a "clean" browser" and, if I must sign on, I use a handle, and I sign off when I am done. |
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Subject: RE: BS: how independent is fcebook? From: bobad Date: 27 Apr 12 - 08:31 PM "Nope. The purpose of Facebook is to sell targetted advertising, using the information we supply for free" I don't see any advertising on Facebook so that statement is irrelevant to me - I use it for the purpose stated. As far as us supplying information for free goes, we get use of the facilities for free - a fair trade IMO. |
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Subject: RE: BS: how independent is fcebook? From: GUEST,Stim Date: 27 Apr 12 - 10:47 PM How about the information that you don't give them? |
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Subject: RE: BS: how independent is facebook? From: Richard Bridge Date: 28 Apr 12 - 06:29 AM Presumably the sensible thing to do is to have a number of facebook accounts in your own name and let work see only the bowdlerised version. |
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Subject: RE: BS: how independent is facebook? From: Jack Campin Date: 28 Apr 12 - 07:48 AM And from The Onion: The CIA Facebook Project |
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Subject: RE: BS: how independent is facebook? From: Jean(eanjay) Date: 28 Apr 12 - 06:47 PM A worrisome trend has been the demand by employers, schools, and others that you give them your Facebook password as a condition of employement or school attendance. I was shocked to read that. They wouldn't expect you to give your house key so that they could read your mail or listen to your telephone messages. Passwords are confidential and it is unreasonable to make that a condition. Whatever happened to equal opportunities? ~ you can have this job because you are the best person for it irrespective of whether you are on Facebook or not. |
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Subject: RE: BS: how independent is facebook? From: GUEST,Hookey Wole Date: 28 Apr 12 - 11:33 PM I refuse to do social networking that's just me - I'm not saying it's bad or wrong... but listening and talking to old friends, I get the impression it's like facebook is middle aged internet swinging and dogging scene..??? reality check... you didn't get round to shagging your first true love at school catch up now 30 years later, meet up social networking.. but now got the furtive opportunity do the dirty sex act now in your 40s and 50s... have a quick shower in motel, drive home to loving spouse none the wiser what they don't know don't destroy them gotta love internet culture........... |
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Subject: RE: BS: how independent is facebook? From: Ebbie Date: 29 Apr 12 - 12:45 AM Hookey Wole, you have weird friends. In my experience there is NOTHING like that in Facebook. |
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Subject: RE: BS: how independent is facebook? From: GUEST,Hookey Wole Date: 29 Apr 12 - 01:02 AM Ebbie, I'm 53.. My best friends girlfriend when we were 17 found us again on facebook. she drove down from far away up the motorway, who knows what excuse she gave her husband & family for that night.. turned up on gig night in our old town favourite pub made it far too clear she always fancied me at school.. very awkward and embarrassing... but must say she is very fit and good looking for 52.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: how independent is facebook? From: GUEST Date: 29 Apr 12 - 02:48 AM Like the lady said, you have weird friends. |
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Subject: RE: BS: how independent is facebook? From: GUEST,Hookey Wole Date: 29 Apr 12 - 03:05 AM Guest .. [Date: 29 Apr 12 - 02:48 AM] nothing weird.. seems there's a world of just ordinary adult sexuality you feel uncomfortable with.. ??? Really what's wrong in your mind ??? plain normal average middle aged folks can enjoy having sex - can't they !!!?? |
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Subject: RE: BS: how independent is facebook? From: Ebbie Date: 29 Apr 12 - 03:05 PM Of course- but what's Facebook got to do with it? It is all about relationships. What kind of relationships you want is in your own control. |
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Subject: RE: BS: how independent is facebook? From: GUEST Date: 29 Apr 12 - 05:19 PM I have no problem with the sex, from what I've heard, that's a good thing, it's the stalker part--Someone you knew 36 years ago finds your gig on the internet, drives for hours to tell you she fancied you at school, and creates an awkward and embarrassing situation-that's the weird thing-- |
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Subject: RE: BS: how independent is facebook? From: Richard Bridge Date: 29 Apr 12 - 05:21 PM Damn, never happens to me! |
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Subject: RE: BS: how independent is facebook? From: Jeri Date: 29 Apr 12 - 06:06 PM I suspect the same people trying to get laid via Facebook are the ones who go to bars to score. It's about the individuals and who's doing what for what reason. Facebook us just a virtual place to do what you want (or are compelled) to do. I found high school and childhood friends. I found out about a class reunion when I hadn't been able to get any information at all previously because I'd moved. I've found a friend I've known for 31 years and hadn't seen or heard from for 15. Found out how delightful some people are once I got to know them a little better, and I get to be a tiny bit involved with other human beings, which I don't get so much of in Real Life. |
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Subject: RE: BS: how independent is facebook? From: Penny S. Date: 30 Apr 12 - 03:56 AM I'm not on there, but am getting increasingly irritated by its being used by various groups as the place to contact them or follow things up. This includes the government and the BBC, and campaigning groups like those opposing the placing of missiles in East London. (The result of the latter is having to use old fashioned methods like finding out if anyone you know knows anyone they know.) Penny |
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Subject: RE: BS: how independent is facebook? From: Will Fly Date: 30 Apr 12 - 05:32 AM I'm not on Facebook, or MySpace, or sites like that. As a good friend of mine who works for Apple once told me, if you get something for free on the net, it's probably the case that you're the product. Facebook and similar sites work on demographics which are used in advertising and product placement, and even if you don't add a great deal about yourself, the connection to friends who do say a lot about themselves is information which adds to the demographics. I'm sure anyone who wanted to could find all about me by using the net, so it's not the social networking aspect that bothers me, just the slight irritation at being used as a product - and a suspicion of Big Brother. There are enough Big Brothers in this world without volunteering for another one. So I don't use Facebook - or Google, for that matter. |
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Subject: RE: BS: how independent is facebook? From: The Sandman Date: 30 Apr 12 - 01:09 PM Facebook's first slip Simon Duke As the social media giant prepares for its $100 billion float its profits have stumbled. A timely warning? This is a very interesting article about face book, in the latest sunday times business section. Facebook users are regarded by Facebook as consumers,but it does not end there, imo any political comment or political organisation[eg campaign against household charge] has no guarantee that information published on facebook will not be collated by governments. |
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Subject: RE: BS: how independent is facebook? From: quokka Date: 30 Apr 12 - 02:11 PM I wish I could like Jeri and Bobad's posts on here :-)oh wait, I can do that on Facebook LOL... |
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Subject: RE: BS: how independent is facebook? From: GUEST Date: 30 Apr 12 - 03:00 PM Will Fly, After I getting over my obligatory indignation, I realized that your friend's "if you get something for free on the net, it's probably the case that you're the product" could be edited down to "on the internet, you're the product" and because the internet is interactive, to "on the internet, you're both the product and the consumer". And, though you may not be on Facebook or MySpace, you are on YouTube, and you, and that MandoTenor sound great together on "As Time Goes By" (where's the guitar player?;-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: how independent is facebook? From: Will Fly Date: 30 Apr 12 - 03:16 PM GUEST - let me quote from my own post: I'm sure anyone who wanted to could find all about me by using the net There's quite enough of me out there without giving more to Facebook! :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: how independent is facebook? From: GUEST Date: 30 Apr 12 - 03:58 PM I hope you didn't take my comment as anything other than a wry observation- I know how much of you is out there, as I made it as far as to "Butterflies in the Rain", when I noticed that you had tabs etc posted, and I looked a those, which prompted me to dig out my Al Bowlly recording of said song (which always reminds me of "Honeymoon Hotel" which I may pull out next), only to have "Garden in the Rain" begin to play simultaneously (I'd failed to pause YouTube), another favorite of mine, and the ensuing chaos has distracted me from everything I'd planned for the afternoon...;-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: how independent is facebook? From: Greg F. Date: 30 Apr 12 - 07:59 PM Fascinating. Farcebook only has what foolish idiots give it in the name of accumulating cyber "friends" that do not exist in reality. Folks willingly give them "private" infrmation and then comp[lain that it'sw no longer private. Want to "network"? try talking to real people face to face. |
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Subject: RE: BS: how independent is facebook? From: framus Date: 30 Apr 12 - 08:18 PM I like Facebook, but would never treat anything I read there as gospel. A lotta people seem to, then whinge and bitch when the tide seems not to go their way. Surely, treat it as you would any other conversation. |
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Subject: RE: BS: how independent is facebook? From: The Sandman Date: 01 May 12 - 02:10 AM The problem with all internet discussion forums is that body language can not be seen, Secondly, internet discussion forums are a relatively recent phenomenon, which we have to learn to use in a mature way. Digressing slightly, Face book make a big hullaballoo about bullying and harassing, however I do know of someone who was bullied by a certain "friend"by way of private messages, of course the person can be blocked, but that is reminiscent of closing the stable door after the horse has bolted |
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Subject: RE: BS: how independent is facebook? From: Will Fly Date: 01 May 12 - 03:34 AM GUEST - just concentrate on "Garden In The Rain" - that's a beautiful, beautiful song. And have a listen to the recording by Georges Metaxa if you can. :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: how independent is facebook? From: GUEST Date: 02 May 12 - 01:03 AM Listened, it's very nice. My favorite, perhaps because I remember it from from childhood, is the Four Ace's version, but I could happily listen to any and all of the old versions. |
