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Subject: BS: Saving the World Starts Here... From: saulgoldie Date: 23 Dec 11 - 08:41 PM I double dog dare rightwing blockheads to argue with this: It Only Takes A Girl Saul |
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Subject: RE: BS: Saving the World Starts Here... From: Dead Horse Date: 24 Dec 11 - 04:56 AM Get rid of religeon. Job sorted. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Saving the World Starts Here... From: Jack the Sailor Date: 24 Dec 11 - 11:04 AM Learn to spell it before you ban it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Saving the World Starts Here... From: wysiwyg Date: 24 Dec 11 - 11:45 AM In fact some of us believe it DID take a girl, and she ALREADY DID IT. ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Saving the World Starts Here... From: Big Mick Date: 24 Dec 11 - 12:11 PM Thanks be that we have Jack to proofread. Whatever would we do without him? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Saving the World Starts Here... From: saulgoldie Date: 24 Dec 11 - 01:12 PM I didn't hear "ban religion" in the piece. I just heard "value women." But if we have to do that to value them as full human beings, then so be it. Shame that Jack chose to focus on a little spelling error. Saul |
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Subject: RE: BS: Saving the World Starts Here... From: number 6 Date: 24 Dec 11 - 01:52 PM well done .... thanks for sharing that Saul biLL |
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Subject: RE: BS: Saving the World Starts Here... From: Don Firth Date: 24 Dec 11 - 03:21 PM Two and a half millennia ago, democracy came into existence in the ancient city-state of Athens. It was the greatest and longest lasting democracy in history, lasting until Athens was conquered by Philip of Macedonia, father of Alexander the Great. It was not perfect, but in many ways it was superior to what we have today. For one thing, ALL citizens of Athens were expected to be fully aware of how the system worked and be up on current affairs. It could be dangerous not to be. Why? Representatives were chosen by lottery from the general citizenry. And their performance in office was judged at the end of their term by a jury of 501 citizens (deemed too large to be bribed, and also chosen by lottery), and honors and punishments were awarded, depending on that performance. As in the United States today, only citizens of Athens were allowed to participate in deliberations and to vote. But one of the major flaws in an otherwise excellent system from which we could learn much today, was that only men could be citizens. There were many citizens--men--at the time who objected to the exclusion of women, saying that because of this exclusion, Athens was wasting half of its intellectual potential. These Athenians were right. And there are many modern countries who, 2500 years later, STILL haven't learned! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Saving the World Starts Here... From: Jack the Sailor Date: 24 Dec 11 - 03:33 PM I think insisting that religion should be banned, to promote peace, on Christmas Eve is pretty tasteless and inconsiderate. But how much consideration should be given such an opinion when the poster could not be bothered to spell the word properly? Not to beat a dead horse, especially on this of all days. But sometimes even dead horses earn a beating. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Saving the World Starts Here... From: gnu Date: 24 Dec 11 - 05:35 PM Jaysus Jack! Come on man? Like you give two fucks from Sunday about tha Lard? I think the OP vid was outstanding. Brought a tear to my eye. I hope it goes viral. I was totally shocked to learn of genital mutilation some years back. Also, the other subjugation and... I just have a hard time thinking about any of it, letting alone commenting on it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Saving the World Starts Here... From: GUEST,999 Date: 24 Dec 11 - 05:51 PM It's a real numb nuts who can only find one way to spell a word. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Saving the World Starts Here... From: GUEST,Eliza Date: 24 Dec 11 - 05:52 PM Excellent and thought-provoking saulgoldie. I only know parts of West Africa, not other continents, but I have seen changes there which give a bit of hope that things are getting better for young women. For instance, FGM is now illegal in many CEDEAO member countries, and mums refuse to allow their girls to be mutilated, especially in the towns and cities. Also, marriage to old men is less common. But lack of education is a tough problem to crack. Education, contraception and employment are the key. Many women now run small businesses very successfully, with help from mini-loan charities. But when there are even 'Honour Killings' and forced marriages taking place right under our noses in the UK, there's obviously a long road ahead for our sisters under subjugation... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Saving the World Starts Here... From: Jack the Sailor Date: 24 Dec 11 - 09:50 PM I am sorry I made the joker about the spelling. I was irritated by the all too common anti religion sentiment being expressed once again, on this forum. And on Christmas Eve no less. If any of you think a comprehensive ban on religion will solve all the problems addressed in that video then you agree with what Dead Horse said. I don't agree. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Saving the World Starts Here... From: GUEST,Steamin' Willie Date: 25 Dec 11 - 03:47 AM Merry Xmas to one and all, even those who reckon clinging to superstition is important enough to hijack the serious and thought provoking message of this thread. Me? I'd ban religion tomorrow but the human mind in general needs reassurance and a crutch to prop them up,so some bugger would only reinvent the ruddy thing the next day. A bit like the loony the other day saying I can't really celebrate Xmas whilst I deny he Christian faith. Bollocks to him then. I'm having a great time and only on Mudcat to try out my new iPad toy. Later, Xmas dinner with all the trimmings, got to cross the farting crackers and peel the spuds when I go downstairs. Of course, this good Cheer shall as ever be tempered by thinking about subjects such as the original post subject here. Mind you, I shan't be wasting my time thinking about a fictitious dude from ancient Judea elevated from a supposedly real political agitator into some supernatural symbol. If you do, then fine but here in The Uk, more people read Viz comic than go to church. Interesting little factoid to ponder on whilst walking the dog this morning. Merry Xmas! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Saving the World Starts Here... From: akenaton Date: 25 Dec 11 - 12:50 PM If only everything was so simple. That's the trouble with "liberals", they think everyone else is a "blockhead", because they dont share their simplified vision of how to make the world perfect. Even when faced by the abyss, they keep spouting of "equality uber alles" We are presently educating a generation who through no fault of their own, will have no jobs and no life....because of our selfishness, greed, and belief in our own entitlement. They will be both men and women.....the lost generation....perhaps two generations, yet we are still sidetracked by "gender politics" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Saving the World Starts Here... From: akenaton Date: 25 Dec 11 - 12:59 PM BTW ...none of us need to be money making machines to be "of value". We all have different "talents", of course we should value women, first and foremost as the mothers of our species, but culturally and intellectually as well.....and that does not mean that anyone without formal education is worthless. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Saving the World Starts Here... From: GUEST,999 Date: 26 Dec 11 - 08:54 AM "of course we should value women, first and foremost as the mothers of our species" Women should be valued along with men because they are the parents of our species. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Saving the World Starts Here... From: Bobert Date: 26 Dec 11 - 10:04 AM Well spent 4 minutes, 9 seconds... Thanks, Saul... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Saving the World Starts Here... From: Big Mick Date: 26 Dec 11 - 10:43 AM Good man, Jack. I didn't care for the comment, but now I understand the sentiment behind it. I am also troubled by some of the attacks. Valid criticism is plenty fine, that is part of debate and discussion. Good apology and explanation. |