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Subject: BS: Egyptian Elections From: akenaton Date: 04 Dec 11 - 03:54 AM Well ????? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Egyptian Elections From: Sandy Mc Lean Date: 04 Dec 11 - 09:25 AM I hope that it isn't jumping from the frying pan into the fire! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Egyptian Elections From: akenaton Date: 04 Dec 11 - 10:37 AM Aren't we clever?......We even help to tip them over the edge. The UK media is more or less silent about the Islamist landslide. Next Libya? or will the "liberal democrats" who sodomised the Col with a knife then murdered him, and who are holding thousands of prisoners without charge, play the game nicely for their Western accomplices. As I warned in the Tripoli thread, the Arab Spring was a sham....simple manipulation of young naive people. We are rolling back "democracy" every day, yet we think we can transplant it into tribal culture........stupid and evil, how many deaths has it cost to make their society LESS free. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Egyptian Elections From: Little Hawk Date: 04 Dec 11 - 10:54 AM I think there's a hunger in those populations for both Islamic representation AND democracy, Akenaton. Islam and democracy are not mutually exclusive, because there are many different versions of Islam...across a range from most "liberal" to most "conservative" interpretations of Islam. Most (if not all) of the Pakistani or Iranian or Middle Eastern people I've ever met are devoutly Islamic (because that is their religion which they grew up with) AND are fervent believers in the benefits of democracy...and they have no trouble combining those beliefs. Be that as it may, there is no guarantee as to which way the pendulum will swing after the Arab Spring. One thing for sure, many of the young people's hopes will be disappointed as one set of autocrats, thugs, and military people will probably take over from the last set. Things may indeed get quite a bit worse. Israel's previous cushy arrangements with Egypt will probably vanish down the river now, and that will make the Israelis even more paranoid than they used to be (if that's possible). That in itself heightens the danger of a major military conflict in the area. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Egyptian Elections From: GUEST,Paul Burke Date: 04 Dec 11 - 10:59 AM Stupid assumption that Egypt is a "tribal" society, whatever that may mean. I think you mean, "wogs don't understand that the purpose of democracy is to elect OUR candidates". As for torturing people, it's not just benighted Arabs who do that, is it? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Egyptian Elections From: Little Hawk Date: 04 Dec 11 - 11:01 AM Egypt is a great nation, a nation well aware of its history. I see no reason to underestimate their intelligence or their capability. And the same goes for Iran. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Egyptian Elections From: akenaton Date: 04 Dec 11 - 11:12 AM I agree with most of what you say LH...but religion rules, I suppose that is their take on democracy, the freedom to be Musims, even fundamentalist Muslims. One could make quite a good case for it, when contrasted with OUR STYLE OF "DEMOCRACY" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Egyptian Elections From: akenaton Date: 04 Dec 11 - 11:17 AM We would like them to adopt OUR style of course.....aren't we devious? Devious, but still too stupid for the Imams. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Egyptian Elections From: Stringsinger Date: 04 Dec 11 - 01:10 PM One of the biggest mistakes the Egyptians made was to trust the military to govern. This is always a disaster. There is a question that Sharia Law might be applied by the Muslim Brotherhood and my suspicion rests in the name. Where are the women (sisterhood)? The other branch of Islam being voted in is analogous to the Christian fundamentalism found in the U.S. I would like to see more plurality in their government as I wish for the U.S. with its two parties beginning to look the same. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Egyptian Elections From: Little Hawk Date: 04 Dec 11 - 09:23 PM Darn right! (about the two USA parties) I don't believe for a moment that the USA or any of the western governments give a fig about establishing real democracy in ANY part of the Third World. That's just media propaganda for the western population. What western governments want in those countries is obedient client regimes who will cooperate with western strategic and business interests, allow western military bases on their land, and hand over their national resources at a price acceptable to the USA and Nato. They also want to dominate the Third World and shut out the Russians and Chinese from doing the same. It's colonialism, in truth, but not official and open colonialism, as that is not acceptable anymore in the post-WWII age. It's the Great Game all over again, as it once was between Great Britain and Imperial Russia, and the real long range opponents in this new version of the Great Game are Russia and China. The West will happily work with Muslim fundamentalists any time they can arrange it to their mutual satisfaction. They have done so in the past....and doing so (in Afghanistan) was a vital factor in bringing down the Soviet Union in 1989. But Israel is a wild card in that scheme. The degree of smouldering anger in the entire Muslim world against Israel, and against the USA for shamelessly backing and promoting Israel in virtually any and all circumstances is growing more dangerous with time, not less. That is the wild card that could cause the Great Game to turn into a truly deadly one, and release the nuclear genie from his bottle. If it does, I fear that Israel (and the USA) will be the ones to open that bottle, and that Iran will be the target. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Egyptian Elections From: akenaton Date: 05 Dec 11 - 07:14 PM Anybody seen Charley n' Bobad? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Egyptian Elections From: Charley Noble Date: 06 Dec 11 - 09:11 AM akenaton- I'm off on the edge of the world right now, in the West Indies, but it's nice (reassuring?) to know that you are there at5 Mudcat Central keeping track of all the threads of political life and death. Cheerily, Charley Noble |
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Subject: RE: BS: Egyptian Elections From: akenaton Date: 06 Dec 11 - 11:50 AM All the best Charley!.....Wish I was there, give my regards to Long John and Cpn Flint if you see them! :0) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Egyptian Elections From: Little Hawk Date: 07 Dec 11 - 01:34 AM The West Indies are a very nice place to be. I kind of wish I was there too. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Egyptian Elections From: Joe Offer Date: 07 Dec 11 - 02:20 AM My sister is in Alexandria for a year, while her husband is teaching at the university. She doesn't feel particularly unsafe or restricted, but they stay out of Cairo when there are large demonstrations. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Egyptian Elections From: akenaton Date: 19 Dec 11 - 11:32 AM Final Results now in. Muslim Brotherhood 39% Salafist(right wing Islamist)30% Of the 160 seats contested Liberals have won 9. Well thats Democracy for ya! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Egyptian Elections From: bobad Date: 19 Dec 11 - 01:39 PM Then there's the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. |
