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Subject: Obit: RIP Gary Speed Welsh Manager UK From: Arthur_itus Date: 27 Nov 11 - 08:12 AM So sorry to hear this and so young. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-15909277 Quote Wales football manager Gary Speed has died at the age of 42. The Football Association of Wales (FAW) has told the BBC it appears Speed, the national manager for nearly a year, killed himself. Cheshire Police confirmed he was found dead on 07:08 GMT at his home in Huntington, Chester. They said there were no suspicious circumstances. First Minister Carwyn Jones called it "devastating news" and said he was deeply saddened He said: "Our thoughts are with his family at what must be a very difficult time for them." The FAW said; "We extend our sympathies and condolences to the family. "We ask that everyone respects the family's privacy at this very sad time." In a statement, Cheshire Police said: "At 7.08am on Sunday 27th November Cheshire police was informed of a sudden death at an address in Huntington in Chester. "Officers went to the scene where a 42-year-old man was found dead. "The next of kin have been informed and have confirmed the identity of the man as Gary Speed. 85 caps "There are no suspicious circumstances surrounding the death and the family have requested that they are left in peace to grieve at this difficult time. Police said a family tribute will be issued later. Speed, born in Mancot, Flintshire, took over the Wales job in December 2010, and earlier this month, said the side's rapid improvement had exceeded all expectations. A 4-1 friendly win over Norway represented a third successive win for Wales, and Speed's fifth in 10 games as manager. At the time, he said: "We've progressed further than I'd have thought in this space of time but we've still got a lot of work to do." 'Stunned and saddened' Speed won 85 caps for his country during a 14-year international career. He was given the top job in Welsh football despite only having four months managerial experience. Speed began his playing career at Leeds United after coming through the trainee ranks, and was part of the side that won the last Football League title in 1992, before the introduction of the Premier League. A Leeds spokesman said the club was "stunned and saddened" by the news. He was handed his Wales debut as a 20-year-old in the 1-0 friendly win over Costa Rica in May 1990. He left Leeds in 1996 after 312 appearances to join Everton - who he went on to captain - in a £3.5m move. Newcastle followed, in a £5.5m switch in 1998. During his six years with the Magpies, he suffered two FA Cup final defeats, but enjoyed a taste of Champions League football. He then spent four years with Bolton Wanderers after agreeing a £750,000 move. Speed became the first player to reach 500 Premier League appearances. He retired from international duty in 2004, having scored seven goals and captaining his country 44 times. Speed's final appearance came in 3-2 World Cup qualifying defeat by Poland in October 2004. His tally of 85 caps is a record for an outfield player. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: RIP Gary Speed Welsh Manager UK From: Dave Hanson Date: 27 Nov 11 - 10:24 AM No-one says a single bad word about him, makes you wonder what demons haunted him, at 42 years old, a real tragedy. Dave H |
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Subject: RE: Obit: RIP Gary Speed Welsh Manager UK From: Brian May Date: 27 Nov 11 - 10:25 AM Can't help expecting to hear of some tragic and shaming reason why a guy with his record would leave his family and friends in this manner. For him it's over, for all who knew him, it's just begun . . . Very sad |
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Subject: RE: Obit: RIP Gary Speed Welsh Manager UK From: Jean(eanjay) Date: 27 Nov 11 - 11:40 AM So sorry to hear this sad news. He used to play for Leeds United; a lot of people will be shocked and saddened by this. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: RIP Gary Speed Football Welsh Mgr UK Nov2011 From: Arthur_itus Date: 27 Nov 11 - 12:50 PM Dutch newspapers are reporting (but still unfounded) that he hung himself. That is so aweful, if that is true. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: RIP Gary Speed Football Welsh Mgr UK Nov2011 From: Noreen Date: 27 Nov 11 - 01:13 PM That is what was reported on the BBC from the beginning, Arthur. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: RIP Gary Speed Football Welsh Mgr UK Nov2011 From: GUEST,Eliza Date: 27 Nov 11 - 01:22 PM How dreadful for his family, they'll have to face a terrible Christmas season each year. I wonder who found him. It's so sad to think he felt he had no-one to turn to. RIP. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: RIP Gary Speed Football Welsh Mgr UK Nov2011 From: Raedwulf Date: 27 Nov 11 - 01:43 PM Must be careful what I say here, becuase I'm rather unsympathetic about suicide. There was someone you could have talked to; did you stop & think about the pain you were going to inflict on those you left behind? Oh, obviously not. Selfish bas... RIP, Gary Speed. A decent footballer in your time, and you seemed to be doing a decent job with Wales too. Don't know why you felt the need, but you shouldn't have. R P.S. Before anyone jumps on me, there are people that I have known that I know are dead by their own hand; and my neighbour is recently not dead because I was there (no thanks to him!). So, in anticipation, yes I do know something about it, and I have felt that way myself. I'm just too bloody stubborn to run away from everything... |
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Subject: RE: Obit: RIP Gary Speed Football Welsh Mgr UK Nov2011 From: Arthur_itus Date: 27 Nov 11 - 01:43 PM It is aweful Eliza. One of my cousins with a wife and 2 children, gassed himself in his garage and they found him when it was too late. To not have somebody to turn to and to leave your family without them knowing is so tragic and sad. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: RIP Gary Speed Football Welsh Mgr UK Nov2011 From: fat B****rd Date: 27 Nov 11 - 02:23 PM I'm not much of a footballl fan but any event such as this is tragic. RIP Gary. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: RIP Gary Speed Football Welsh Mgr UK Nov2011 From: Brian May Date: 27 Nov 11 - 03:32 PM Raedwulf Yep, that about covers it. I must confess I'm a bit unsympathetic about suicides, they're the ultimate in passive aggression - even in despair. Whatever his relationship difficulties (pending or actual) his kids did not deserve the stigma for the rest of their lives, let alone his partner. There are absolutely no winners here, just different categories of loser. However good/brilliant/competent he was at his job, it was just that, a job. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: RIP Gary Speed Football Welsh Mgr UK Nov2011 From: VirginiaTam Date: 27 Nov 11 - 03:48 PM When someone ends their life or even contemplates it, they are hurting so bad they cannot bear it. Depression can do things to one's senses. Sight can become grey and unfocused. Sound becomes woolly as though hearing through pillows. Food becomes tasteless. Even the sense of touch is altered. You feel almost dead already. Sometimes it is the opposite. Everything is too rich, too sharp, too bright. I have been brought low by the brightness of white clouds in a pale blue sky. How dare it be so beautiful. I could not bear looking. No one can judge another person as selfish because you just don't know what he or she is suffering. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: RIP Gary Speed Football Welsh Mgr UK Nov2011 From: Brian May Date: 27 Nov 11 - 04:07 PM Having a psychotherapist in the family gives some insight - not the whole story by any means. It's about what is real, what is unreal and how to tell the difference. If the Press reports quoting his friends, are to be believed, he acted bright and cheery just the day before. Actually you CAN judge a person as selfish, but you may be wrong. He achieved his intention. My only concern is for his next of kin and friends and colleagues, and anyone else so affected - they are now scarred for life, that's a pretty selfish act in any coinage. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: RIP Gary Speed Football Welsh Mgr UK Nov2011 From: Raedwulf Date: 27 Nov 11 - 05:07 PM No one can judge another person as selfish because you just don't know what he or she is suffering. He wasn't thinking enough about other people to spare them the hurt that his suicide will cause. I call that selfish. But let's not argue here about what selfish means. The man's dead. It shouldn't have been... |
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Subject: RE: Obit: RIP Gary Speed Football Welsh Mgr UK Nov2011 From: GUEST,Peter Laban Date: 28 Nov 11 - 06:45 AM You may call it selfish. It could just as easily be considered selfish to ignore or dismiss the degree of suffering anyone contemplating suicide must go through. As has been pointed out above. I also think it's pretty naive to think things would have been OK 'if only they talked about it'. That too shows a misunderstanding of the issues. Depression that leads to suicidal behaviour is a complicated and ugly condition. Here is an article that appeared in the Irish Times on saturday. Worth a read. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: RIP Gary Speed Football Welsh Mgr UK Nov2011 From: autolycus Date: 28 Nov 11 - 07:30 AM I have both sympathy and lack of sympathy for suicides. It must be so terrible to be in such a state. My money is on overwhelming anger being likely to be at the bottom of it. On the other hand, as others have said, it's a very cruel thing to inflict on your nuclear family if nobody else. As a retired Gestalt therapist, I know how difficult it is for people to know themselves, be themselves, share all of themselves with their immediate family. It is worse in many parts of society where looking at oneself and exploring same with someone who knows what they're doing,is still thought of as self-indulgent, narcissistic, pointless, dangerous and so on. Instead the idea is to keep troubles to oneself, stand on your own to feet, pull yourself up by your own bootstraps and get on with it while fitting in. Football is one of the more reactionary parts of society where all that is likely to be truest. So no wonder when a good bloke like Speed does this, nobody can understand it. Everything is [emphasis] supposed to be hidden. Is it not still a devastatingly sad matter that a spouse on their way into a terrible and dark place cannot/will not confide in their partner? The Irish Times article was interesting. It pointed to another tendency which can have such aweful consequences. It was said of the woman that she was 'a perfectionist'. To aim for that is automatically riding for a fall. Perfectionism is a bain of our lives; not good. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: RIP Gary Speed Football Welsh Mgr UK Nov2011 From: GUEST,Eliza Date: 28 Nov 11 - 11:15 AM I have known of three suicides. In two cases, the dead person was found hanged, one by a man walking his dog and the other by two young lads. All were traumatised beyond belief at the horror of what they witnessed. The third was my uncle. He actually blew his brains out (literally I'm afraid) in his bedroom one morning. His wife and two young children were downstairs eating breakfast. Naturally they all ran upstairs at the shot, and all three were confronted by a sight no-one should ever have to view. My poor aunt was questioned by the Police to ensure she hadn't shot him herself (can you imagine going through that?) Now I understand the power of depression and that suicide may seem preferable to the suffering, but surely, surely none of these men would have wanted to cause such horror and distress (to put it mildly) to anyone? Therefore, they MUST have been out of their minds in the true sense of 'not sane'. So (IMO) I don't think they can be held culpable. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: RIP Gary Speed Football Welsh Mgr UK Nov2011 From: autolycus Date: 28 Nov 11 - 12:40 PM I don't think it'll be a case of they "wanted to cause such horror and distress." More likely they didn't take that into account. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: RIP Gary Speed Football Welsh Mgr UK Nov2011 From: MikeL2 Date: 28 Nov 11 - 02:56 PM hi What very sad news. Gary was a model professional where-ever he played. I saw him play many times for his various clubs. Always a class player. None of my football following friends have a bad word to say about him. My feelings go out to his wife Louise and his two boys. RIP Gary Mike |
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Subject: RE: Obit: RIP Gary Speed Football Welsh Mgr UK Nov2011 From: GUEST,Patsy Date: 29 Nov 11 - 06:52 AM He must have had such a troubled mind. I sympathise with his close friends and family who must be beside themselves not knowing whether it was anything said or anything could have been done differently even those far too young to understand it must be so hard and confusing for them. My feelings go out to his family. RIP Gary. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: RIP Gary Speed Football Welsh Mgr UK Nov2011 From: autolycus Date: 29 Nov 11 - 01:21 PM Apparently 5 other foorballers have gone to Paul Merson's Addiction Clinic for help since the news of Gary's death. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: RIP Gary Speed Football Welsh Mgr UK Nov2011 From: paula t Date: 29 Nov 11 - 03:52 PM This is absolutely terrible. I hope there isn't a rush, in the media, to speculate about this tragic death. I feel for his family who must be having an unbearably sad time. R.I.P. Gary. Paula Tindall |
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Subject: RE: Obit: RIP Gary Speed Football Welsh Mgr UK Nov2011 From: autolycus Date: 29 Nov 11 - 04:06 PM Beeb rdio 5 has now reported that it's now ten footballers who've contacted the clinic. |
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