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Subject: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: Ebbie Date: 24 Nov 11 - 04:11 PM In the continuing search for information this morning on Fox I watched a group of about 30 Iowans at some kind of Q&A thing. I don't know the host/moderator but he led the people to commit themselves to certain candidates along with the reasons. Most of the people said that Newt Gingrich was their man, that he best typified their values... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 24 Nov 11 - 04:32 PM Iowa has a split between city and rural; most country folk will vote Republican, more in the cities will vote Democratic. The Newt espouses some middle-of-the-road conservative values, hence attracts mid-America; Romney suffers from his LDS family background, although most Mormons are middle-of the road conservatives too. Obama got 54% in Iowa in 2008; I don't think he will do as well this time. McCain spoke against the agricultural subsidies, which hurt him in Iowa. I don't think the Republican hopefuls are making this mistake this time around. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: catspaw49 Date: 24 Nov 11 - 05:14 PM My MSNBC is off the news stuff today so I went for my weekly sampling from Fox and found the same thing as Ebbie. These somewhat normal looking and seemingly nice middle class folks were being led through a discussion by Republican/Fox pollster Frank Kuntz. I think the women were even more terrifying then the men. When it was over I ordered a supply of weapons and ammunition along with supplies. These fuckers are absolutely nuts! If they come for me I want to be prepared!!!! Completely appalling in the extreme........ Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: Jack the Sailor Date: 24 Nov 11 - 05:47 PM Somewhat normal looking and seemingly nice middle class folks who would agree to appear on Fox. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: Greg F. Date: 24 Nov 11 - 06:13 PM Remembe: these candidates & voters are the best and brightest- the flower and crown of creation of the Republican Party. Reminds me of one of my favorite bumper stickers: Portrait of Abe Lincoln with the words: "Its my party, and I'll cry if I want to". Of course, none of the Iowa dolts would understand it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: Ebbie Date: 24 Nov 11 - 06:45 PM I'm glad to know that normal people agree with my assessment with those 'best and brightest'. My spine curdled. A couple of weeks ago a commentator- Republican, I believe- said something that made me smile. Regarding Gingrich's chances of surviving a closer look at his record, the commentator said, cautiously: "I agree that Newt has a target-rich environment." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: Jack the Sailor Date: 24 Nov 11 - 07:38 PM Who would you choose from Gingrich, Cain, Bachman and Perry if none of the above were not an option? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: Greg F. Date: 24 Nov 11 - 09:22 PM "None of the above" is ALWAYS an option. Do you think we might get Stephen Sondheim to allow the 2012 Republican campaign song to be "Send In The Clowns"? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: GUEST,Ebbie Date: 24 Nov 11 - 09:41 PM Which one would I choose if I had to? * Bachman, when she makes sense, is consistent in her views. That said, thinking of her at the state's helm is beyond scary. She is simplistic, rigid, mean (in the US sense) and blinded by her own rhetoric. * Perry - well, I wouldn't wish him on anybody. He is self-righteous and dishonest with himself. * Cain- huh? * Gingrich- he is probably closest to what I think of as being European-acceptable. I think of Europeans as being accepting of personal flaws and failures as long as their leaders deliver. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: Big Al Whittle Date: 24 Nov 11 - 10:23 PM how did Bix Beiderbeck vote? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: Songwronger Date: 02 Jan 12 - 07:14 PM When this thread was started, no one was even considering Ron Paul. Now it looks as if he's the frontrunner. I listened to a bit of Clear Channel today (Limbaugh and that group). They are frothing mad about Ron Paul. Their strategy used to be "Don't mention him and maybe we can freeze him out," but now it's full-fledged attack. They are scared shitless that a Romney/Gingrich won't be allowed to continue the Bush/Obama doctrine of destroying America. This is so damned amusing. Ron Paul is the only anti-war candidate out there, and he'll possibly win tomorrow. But of course, they've announced the vote count will be done at undisclosed locations, for security reasons. I love it. Make criminals act like criminals. I still hope Ron Paul forms a third party and reaches out to someone like Kucinich. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: gnu Date: 02 Jan 12 - 07:28 PM Songwronger... interesting, to say the least. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: Bobert Date: 02 Jan 12 - 08:09 PM Kucinich and Ron Paul 180 degree opposites on everything but war... No way... Paul is a cranky old Lyndon Larouche wack job and Kucinich is a progressive... As for Iowa??? Paul has the best organization but... ...Republicans everywhere just want Obama defeated even if it means national suicide... They don't care... My prediction: Paul, Santorum and Romney B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: saulgoldie Date: 02 Jan 12 - 08:14 PM Amazing! 37 voters from the cornfields will have a major influence on the national election! What if we just ignored them? I mean, like if the news media just reported on REAL stories instead? Would they shut off the valve for our corn? Corn is way over-produced, anyway. F***ing corn syrup is in almost all produced foods, and is a great health issue. I grow bored and hungry for actual news. Not that so much of it is good, anyway. Saul |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: Songwronger Date: 02 Jan 12 - 08:33 PM Oh, this is a real news story. The Democrats and the Republicans are now pretending that the Iowa results aren't that important. That PROVES it's a big story. If Romney were in the lead the media would be saying that the nomination process begins and ends with tomorrow's caucus. Paul has a lot to recommend himself. He's anti-war. He's a medical doctor with 3 decades of experience in congress, voting along constitutional lines. He, like the founding fathers, wants to avoid foreign entanglements. Paul's support is coming largely from disaffected voters in the independent and Democratic parties. He's a phenomenon. A constitutionalist. I hope he kicks the snot out of Romney tomorrow. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: GUEST,999 Date: 02 Jan 12 - 08:41 PM "Amazing! 37 voters from the cornfields will have a major influence on the national election! What if we just ignored them?" What if they held a war and no one came? I have grown to like you very much, Saul. Keep it up. As for those who are still crowing about Obama: Did he or did he not remove the fundamental principle of all law, Habeas Corpus? I await an answer. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: saulgoldie Date: 02 Jan 12 - 08:51 PM What Bobert said some time back. "I agree with 20% of what Ron Paul says, absolutely. The other 80% scares the shit out of me." Or words to that effect. (I think this has been/is being discussed in another thread, yes?) Furthermore, just how much of his, um, "agenda" could he ever really get into law? Really??? Constitutionalist? In what way? Let's remember that the founders did not mean for the Constitution to be rigid for posterity. They engineered into it the process for ammending it. Lucky for us. Since then women and African-Americans have become "people," and 18-year olds got the vote. Among other ammendments that demonstrate progress in thinking and values. (Of course, there was that silly business of prohibiting and then allowing the sale of alcohol. But whatareyougonna do?) But I haven't yet heard a good argument as to why 37 (OK, maybe 43) people should have such influence on a national election for a country of over 300 million. Saul |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: GUEST,999 Date: 02 Jan 12 - 09:17 PM "But I haven't yet heard a good argument as to why 37 (OK, maybe 43) people should have such influence on a national election for a country of over 300 million." Here's why. (Youtube video.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: Bobert Date: 02 Jan 12 - 09:55 PM I agree with wrong-man, 100%... I hope that the Republicans nominate Ron Paul... That will be "The End" of the Republican Party 4-ever... I mean, he's the grand wizard of the KKK... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: Songwronger Date: 02 Jan 12 - 10:21 PM Obama, the Peace Prize Winner, is a mass murderer. He supports the lynching of blacks in Libya. Ron Paul was against the invasion of Libya. As far as the end of the Republican party, it's no longer needed. Obama is enforcing all the austerity that Democrats have feared from the Republicans over the years. Obama's cutting heating programs for the elderly, health care for kids... He promised austerity and he's delivering. Lynching blacks too. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: Bobert Date: 02 Jan 12 - 10:22 PM Delusional post, wronger... Pee in this cup... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: Bobert Date: 02 Jan 12 - 10:35 PM BTW, wronger... I guess that Obama kidnapped the Lindbergh baby and killed JFK, too... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: GUEST,999 Date: 02 Jan 12 - 11:21 PM Well, if he did he won't be called to account for it. He wiped out the need for Habeas Corpus. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: Little Hawk Date: 02 Jan 12 - 11:38 PM I've seldom seen a more loyal and obedient servant of the ruling Oligarchy of Special Interests than Mr Obama...and he talks so brilliantly while he does it! He talks way better than former willing and obedient servant George Bush ever did. He sounds soooo bright and reasonable! I predict he will win another term handily and that the Republican candidate this time will just be a sacrificial lamb such as is trotted out to maintain the illusion of having a real democratic choice in an election...sort of like Mike Dukakis was back in the 80s. Remember him? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: Richard Bridge Date: 03 Jan 12 - 08:09 AM Well, LH, that would at least be less disastrous for the world including the USA than any Republican (and particularly than the current crop of Republican wannabee leaders). In the meantime, I suggest a traditional song for them. ALl to gether now. "To see mad Tom of Bedlam..." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: Bill D Date: 03 Jan 12 - 10:30 AM As to the question of who I'd pick if there were no "none of the above" choice. Gingrich.... Bachmann, Perry and Cain would stumble along in ignorance, doing great damage for several years. Gingrich at least knows how it all works, and like Nixon, would keep the wheels on the rails...but like Nixon, he'd eventually do something totally illegal, and we could impeach him.... (Ron Paul would ensconce Rand in some high office, and together, they'd totally dismantle the working parts OF government.Then China would call in it's loans and take over.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp Date: 03 Jan 12 - 11:52 AM You really think ANY of them Republican bozos are gonna get elected this time? I don't. The APP is gonna make monkeys out of all of 'em (strictly metaphorically speakin', you understand...). They ain't got a chance. The only real impediment to gettin' the APP to win the next election is Obama. I know for a fact that he is thinkin' about makin' it illegal for apes and monkeys to vote, to form public gatherings, and to marry! He is a closet specist of the worst kind! Don't be fooled by the nice face and the gentlemanly manner. This guy does not like apes or monkeys one bit. If he could, he'd make us all go back to Africa or lock us all up in zoos and experimental labs and drain us of our vital fluids. - Chongo |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: Ebbie Date: 03 Jan 12 - 12:49 PM My prediction: 1) Santorum (Rupert Murdoch has endorsed him, so how can he fail?) 2) Paul 3) Romney (Actually I expect that Romney will be second- but his being third would be an interesting twist. As they say, this is all very entertaining.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: Don Firth Date: 03 Jan 12 - 01:13 PM I've got to agree with Bill D. The only one of this lot who isn't a complete incompetent is Gingrich. At least, when he pilots the Ship of State onto the reef, he knows what he's doing, contrary to the others. If ANY of these ginks win, I may just move to a civilized country, say, one of the Scandinavian countries. I have distant relatives in Sweden....... Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: Greg F. Date: 03 Jan 12 - 01:25 PM Gingrich is the star and hero of a movie the script for which he wrote himself. He has a pretty tenuous grip on reality, and is just as dangerous as the other clowns -if not more so, as he's a tad less completely incompetent - he just specializes in different areas of delusion. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: Don Firth Date: 03 Jan 12 - 01:45 PM I've got to agree with Greg, too. (Gotta check into getting a passport.) Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: Little Hawk Date: 03 Jan 12 - 01:46 PM Canada's too close for safety, eh, Don? ;-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: gnu Date: 03 Jan 12 - 03:38 PM Canada? We got a leader that you TRUST? Stevie 1? Heck, I didn't even trust Jean toward the end. Last guy I aboslutely trusted was Pierre. Give me a Pierre every time... this country could use some common sense and some balls. He had that and more. Yes, I know Saint Tommy, and others... I said "last" guy I trusted. And, now, back to our regularly scheduled program. You Yanks seem screwed no matter what. And, Trickle Down theory means it will trickle down to us and I don't mean just Canuckistan. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: Don Firth Date: 03 Jan 12 - 03:44 PM Maybe. I've been to Vancouver eleventy-fourteen times, Victoria a couple of times. My son and his significant other live in Ottawa, but they're moving to Victoria sometime soon. Spent some time in eastern Canada. I had a sister who lived in Kingston, Ontario. My nephew, lead guitarist with the Tragically Hip (Bobby Baker, the tall guy with the long hair). But if the U. S. of A. implodes, I think I'd prefer to be somewhere on the other side of the planet....... Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: gnu Date: 03 Jan 12 - 04:09 PM Don... "My nephew, lead guitarist with the Tragically Hip..." He is fantastic! I LOOOVE The Hip. I once describe them to a Brit buddy of mine as U2 on steroids. Now, this isn't the best version of New Orleans but it's "raw", improvised, and I love it. Warning... some lyrics in this version are graphic. My FAV Hip. BTW... they did this tune long before Katrina. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: Little Hawk Date: 03 Jan 12 - 05:47 PM Yeah, I know what you mean about the USA imploding, Don. One feels pretty uneasy about that when living in Canada. It's like being next door to some gigantic predatory animal, and hoping it doesn't get too hungry. I might opt for Norway or Sweden too, in that case. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: Songwronger Date: 03 Jan 12 - 08:16 PM Could this night be the beginning of a Ron Paul America? An hour to poll closing. Of course they've already announced that the tallies will be done in undisclosed locations, for "security" reasons, and the tabulating company is foreign-owned, so expect a "Romney miracle." But in a Ron Paul world, five cabinet-level positions would be eliminated (including the cancerous Dept of Education). Foreign aid would be slashed, leaving ticks like Israel to fend for themselves. Foreign military missions around the world would draw down, and the troops brought home could defend our borders. Sounds pretty sensible and moderate to me. Amazing that the Dems and Reps work together to try to make such a plan sound "right wing" and radical. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: gnu Date: 03 Jan 12 - 08:26 PM "...the tabulating company is foreign-owned..." WTF? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: Don Firth Date: 03 Jan 12 - 08:27 PM Even the Mephistopheles can come up with things that appear quite attractive, if he can get you to go along with his ultimate aims. Ask Faust. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: Don Firth Date: 03 Jan 12 - 08:33 PM (Scratch "the" before Mephestopheles) -- DF |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: Songwronger Date: 03 Jan 12 - 08:49 PM Yahoo search. Take your pick of sources: Iowa vote count israeli |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: GUEST,999 Date: 03 Jan 12 - 09:38 PM Our nearest and dearest will fu#k us over the minute it becomes necessary for their comfort. To quote Kissinger, "Countries don't have friends, they have interests." The very fact that Iowa residents--all forty of them--can be talked onto a show of that nature simply indicates that the Republicans are near the bottom of the barrel. That is not a reflection of or about people from Iowa--the state Radar O'Reilly was from--but rather a brief snapshot of how low Republicans will go to project the image. They have shown themselves to be panderers, simpletons and sluts. They have no loyalty to their own country. What they have is an alliance with those who've bought them. Protect your own interests and the rest will take care of itself. IMO, the problem America faces in the coming election is not who the Republicans front; rather, it will be who the Democrats put out there. IF it is Obama, your Republic will be lost. He has not got the balls to be your leader. Presidents do have a certain authority. One of those perks is that they are Commander-in-Chiefs of some bad-ass dudes. Namely Marines, Army, Navy, Air Force, Public Health Service Commissioned Corp, Coast Guard and National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration Commissioned Corps. Within the various branches are Special Forces troops with whom one does not want to mess. That stated, I fail to see why Obama did not exercise the power he has on behalf of Americans. He said he'd close Guantanamo. So, what's the problem? Yer the President. You say it's closed, it is goddammit closed. Anyone got a problem with that, take it up with these men and women who will cut you a new a$$hole if you disagree and say no! These people here, known as the military-might of the biggest and most powerful country this world has ever known, will kick you sh#tless. Wha--some Homeland Security person has decided that you can't do that. Oh, really? Some bought-off sonuvabitch in congress is going to make your life miserable. Oh, really? Some CIA executive has decided your legal wishes don't meet with his approval. Oh, really? YOU got elected and thereupon entrusted with the future of your country. Do your job. The Secret Service will cover your ass and ensure you wake up tomorrow. Your job is to ensure the rest of your citizens wake up tomorrow. DO YOUR JOB! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: Don Firth Date: 03 Jan 12 - 10:18 PM Where's Harry Truman when you need him!?? Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: GUEST,999 Date: 03 Jan 12 - 10:55 PM Hi, Don. A story I read about Harry is as follows. His wife played piano. She also sang. (Kendall Morse may have to correct me on this.) After a recital, a newspaper writer gave her a very bad write-up that ranked with 'Last night the XXXXXX Symphony Orchestra played Beethoven. Beethoven Lost' kinda review. Harry was quoted as saying, "If that sonuvabitch ever comes here again I'll punch him in the nose." He may have been the last President to actually mean 'The Buck Stops Here.' ############################################ I was reading some of your older posts--I do that from time to time because I think you are both a good/fine/meaningful writer and a dynamite thinker--and wondering what kind of guitar you play. I would be 'chuffed' if you'd tell me your ten favourite songs. I figure you're as old as dirt, and because I'm only 64, I guess I have time to maybe learn the songs. Bruce |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: Ebbie Date: 03 Jan 12 - 11:18 PM Bruce, you're close. It was actually Truman's daughter Margaret, not his wife, who sang. It was Truman himself who played piano. I don't remember that Bess did. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: GUEST,gillymor Date: 03 Jan 12 - 11:21 PM Bruce, I believe that was HST's daughter Margaret perfoming a singing recital and the critic was Paul Hume, if memory serves. You got the most important "...punch him in the nose part." right, though. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: GUEST,999 Date: 03 Jan 12 - 11:36 PM I thank you both, very much. I'd remembered it as some sort of great story, but I've hit an age . . . |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: Tunesmith Date: 04 Jan 12 - 07:59 AM I just watched part of a Romney speech on BBC tv here in the UK. America - and the rest of the world - will be in big trouble if that nutter gets elected! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: GUEST,kendall Date: 04 Jan 12 - 08:16 AM Any facts to support your opinion? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: Bobert Date: 04 Jan 12 - 08:42 AM Brucie is entirely correct... These people are doing nothing but parroting whatever BS their donors want them to parrot... But the scariest part about this is that with the "Citizens United" mis-decision by the activist Robert's Court those donors don't even have to be Americans... That's right... There is nothing in the Robert's Court ruling that prevents China, Russia, Iranian, Pakistani or even al qeada $$$ from becoming partial or entire owners of our representatives... Think about that... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: Charley Noble Date: 04 Jan 12 - 09:11 AM Ending up with a virtual three-way tie in the Iowa caucus primary should do wonders for Republicans trying to sort out a favorite candidate. Well, it does get rid of the rest of the pack, for better or worse. I guess some scum doesn't rise to the top. Still, I'm sorry that Gingrich's surge didn't last for more than a week and I thought Perry was a wonderful disaster. On to New Hampshire, holding my breath by holding my nose! Cheerily, Charley Noble |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: Cats Date: 04 Jan 12 - 09:55 AM I was awake at 5am this morning [GMT] and had the news on and saw Santorum making his speech when the votes were tied. I have to say I found him a deeply disturbing man. It was when he said God had chosen him to run and 'If it's good enough for Reagan, it's good enough for me'. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: Charley Noble Date: 04 Jan 12 - 11:06 AM Santorum doesn't miss a beat, except when he lost his U.S. Senate seat in Pennsylvania. I give him credit for making the best of his moment of glory. Hallelujah! Cheerily, Charley Noble |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: Bill D Date: 04 Jan 12 - 11:50 AM It's a conspiracy!, just ask Alex Jones, who runs a radio talk show in Austin, Texas. Did you ever notice a certain correlation between poor spelling and poor reasoning and religious defense of crazy theories? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: gnu Date: 04 Jan 12 - 02:01 PM Bill D... link takes me to some kinda yes/no box that I can't "no" to... link no work. I see Boeing is closing down their plant in Witchita. I wonder when we'll have to start moving to Mexico. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 04 Jan 12 - 02:26 PM Another great non-event is over, and more to come. 1.5 million Iowans voted in the last election, 54% for Obama. Only 100,000 cast ballots in the caucus, a gathering of local politicians and individuals who think that they are contributing in some way to democracy. A caucus essentially is a club, ignored by the majority of voters. Both the so-called winners were disturbing; Santorum playing the 'God card' (he is anti-gay, anti-medically-desirable abortions, pro-Christian-only society). Romney beat the drums for a stronger military and damn near called for measures which would force Iran into a dangerous response. Paul is more mentally balanced, but his age (76) worries me, I doubt that he would be a strong leader. Some of his policies reek of old-time laissez-faire. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: Bill D Date: 04 Jan 12 - 02:35 PM Link works for me... Google "GOP ESTABLISHMENT ARE DIRTY VERMIN" I lived in Wichita, and used to go to Boeing to get aluminum salvage for a company I worked for. Boeing was a major player there until about 1970. Sad to see.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: Little Hawk Date: 04 Jan 12 - 05:52 PM I doubt that there's any other country in the world that spends almost an entire YEAR fighting a national election campaign! Only in the USA. What a stupendous waste of time, money, and attention it is. Un-fucking-believable. It screws up one out of a president's every four years in office! Not what I call a good idea to do that. But it happens every four years, right on schedule. Canadian multi-party election campaigns take 6 weeks. By law. And that's the whole danged campaign with ALL its permutations. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: Bill D Date: 04 Jan 12 - 06:13 PM There's something I can agree with you totally, Little Hawk....except it isn't just a year. The posturing and planning start immediately after a presidential election and hit a high gear 2 years before the election. It is an embarrassing shame...and more so now that Citizens United allows huge anonymous contributions.....and with 3-4, depending on how you count... Supreme Court justices in the pockets of the corporate donors, we have little hope of altering the system anytime soon. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: Little Hawk Date: 04 Jan 12 - 06:26 PM Quite so, Bill. Yeah, I was thinking of the midterm farce in Congress too...but didn't bother to mention it. What you've basically got now is a virtually endless election campaign process in the USA. The only real hiatus from it is the brief "honeymoon" that a president generally experiences for a short time after being elected...like maybe 3 months if he's lucky. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: pdq Date: 04 Jan 12 - 08:09 PM Mitt Romney has the support of a diverse group of people and is going to be the nominee this year. Now that the Iowa nonsense is over, he is in New Hampshire where his message fits the tastes of the Northeast voters much better than it did in Iowa. He has alredy been endorsed by John McCain, a fellow Republican "moderate". Now we all have to decide if we want a pro-jobs/pro-business candidate or stay with what we have now. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: Little Hawk Date: 04 Jan 12 - 11:46 PM You already have a pro-big bankers, pro-pharmaceutical industry, pro-Wall Street, pro-war, and pro-corporate president in office who is willing to dismantle habeus corpus and imprison you indefinitely with no charges and no legal representation. For Christ's sake, isn't that enough to make a Republican (or a "conservative") happy????!!! ;-D |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: Little Hawk Date: 04 Jan 12 - 11:56 PM As for John McCain, I would describe him as being about as "moderate" (in real world terms, not Republican terms) as Hermann Goering...a man who was once just a reasonably competent young fighter pilot, until he got the bright idea of working his way up in the ranks of a fascist political party. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: kendall Date: 05 Jan 12 - 12:44 AM Suspending Habeus Corpus scares me. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: Richard Bridge Date: 05 Jan 12 - 06:18 AM Agree with LH. Still, the more the Republican candidacy programme reveals just what nutters the Republican candidates are the better Obama's chances. I'd prefer Kucinich but Obama is less bad than any Republican - and with a second term he may be less in thrall to the corporatocracy. The underlying sicknesses in the US political system are two fold - first the way that anonymous money can buy influence. Stopping this starts with undoing "Citizens United" at least to the extent of re-establishing that donor identity is always transparent, then the limitation of electioneering expenditure (preferably a centrally funded equal-handed system) and then the removal of corrupt lobbying. We have had that badly in the UK but my impression is that the US is far worse. The second is the US filibuster which enables a minority to block legislative business and has been cynically used for that purpose in this administration. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: Greg F. Date: 05 Jan 12 - 09:34 AM {Romney] is in New Hampshire where his message fits the tastes of the Northeast voters... WHICH message, PD? The one he publicized when he was governor? The one he has now that is the reverse of the message he had then? Or the sevaral dozen messages different from both he's put out in the interim? The man's done so many about-faces and changed so many times he doesn't know WHAT he thinks any longer - nor do any of the voters. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: Richard Bridge Date: 05 Jan 12 - 09:40 AM Fools stick unreservedly to old positions in the face of new evidence or argument, so the general charge of "flip-flopping" is usually unintelligent. Romney however seems to be a wannabee vicar of Bray. But not as insane and maybe not as toxic as the rest of the Republican pack. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: Bettynh Date: 05 Jan 12 - 10:22 AM Actually, there is an attractive moderate Republican out there. Jon Huntsman has been campaigning hard here in NH. If he doesn't show a huge jump in the ratings after our primary, it'll show the real strength of the religous right in the party. He's intelligent, consistent, and persuasive, but believes in the value of science and is willing to work with "the other side." Dropped out of school for a rock and roll band, got his GED, went to Penn. state. Just an all-American boy. He's a Mormon, and his family runs one of the largest chemical companies in the world. If he gains traction, he'd be a huge threat to Obama. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: Greg F. Date: 05 Jan 12 - 10:48 AM But[Romney's]not as insane and maybe not as toxic as the rest of the Republican pack. Perhaps not, but he's damned close. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: dick greenhaus Date: 05 Jan 12 - 11:13 AM Ropmney an his supporters seem to have spent many millions of dollars to get less than 30,000 votes. Wouldn't the old Chicago approach of giving the money to the voters have been more cost-effective? Is the Citizens United decision simply a form of right-wing economic stimulus money? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: KB in Iowa Date: 05 Jan 12 - 12:15 PM Wouldn't the old Chicago approach of giving the money to the voters have been more cost-effective? I like that idea. I'm not a Republican but what the hey, If the price was right I could have gone to a rally or two. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: akenaton Date: 05 Jan 12 - 02:33 PM Dr Paul has everything in his favour to make an excellent president....except....both power parties hate his guts. Why? because he tells the truth....a cardinal sin. Look how much the Dems here hate him......much more than any other candidate.......the guy must be doing something right! Songwronger is 100% correct.....its time to leave failed policies and parties behind. You call yourselves "progressives", Songwronger is the real progressive |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: Little Hawk Date: 05 Jan 12 - 02:42 PM Agreed, Ake. The only American politicians I know of who are consistently telling the truth are Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich, and the 2 big parties hate both of them with a vengeance. As for the others, they're just doing the usual corporate song and dance and orchestrating the great "Divide and Conquer" scenario yet again. To vote for any of them is to rubber stamp the existing powers that be...the corporate Oligarchy. I think the corporates are quite happy with Mr Obama's "performance" so far. That's exactly what it is: a performance. He's done what they wanted. And that is why I think he'll win the next election. Romney will make a good sacrifice to maintain the illusion that those 2 parties can offer any sort of real democratic choice to the hapless public that goes out and votes for them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: Don Firth Date: 05 Jan 12 - 05:04 PM If folks will indulge us for a moment. In reference to GUEST,999's post at 03 Jan 12 - 10:55 p.m. Thanks for the kind words, Bruce. Sorry I wasn't able to get back to you right away, but yesterday was a really busy one. #### Yup. Older than dirt. I was eighty my last birthday, and that was over seven months ago! What kind of guitar do I play? Well, I've been through several guitars since I bought my first one, a Regal, for $9.95, back in 1952. When I started taking classic guitar lessons in 1954, I got a Martin classic (00-28-G), and I've had several guitars since then, including a top quality flamenco guitar made by Arcangel Fernandez of Madrid. It's appreciated so much in value since I got it in 1961 that I'm afraid to take it out of the house! My current arsenal consists of the Fernandez, and a Japanese-made classic imported by José Oribé and approved by him to be sold under his label. Following the practice of some Japanese guitar makers, it's a dead-ringer for a José Ramirez, the guitar that Segovia played. A few years ago, I did a folk song recital for the Seattle Classic Guitar Society, using it. There is a lot of high-priced lumber at those meetings, including a few genuine Ramirez classics, and my Japanese look-alike sounded good enough that everyone assumed that it WAS a Ramirez. I got it in the mid-1970s for $350. I've been in a wheelchair for the past twenty-odd years, and playing a full-size classic when I'm sitting in the chair is awkward because the lower bout of the guitar and the right wheel of the chair want to occupy the same space. So after doing a heap of research, I got myself a nylon-string "Go-guitar," a travel guitar made by Sam Radding in San Diego. Legend has it the Sam taught a teen-aged Bob Taylor (yes, that Bob Taylor) how to make guitars when he wanted to make his own guitar in high school wood shop class. The Go-guitar looks like the love-child of an unnatural relationship between a guitar and a canoe paddle, but it's very well made and it sounds amazingly full for such a little soundbox. I've used it for a number of performances, and occasionally someone will ask me if it's a "period instrument" of some kind. Just in case you're interested in something like this, here's Sam's web site: Go-guitars. Mine is a GO-GW model, on the "Our Products" page. My ten favorite songs. Wow! I don't know if I could pick particular favorites. I guess I know a few hundred songs, and each one was my "favorite" when I was learning it, but I like them all. Early on, I learned a bunch of the "standard" songs and ballads that were recorded by singers like Burl Ives, Susan Reed, and Richard Dyer-Bennet, such as "Barbara Allen," "Lord Randal," "Greensleeves" (I keep it down to three verses), "The Streets of Laredo," the songs that every "folk singer" was expected to know. Some current favorites, among many, are songs such as "Geordie," "The Unquiet Grave," "MacPherson's Farewell," "The Bonnie Earl of Moray," "So We'll Go No More a-Roving" (a poem by Lord Byron set to music by Richard Dyer-Bennet), "Golden Hair" (a poem by James Joyce that a friend of mine set to a really nice, simple melody), "Gilgarry Mountain" (version learned from an old record by Frank Warner, but which has morphed a bit over time), "Copper Kettle" by Ed Beddoe (which I thought was traditional when I first learned it), which I coupled with a particularly mournful version of "Moonshiner," sung by Rolf Cahn. I sing "Copper Kettle," then go directly into "Moonshiner" without pause. Really hard to pick ten favorites. With the list above, I leave out such great songs as "High Barbaree," "The Golden Vanity," "Come All You Fair and Tender Ladies," "Red is the Rose" (just learned, from the singing of Liam Clancy and Tommy Makem). . . . Pretty tough to pick out ten favorites from songs I've been singing for decades and others I'm just in the process of learning. Regards, Don Firth Now, back to our regular program of hackin' and hewin'. Ron Paul!?? "Who is John Galt?" —First line of Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: Don Firth Date: 05 Jan 12 - 07:48 PM Sorry. The link in my above post comes right back to Mudcat instead of taking you to the Go-guitar web site. Here's a link to Go-guitars. Don Firth Dennis Kucinich, yeah. But Ron Paul!??. And some of those who seem to think that Ron Paul is the bee's knees are the same people who say that they hate, loathe, and despise Ayn Rand. Methinks there is a disconnect here somewhere. These folks are not taking the effort to think things through! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: Bobert Date: 05 Jan 12 - 08:31 PM "Thinking", Don, is on its way to becoming yet another endangered species... Huxley was on the money and we now have an large percentage of Epsilons in our society... The problem with Epsilons, other than it should be a crime to dumb people down, is that these people are asked to cast votes... Tom Jefferson would be shocked!!! B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: GUEST,999 Date: 05 Jan 12 - 08:57 PM Don, Thank you so much for taking the time to post that. I am indebted to you. I went to the Go webpage you linked (second one) and it sure looks like it sounds good. Again, thank you. BM |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: GUEST,999 Date: 05 Jan 12 - 10:35 PM As long as everyone feels safe in America . . . |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: Bobert Date: 05 Jan 12 - 10:41 PM Hilarious, brucie... Leesburg is the county seat of Loudoun County, Va, which, BTW, is the richest county in the nation... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: Songwronger Date: 06 Jan 12 - 12:13 AM It's kind of reassuring to see that we still have the best democracy that the Israeli defense ministry can buy, with our own tax dollars. It's got to be "Anyone But Obama" this time around, so I hope Ron Paul goes the third party route if he's denied the nomination. He's the only anti-war candidate. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: Don Firth Date: 06 Jan 12 - 01:53 AM Ron Paul is "the only anti-war candidate?" Haven't been paying attention to what Obama's been doing the past few weeks, have you? Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: Don Firth Date: 06 Jan 12 - 02:19 AM Also, when you vote for a particular candidate, you can't cherry-pick their policies. You have to take the whole package. Something that people forget a lot! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: Jack the Sailor Date: 06 Jan 12 - 03:09 AM Don, It seems to me that pretty much every much everyone on the Mudcat but Amos and me cherry picked Obama's policies. I think we may be the only ones who maybe expected more of him other than what he said, specifically that he would do. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: GUEST,999 Date: 06 Jan 12 - 10:28 AM Complaining about the suspension of habeas corpus isn't cherry picking. Don't you find that the slightest bit disturbing? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: Little Hawk Date: 06 Jan 12 - 12:54 PM The presidential candidate I believed in in 2008 was Dennis Kucinich. (And I was also well impressed by Ron Paul's take on foreign policy, but not necessarily his views on some other things.) At any rate, Kucinich was the only one I had full confidence in, and could consider supporting. The party machine and the mass media decided to shut him out of the later televised debates on a ridiculous technicality which was just an excuse. After that, he was basically under the radar for most American voters, so that was the end of that. He made the other Democratic candidates (including Obama) look like evasive hypocrites, which is exactly what I think they are. Given the fact that it then came down to a choice between Obama and McCain, I would have supported Obama...as I had some hopes that he might really change things and be a progressive president. I had no such hopes regarding McCain. Obama's performance in the election was impressive, he got far more funding than anyone else (interesting....), the economic meltdown was very helpful to him, and he got handily elected. There was much in Obama's campaign rhetoric that worried me...specially his committment to the war in Afghanistan. The vagueness of his rhetoric also worried me. It felt good...but what did it really mean? Now, after 3 years of Mr Obama, I am very disappointed in him and I think he has turned out to be pretty much like a third term of George Bush might have been....albeit he can talk way better than Bush could. The Republicans have little or nothing to offer as an alternative. I expect we are going to get 4 more years of Mr Obama after November 2012. 4 more years of disastrous and costly warfare in the Third World. 4 more years of reduction of civil liberties at home and abroad. 4 more years of corrupt pandering to the corporate Oligarchy. And I still believe in Dennis Kucinich. But he'll never be elected president. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: Ebbie Date: 06 Jan 12 - 02:27 PM People who think that Ron Paul is the answer are paying little attention. Bettynh, I've been saying for some time that if I were Republican it is Jon Huntsman I'd vote for. He has a few views I don't agree with but the man has good credentials and is sane, rare commodities in this election cycle. Not only that but I think his nomination would pose a real threat to President Obama. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: Richard Bridge Date: 06 Jan 12 - 06:40 PM Is Huntsman the next religious right wing nut-case, the one who's been walking round the next state to choose, with no money but "core values" - and also a Mormon? Or is that someone else? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: Donuel Date: 06 Jan 12 - 08:03 PM Ebbie, Iowans voted 4 out of the last five elections for the Democratic candidate. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: GUEST,mg Date: 07 Jan 12 - 06:32 PM People from the cornfields? Is that supposed to be an insult? Something tells me it is. How about people from the lumber woods? People from the fishing camps? People from the mining towns? People from the skid rows? People from the dying factories? People from the nursing homes? Who lets them vote anyway? mg |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: Bettynh Date: 08 Jan 12 - 01:56 PM I don't know who you're describing, Richard, but I haven't heard much about religion from Huntsman. He's spending money here, with ads directed against Romney's flip-flops.. His daughters have a couple web campaign ads that are at least fun to watch and stress his integrity. Another outsider is Buddy Roemer, who has rented an appartment in Manchester and has become the classic NH boots-on-the-ground candidate. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: Bettynh Date: 08 Jan 12 - 02:04 PM Actually, you may be thinking about Roemer, but his main message is about campaign funding - he's limiting ALL contributions to $100 each. So he has no money, and not a big chance. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iowa People and the Election From: akenaton Date: 08 Jan 12 - 04:33 PM Humpty Dumpty,"would pose a real threat to President Obama." |
