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Subject: Folklore: Numbers Chorus a la 'Dublin City' From: SeaCanary Date: 03 Feb 08 - 01:15 PM Can any of you please suggest songs from the British isles or with a celtic connection i.e., Breton, Galician, etc. whose chorus is all or mostly numbers? I can think of exactly 2; the aforementioned "Dublin City" and Jake Thackray's "Old Molly Metcalf". |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: Numbers Chorus a la 'Dublin City' From: Bonnie Shaljean Date: 03 Feb 08 - 01:21 PM I'm probably being dim and the answer will come to me the exact moment I post this, but: Which Dublin City are you referring to? The only ones I can think of (Molly Malone, Spanish Lady, Rare Auld Times) don't really feature numbers - |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: Numbers Chorus a la 'Dublin City' From: GUEST,Nerd Date: 03 Feb 08 - 01:29 PM SeaCanary is thinking of "Wheel of Fortune," sometimes known as "Dublin City." The chorus goes: 19, 17, 15, 13, 11, 9, 7, and 5, 3, 1 20, 18, 16, 14, 12, 10, 8, 6, 4, 2, none Round and Round goes the wheel of fortune, etc. The "Wheel of Fortune" chorus floats a bit, so that not all versions of "Dublin City" have the chorus, and not all songs that have the chorus are versions of "Dublin City." |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: Numbers Chorus a la 'Dublin City' From: GUEST,Nerd Date: 03 Feb 08 - 01:40 PM I'm thinking of "Come and I will Sing You," which is a Christmas Carol, a cumulative song, and also a counting song. Its final verse (in one version) ends: Twelve, twelve Apostles, Eleven is the eleven that went straight to heaven, Ten the Ten Commandments, Nine the bright eyed shiners, Eight Gabriel angels, Seven, seven stars under the sky, Six, the six pallbearers, Five ferrymen under the bush, Four Gospel preachers, Three of them were drivers, Two of them were lily white babes, clothed all in green-o, One the one that's all alone and ever more shall be so! Also, Eliza Carthy's Acres of Ground from the Imagined Village CD has something in common with the above. Does this meet your needs, or does it really have to be almost all numbers? Let us know, as there are lots of songs like the above that Mudcat members will know. |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: Numbers Chorus a la 'Dublin City' From: Bonnie Shaljean Date: 03 Feb 08 - 01:45 PM The Dilly Song, the only bits of which I can remember (this is probably a fragment rather than a complete verse, though it fits the melody in my mind) are: What will I sing you I'll sing you one - o One is one and all alone And ever more shall be so It then carries on "I'll sing you two-o", etc. It may even be in the DT, haven't looked. |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: Numbers Chorus a la 'Dublin City' From: GUEST,Nerd Date: 03 Feb 08 - 01:46 PM That's another version of the one I just posted, Bonnie. Great minds think alike, I guess! |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: Numbers Chorus a la 'Dublin City' From: Melissa Date: 03 Feb 08 - 01:52 PM if Dilly Song/Come and I will sing you doesn't turn up in the DT, try 'Green Grow the Rushes' |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: Numbers Chorus a la 'Dublin City' From: Bonnie Shaljean Date: 03 Feb 08 - 01:53 PM Yep! Just Googled this, which came up under Green Grow The Rushes. Clearly the same song, though the melody I know for it is different. Sabine Baring-Gould has some nagging association in my mind with The Dilly Song (a title I got from SOMEwhere) but I can't grasp what - if anything - it is. Anyway: I'll sing you one, O Green grow the rushes, O What is your one, O? One is one and all alone And evermore shall be so. I'll sing you two, O Green grow the rushes, O What are your two, O? Two, two, lily-white boys, Clothed all in green, O One is one and all alone And evermore shall be so. I'll sing you three, O Green grow the rushes, O What are your three, O? Three, three, the rivals, Two, two, lily-white boys, Clothed all in green, O One is one and all alone And evermore shall be so. |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: Numbers Chorus a la 'Dublin City' From: Bonnie Shaljean Date: 03 Feb 08 - 01:55 PM Aaauggghh cross-posting again!!! Melissa we have to stop meeting like this :-) My "yep" was for Nerd's and my brilliant minds thinking alike - guess that makes three of us... |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: Numbers Chorus a la 'Dublin City' From: Melissa Date: 03 Feb 08 - 02:07 PM You and Nerd were way ahead of me..the only number songs I could think of were from Sesame Street--namely "Ladybug Picnic" |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: Numbers Chorus a la 'Dublin City' From: GUEST,Nerd Date: 03 Feb 08 - 02:17 PM Melissa, I thought of that too! I think we were to some extent on the right track. As a single item, "Ladybug's Picnic" is not what SeaCanary is looking for, but as a GENRE, that's exactly where he or she may find a lot of relevant songs. There are traditional children's counting songs most everywhere...but I'm away from my library at the moment and can't think of British or Celtic ones offhand. I can think of a rowing shanty from Brittany that goes Hourra, les filles a dix deniers Hourra, les filles a dix deniers a dix deniers, les filles en sont tirons, mes garcons, sur les avirons, Hourra, les filles a neuf deniers, etc. and then counts down from ten to one. But I don't know if it's useful, because the chorus isn't mostly numbers, per se. I'm waiting for SeaCanary to respond with some clarification as to what is being sought. |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: Numbers Chorus a la 'Dublin City' From: Melissa Date: 03 Feb 08 - 02:30 PM GREAT TOM IS CAST (round) Great Tom is cast And Christ Church bells ring 1,2,3,4,5,6 And Tom is last |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: Numbers Chorus a la 'Dublin City' From: SeaCanary Date: 03 Feb 08 - 02:43 PM Stepped away for a second... "Come and I will Sing You," and the Dilly song are both cumulative songs as I suspect is the song from Brittany ("Hourra, les filles a dix deniers") What I have in mind is more along the lines of Wheel of Fortune a.k.a. Dublin City: 19, 17, 15, 13, 11, 9, 7, and 5, 3, 1 20, 18, 16, 14, 12, 10, 8, 6, 4, 2, none And Old Molly Metcalf "Yon, chon, tether, mether, pip she counted." ... "Yon, chon, tether, mether, pip she said." (Yon = 1, Chon = 2, Tether = 3, ... yonna-boom = 16, chonna-boom = 17, tether-boom = 18, mether-boom = 19, jiggit = 20) |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: Numbers Chorus a la 'Dublin City' From: Bonnie Shaljean Date: 03 Feb 08 - 02:47 PM Is it for kids, or a themed-performance for adult audiences, or what? And you want only British/Celtic (yes I KNOW there's overlap everybody please don't go there) material? Can it be modern and is copyright an issue? |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: Numbers Chorus a la 'Dublin City' From: GUEST,Nerd Date: 03 Feb 08 - 02:49 PM The song from Brittany is not technically a cumulative song, just a counting song. But thanks for the clarification. If I think of anything more I'll chime in... |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: Numbers Chorus a la 'Dublin City' From: Melissa Date: 03 Feb 08 - 02:57 PM SeaCanary, You want songs with a chorus full of numbers..and you prefer the numbers to not be in chronological order? (guessing "mether" is 9) |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: Numbers Chorus a la 'Dublin City' From: SeaCanary Date: 03 Feb 08 - 04:19 PM Bonnie Shaljean -- Good questions!! I'm sorry and a little chagrined I didn't think to answer at least some of them at the beginning. "... kids, or a themed-performance for adult audiences ..." It's a mixed audience, but I have a lot of leeway as far as R or even X-rated material is concerned. "... only British/Celtic ..." It's for a Celtic festival. "... modern and is copyright an issue?" Modern will work and copyright is not an issue. GUEST,Nerd -- Hmmmm. Could I have a little more info like title, where can I get the music for/hear it, are the words on-line somewhere? Melissa -- Good deductive work (see apology, above). "...a chorus full of numbers.." Yup. "... prefer the numbers to not be in chronological order?" They can be in order or not. "... guessing "mether" is 9." A WORTHY effort! You get an A-. Yon = 1, Chon = 2, Tether = 3, mether = 4 pip = 5 aayza = 6 sayza = 7 aahka = 8 konta = 9 dick = 10 yonna-dick = 11 chonna-dick = 12 tether-dick = 13 mether-dick = 14 boomfit = 15 ... yonna-boom = 16, chonna-boom = 17, tether-boom = 18, mether-boom = 19, jiggit = 20 The spelling is approximate at best and represents my lame efforts at a phonetic pronunciation. Lyrics for Old Molly Metcalf. |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: Numbers Chorus a la 'Dublin City' From: Melissa Date: 03 Feb 08 - 04:34 PM the "mether-boom" thing threw me..an A- is the best grade I've gotten all day! I put "1,2,3,4" in the searchbox and got four songs from the dt. There might be a few in there IF you're a SearchMaster? I hope you let us know what songs you get on your list when you've found a wealth to choose from! I'm getting a little bit curious. Hard category.. |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: Numbers Chorus a la 'Dublin City' From: GUEST,Nerd Date: 03 Feb 08 - 05:33 PM "Come and I will sing you" is one of the best-known folksongs up in Newfoundland, words available through a google search on the portion I quote above. I quoted from a site that features the version by Great Big Sea. But it's the title song of the best-known mass-market book of NF folksongs, so everyone does a similar version these days. The French one is available as an mp3 here Other counting songs...I'll post some more when I'm back home with my books, later tonight or maybe tomorrow. |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: Numbers Chorus a la 'Dublin City' From: SeaCanary Date: 03 Feb 08 - 06:17 PM I appreciate the offer. "Come and I will sing you" is what I call a cumulative song and definitely fits my criteria. But, I'm trying to avoid the cumulative songs. Thanks for thinking of it and taking the time to weigh in. |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: Numbers Chorus a la 'Dublin City' From: Bonnie Shaljean Date: 03 Feb 08 - 06:41 PM I really don't know if there's anything helpful on this webpage - it's from a teaching-related site and seems to be mainly aimed at kids; but there are a lot of titles and a couple of them may either be of use or spark ideas: http://www.songsforteaching.com/numberscounting.htm |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: Numbers Chorus a la 'Dublin City' From: Snuffy Date: 03 Feb 08 - 07:25 PM Wheel of Fortune or Dublin City |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: Numbers Chorus a la 'Dublin City' From: Nerd Date: 05 Feb 08 - 10:51 PM SeaCanary Try "Bells of Aberdovey" and/or "Glasgow Ships"; they're in the DT. Nice singing with you tonight... |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: Numbers Chorus a la 'Dublin City' From: Anglo Date: 05 Feb 08 - 11:52 PM 1,2,3 4 5, once I caught a fish alive, 6.7.8 9 10, then I let him go again. Why did you let him go? Because he bit my finger so. Which finger did he bite? This little finger on the right. |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: Numbers Chorus a la 'Dublin City' From: Nerd Date: 06 Feb 08 - 01:32 AM There's a song called 1 2 3 4 here Not traditional, but good fun! |
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