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Subject: BS: Political Party Owned by Big Money Now? From: GUEST,Guest Date: 02 Feb 08 - 03:00 PM Total contributions to Democrats in this election outweighed those to Republicans, with $317.3 million vs. $264.7 million as of Dec. 31, according to filings to the FEC. Apparently, not much moola flowed to Kucinich. Biggest money vacuum of the election so far? Obama. You can go to the FEC sight, and see who has him bought. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Political Party Owned by Big Money Now? From: Riginslinger Date: 02 Feb 08 - 03:31 PM GG - Went to the site, couldn't find anything. The search kept timing-out because the list was so long. I must be doing something wrong. Maybe you could give us some clues! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Political Party Owned by Big Money Now? From: Peace Date: 02 Feb 08 - 03:41 PM Candidates (millions of dollars) All Candidates 582.0 Democrats 317.3 Republicans 264.7 Clinton (D) 115.6 Obama (D) 102.2 Romney (R) 88.5 Giuliani (R) 60.9 Edwards (D) 43.9 McCain (R) 41.1 Paul (R) 28.1 Richardson (D) 23.6 Thompson, F (R) 21.6 Dodd (D) 16.5 Biden (D) 11.3 Huckabee (R) 9.0 Tancredo (R) 6.2 Brownback (R) 4.2 Kucinich (D) 3.9 Hunter (R) 2.5 Thompson, T (R) 1.2 Cox (R) 1.1 Gilmore (R) 0.4 Gravel (D) 0.4 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Political Party Owned by Big Money Now? From: GUEST,Guest Date: 02 Feb 08 - 03:46 PM You can try the Center for Responsive Politics, which tracks the money in elections: http://www.opensecrets.org/ What is happening is this. Clinton raises more of her money from a small pool of big donors. Obama from a bigger pool of smaller donors, which is the way Karl Rove did it with "bundling". Pick yer poison. Either way, none of them are finding ways to spend a million buckeroos this weekend on TV advertising with lots of $10 and $25 contributions from Joe and Jill Middle Class, that's fer sure. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Political Party Owned by Big Money Now? From: Bobert Date: 02 Feb 08 - 03:49 PM Well, ahhhhh, yeah... The corporatists would line Alfred E. Newman's pockets if they thought he was perhaps going to be the next president... This is what they do... They do everything in their power to own the rule makers so the rule makers will make rules that benefit the corporatists.... Why do you think McWar has gotten so much money since winning Florida??? Ain't rocket surgery here, folks... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Political Party Owned by Big Money Now? From: GUEST,Guest Date: 02 Feb 08 - 03:56 PM For those who can't be arsed to follow the money, I've cut and pasted from the above website, under Barak Obama Top Contributors: BARACK OBAMA (D) Top Contributors Goldman Sachs $369,078 Lehman Brothers $229,090 National Amusements Inc $220,950 JP Morgan Chase & Co $216,759 Sidley Austin LLP $203,325 Exelon Corp $194,750 Citigroup Inc $180,650 Citadel Investment Group $166,600 Jones Day $158,400 Skadden, Arps et al $150,900 UBS AG $146,150 Time Warner $142,718 Harvard University $141,700 University of California $126,972 Jenner & Block $122,419 Kirkland & Ellis $111,951 UBS Americas $106,680 Morgan Stanley $104,425 WilmerHale $102,360 Credit Suisse Group $92,300 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Political Party Owned by Big Money Now? From: Amos Date: 02 Feb 08 - 03:57 PM I suggest that if the same statistics in getting funding were acheived by someone you approved of, you would have a sudden change of heart and consider it a sign of skillful campaign management, more evidence that you had picked someone competent. Instead, you select out the most negative angles yoou can dream of, and cast the story in that light. How about this angle, as an alternative: for the first time in American history a black politician is getting more financial support than a white one. It's record-breaking all right. Or how about this one: the nation has come to life given an opportunity to shed the Republic legacy that has hampered it for eight years and is funding alternatives never before envisioned at unprecedented levels. Historically unheard of.... Or how about this one: the amazing vitality of two unprecedented candidates -- a woman and a "blacK" man -- is a sure sign that there is a deep well of decency in the american heart that has not yet been corrupted by war-mongers and power-play Republican dealmakers. But I guess none of those perspectives on the same statistics would appeal to your sense of importance, which tends toward the negative and defamatory. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Political Party Owned by Big Money Now? From: Peace Date: 02 Feb 08 - 03:58 PM Guest, guest: would you be kind enough to post Hillary's and McCain's? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Political Party Owned by Big Money Now? From: GUEST,Guest Date: 02 Feb 08 - 04:02 PM HILLARY CLINTON (D) Top Contributors DLA Piper $356,100 Goldman Sachs $350,050 Morgan Stanley $323,550 Citigroup Inc $307,350 EMILY's List $211,642 National Amusements Inc $193,850 JP Morgan Chase & Co $173,350 Kirkland & Ellis $172,000 Skadden, Arps et al $151,460 Greenberg Traurig LLP $150,900 Cablevision Systems $135,113 Merrill Lynch $125,550 Time Warner $124,150 Lehman Brothers $123,450 Bear Stearns $120,580 Patton Boggs $118,400 Ernst & Young $110,650 Blank Rome LLP $105,100 Latham & Watkins $100,950 News Corp $99,350 MITT ROMNEY (R) Top Contributors Goldman Sachs $181,425 Merrill Lynch $147,200 Marriott International $115,000 Bain Capital $112,200 Morgan Stanley $110,050 Bain & Co $103,175 The Villages $96,400 Citigroup Inc $94,150 Compuware Corp $93,800 Huron Consulting Group $91,250 Kirkland & Ellis $89,600 Affiliated Managers Group $77,462 American Financial Group $75,350 PricewaterhouseCoopers $74,200 HIG Capital $71,175 Liberty Mutual Insurance $68,800 JP Morgan Chase & Co $67,450 Credit Suisse Group $66,850 UBS Americas $63,800 Lehman Brothers $60,750 JOHN MCCAIN (R) Top Contributors Blank Rome LLP $141,100 Citigroup Inc $137,050 Greenberg Traurig LLP $124,987 Merrill Lynch $113,575 Goldman Sachs $88,700 Univision Communications $82,000 IDT Corp $77,150 Bank of New York Mellon $74,000 MGM Mirage $70,400 Irvine Co Apartment Community $68,400 Pinnacle West Capital $64,000 JP Morgan Chase & Co $59,850 Credit Suisse Group $58,950 Bridgewater Assoc $58,300 Cisco Systems $56,600 Lehman Brothers $53,250 Morgan Stanley $50,950 Wachovia Corp $50,850 Blackstone Group $47,950 Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu $41,601 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Political Party Owned by Big Money Now? From: Riginslinger Date: 02 Feb 08 - 04:07 PM How can the University of California be making campaign contributions. Isn't that the tax payer's money? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Political Party Owned by Big Money Now? From: GUEST,Guest Date: 02 Feb 08 - 04:12 PM But you'll learn a whole lot more if you go to the website yourself. It is truly an amazing resource for seeing how corrupted the system really is. Clinton is tops with big donors (who donate the max of $4,600), as I said above. But they all are getting money from the same pool. For instance, my national teacher's union (AFT) has endorsed Clinton. However, Obama is sucking up more from union members than is Clinton. Why? He is using the Karl Rove model, Clinton and McCain the more conventional model of fundraising for each party. The money numbers show that Clinton is far more popular with traditional Democratic big donors, than McCain is with traditional Republican big donors. Obama and McCain have roughly the same percentage of big donor money, around 10%, and Clinton is WAY ahead of them in that category. That is because she got to those donors first, and they threw their money behind her. But you see, the big donors can't lose. If they see that Clinton is losing, they can still donate to Obama--whom none of them have pitched their pennies at yet. And vice versa. Same with McCain/Romney. Romney is unique in this campaign, because he is using so much of his personal fortune to buy his way in. Everyone else is buying their way into the White House using leveraged money, shall we say? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Political Party Owned by Big Money Now? From: Peace Date: 02 Feb 08 - 04:13 PM Thank you very much. I went to the FEC site and had a bugger of a time getting around in it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Political Party Owned by Big Money Now? From: GUEST,Guest Date: 02 Feb 08 - 04:19 PM Oh, also quite revealing when you go to the website. Click "Top Industries" under each candidates name. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Political Party Owned by Big Money Now? From: Peace Date: 02 Feb 08 - 04:25 PM Thanks. I will do that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Political Party Owned by Big Money Now? From: pdq Date: 02 Feb 08 - 07:01 PM "Harvard University $141,700 University of California $126,972" ...for Obama. This is a disgrace. Give money to your favorite university to further higher education, they give it to a political candidate. Same is true for Environmental groups. Nine out of the top ten Environmental groups (as ranked by their ability to take in money) claim giving money to Democrats is a top priority. We need a few genuine reformers like Theodore Rooseveldt. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Political Party Owned by Big Money Now? From: Bee-dubya-ell Date: 02 Feb 08 - 07:17 PM It's not the universities themselves who are doing the donating. It's the universities' employees, mainly faculty. Read about it here. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Political Party Owned by Big Money Now? From: Stringsinger Date: 03 Feb 08 - 05:00 PM Democracy is being bought and sold. Meaningful campaign finance reform is not on the table. It has gotten worse over the years. Trust busting, anti-deregulation, the oppposition to the growth of the munitions industry and outrage against an illegal war and occupation has all but disappeared. Unions are devalued also. Of course money talks and bullshit walks. Frank Hamilton |
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Subject: RE: BS: Political Party Owned by Big Money Now? From: Little Hawk Date: 03 Feb 08 - 06:28 PM Check this out: Shadows on the walls... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Political Party Owned by Big Money Now? From: number 6 Date: 03 Feb 08 - 06:40 PM As Mike Gravel said ... "follow the money" ... ""The Democratic Party used to stand for the ordinary working man," he said, "But the Clintons and the DLC [Democratic Leadership Council] sold out the Democratic Party to Wall Street. "Look at where all the money is being raised right now for Hillary, Obama and Edwards. It's the hedge funds, it's Wall Street bankers, it's the people who brought you what you have today. Please wake up . . . they're lock, stock and barrel in their pocket." biLL |
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Subject: RE: BS: Political Party Owned by Big Money Now? From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 03 Feb 08 - 07:08 PM Political Party Owned by Big Money And I hear the Pope is a Catholic. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Political Party Owned by Big Money Now? From: GUEST,Guest Date: 03 Feb 08 - 08:49 PM Yeah, there sure are a whole lot of people leaping on the Obamarama bandwagon who insist upon deluding themselves into believing he ain't bought like the rest of the candidates. Truth is, he is more bought than anybody. If he gets elected, he is gonna owe hundreds of millions in favors to the fat cats. The biggest disconnect is that Obama is MOST popular with people who earn over $200,000. Surprised anyone? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Political Party Owned by Big Money Now? From: Riginslinger Date: 03 Feb 08 - 09:16 PM The pollsters keep telling us that Clinton is being carried by the little people, and Obama gets his support from upper income voters, but there must not be any money in making that an issue in the media. |
