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Subject: steeleye span, fairport convention From: lastword Date: 12 Dec 07 - 05:34 PM Hi, all, |
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Subject: RE: steeleye span, fairport convention From: Severn Date: 12 Dec 07 - 06:49 PM Icepans are best made of steel. Cube trays are acceptable in plastic. Actually, I could recommend an excellent port, maybe even tawneyier than even Cyril. Fairport usually better instrumentally (Mattacks over Pegrum by a long shot! Thompson/Donahue on guitars) Better original material. Steeleye often better vocally. Depends on what era Fairport you're comparing, when it comes down to it. Specify, please! |
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Subject: RE: steeleye span, fairport convention From: Georgiansilver Date: 13 Dec 07 - 06:24 AM Is there really any need to compare. Yet another useless comparative thread. Please just let it die. |
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Subject: RE: steeleye span, fairport convention From: GUEST,The Mole Catcher's Apprentice Date: 13 Dec 07 - 12:19 PM Both founded by the same man....that's all I need to say |
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Subject: RE: steeleye span, fairport convention From: GUEST,mouse Date: 13 Dec 07 - 12:32 PM both weak UK folk rock. ISB and Pentangle are far more interesting. |
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Subject: RE: steeleye span, fairport convention From: Bonzo3legs Date: 13 Dec 07 - 05:10 PM Rubbish. |
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Subject: RE: steeleye span, fairport convention From: lastword Date: 13 Dec 07 - 05:21 PM Hi, all, What I'd like some input on is help in deciding which albums of EACH to buy - namely, a definite (preferably multi-CD) collection of each band. |
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Subject: RE: steeleye span, fairport convention From: Nerd Date: 13 Dec 07 - 05:30 PM Good thing you clarified. Believe it or not, that wasn't obvious from your initial post... |
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Subject: RE: steeleye span, fairport convention From: GUEST,Chris B (Born Again Scouser) Date: 13 Dec 07 - 06:29 PM For Steeleye, the 'Lark in the Morning' 2cd set from a couple of years ago is all the Steeleye you'll ever really need. The first 3 lps in their entirety across 2 discs. There was a great US Fairport compilation on A&M in the mid-70s called 'Fairport Chronicles'. It focussed on the early Island stuff along with some tracks from Sandy and Fotheringay etc. If you can get it on CD then, again, it's all you'll ever really need. |
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Subject: RE: steeleye span, fairport convention From: Folkiedave Date: 13 Dec 07 - 06:30 PM There's a 4-CD boxed set of Fairport with some really rare stuff on Freed Reed. |
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Subject: RE: steeleye span, fairport convention From: Neil D Date: 13 Dec 07 - 06:41 PM "Ten Man Mop, or Mr. Reservoir Butler Rides Again" by Steeleye Span and "Liege and Lief" by Fairport Convention was voted most important folk album of all time by BBC Radio2 listeners, twice. |
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Subject: RE: steeleye span, fairport convention From: mrdux Date: 13 Dec 07 - 08:00 PM there's also a pretty good and readily available 2-CD compilation of Fairport from 1967-75 entitled "Meet on the Ledge." |
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Subject: RE: steeleye span, fairport convention From: Tattie Bogle Date: 13 Dec 07 - 08:19 PM Listen to tracks on I Tunes or equivalent, then just buy the tracks you want if you can't choose between specific CDs. (Mind you, you only get part of a track rather than the whole thing to listen to before purchasing: I thought I was getting bargain with an 8-minute track only to find it was 3 minutes of song and 5 of talk!!) |
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Subject: RE: steeleye span, fairport convention From: cobber Date: 13 Dec 07 - 10:49 PM Does anyone know if the Sails of Silver album was re-released as a cd. I'd love to get that otherwise I'll put it on my (long) list of albums to rip from vinyl. My favourite Fairport album was Rosie even though it was post Sandy Denny. |
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Subject: RE: steeleye span, fairport convention From: Nerd Date: 14 Dec 07 - 12:21 AM Sails of Silver was reissued on CD ten years ago, but I don't know if it's still in print. It's on Park Records and has three bonus tracks, "Thomas the Rhymer," "My Johnny was a Shoemaker" and "The Lark in the Morning," recorded live in 1996 and 1997. I don't agree that all the steeleye you need is their first three albums, or that all the Fairport you need is the early-period stuff on "Fairport Chronicles." It depends on what you like. With Fairport, if you like traditional songs, I'd go first for "Liege and Lief" and then for "Tippler's Tales," "Bonny Bunch of Roses," etc. Liege and Lief has been put out as a new double CD, with a whole disc of outtakes, which is quite good. There have been other nice reissues lately of some Fairport stuff, and a good one is the Fairport Live Convention album from 1974, which has had some of their better Nine-era material added as bonus tracks, recorded live on the same tour as the original album. If you like the early Steeleye stuff, I agree that Lark in the Morning is the way to go. Those early albums have also recently been issued individually as double CDs, each with a whole disc of BBC sessions. However, as the small print tells you, "it has not been possible to source original tapes for the Bonus tracks, and the sound quality suffers. They have been included for historical interest." Which means, they're unlistenable in quality because they were taped off someone's radio and then left sitting in a box since 1972." Unless you really are a historian of the genre, and want to know how their arrangements differed live from on record, etc., and are prepared to listen to these bonus tracks as information rather than music, they're not really worth your time. The original albums remain good, of course. I think a lot of people also like Below the Salt, Parcel of Rogues, and indeed all of Steeleye's albums until the first breakup in 1978. "Live at Last" is a very strong album, for example. Since their reforming, the best one they've done, in my opinion, is "Time." I quite like that disc, and recommend it. I agree that to get a good handle on these bands, a visit to itunes might be in order. If you still like to buy albums, no matter...just listen to the samples and then buy the albums with the songs you like best! |
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Subject: RE: steeleye span, fairport convention From: Bryn Pugh Date: 14 Dec 07 - 05:38 AM For what it is worth - I was indifferent to the early Fairport stuff - 'Unhalfbricking' ; 'What we did on our holidays' until comparatively recently. These tend to have, as it were, grown on me. I quite like 'Red and Gold', whereas I can take 'Jewel in the Crown' or leave it. I indorse what FolkieDave said about the Free Reed 4-off boxed set of Steeleye, 'The Journey' - well worth the money, in my anything but humble opinion. My wife prefers Fairport to Steeleye, whilst I prefer Steeleye to Fairport. I do go to Fairport gigs, if only to please her. It seems to me - and the following admits of neither argument nor contradiction, for it is my opinion- since the sad death of Sandy, and Swarb leaving 'for fresh woods and pastures new', you've been to one Fairport gig, you've been to 'em all. The current Steeleye line-up has, for me, all the freshness of the outfit I saw at the Davenport theatre, Stockport, in 1977 - Martin Carthy, John KP, Peter Knight, Gerry Conway, Maddy and the bass player whom I can't remember. Mind you, after 30 years . . . If I might have only one album of each, it would for me have to be 'Please to see the King', and 'Liege and Lief'. That said, between 'Full House' and 'Liege and Lief' it was a damn close-run thing. |
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Subject: RE: steeleye span, fairport convention From: GUEST,Wayne Date: 14 Dec 07 - 09:52 AM Both brilliant. Fairport more consistent, Steeleye more flashes of genius. In all the years they've been playing they've released one duff album each (Fairport: Over the Next Hill, Steeleye: Back In Line)and too many classic ones to choose favourites. Both have a severely underrated period: Fairport's Tipplers/Bonny Bunch & Steeleye's Mike Batt years; and both are still magnifcent live and making strong cds. Very few folk-rock bands, in recent years have come close to matching their sheer magic (only Clarion, Duncan McFarlane Band, Tempest and Korpiklaani spring to mind.) Long may they continue! |
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Subject: RE: steeleye span, fairport convention From: Nerd Date: 14 Dec 07 - 04:36 PM Bryn is right that Full House by Fairport is also excellent. And I heartily recommend the recently reissued CD version with bonus tracks. It has two versions of "Now be Thankful" (original mono and new stereo mixes), the tune set that's called "Sir B. McKenzie's" for short, "Poor Will and the Jolly Hangman," which was left off the LP at the last minute, and, most remarkably, an early version of "The Bonny Bunch of Roses" that features Richard Thompson on guitar. The later, more canonical version of the song was recorded seven years later, by the quartet of Simon and the three Daves, so was thinner on the guitar parts. Those who agree with me and Wayne, that the "Bonny Bunch" era is underrated, my find this track as significant in its way as the Sandy Denny version of "Sir Patrick Spens," which is a bonus track on Liege and Lief. Bryn is confused, I think, about FolkieDave's recommendation. FolkieDave was recommending Fairport UnConventional, a 4 CD box set from Free Reed. Free Reed has ANOTHER 4 CD set of Fairport, called Cropredy Capers, which is also good. They don't have a Steeleye box set. The Steeleye release recommended by Bryn is a two CD release, entitled The Journey, on Park Records. It's a live document of a 1999 reunion concert at which all the members of Steeleye to that point came together to celebrate the band--except Terry Woods, who had a previous commitment with the Pogues. It is, indeed, excellent. Just to show you how easy it is to become confused (so no blame to Bryn), there IS a 4 CD box set on Free Reed called The Journey. But it's by Ralph McTell... |
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Subject: RE: steeleye span, fairport convention From: Folkiedave Date: 14 Dec 07 - 04:39 PM That is quite correct - apologies for not making that entirely clear. |
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Subject: RE: steeleye span, fairport convention From: Bryn Pugh Date: 09 Jan 08 - 05:17 AM At slight (:-))risk of drift, I rate Oysterband second only to Steeleye, Wayne. If you haven't seen this outfit, they are IMABHO a class act. Sory about the confusion, Nerd - but the Steeleye 'Journey' is bloody brilliant. A few years ago some outfit put together a compilation Steeleye thingio, 'The Best of' or 'The Very Best of' and I remember thinking 'I this is the best may the Great Mother look down on the worst . . . ' :-) |
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