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Subject: BS: How to lift 200 ton stones. From: Donuel Date: 15 Aug 07 - 12:00 PM A new discovery of the Casamir effect may shed light on how some ancient monuments may have been built. Call it lost technology of ancients or a promising new development this discovery caought mey eye. Its neither electromagnetic or gravitational. Ramps were used in ancient idea with the help of elephants to build the great southern monuemnts. Ramps have been proposed for the Great pyrramid as well. I truely believed the Kunkel ideas regarding the Great Pyramid construction because the actual evidence of a hydraulic ram pump powered by fire still exist within the pyramid. But now along with some hyroglyphics that were always a puzzle to me before and this Casamir study, there may now be a new explanation as to how some stones too massive for us to lift today may have been lifted in the past. Few stones in ancient monuments weigh more than 50 tons but there are some. Heck this new casamir idea may even be applied to vehicles or space travel for all I know. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/08/06/nlevitate106.xml&CMP=ILC-mostviewedbox Its only the UK telegraph and the stock picture does not seem to apply to casamir research but rather electromagnetics. Maybe other links exist for this study. or I have been duped by an urban legend. |
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Subject: RE: BS: How to lift 200 ton stones. From: Donuel Date: 15 Aug 07 - 12:03 PM Ramps were used in ancient idea...rather... (Ramps were used in ancient India) |
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Subject: RE: BS: How to lift 200 ton stones. From: Bill D Date: 15 Aug 07 - 12:12 PM I am sure there is still much to be learned about the forces in the Universe, but all the data so far seems to indicate that the Casimir effect only makes a difference at the nano level. I think the Egyptians were just incredibly patient and clever with levers and manpower....IF they used a crude form of hydraulics too, someone will no doubt build a demo....they've done all the other demos of stone hauling and such. |
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Subject: RE: BS: How to lift 200 ton stones. From: Rapparee Date: 15 Aug 07 - 12:16 PM Our ancestors were much smarter than we give them credit for being. Likewise ourselves. I think we have bought far more of the Victorian idea of "savage, backward cultures" than we like to admit. Having moved (on a slightly uphill slope) a one ton (0.91 metric tons) slab of granite with the help of only one other person and some rollers, ropes, and skid boards, I have no doubt at all that 200 tons could be moved (assuming enough peoplepower, etc.). |
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Subject: RE: BS: How to lift 200 ton stones. From: GUEST,Keinstein Date: 15 Aug 07 - 12:26 PM Hum. There's a bit of a stretch from nanometre- scale objects to 200 tonne stones, and that might have challenged the Egyptians a bit. the picture looks like one of those magnetic toys that you can get, you know the ones that hold a spinning globe in space. Clever but not earth shattering. A rough calculation makes the Casimir force/unit area in vacuum for plates x metres apart about 1.3e-27/(x^4)N, so lets assume a 200 tonne stone is about a 4m cube... the force between a pair of stones 1 mm apart is 0.02 picoNewtons. Compare that with its weight of 200xG Newtons.. about 10^15 times less.... say one thousandth of a millionth of a millionth. Straws and camels don't come into it. I'll stick to ramps, slaves, whips, sweat and persistence. |
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Subject: RE: BS: How to lift 200 ton stones. From: Cluin Date: 15 Aug 07 - 12:31 PM Wally Wallington has an idea. |
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Subject: RE: BS: How to lift 200 ton stones. From: GUEST,Keinstein Date: 15 Aug 07 - 12:40 PM Yeah, I'll go for Wally! |
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Subject: RE: BS: How to lift 200 ton stones. From: Donuel Date: 15 Aug 07 - 01:08 PM Wally can "worry" a stone by rocking it all nite long. To power NYC by Casamir power converted to eletricity you would need perfectly smooth plates fit flush together ---- the size of Manhatten. |
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Subject: RE: BS: How to lift 200 ton stones. From: Megan L Date: 15 Aug 07 - 01:13 PM The answer Donuel is carefully, very carefully dammit man those things could give you a hernia if your not careful ;-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: How to lift 200 ton stones. From: Bill D Date: 15 Aug 07 - 02:53 PM Wally is doing fine...and at Stonehenge they had years to play. |
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Subject: RE: BS: How to lift 200 ton stones. From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 15 Aug 07 - 08:03 PM Well I just knew it had to be true... May The Force be with you! |
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Subject: RE: BS: How to lift 200 ton stones. From: Rabbi-Sol Date: 15 Aug 07 - 08:40 PM The amazing thing about the pyramids is that they were so mathematically correct that you could not even place a razor blade between the stones. How did they do that? The Bible tells us that the ancient Egyptians were pactitioners of black magic and were able to harness certain supernatural powers such as demons. We see from the accounts in Exodus that their magicians were able to duplicate some of the miracles that Moses performed as well as the first 2 of the ten plagues. This power was taken away from them on the very night that their first born were slain. This supernatural power could have been used to raise the stones. Also remember, with all our modern science and medical savy, we still can not figure out what substances they used to preserve their mummies. Bottom line; These people were not as backward as we think they were. SOL |
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Subject: RE: BS: How to lift 200 ton stones. From: Grab Date: 15 Aug 07 - 08:47 PM I hate to put a damper on things, but there's a bit of difference between primitive hydraulics using a decent fire and high-precision nanomachinery. As regards "too heavy for us to lift today", a quick search on Google found this link (ignore the Japanese language pack bit). That crane will happily lift 1000 ton blocks all day - it probably ain't the world's biggest either (or the site would likely say so), it's just the first one I found on Google. Lifting that kind of heavy stuff really is just a matter of the will to make the lifting happen. |
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Subject: RE: BS: How to lift 200 ton stones. From: John Hardly Date: 15 Aug 07 - 08:48 PM Most steps "forward" in technology leave behind them a void in knowledge. When I was in high school I was actually taught to use a slide rule. Given the age of most of you, you probably were too. No longer. With Texas Instruments, that went the way of the Dodo . No great loss until such time as something comes along such that we can no longer fire up a calculator. Most of us used to work on our cars. Now most of us couldn't identify 50% of what's under the hood. And cars minimized the number of people who understood horse care and horsemanship. And all those anachronistic crafts go WAY beyond simple knowledge. They are usually knowledge married to skill married to experience. Even if we think we "know" what they historically knew, we don't. Not in the manner that they knew. |
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Subject: RE: BS: How to lift 200 ton stones. From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 15 Aug 07 - 08:56 PM "The Bible tells us that the ancient Egyptians were pactitioners of black magic and were able to harness certain supernatural powers" 'One Man's Technology is another Ignorant1 Man's Magic.' 1 Ignorant of the Technology, that is... |
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Subject: RE: BS: How to lift 200 ton stones. From: John Hardly Date: 15 Aug 07 - 09:39 PM Actually, as I remember the story being told, the writer of the Bible account said that the Egyptian sorcerer's trickery did not measure up when faced with the true supernatural power of Jehovah as produced through Moses. In other words, though the Egyptians thought that their sorcerers and priests had supernatural power, they, in fact, did not. God through Moses proved it. So, in your quote 'One Man's Technology is another Ignorant1 Man's Magic.'... ...it was the Egyptians who were shown to be the "ignorant" by your description. |
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Subject: RE: BS: How to lift 200 ton stones. From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 15 Aug 07 - 09:43 PM "...it was the Egyptians who were shown to be the "ignorant" by your description." Which proves that "God's Power' comes from Technology, not Magic? I'd certainly like a peek at Moses' Staff then... ... no - not THAT one... ooooooo, you're naughty... |
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Subject: RE: BS: How to lift 200 ton stones. From: John Hardly Date: 15 Aug 07 - 09:48 PM LOL! |
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Subject: RE: BS: How to lift 200 ton stones. From: Bill D Date: 15 Aug 07 - 09:50 PM "... we still can not figure out what substances they used to preserve their mummies." Oh, sure we can! The process is 98% replicated today. The exact % is a matter of trial & error, but we know how they did it, and it wasn't magic or sorcery.....Neither was moving stones. I simply cannot fathom how anyone with a modern education can believe today that "...supernatural power could have been used to raise the stones." From the above, it seems that it is not even clear that the Bible did make such a claim. Sorry, Sol... I'm not trying to insult you, but that belief needs some serious re-evaluation.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: How to lift 200 ton stones. From: John Hardly Date: 15 Aug 07 - 09:54 PM To be perfectly clear -- the Bible makes NO such claim -- especially as relates to building anything. The claims of supernatural occurred relative to the events surrounding the release of the Hebrews. |
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Subject: RE: BS: How to lift 200 ton stones. From: Rapparee Date: 15 Aug 07 - 10:11 PM We moved the one ton slab of granite, the boss and me, to the grave it was to cover. When we had it 90 degrees to the grave the boss said, "Okay, go get the turntable." Well, it wasn't on the truck. HE had forgotten to load it the night before. So he put two 1" x 1" x 12" pieces of wood under the slab, one lengthwise to the grave and one parallel to the stone -- formed a +, if you will. The stone turned very easily and fell neatly onto the prepared foundation. It didn't do the sticks any good, but they were expendable anyway. And how do you get nearly-perfect joints between rocks? Polish them with sand and then put tons and tons and tons of pressure on top. Not only will you be unable to slip a knife blade in, air can be excluded. |
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Subject: RE: BS: How to lift 200 ton stones. From: Sorcha Date: 15 Aug 07 - 10:57 PM Sigh......I'm so tired of youtube links. I can't watch them. And no, I'm NOT buying a new computer just to watch youtube. |
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Subject: RE: BS: How to lift 200 ton stones. From: GUEST,Keinstein Date: 16 Aug 07 - 05:16 AM Once you've kept them for the drying out period, mummies quite happily preserve themselves as long as they are kept dry, and Egypt is rich in dryness once you get away from the Nile floodplain. It's only that initial period you need to get over. It's not unusual for people working on old houses in Britain to find an animal, often a kitten, mummified and hidden in the eaves or in a chimney as a good luck charm. As for supernatural powers, if they had them they didn't use them very usefully, as it's clear that most of the population spent their lives in hard dull repetetive labour, and that one of the reasons for mummification and the building of vast tombs was to relieve the owner from having to do this in the afterlife. I don't like youtube either, and I've got a reasonably fast computer... do you have broadband out in the Wylds of Why-oh-Wyoming Sorcha? |
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Subject: RE: BS: How to lift 200 ton stones. From: Grab Date: 16 Aug 07 - 05:58 AM How did they do that? Straight-edges to check flatness, set-squares to check corners are right-angles (who's to say Pythagoras was the first to figure it out?), and lots of time and man-power. You're right, John - this knowledge goes away when ways of doing stuff are replaced. There's even questions about some details of cathedral-building IIRC, and that was all fairly recent stuff. What I find disheartening is that there have been so many cultures which progressed so far in technology, art or whatever, and then that knowledge is lost. Not long back, I remember seeing a programme about some amazing citadel found in the Middle East which was built around 4000BC, well before the Egyptians were building anything significant. This place was huge and sophisticated - massive stone walls, planned grid-pattern layout of streets, etc.. And no-one knows who they were or how they did this, given that the rest of the world was still at the mud-hut stage. Then the Egyptians had all that technology, and they lost it. Then the Greeks, then the Romans, then the Arabs and Turks, and finally the Renaissance from which all modern science developed. It's the waste that gets me. All those people who put their lives into figuring out better ways of making stuff work, they might never have lived at all for all the good their work did long-term. Forgetting how stuff worked in the past because you've got a better way of doing it now, that's understandable. But to forget the *current* way of doing something and have that skill completely lost - that's just incomprehensible to me. Graham. |
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Subject: RE: BS: How to lift 200 ton stones. From: GUEST,Keinstein Date: 16 Aug 07 - 06:44 AM How to lose knowledge? It's easy. Most knowledge is known only to specialists in the field. I don't know how to choose a catalyst for a particular reaction, or a turbine blade. Most other people won't know how to design, say, an intelligent sensor with WiFi network capability. There were probably a number of people in Iraq in 2000 who could do these things, and other similar tasks. But pronbably not now- there's no need for them, and no use for them, so they've gone elsewhere. When society breaks down on a global scale, there's no use for the specialists, their knowledge isn't passed on, and if not preserved (in libraries say)is lost. Any great change- a change of religion say- can have similar effects. There was simply no need for handling masonry on that scale once bronze age "Britons" or Egyptians had lost their megalithic obsessions. |
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Subject: RE: BS: How to lift 200 ton stones. From: Rapparee Date: 16 Aug 07 - 09:16 AM Society did not break down with the fall of the Egyptians, or the Greeks, or the Romans. The Chinese, for example, were doing quite well. So were some of the Polynesian cultures. In the 7th Century CE, when most of Europe was fighting other Europeans and trying to keep the Dark Ages from shutting the whole place down completely, the Koreans built Cheomseongdae observatory. The Mali Empire in Africa, begun around 1245 CE, contained Timbuktu, which even then was renowned for its university. And the cultures in the "New World," such as those of the "Mound Builders" and Cahokia Mounds (inhabited around 650 CE, building commenced ca. 1050 CE, includes "Woodhenge") and the much earlier Olmec (1200 BCE to about 400 BCE) in mesoamerica certainly must qualify as civilizations. Let's not be Eurocentric in this.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: How to lift 200 ton stones. From: Donuel Date: 16 Aug 07 - 09:24 AM Good points Grab regarding not being able to stick a razor blade between pyramid stones....I can't stick a razor blade between blocks of modern buildings either. I can not begin to imagine how to project the casamir effect but I do know that scaling up even tiny phenomenon will produce much larger effects. |
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Subject: RE: BS: How to lift 200 ton stones. From: Uncle_DaveO Date: 16 Aug 07 - 09:42 AM Donuel, the "sticking a razor blade" test is only relevant to dry-fitted masonry. If mortar of some kind is used, as it always is in modern building, of course you can't. Dave Oesterreich |
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Subject: RE: BS: How to lift 200 ton stones. From: SINSULL Date: 16 Aug 07 - 10:35 AM Lift with your knees, not your back. |
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Subject: RE: BS: How to lift 200 ton stones. From: Bobert Date: 16 Aug 07 - 10:45 AM Well, gol danged... I thought you folks was up on yer history lessons but apparently not!!! Ya' see, 200 ton stones have been 'round fir a long, long time but until Galello invented gravity they could be kicked 'round like a kid kickin' a can... The ancient pharoh's used to throw 'um out fir their dogs to retrieve... Sho nuff did... B;) |
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Subject: RE: BS: How to lift 200 ton stones. From: Bill D Date: 16 Aug 07 - 12:00 PM awww..Bobert! 'Galello' invented JELLO, which was the original cause of earthquakes! (it is a little known fact that Bill Haley was channeling Galello when he recorded "Shake, Rattle & Roll"!) |
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Subject: RE: BS: How to lift 200 ton stones. From: Grab Date: 16 Aug 07 - 01:13 PM Yeah Keinstein, all these things are the field of the specialist. But I'm amazed (and disappointed) that when one group took over from another, they didn't think that keeping these guys around, or learning from them, might be useful long-term. The Romans certainly preserved what they could from the Greeks, but the Greeks themselves lost a lot of what they knew. Part of the problem would be invading hordes of barbarians, but I think more usually the problem is simply that none of them saw the benefit in making the knowledge available to everyone. They kept it in-house (or in-guild), and it only took a few people to snuff it at the same time for the whole lot to be lost. Sure Rapaire, there were other places around the world doing stuff too. But most of them weren't passing it on either. The various South American societies built amazing stuff, but most of them lost it too, before Pizarro came on the scene and did his own rearranging. And in spite of inventing some interesting stuff, the Chinese philosophy of despising the peasants who did practical things meant that it had little effect on the society as a whole. scaling up even tiny phenomenon will produce much larger effects. Not necessarily. An ant can carry a hundred times its body weight, right? So, thinks the 1950s mad scientist, if I can breed a race of ants weighing maybe one kilo, so say about the size of a small dog, they could stomp all over a human. And ants the size of a car could bust down buildings with ease. And the world will be MINE, MUHUHUHUHUH!!!! Except that an ant the size of a small dog wouldn't be able to lift itself, because the tiny phenomenons of how an ant's constructed (exoskeleton, musculature, blood supply, etc) just don't work on the larger scale. Oh well, back to the 1950s mad scientist drawing board then. ;-) That's the problem. Some things scale up linearly, so make them bigger and you get more out of them. But a lot of stuff scales up with the diminishing-returns principle. And some stuff actually only scales up to a point, and further scaling-up actually *reduces* what you get out of it. Graham. |
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Subject: RE: BS: How to lift 200 ton stones. From: Rapparee Date: 16 Aug 07 - 01:44 PM I'm not disagreeing. I'm just saying that we shouldn't be so damned Eurocentric in what we consider to be "civilization." There are a LOT of unanswered questions around the world -- but how to move 200 ton stones isn't one of them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: How to lift 200 ton stones. From: John Hardly Date: 16 Aug 07 - 01:53 PM ...but how to pass 200 ton stones, that's another question. |
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Subject: RE: BS: How to lift 200 ton stones. From: jeffp Date: 16 Aug 07 - 02:17 PM Here's a link to an article about some New World mummies. The formula has been lost for these as well. http://www.roadsideamerica.com/attract/WVPHImum.html And yes, I have saw the mummies. |
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Subject: RE: BS: How to lift 200 ton stones. From: John Hardly Date: 16 Aug 07 - 02:30 PM ...and, once sawn, they are the devil to put the two halves back together. /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Oh Mister Tut what good's it do They love your chair but nobody cares for you Egyptian nights were never colder And all your friends are thousands of years older Whatever happened to that gang down by the Sphinx Seems they're only forty winks away Those girls from Cairo with their belly button jewels Made you play the fool yesterday yesterday Now you keep in shape with Elmer's glue Man you're all wrapped up in them dead Egyptian blues Oh Mister Tut they love the mask But do they love you honey sweetheart don't ask Where's those baby browns and that pearly smile That smile that drove 'em wild by the early Nile You make one terrific hieroglyphic don't you bro' Centuries of standing sideways turned you to a pro Those girls from Cairo who filled your heart with lust They've all turned to dust yesterday yesterday And those bandages didn't do that much for you Man you're all wrapped up in them dead Egyptian blues Oh Mister Tut they dig the tomb All that gold leaf brightens up a room But what's the diff when you're stiff what riff they're playing When your ears have spent five thousand years decaying What does it matter what possessions you may boast When you're just a ghost it's only jive clive Your sarcophagus is glowing but your esophagus is showing Who cares how rich you are love When you look like Boris Karloff And they even named this dog food after you Man you're all wrapped up in them dead Egyptian blues Oh Mister Tut you wait and see Another few thousand years they're gonna dig up me And I'll have all my little treasures near at hand A CD of Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band A little dried out Maui wowee crumbled in a bong A letter from my honey saying Love you kid so long Some peanut butter sandwiches that have long returned to sand Not much gold or silver but Tut I think you'll understand That in my way I'll be just like you All wrapped up in them dead Egyptian blues All wrapped up All wrapped up All wrapped up in them dead Egyptian blues --Michael Smith |
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Subject: RE: BS: How to lift 200 ton stones. From: Mr Red Date: 16 Aug 07 - 03:21 PM There have been a few very notable hoax mummies recently some made their way to experts who were sure they were fakes, but it took some pretty minute details to confirm this. like the bandages made of hemp or something that was bred only two cenuties ago. A TV programme on the subject here in the UK tried to make a mummy. They got as far as removing the major internal organs and dessicating the body in --- (help me here) lime? After a few months they had a very dry body. And they concluded that the hoaxes were perpetrated by some exceptionally knowledgeable archeologists. With the inferrence that the expert(s) were not from amateur ranks. Knowledge can be re-learned. If the pay-back is sufficient. And any social change sidelines aspects of society. We folkies and our search for the real song/custom is living proof that knowledge can be re-learned. Mostly. |
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Subject: RE: BS: How to lift 200 ton stones. From: Rapparee Date: 16 Aug 07 - 03:59 PM I helped a young girl win a science fair prize. She wanted to investigate mummies, so she mummified a squirrel according to the directions we had available in the library. She used sodium carbonate, sodium bicarbonate, and a smidge of sodium chloride as a dessicating agent, the closest approximation she could get to the natron used by the Egyptians. She also debunked Herodotus by soaking a second squirrel in a aqueous solution of her mixture. After five days her mother made her take pictures of the mess and bury it -- proving you can't mummify something by soaking it in a water-based solution. The first squirrel mummified quite nicely, thank you. She removed the internal organs as per the instructions in various books, and removed the brain via the nose. She used cedar oil, too. (Her father, a taxidermist, supplied the dead squirrels.) I hope that she continued her investigations in college, etc. She was a nice, very smart, kid. |
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Subject: RE: BS: How to lift 200 ton stones. From: Bobert Date: 16 Aug 07 - 08:23 PM Ummm, on a serious note... The laws of physics haven't changed... The inclined plane does provide some level of mechanical advantage... When coupled with a simple pulley and a Jew's Stick (fulcum) more mechanical advantage is introduced into the fray... Once the concept of mechanical advantgae is internalized it's amazing how little force it takes to move stuff... One doesn't even have to understand, for instance that a single pulley will decrease the pull by exactly one half or that 2 will decrease it to 1/4th... Bottom line, anyone who has used mechanical advantage just kinda inately figured out how to move stuff... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: How to lift 200 ton stones. From: Cluin Date: 16 Aug 07 - 08:46 PM Ex-Lax will help move stuff. |
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Subject: RE: BS: How to lift 200 ton stones. From: John Hardly Date: 16 Aug 07 - 09:28 PM "I helped a young girl win a science fair prize. She wanted to investigate mummies, so she mummified a squirrel according to the directions we had available in the library. She used sodium carbonate, sodium bicarbonate, and a smidge of sodium chloride as a dessicating agent, the closest approximation she could get to the natron used by the Egyptians." I did essentially the same thing when I mummified a chicken. I also used directions I had available in the library. I used honey, worcestershire sauce, salt, pepper, mustard... ...wait. Nevermind. |
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Subject: RE: BS: How to lift 200 ton stones. From: Rapparee Date: 16 Aug 07 - 09:40 PM As they say, "The Truth is out there." As they also say, "The Truth? You can't handle the Truth." |
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Subject: RE: BS: How to lift 200 ton stones. From: Amos Date: 16 Aug 07 - 10:26 PM A step by step process using pebbl;es and levers to raise the giant stones of Easter Island is described by Thor Heyerdahl in his book on the subject. The ancient art was demonstrated to him by a native who was heir to the information from the descendants of those who raised the ones found standing there. Pebble by pebble, inch by inch. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: How to lift 200 ton stones. From: Cluin Date: 17 Aug 07 - 02:21 PM NI - AG - RA FALLS! Slowly I turned... |
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Subject: RE: BS: How to lift 200 ton stones. From: Rapparee Date: 17 Aug 07 - 02:32 PM Same thing that the guy in the video did, only he used wood instead of rocks. I've seen the same sort of thing proposed for raising the uprights at Stonehenge. We can be too impatient, forgetting that even using hydralic jacks or helicopters things are still only lifted little by little. Ya gotta lift it the first inch to lift it two inches.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: How to lift 200 ton stones. From: John Hardly Date: 17 Aug 07 - 02:35 PM If they had chosen styrofoam to make either stonehenge or the pyramids we wouldn't even be having this discussion. |
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Subject: RE: BS: How to lift 200 ton stones. From: Cluin Date: 17 Aug 07 - 02:42 PM Well, there's a non-sequitur. |
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Subject: RE: BS: How to lift 200 ton stones. From: John Hardly Date: 17 Aug 07 - 02:45 PM I object. It is perfectly sequited. |
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Subject: RE: BS: How to lift 200 ton stones. From: jeffp Date: 17 Aug 07 - 02:47 PM How about cars? |
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Subject: RE: BS: How to lift 200 ton stones. From: folk1e Date: 17 Aug 07 - 07:12 PM can anybody tell me how the ancients managed to get a perfectly flat concrete surface down so they could turn the blocks with a pebble? |
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Subject: RE: BS: How to lift 200 ton stones. From: Bill D Date: 17 Aug 07 - 07:18 PM not 'concrete'..stone. And not A pebble....many pebbles. They chipped and ground and polished ...and it was never 'perfectly' flat, just purty durned flat. |
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Subject: RE: BS: How to lift 200 ton stones. From: terrier Date: 17 Aug 07 - 07:58 PM ....but how did they get that first stone to the right place to chip and grind and polish to spread the many pebbles on to turn the huge blocks of stone to...... Are we talking of desert here...desert is sand and that first block must have been a hell of a size to carry the weight of subsequent blocks. My theory is that they flooded the desert and floated it in! |
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Subject: RE: BS: How to lift 200 ton stones. From: John Hardly Date: 17 Aug 07 - 07:59 PM Yeah, that's the ticket. Floating rocks. :^) |
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Subject: RE: BS: How to lift 200 ton stones. From: Cluin Date: 17 Aug 07 - 08:17 PM Swing... and a miss. |
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Subject: RE: BS: How to lift 200 ton stones. From: Bill D Date: 17 Aug 07 - 09:32 PM You don't need a theory when you have Google: They know exactly where the stones came from |
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Subject: RE: BS: How to lift 200 ton stones. From: Rapparee Date: 17 Aug 07 - 10:52 PM Use a water level. Put a container with "teats" on the outside just above the bottom. Attach cleaned animal intestine to it; you can attach one intestine to another to obtain the length you need (you now, in effect, have a semi-transparent hose). Stretch the intestine out in the direction(s) you want to level and raise the ends a foot or so above the ground. Now pour water into the central container, which will fill the intestine-hoses. The water in the hoses will find its own level and all you have to do is draw a line to connect the water lines at the end of the hoses. To grind a large stone flat(ish), simply rub it with a harder stone. Given enough people, stones, and time you can grind Mt. Everest flat. |
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Subject: RE: BS: How to lift 200 ton stones. From: terrier Date: 18 Aug 07 - 07:32 AM SO, they got it wrong: (snip) A horseshoe-shaped quarry lies just south of Khufu's Great Pyramid and the Khafre pyramid causeway. The sides of the quarry align with the sides of the Khufu Pyramid. (end) What they were trying to build was in fact a giant horseshoe, but what the designer designed went a little awry in the planning stage and was completely cocked up in the building stage. Now if they had just dug a pyramid shaped hole and inverted it, they would have had a hollow pyramid that they could fill at their leisure however they wanted to. Easy! |
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Subject: RE: BS: How to lift 200 ton stones. From: Bill D Date: 18 Aug 07 - 11:28 AM hmmm...sounds like my idea for making hollow soap to eliminate those left-over chips! (and I know the old jokes: "Why is Johnny crying?" "He wanted to dig a hole, so I let him....now he wants to bring it into the house" " A couple of guys in Texas were buying up old, dry oil wells. Their get rich scheme was to pull up the dry wells, cut them off in 3 foot sections, and sell them for ready-made post holes. Thought they would sell real good!" |
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Subject: RE: BS: How to lift 200 ton stones. From: Rapparee Date: 18 Aug 07 - 11:41 AM You have to cut the dry holes in about five foot sections, otherwise with two feet buried in the ground your fence is only a foot high. Cows will ignore it. Believe me, I know. |
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Subject: RE: BS: How to lift 200 ton stones. From: Bill D Date: 18 Aug 07 - 01:14 PM Nawww...you just run them thru a 'hole stretcher'...they come out a little thinner, but they fit between rocks in bad soil a lot easier. |
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Subject: RE: BS: How to lift 200 ton stones. From: Cluin Date: 18 Aug 07 - 02:10 PM If it takes 2 men 2 days to dig a hole, how long would it take 1 man to dig half a hole? |
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Subject: RE: BS: How to lift 200 ton stones. From: terrier Date: 18 Aug 07 - 02:18 PM Anyway, I don't believe they had oil wells around the time of building the Great Pyramids. (snip) Other pyramid quarries at Giza Menkaure (2490-2472 BC) built the third, or smallest, of the three principle Giza pyramids. American archaeologist, George Reisner, correctly identified a depression south-southeast of Menkaure's pyramid as the quarry for that pyramid. It runs roughly southeast to northwest. Though we have not made a calculation of the volume, its size and location make it a likely candidate to be Menkaure's pyramid quarry. (end) You see, practice makes perfect. By 2490 BC, they'd sussed out to make a pyramid. You first make a pyramid shaped hole. Or else how did George Reisner know he'd found the correct hole,eh! |
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Subject: RE: BS: How to lift 200 ton stones. From: Rapparee Date: 18 Aug 07 - 08:50 PM Making a pyramid is the easiest thing in the world. First, you find a nice, big, flat spot. Then you mark off how big you want your pyramid to be. Dig down around this edge, angling in on all sides until you meet in the middle. Then all you have to do is pull 'er out and flip 'er over onto the big end. Voila! You have your pyramid! Now that that's solved, what's the next problem? |
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Subject: RE: BS: How to lift 200 ton stones. From: bobad Date: 18 Aug 07 - 09:10 PM Something like this Rap? |
