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Subject: BS: dog training any ideas From: Mr Red Date: 09 Jun 07 - 04:07 AM Any ideas on how to train a dog to spend a penny (and not always a penny) outside. The dog is there to keep an not too active 92 year old company. Jack Russell size mongrel. Litter Tray is not successful. Letting the dog out none too easy. Catflap is being planned. It is an intelligent bitch, a lap dog and does wonders for the old man. 5 hours between lettings out is not good news. |
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Subject: RE: BS: dog training any ideas From: Liz the Squeak Date: 09 Jun 07 - 04:15 AM Reinforce the 'good' nature when walking the dog. Say something like 'squat' or 'do-doos' or whatever is acceptable when they "go" and give them a treat for doing so. If they go and you don't say the word, don't give the treat. Soon their little doggy brains will associate the word with the treat and will perform on cue. Try to make the training sessions at regular times - like us, they need a pee after waking, after meals and before bed. Get them into a routine and you soon won't need to make extra trips unless they are unwell. LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: dog training any ideas From: saulgoldie Date: 09 Jun 07 - 08:20 AM I am assuming--not necessarily a good assumption--that you are in the US. I can't help you with specifics. But there is a show on NPR called "Calling All Pets" that I am sure could give you ideas. (Browse the NPR site for local listings.) Personally, I find the show annoying for two reasons, no three. First is that I am not the least bit interested in the topic. Two is that it displaces two other of my favorite shows on my local NPR station, WAMU. Three is that is has what has GOT to be the very dopiest theme music I have ever heard, much less on NPR. But as for teaching your pooch to drop the penny properly, it might help you. Good luck. BTW, I think cats and dogs are some of the coolest beings going on G-d's green earth, and I celebrate them as pets/family members of OTHER people. Just not for me. Saul |
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Subject: RE: BS: dog training any ideas From: webfolk Date: 09 Jun 07 - 10:06 AM Mr Red, I'm sure you in the UK. Dog Borstal is good for tips, on BBC3, new series just started on Friday eves. Following on from Liz, above, after feeding take said canine for walk on lead and reinforce the need to pee and poo with whatever words you want but be consistent, no good me saying "do a wee/do a poo" when you say "banana/apple" for the same commands/responses. While the dog does its business keep repeating the words, and reward after. It will soon associate its actions with your words and do it on command. The only other option I can see is an indoor kennel/cage and keep the dog in it when you are out, as they will almost certainly not soil their own space. Geoff (owner of 15 month old Polly, Black Labrador who can go for days without peeing and then pee every 2 mins when out - lol) www.webfolk.net Don't allow it to wander off and do its business away from the lead, that way you help it to do it with you and for you. NEVER punish the dog for getting it wrong. |
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Subject: RE: BS: dog training any ideas From: Stilly River Sage Date: 09 Jun 07 - 11:19 AM I heard a talk show discuss crate training that might apply here. Feed the dog, in the crate, and wait a few minutes, maybe up to 30, then take it for a walk. Do the reward process described above when the dog takes care of business. They won't soil their crates, the trainer said, so if you leave them in it just long enough that they need to go when you let them out, you can reinforce the behavior that way. Another dog training program made the point that small dogs are often too energetic for places like apartments--that the big dogs are more likely to sleep much of the day and enjoy their walks when they happen. Maybe the energy level should have been considered in this case also. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: dog training any ideas From: wysiwyg Date: 09 Jun 07 - 01:47 PM Good lord, don't try out all the ideas on the poor dog, or he will lose his mind! ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: dog training any ideas From: GUEST,JTT Date: 10 Jun 07 - 02:06 AM I've done this. First off, get a book called Don't Shoot the Dog by Karen Pryor (if you're in Britain you'll have to buy it on the internet; I don't think it's available there in shops). Get something that makes a quick noise, and get the dog used to the idea that when it hears this noise, a treat is coming. For example, one of those biros that clicks on and off. Sit down with the dog when you've nothing to do, click the biro, give a treat, click, give a treat, click, give a treat, until the dog's watching the biro, not you. The treats I've used with my dog are cat kibble - something like Brekkies. The individual little pieces of food are small enough that she's not going to get filled up with treats and get bored with the idea. Of course, I don't feed her on this - it's too high-protein for dogs - but it's good for treats. If your dog doesn't like this, try cooking some liver and cutting it up into little strips half an inch long by a quarter of an inch wide and deep or smaller. Now 'train' your dog in some behaviour. Each training session should take no longer than five minutes - long enough to be fun, but not long enough to get bored. Let's say you want your dog to sit on command. Wait with her until her bottom starts to sink down to the ground, then click and treat. Wait again until her bottom starts to sink, then click and treat. After a few treats, she'll be sitting automatically. Now add the cue - say "sit!" as she starts to sit, and click and treat. Then start clicking and treating only if she sits when you say "sit!" To establish the behaviour, train it in different places and with different people - dogs are simple souls, and a behaviour trained in the kitchen won't necessarily translate to the garden or the street or someone else saying "sit!" Finally, start giving 'intermittent reinforcement' when the behaviour is well established - click and treat sometimes but not others, so the dog knows it has a chance of being rewarded if it sits on command. When you've trained a few behaviours, and you and the dog are happy with take your dog out to the back garden when you know she's going to want to pee, and when she does, click and treat. When she's used to the concept, add a cue. Now, you have to be careful of the cue you add for this one. You can use something simple - "Do your pee!" - but this may not be something a 92-year-old wants to say out loud. You can use something amusing - the name of the politician of your choice - but this may make the dog neurotic if people laugh at her when she pees. Probably the best thing to do is to use a hand signal (one that won't be used for anything else). This really isn't a difficult behaviour to train. But buy the book - it'll give you a clearer idea of the principles in use. Hope this is some use to you, Mr Red, and well done training a dog for an old person. |
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Subject: RE: BS: dog training any ideas From: Llanfair Date: 10 Jun 07 - 03:27 AM Hi, Mr Red, I can't resist a doggy topic!! My Monty came from your neck of the woods. What is the dog doing now? Is she peeing by the door? how old is she? if she goes in the same place every time, then carefully placed newspaper will do the trick, and, when she uses the paper all the time, it can be moved to a more convenient spot. I'm sorry JTT, I'm not a fan of clicker training, but then, my dogs being collie/lab they are very signal orientated, and we only have to think about taking them out and they are on to it!! Monty, the rescue dog...his name reflects where he was found..is a border collie and had never been in a house before I got him, and it took a few months for an intelligent dog like him to get the message, but he was 5 when we got him, and, judging by the lumpy ribs, kindness had never been part of his training. Plus he only understood Welsh, but that's a whole nother story!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: dog training any ideas From: nutty Date: 10 Jun 07 - 05:23 PM How old is the dog? The older the dog the more ingrained the habit , so changing said habit may not be easy. Similarly if the dog is from a rescue society or has been a stray. Also older dogs do sometimes develop incontinence problems something a vet could advise about. Finally, although this is a small dog - Jack Russell types do need a lot of exercise so should be taken out for quite a substantial walk at least twice a day. (I know as I have one) |
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Subject: RE: BS: dog training any ideas From: Mrrzy Date: 10 Jun 07 - 07:21 PM Train for 5 mn a day. Then they can't wait for the next session! |
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Subject: RE: BS: dog training any ideas From: GUEST,JTT Date: 11 Jun 07 - 10:08 AM Llanfair - my dog too, almost all border collie, with a tinge of labrador. A sweet mix, though, heavens, she can be bossy! But she adores clicker games, and has happily trained to things like shaking the river water off herself when she's *away* from me, peeing on request, and so on. |
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Subject: RE: BS: dog training any ideas From: Llanfair Date: 12 Jun 07 - 04:10 AM I tried a training class for Spike, the collie/lab/huntaway, that used clickers. They said that collies have particularly sensitive hearing. It's a great way to train if you only have 1 dog, but Spike lives here with his mum and dad, and it's come one, come all!! individual training is very difficult, so I go for mob rule and resort to the bottle of stones when the volume gets too loud. Works like a charm!! Fortunately, they know their names, "no" "off" "sit", and the Welsh for "come here" as a concession to Monty's ethnic background....also means that they won't respond if anyone else calls them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: dog training any ideas From: GUEST,JTT Date: 12 Jun 07 - 04:31 AM Yeah, if you want to clicker-train him, you have to get him alone at first. |
