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BS: Omar Khadr

GUEST,meself 05 Jun 07 - 04:51 PM
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Subject: BS: Omar Khadr
From: GUEST,meself
Date: 05 Jun 07 - 04:51 PM

Anyone following events in Guantanamo? Omar Khadr - a Canadian citizen who five years ago, at the age of 15, was captured on the field of battle in Afghanistan, allegedly after having killed an American medic by hand-grenade - yesterday finally appeared in 'court', or whatever you want to call it, and the judge threw the case out - which does NOT mean that Omar is now a free man, of course not ... Looks like the prosecution will be going back to do a little more improvising, seeing if they can get it right ...


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Subject: RE: BS: Omar Khadr
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 05 Jun 07 - 04:59 PM

And Bushboy censures Russia for its attitudes on human rights.


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Subject: RE: BS: Omar Khadr
From: Peace
Date: 05 Jun 07 - 05:00 PM

If Harper's office responds to my e-mail, I will post the response here. Don't hold yer breath.


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Subject: RE: BS: Omar Khadr
From: GUEST,meself
Date: 05 Jun 07 - 05:42 PM

Good on ya, Peace. The silence of the Canadian government on this is disgraceful.


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Subject: RE: BS: Omar Khadr
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 05 Jun 07 - 06:19 PM

When you are living in a country and it gets invaded how can it be a crime to fight the invaders?


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Subject: RE: BS: Omar Khadr
From: GUEST,meself
Date: 05 Jun 07 - 06:27 PM

It's not just a crime - it's a WAR crime. Apparently. This kid at fifteen was right up there with Goerring, Himmler, Hess, et al.


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Subject: RE: BS: Omar Khadr
From: bobad
Date: 05 Jun 07 - 06:31 PM

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The term unlawful combatant (also unlawful enemy combatant or unprivileged combatant/belligerent) denotes a person denied the privileges of prisoner of war (POW) designation, in accordance with the Geneva Conventions; one to whom protection is recognised as due is a lawful or privileged combatant.[1] Once a combatant is found by a competent tribunal to be an unlawful combatant, he or she ("he") no longer has the rights and privileges accorded to a POW, but he retains all the rights any other civilian would have under municipal and international law in the same situation.[2]

Article 5 of the GCIII states that the status of detainee may be determined by a "competent tribunal". Until such time, he is to be treated as a prisoner of war.[3] After a "competent tribunal" has determined his status, the "Detaining Power" may choose to accord the detained unlawful combatant the rights and privileges of the POW, as described in the Third Geneva Convention, but is not required to do so. An unlawful combatant who is not a national of a neutral State, and who is not a national of a co-belligerent State, retains rights and privileges under the Fourth Geneva Convention so that he must be "treated with humanity and, in case of trial, shall not be deprived of the rights of fair and regular trial".[4]


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Subject: RE: BS: Omar Khadr
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 05 Jun 07 - 07:04 PM

Article 5 of the GCIII states that the status of detainee may be determined by a "competent tribunal". Until such time, he is to be treated as a prisoner of war.

Isn't it some kind of criminal offence to be in flagrant breach of the Geneva Conventions? Any chance of a citizen's arrest?


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Subject: RE: BS: Omar Khadr
From: Peace
Date: 06 Jun 07 - 12:22 PM

Received this today:

"On behalf of the Right Honourable Stephen Harper, I would like to thank
you for your e-mail, in which you raised an issue which falls within
the portfolio of the Honourable Peter MacKay, Minister of Foreign
Affairs. The Prime Minister always appreciates receiving mail on subjects of
importance to Canadians.

Please be assured that the statements you made have been carefully
reviewed. I have taken the liberty of forwarding your e-mail to Minister
MacKay so that he too may be made aware of your comments. I am certain
that the Minister will give your views every consideration."


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Subject: RE: BS: Omar Khadr
From: GUEST,dianavan
Date: 06 Jun 07 - 12:51 PM

There is far more to this story. Most Canadians know of the Khadr family who are often referred to as Canada's first family of Radical Islam. The charges against Omar were apparently dropped on a technicality. I'm sure they will not let him off easily.

Its the typical David and Goliath story. The U.S. has been after this family for a very long time. I'm sure they will continue to be harassed for their beliefs. I have to agree with the mother who wonders why the U.S. has never been tried for their crimes.

On the other hand - They are very radical and all we can hope for is a fair trial. Perhaps the real question would be: Is a 15 year old boy responsible for his actions when it was his father and most of his family who urged him to do so? What choice did he have?


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Subject: RE: BS: Omar Khadr
From: pdq
Date: 06 Jun 07 - 01:41 PM

this is a bit long, but informative:

                                                   Khadr family


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Subject: RE: BS: Omar Khadr
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 06 Jun 07 - 04:01 PM

But what's it got to do with the USA anyway? So far as I can see, the only reason for suggesting that the boy did anything illegal in taking part in fighting against invaders in Afghanistan would be on the grounds that he was technically a Canadian citizen, and that Canada was one of the countries involved in the invasion.

That's a matter for Canada perhaps, but hardly for the USA.


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Subject: RE: BS: Omar Khadr
From: GUEST,meself
Date: 06 Jun 07 - 04:17 PM

The family is beside the point. Who likes'm? I don't. I also don't like the policies that make people like them able to get Canadian citizenship so easily. But the fact is that they ARE Canadian citizens, and that gives them the right to rant and babble any time a microphone gets shoved at them.

And it's not the family facing charges of committing war crimes and terrorism - it's a 20-year-old Canadian citizen who's been locked up in Club Git since he was 15.


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Subject: RE: BS: Omar Khadr
From: GUEST,meself
Date: 06 Jun 07 - 04:19 PM

(Peace: At least you got a response. I suppose you can't expect much more ... )


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Subject: RE: BS: Omar Khadr
From: Peace
Date: 06 Jun 07 - 04:35 PM

I expect a friggin' answer. I'll let ya know what MacKay has to say. I would pre-write it, but hey, we might be in for a surprise.

"In response to your erudite observations (BTW, meself, I quoted YOU exactly) the Government of Canada wishes to inform you that we are presently engaged in talks with the USA concerning the dastardly imprisonment of a Canadian national. We will not accept anything but the release to Canadian custody of Omar Khadr. If the US persists in what has just become the illegal imprisonment of one of our citizens, we shall have no option but to withdraw our ambassador and cease forthwith all friendly interaction with the United States."

*************************************************

(I did lots of things I shouldn't have in the '60s.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Omar Khadr
From: Peace
Date: 11 Jun 07 - 04:12 PM

No answer yet.


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Subject: RE: BS: Omar Khadr
From: GUEST,meself
Date: 11 Jun 07 - 04:43 PM

Keep us posted!


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Subject: RE: BS: Omar Khadr
From: Peace
Date: 11 Jun 07 - 04:53 PM

Don't hold yer breath. This is Ottawa we're talkin' about. They are still trying to recall that income tax was a temporary measure brought in in 1917 to help the war effort. Hell, they must think the war is still going on!


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Subject: RE: BS: Omar Khadr
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 11 Jun 07 - 05:52 PM

The war is always going on. The enemy changes from time to time, that's all.


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Subject: RE: BS: Omar Khadr
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 Jun 07 - 07:22 PM

Excellent point, McGrath. That is the truth. The enemy changes from time to time.


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Subject: RE: BS: Omar Khadr
From: Peace
Date: 12 Jun 07 - 10:06 AM

Still no word. I'll give it until Friday and e-mail the message to his office. I want a freakin' answer from my GD government.


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Subject: RE: BS: Omar Khadr
From: Peace
Date: 30 Jun 07 - 03:50 PM

Finally heard back. Here is the response from Canada's Minister of Foreign Affairs.

"The Office of the Right Honourable Stephen Harper, Prime Minister, has
forwarded to me your email of June 5, 2007, regarding the detainees at
Guantanamo Bay, more particularly the case of Mr. Omar Khadr.

The Government of Canada is very concerned by allegations of the
mistreatment of detainees at Guantanamo Bay and other U.S. detention
facilities abroad. The Canadian government has underscored that serious
allegations and evidence of mistreatment should be fully investigated
in
all cases and the alleged perpetrators of any crimes brought to
justice.


Canada has sought and received renewed assurances from the United
States
that the detainees are being treated humanely. The Canadian government
will continue to stress with the United States the need to ensure that
the military commissions meet international protections and standards
of
due process.

Mr. Khadr is a Canadian citizen and as such the Government of Canada
has
an interest in his case and in his treatment. Although Mr. Khadr is no
longer a juvenile, he was fifteen years old when he was alleged to have
committed crimes in Afghanistan. Canada has sought to ensure that the
treatment of Mr. Khadr is consistent with internationally recognized
norms and standards for the treatment of juvenile offenders. We have
also consistently sought to ensure that Mr. Khadr receives the benefits
of due process, including access to Canadian counsel of choice, and
that
his juvenile status at the time the alleged events occurred is
considered. Canadian observers have been present at his hearings before
the Military Commission in Guantanamo Bay. We have received unequivocal
assurances from the U.S. authorities that Mr. Khadr will not be subject
to the death penalty.

Respect for human rights and international law remain fundamental
tenets
of Canadian foreign policy. Thank you for taking the time to write.

Sincerely,"



So, there ya have it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Omar Khadr
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 30 Jun 07 - 05:19 PM

Canada has sought and received renewed assurances from the United
States that the detainees are being treated humanely.


I note they have avoided giving any indication that they actually believe those "renewed assurances".


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Subject: RE: BS: Omar Khadr
From: Peace
Date: 30 Jun 07 - 05:42 PM

Ain't THAT the truth, Kevin.


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Subject: RE: BS: Omar Khadr
From: gnu
Date: 30 Jun 07 - 06:21 PM

Scuse me? I know I just woke up after an exquuuuuisite nap after a day of yardwork and alcohol, but, SCUSE ME?

This was not some poor uneducated farmer kid in the backlands who was taught that the Yanks are bad invaders out to rape and kill. This was an educated Canuck from a well-to-do family who knew exactly what he was doing when he decided to go half way round the world and throw grenades.

And, how did he get there and why?

And before I get all the PM's and the weens, no, I don't agree with what Canada is doing. I'd pull out the troops out and apologize profusely to the Afghanistan people. Offer whatever reparations that could barely start to make amends. But, as for that little prick and his family... a one way ticket back home is almost too good.


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Subject: RE: BS: Omar Khadr
From: Peace
Date: 30 Jun 07 - 07:24 PM

I DO agree with what Canada is doing both in Afghanistan and with regard to "this little prick" who is a Canadian citizen. I don't know why you have decided he's guilty. But our government IS trying to ensure he receives a fair trial and that he is treated humanely and fairly until such time as his guilt is established, if indeed it is. Until then, he's an innocent guy in an American jail.


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Subject: RE: BS: Omar Khadr
From: GUEST,A Benevolent Yet Condescending Presence
Date: 30 Jun 07 - 08:09 PM

"I don't know why you have decided he's guilty...Until then, he's an innocent guy in an American jail."

That's it in a nutshell.


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Subject: RE: BS: Omar Khadr
From: gnu
Date: 30 Jun 07 - 08:23 PM

Okay. I get it. The letter of the law. All powerful IF AND WHEN respected.

I stand corrected.

My apologies.

slinkingawaygnu


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Subject: RE: BS: Omar Khadr
From: gnu
Date: 30 Jun 07 - 08:37 PM

Now.... here is Wildebeeste's thoughts..... if I had been there when he allegedly was about to throw the grenade, I'd a filled the air with lead and shot the fucker dead. Right? Wrong? It's war.

You don't like the war.... you go after the poliicians. You fight the war, you go after the enemy. And if they are one of your own, rough ass. Not guilty? Are you fucking serious?


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Subject: RE: BS: Omar Khadr
From: Peace
Date: 30 Jun 07 - 08:48 PM

I rather thought that maybe a trial would determine that, Gnu.


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Subject: RE: BS: Omar Khadr
From: John O'L
Date: 01 Jul 07 - 12:15 AM

"...was captured on the field of battle in Afghanistan, allegedly after having killed an American medic by hand-grenade..."
So who is doing the alleging? The US military? Hardly a reliable source of information, but then I don't know his family.

When David Hicks was in Guantanamo Bay, Australian Prime Minister John Howard said "He doesn't seem like a very nice sort of person..," or something very similar, and so the Prime Ministerial gavel fell and the Aust. government washed its hands.
I guess this Khadr guy doens't seem very nice either...


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Subject: RE: BS: Omar Khadr
From: GUEST,dianavan
Date: 01 Jul 07 - 12:31 PM

Here's my best guess.

I think he did throw the grenade.

However, he was a brainwashed by his family and sent to Afghanistan to fight the invaders.

So, how guilty is a 15 year old? Did he ever have a chance to make up his own mind? Parental pressure seems to play a very big role in this case.

Five years in Gitmo is probably more punishment than a fifteen year old would receive in Canada or the U.S.

Just an observation from the peanut gallery.


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Subject: RE: BS: Omar Khadr
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 01 Jul 07 - 01:28 PM

You fight the war, you go after the enemy. And if they are one of your own, rough ass.

Isn't that just what young Omar Khadr is alleged to have done?


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Subject: RE: BS: Omar Khadr
From: gnu
Date: 01 Jul 07 - 02:09 PM

Ya know... I have posted to few threads like this in a fairly long time. I thought the breathalizer on my keyboard was working well. Obviously, something is wrong with it, or with me (beat ya to it!).

Anyway, I did. So... a trial? For a prisoner of war? That's rich. Especially the part where, if he is found guilty, he doesn't get what he derserves. Either he is a prisoner of war or he is tried for murder. Take your pick.

And, what about the parents? Did they actually "pressure" him to take part? Fund him? Send him? If so, why are they not on trial for corrupting a minor?

US military is not a reliable source of info? Yeah, right. Like the US troops fabricated the story so they could imprison a 15 year old kid and spend a whack of money on keeping him.

Anyway. I should have never posted. I apologize.... especially to me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Omar Khadr
From: GUEST,dianavan
Date: 01 Jul 07 - 07:49 PM

I don't think he can be tried as a prisoner of war. Thats why I ask what the penalty would be for a fifteen year old convicted of murder. He'll probably get off with time spent.

...and yes. His parents did encourage him, fund him and send him. In fact, these parents all but brainwashed their children with jihad. I think they should be charged with reckless endangerment.


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Subject: RE: BS: Omar Khadr
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 01 Jul 07 - 08:31 PM

If you invade a country you expect the inhabitants to fight back. That's what Omar Khadr is accused of doing. Civilised countries don't put captured prisoners on trial for that, let alone holding them prisoner for five years before putting them on trial - and then continuing to hold them prisoner after the judge has thrown out the case.


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Subject: RE: BS: Omar Khadr
From: Peace
Date: 01 Jul 07 - 08:32 PM

Cops of the World
By Phil Ochs


E         A          E    A
Come, get out of the way, boys
E          A          E E7
Quick, get out of the way
G            C             G    C
You'd better watch what you say, boys
G      C             B7
Better watch what you say
      E                         A
We've rammed in your harbor and tied to your port
       E                         A
And our pistols are hungry and our tempers are short
    E          B7       E             A    G#m         A
So bring your daughters around to the port
       B7                   E
'Cause we're the Cops of the World, boys
B7                   E
We're the Cops of the World

We pick and choose as please, boys
Pick and choose as please
You'd best get down on your knees, boys
Best get down on your knees
We're hairy and horny and ready to shack
We don't care if you're yellow or black
Just take off your clothes and lie down on your back
'Cause we're the Cops of the World, boys
We're the Cops of the World

Our boots are needing a shine, boys
Boots are needing a shine
But our Coca-cola is fine, boys
Coca-cola is fine
We've got to protect all our citizens fair
So we'll send a battalion for everyone there
And maybe we'll leave in a couple of years
'Cause we're the Cops of the World, boys
We're the Cops of the World

Dump the reds in a pile, boys
Dump the reds in a pile
You'd better wipe of that smile, boys
Better wipe off that smile
We'll spit through the streets of the cities we wreck
We'll find you a leader that you can't elect
Those treaties we sighned were a pain in the neck
'Cause we're the Cops of the World, boys
We're the Cops of the World

Clean the johns with a rag, boys
Clean the johns with a rag
If you like you can use your flag, boys
If you like you can use your flag
We've got too much money we're looking for toys
And guns will be guns and boys will be boys
But we'll gladly pay for all we destroy
'Cause we're the Cops of the World, boys
We're the Cops of the World

Please stay off of the grass, boys
Please stay off of the grass
Here's a kick in the ass, boys
Here's a kick in the ass
We'll smash down your doors, we don't bother to knock
We've done it before, so why all the shock?
We're the biggest and toughest kids on the block
'Cause we're the Cops of the World, boys
We're the Cops of the World

When we butchered your son, boys
When we butchered your son
Have a stick of our gum, boys
Have a stick of our buble-gum
We own half the world, oh say can you see
The name for our profits is democracy
So, like it or not, you will have to be free
'Cause we're the Cops of the World, boys
We're the Cops of the World


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Subject: RE: BS: Omar Khadr
From: GUEST,dianavan
Date: 02 Jul 07 - 03:17 AM

Omar Khadr was a Canadian who went to another country to fight against Canadian and U.S. forces (NATO too). Its not as if he was fighting for his country. He was sent there to do exactly what he did, kill the infidel.

It an odd case. I forgot the judge had thrown it out. In that case he should be sent home. Five years in Gitmo is enough punishment.

I hope he learned his lesson but, unfortunately, that would mean he would have to forsake his family's values. I doubt very much if that is going to happen.


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Subject: RE: BS: Omar Khadr
From: fumblefingers
Date: 02 Jul 07 - 08:23 PM

Hi citizenship hardly matters. If the lad was in Canada rather than throwing grenades in Afghanistan, he wouldn't be in the can.


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Subject: RE: BS: Omar Khadr
From: Peace
Date: 02 Jul 07 - 09:31 PM

He shouldn't be in the can because the case was tossed out by the judge.


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Subject: RE: BS: Omar Khadr
From: gnu
Date: 05 Jul 07 - 03:28 PM

OH MY! I can't believe this!


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Subject: RE: BS: Omar Khadr
From: gnu
Date: 05 Jul 07 - 03:37 PM

"....ending the mission as scheduled in February 2009...."

Scheduled? WTF? Maybe we could give the people of Afghanistan and the Canuck widows the fucking schedule as well?

Sweet Jaysus! What is wrong with these guys?

If they are battle training troops and field testing weapons on a schedule, perhaps.... arrrggggghhhhh... sorry... I am doing it again. I really have to stop.


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Subject: RE: BS: Omar Khadr
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 05 Jul 07 - 04:28 PM

I think he was about 11 when he last lived in Canada. Fifteen when he got captured.

That's an issue for Canada maybe, but what has it got to do with the USA?


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Subject: RE: BS: Omar Khadr
From: GUEST,dianavan
Date: 05 Jul 07 - 05:12 PM

McGrath - I guess you are unaware of the fact that Stephen Harper (PM) is another lapdog of Bush. If the U.S. says they will be the decider, Harper will roll-over and play dead. Khadr should be returned to Canada immediately but I don't think Canada wants to deal with the issue of young men being sent to other countries to fight the infidel. Just the same, he was a Canadian kid who was heavily influenced by his family and his age should be taken into account - something that Canada is more willing to consider than the U.S.

gnu - I understand why you are frustrated with the term 'schedule' but if the other NATO countries understand that our time and resources are limited, they may come forward to play a more significant role in Afghanistan. It seems to me that Canada has been requesting more NATO troops for a long time with little or no response. Its a big job and Canada cannot do it alone. Its another case of being dragged into a war that was started by the U.S.


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Subject: RE: BS: Omar Khadr
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 05 Jul 07 - 05:37 PM

I'm aware that presidents and prime ministers of satellite states generally roll over when their masters tell them to.

But I'm puzzled why the USA would see this as any if their business.   When you invade a country you expect to get people fighting you, why would it make any difference if this foreign kid was Afghan or Canadian? It might make a difference to Canada, but why to the USA?


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Subject: RE: BS: Omar Khadr
From: Peace
Date: 05 Jul 07 - 06:16 PM

The US would have an interest because the grenade was tossed at a US soldier. Also, the US is not there on its own hook. The Afghanistan 'campaign' is a NATO operation. The kid committed treason. At least in Canadian terms. That siad, the US is holding a Canadian national illegally. I for one want him released to Canadian authorities. A US judge has already tossed the case OUT!.


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Subject: RE: BS: Omar Khadr
From: gnu
Date: 05 Jul 07 - 06:57 PM

Hmmmm.... now I see.... through the fog. I understand your point of view now Peace.


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Subject: RE: BS: Omar Khadr
From: GUEST,meself
Date: 05 Jul 07 - 07:28 PM

I don't think the US is holding him because of any perceived treachery to the US/Cda/NATO coalition - they're holding him because he killed one of their guys and they caught him, plain and simple. They won't accept that it was a legitimate act of war within a war.

All of which makes me wonder - how many members of the Hitler Youth spent five years in POW camps? There must have been a few of them that killed Allied soldiers. In fact, Gunter Grass, in a recent New Yorker article, talked about having participated in the destruction of a Canadian bomber, presumably killing the crew, in his days with the Hitler Youth. Should we go after him?


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Subject: RE: BS: Omar Khadr
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 05 Jul 07 - 07:35 PM

"...in Canadian terms". Precisely.

So why should this be of any interest to the USA. True enough, he is said to have tossed a grenade as a US soldier - but that's what happens in wars. A good few US soldiers have been killed. When you invade a foreign country, some foreign people are going to throw grenades at you and do stuff like that. What difference does it make what their nationality is, when that nationality isn't your own?

Set aside the issues of right and wrong and justice and all that. I'm just puzzled as to the motivation.


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Subject: RE: BS: Omar Khadr
From: Peace
Date: 05 Jul 07 - 07:37 PM

The motivation regarding what, McG of H?


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Subject: RE: BS: Omar Khadr
From: Peace
Date: 05 Jul 07 - 07:46 PM

If you meant Omar's motivation--read this study in how to screw up a kid!


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Subject: RE: BS: Omar Khadr
From: GUEST,dianavan
Date: 06 Jul 07 - 01:29 PM

Just google Omar Khadr or the name of his brother who was a CIA operative if you want to know the whole story. Its very twisted.

Omar is a Canadian kid who is entitled to the same protection as any Canadian kid. He should not have spent five years in Gitmo. He should have been apprehended according to the child endangerment act and given protection. He should be returned to Canada immediately and the U.S. should be strongly condemned for torturing a kid. He may have committed treason but does a fifteen year old kid know what treason is? Does a fifteen year old have any choice if his parents are radical fundamentalists?   

If you believe the news, they have lost a father, one son is a parapelegic due to military involvement, one son became a CIA operative, another son ran an al qaeda training camp and Omar was in Gitmo for five years for killing an American soldier. Canada does not 'want' this kid, they do want him to obtain Canadian justice, not American justice. He's a Canadian citizen.


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Subject: RE: BS: Omar Khadr
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 06 Jul 07 - 04:29 PM

I mean, the motivation of the US authorities in holding on to him, rather than letting him go or maybe handing him over to the Canadians five years ago.


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Subject: RE: BS: Omar Khadr
From: Peace
Date: 06 Jul 07 - 05:40 PM

I have no idea about that, Kevin.


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Subject: RE: BS: Omar Khadr
From: GUEST,meself
Date: 06 Jul 07 - 06:37 PM

I do: vindictiveness. Bloody-mindedness. Spite.


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Subject: RE: BS: Omar Khadr
From: John O'L
Date: 06 Jul 07 - 11:22 PM

They want confessions. They want to be able to show that they are getting results.


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Subject: RE: BS: Omar Khadr
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 07 Jul 07 - 07:44 AM

They are getting results all right - bombs in London and more US and UK soldiers killed yesterday in Iraq, scores more Iraqis killed in a car bomb, more dead in Afghanistan...


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Subject: RE: BS: Omar Khadr
From: bobad
Date: 29 Sep 12 - 10:10 AM

Omar Khadr returns to Canada

"Public Safety Minister Vic Toews says Omar Khadr left the U.S. naval base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba early Saturday and was flown to Canadian Forces Base Trenton before being transferred to a maximum-security prison in eastern Ontario.

Toews says Khadr arrived in Trenton, Ont., at 7:40 a.m. ET and was taken to the Millhaven Institution in Bath, Ont., to serve the balance of his sentence for war crimes."

CBC News


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Subject: RE: BS: Omar Khadr
From: GUEST,999
Date: 29 Sep 12 - 11:32 AM

From Correctional Service Canada:

MILLHAVEN INSTITUTION
Bath, Ontario

About the Institution

Millhaven Institution is a maximum security facility located in Bath, Ontario. The Institution opened in 1971 and can accommodate up to 413 inmates.

Inmates are housed in three residential style living units.

Upgrading classes and a program for acquiring psychosocial skills (Reasoning and Rehabilitation) are provided to inmates at Millhaven Institution.

Facility Characteristics

Institution for male offenders
Security level: maximum
Date opened: 1971
Number of inmates: 525
Average length of sentences:
Less than 40 months: 41 per cent of inmates
40 months and over: 42 per cent of inmates
Life sentences:        17 per cent of inmates
Number of employees: 412
April 2010

*This information has been provided by an external source. Although every effort has been made to ensure the accuracy, the currency and the reliability of the content, the Correctional Service of Canada does not offer any guaranty in that regard.

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Subject: RE: BS: Omar Khadr
From: meself
Date: 30 Sep 12 - 10:58 AM

Good news that he's getting out of Guantanamo, anyway.


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