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Subject: Tech: Digital Camera Memory Card From: SINSULL Date: 27 May 07 - 08:07 PM I finally replaced my lost Digital Camera. Took me a year to figure it out and I lost it. Now I have a Kodak. I inserted a SunDisk memory card (recommended) but get a message that the card is not formatted. How do I format it? Help before I throw it and the camera and possible the computer out the window. SINS |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Digital Camera Memory Card From: Jeri Date: 27 May 07 - 08:22 PM Go to your camera's menu - it should have a 'Format' option. That's how mine does it, anyway. If you get stuck, I've found these digital cameras, as well as many other devices, often come with something referred to as an 'Owner's Manual' and directions can be found in there. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Digital Camera Memory Card From: GUEST,Bardford Date: 27 May 07 - 08:23 PM I wouldn't throw the camera out the window just yet. You should be able to format the card using the camera menu. On some cameras ( not sure about yours ) you press the 'menu' button on the back which brings up a list on the camera screen. Perhaps a picture of tools or some such. Use the little scroll wheel dealy to navigate around the menu until you find the 'format card?' option. There should be a yes/no option. What is the model number of the camera? |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Digital Camera Memory Card From: JohnInKansas Date: 27 May 07 - 08:26 PM SINS - The procedure is pretty much common to most cameras, but the details can vary. The best method, disgusting as it may seem, is to RTFM and follow the directions. If you didn't save the Barring success with that, the only advice I can offer is to start punching buttons until you see something like "menu" and/or "setup" come up, and then look for somethat that might mean "format." The proliferation of incomprehensible "universal symbols" that mean something only in some other universe may call for some guesswork. It's unlikely you can harm the camera, and if the card is unformatted you don't have pictures on it to lose ...(?). In most cases, you can put the card into a "card reader" and use your computer to format the card, if software for doing that came with the camera; but multiple commentaries I've seen recommend that you should always FORMAT THE CARD IN THE CAMERA you'll use it in. The advice wasn't specific to Kodak, but seems to be a consensus for cameras and camera cards in general. Before doing anything drastic though, remove and replace the card carefully and make sure that it's properly seated in its socket, and make sure that batteries are properly and fully charged, since either can make it look like the memory isn't ready to go. A specific model number for your Kodak might raise the odds that someone can be more specific about instructions. John |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Digital Camera Memory Card From: JohnInKansas Date: 27 May 07 - 08:28 PM Talk about multiple cross-postings. You guys all type too fast. John |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Digital Camera Memory Card From: Jeri Date: 27 May 07 - 08:37 PM Well, John, you write these posts full of helpful details, and those of us who write more sparsely are gonna beat you, although I DID add a sisterly snottiness to mine that yours lacked. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Digital Camera Memory Card From: SINSULL Date: 27 May 07 - 08:39 PM Nothing in the owner's manual. Nothing on line. But after pushing numerous sensitive buttons that kept going back to the main menu, I think I have it formatted. Why can't they make a simple vamera that you point and shoot? |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Digital Camera Memory Card From: SINSULL Date: 27 May 07 - 08:40 PM camera, I mean. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Digital Camera Memory Card From: SINSULL Date: 27 May 07 - 09:12 PM My HP had a wheel and was easy to control. This has a button that is also a joy stick. Very sensitive and I am somewhat heavy handed. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Digital Camera Memory Card From: Bob Bolton Date: 27 May 07 - 09:21 PM G'day Sins... Several of these technical types have asked what model number ... That should be engraved on the front - and doesn't require you to RT(F)M! Regard(les)s, Bob (currently walking about with a Kodak Z730 ... for those moments when I don't have a "real camera".) |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Digital Camera Memory Card From: JohnInKansas Date: 27 May 07 - 09:23 PM SINSULL - Those controls are all designed to be intuitively obvious, clearly understandable, and absolutely immune to error. The only problem is that you have to suffer from the same mental limitations, delusions and instabilities as the IDIOT who decided which ones to put on your camera. Listen to that iPod long enough, with all the popular downloads, watch enough cable TV, go to a few really popular movies, and it will all be crystal clear. Oh yeah, like, ya' 'no and like play some games ... John |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Digital Camera Memory Card From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 27 May 07 - 09:33 PM I have an old box Kodak that belonged to my father, when he was a child. One had to unhook the back and load a roll of film by inserting its tongue in a roller, close the back and wind until a number '1' showed in a little red window. (The camera was now formatted). Point at a stationary object (or scene) and click the shutter, if there was enough light. Wind the film between exposures and watch the number in the little red window- and then rewind the roll at the end and tape it so it wouldn't unwind. Only eight pictures to the roll if I remember correctly. Take the roll to the drugstore and they would get the film developed and printed for you. Black and white only. Simpler? Well, maybe. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Digital Camera Memory Card From: Joe Offer Date: 27 May 07 - 09:44 PM It's fun to explore the menus on a digital camera. I changed the settings on mine so that it barked whenever I took a picture. It sounded just like my dog, Ralph, and it was a comfort to me when I missed him when I was traveling. I changed it back to a "click" when the message got through to me that my friends and relations thought it was obnoxious. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Digital Camera Memory Card From: JohnInKansas Date: 27 May 07 - 10:14 PM Joe - We already knew that you have a lot better camera than I do. I've inspected all the settings on mine carefully, and it will not bark. About the closest I can come is when I download the stuff to the computer and start looking at it, when frequently it makes me whimper a little like a hungry puppydog. Photos can be treasured though. The local newsrag printed one of mine today, that I took 'way back when film was still useful, and it resulted in a call from an old acquaintance and a four-hour conversation about all the friends we used to share back when the subject (Martina Schiff at a 1984 Christmas party) was a little kid. Unfortunately, about half the mutual friends we had are no longer with us... John |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Digital Camera Memory Card From: SINSULL Date: 27 May 07 - 11:37 PM Mine will bark but I choose not to allow it. SIGH! |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Digital Camera Memory Card From: nutty Date: 28 May 07 - 12:18 AM I recently bought a Kodak Digital. The user manual that comes with the camera is very basic so I downloaded the complete version from here ..... CLICK which tells me pretty much everything I need to know. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Digital Camera Memory Card From: nutty Date: 28 May 07 - 12:25 AM Just as an example ... I have a Z710 and the info about formatting comes in Chapter4 under 'Customising your Camera' SEE HERE |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Digital Camera Memory Card From: nutty Date: 28 May 07 - 12:40 AM Hope all this helps Sinsull ... but all formatting means is that you have to tell the camera to SAVE images to the SD Card rather than to the internal memory. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Digital Camera Memory Card From: Stilly River Sage Date: 28 May 07 - 02:00 AM I hope this is a durable link: I'm using the Canon EOS 30 at work, and love it. I wish I had the cash to buy one for myself. I know how to do all sorts of things with a SLR film camera, and I'm gradually finding the digital versions of the ISO stuff I'm used to. Meanwhile, the programmed mode covers pretty much everything. For a couple of years now my personal camera is a little Nikon Coolpix 5.0. It's slower than the Canon, but it takes wonderful shots and does an excellent job on very close closeups. It fits easily into my shoulder bag. SRS |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Digital Camera Memory Card From: JohnInKansas Date: 28 May 07 - 03:09 AM nutty - It depends some on the camera, but generally, most of the memory cards in common use (CF or later specs) are the logical equivalent of an ATA Hard Drive, but with no spinning rotors. Any of the various kinds of formats and/or partitions that can be done to a Hard Drive can be done on a "memory stick" or other plug-in solid state memory device. It's not recommended that you try to get "fancy" with the stick you use in your camera, although some people do play tricks with them. To be seen as "formatted" by the device you stick them in, there has to be an LBA (Logical Block Address) Table somewhere within the card memory or in an intimately associated "controller." In some cameras, with some memory cards, loss of format was reported as a fairly frequent problem, and "recovery programs" are available for getting the pictures off a memory card that's "lost the format." Lost format usually means the LBA Table has been corrupted. (WinXP Pro has a built in recovery module that sometimes can recover a corrupted Hard Drive LBA, although I don't know how well it works through USB.) There's been much less call for help with this recently, and it's likely that memory cards now are much more resistant to this kind of confusion. Formatting the card in the camera erases all the information on the card (Writes "FF" to all byte positions) and also writes a "clean" LBA to the card, just as when you format a hard drive. As an example of what can be done with a memory card, try The CD Forum: How to make a USB Stick bootable for XP. (This should work for other OS versions, but will need some adjustments.) Many cases of "memory not formatted" are just a matter of seating the memory securely in the camera or cleaning the contacts, but it is a good idea to know how to do a format in your own camera - just in case. You may never need to do it, but knowing it's not a really mysterious process should be reassuring. Note that, as with any memory device, Format DELETES ALL EXISTING INFORMATION. John |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Digital Camera Memory Card From: nutty Date: 28 May 07 - 04:25 AM Yes John - I am aware of all that but I was referring to the specific request in this thread. If Sinsull has put the SD card into her camera without changing the customisation - which seemed to have happened - then she would get (as I did) the 'card not formatted message'. If she has done all that then either the card or the camera is faulty. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Digital Camera Memory Card From: SINSULL Date: 28 May 07 - 10:06 AM New camera; new card. Once I was able to control the button/joy stick, I was able to scroll down (with much difficulty) to find the formatting option. The process took all of one second. But it is good to know that reformatting means losing all memory on the card. I will find manual on line for the C875. The super basic manual is near useless. Thanks, all. Mary |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Digital Camera Memory Card From: GUEST,Shimrod Date: 29 May 07 - 05:21 AM "Why can't they make a simple camera that you point and shoot?" They do and Canon make them. I've got 3 Canon cameras (an SLR and 2 compacts). They all do 'point-and-shoot' - but you can take much better pictures if you read the manuals and master the controls (which even I have been able to do - with the minimum of head-scratching and swearing!). |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Digital Camera Memory Card From: Rowan Date: 29 May 07 - 07:27 PM The concept of making your camera bark never occurred to me, Joe. Fascinating! I'm reminded of the lyrebirds at Sherbrooke Forest, which for those of you outside Oz, is a reasonably sized patch of Wet Sclerophyll Forest at the eastern edge of Melbourne's suburbs, just walking distance from the train terminal and thus often visited by people wanting to walk in some "typical" old forest. If you're quiet and lucky you'll see a lyrebird. Lyrebirds are superb imitators of sounds, originally calls of other birds, but they do barking dogs, chainsaws and other things as well. David Attenborough included a clip of one that had been photographed so often that it could do the Compur shutter, the focal plane shutter and the motorised film rewind (back into the cassette); all to perfection. It might be a good idea, Joe, not to use your barking dog setting on your camera when you visit. You've inspired me though. When my daughters come back from Sydney, I'm going to get them to program my mobile phone with them in unison saying "Dad! Answer the phone!" when they ring me. And a single call of the banjo frog when anyone else calls. Cheers, Rowan |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Digital Camera Memory Card From: open mike Date: 29 May 07 - 09:55 PM as you discovered, "formatting" is sort of like erasing.. if there are any images on there you want to down load them to your computer (or wherever you save them) BEFORE you format it. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Digital Camera Memory Card From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca Date: 29 May 07 - 10:09 PM I've used several Kodak digital cameras over the years. Just replaced my stolen Z740 with the Z710. I haven't checked the CD that came with it yet, but I thought the manual (full one) came on the CD that came with the camera? Glad you sorted out the formatting. I'm still curious as to which Kodak you got? Is it that C875 you mentioned? If so... |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Digital Camera Memory Card From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca Date: 29 May 07 - 10:15 PM And it's available as a PDF file too |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Digital Camera Memory Card From: Bob Bolton Date: 29 May 07 - 10:38 PM G'day Rowan, "... program my mobile phone ... And a single call of the banjo frog when anyone else calls." Is that the one I would call the "pobblebonk"? I remeber them sounding like a round stone dropped straight into deep water: "... blonk! ...". I guess that also sounds like a clear single note on a banjo: "... plonk! ...". Regards, Bob |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Digital Camera Memory Card From: Rowan Date: 29 May 07 - 11:55 PM The call of the mating banjo frog (Limnodynastes dorsalis) is...........,perhaps predictably, Bonk! Bonk! Bonk! with each "Bonk!" usually separated by a bit of recovery time. But winos often pronounce the call as "Plonk!", so you've got it. Cheers, Rowan |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Digital Camera Memory Card From: Bob Bolton Date: 30 May 07 - 02:08 AM Err... yeah! Rowan - I see that the pobblebonk is, indeed, Limnodynastes dorsalis or Limnodynastes dumerilii. I don't know which of those I heard around Glen Innes ... but it carried well along the creeks, on a still Spring night! Regards, Bob (and I suppose that if I hung around bends in a creek ... calling out "Bonk?) ... I would need at least one alias!) |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Digital Camera Memory Card From: GUEST,Black Hawk at work Date: 30 May 07 - 07:49 AM Kodak digitals have always been noted for their very clear & readable user menus as compared to other makes. I have three (different models) & they are much better than my Casio, Canon or Fujii for ease of settings. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Digital Camera Memory Card From: nutty Date: 30 May 07 - 10:26 AM I found the online manual and interactive tutorials very useful in showing what everything was and what it did. Saved hours of frustration and trial and error. As a result I have just put my first batch of photos onto the computer and I am delighted with them. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Digital Camera Memory Card From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 30 May 07 - 12:55 PM A manual can be terrible if it is written by some foreigner who thinks he knows English. Germans used to be bad. I remember equipment from Leitz (Leica cameras and much other equipment); the instructions were guaranteed to increase your blood pressure. With the German manual and the aid of dictionaries we figured out what to do. Now, when a new piece of equipment arrives, unpacking procedure is- 1. Throw out the manual. 2. Throw out that card they give you to register the product, otherwise your email and in-basket will fill up (your receipt of purchase is your guarantee). 3. Throw out that little silvery disc. It could garbage up your computer. 4. Take the filled memory card to the photostore to get prints (hmmm, used to do that with film). |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Digital Camera Memory Card From: M.Ted Date: 30 May 07 - 03:59 PM Here are some reasons not to do the things on your list, Q: 1.Don't throw out the manual-it tells you how to switch the camera back to snapshot mode when pops into high resolution movie mode-- 2. Don't throw out the registration card, or you won't be able to update the software so that it doesn't pop into high resolution movie mode-- 3. Don't throw out the the little silvery disc(k), it has the program that lets you watch the high resolution movies. 4. Don't take the filled memory card to the photo store for prints, because they will burn the high resolution movies to DVD and charge you $25 each. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Digital Camera Memory Card From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 30 May 07 - 04:32 PM Gee, Ted. Now I'll throw out the camera just to be safe. |
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