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Subject: BS: Welsh get free prescriptions Why ? UK From: Rasener Date: 01 Apr 07 - 03:04 PM What the hell is going on. The Welsh get free prescriptions and the English have to pay £6.35 or something like that. Who is going to pay the bill for that? I hope its not England. I wouldn't mind if we got free prescriptions in England as well. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Welsh get free prescriptions Why ? UK From: bobad Date: 01 Apr 07 - 03:13 PM In reality the prescriptions are not "free", they are paid out of tax money, the difference lies in the way different jurisdictions choose to spend their tax dollars. Start a movement to petition your government to provide it's citizens with taxpayer subsidized prescriptions. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Welsh get free prescriptions Why ? UK From: John MacKenzie Date: 01 Apr 07 - 03:15 PM They have an election coming up, that might just be cogent. Giok [Cynical moi?] |
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Subject: RE: BS: Welsh get free prescriptions Why ? UK From: fat B****rd Date: 01 Apr 07 - 03:22 PM Actually, Les, English prescriptions are now £6.85. Stay well, fB. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Welsh get free prescriptions Why ? UK From: Rasener Date: 01 Apr 07 - 03:33 PM Thanks FB - I knew it was £6 something. >>In reality the prescriptions are not "free", they are paid out of tax money<< Who's Tax money Bobad? Giok :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Welsh get free prescriptions Why ? UK From: bobad Date: 01 Apr 07 - 03:38 PM The taxpayer's. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Welsh get free prescriptions Why ? UK From: Rasener Date: 01 Apr 07 - 03:41 PM Do I not like this !!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Welsh get free prescriptions Why ? UK From: Bonecruncher Date: 01 Apr 07 - 04:03 PM Don't forget, also, that the Scots get £1500 per capita allowance from taxes on English people! Colyn. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Welsh get free prescriptions Why ? UK From: Peace Date: 01 Apr 07 - 05:27 PM Here's the scoop, Les. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Welsh get free prescriptions Why ? UK From: Peace Date: 01 Apr 07 - 05:33 PM And this also. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Welsh get free prescriptions Why ? UK From: Tootler Date: 01 Apr 07 - 05:40 PM I do not begrudge the Welsh their free prescriptions. I think the price of a prescription is scandalous. Having a wife who has a number of chronic problems, I was disgusted by the amount she had to lay out on prescription charges every month until a side effect of her medication resulted in her being diagnosed with diabetes which entitled her to free prescriptions. Given what we pay in National Insurance I fail to see why we should not all get free prescriptions. Quite frankly Villan, your begrudging the Welsh their free prescriptions in the way you do does you little credit. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Welsh get free prescriptions Why ? UK From: Rasener Date: 01 Apr 07 - 05:51 PM I don't begrudge the Welsh, I am mad that it isn't applied across the UK. There are many people across the UK, who through no fault of their own are ill and having to pay for prescriptions they can't afford, and they have paid into the National Health for many years. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Welsh get free prescriptions Why ? UK From: Crane Driver Date: 01 Apr 07 - 06:30 PM Devolution means that, increasingly, England, Scotland and Wales will do things differently. If it helps, the NHS in England seems to have done a much better job of reducing waiting lists than in Wales, and our Ambulance service lurches from one crisis to another. Different priorities in spending the money. The NHS will never have the funds to do everything it could do, free at the point of delivery. Someone has to make choices. If you need regular prescriptions, you will value getting them free. If you need an ambulance, you'd rather the money was spent on that. Elections are there to let you tell the politicians what you think of the choices they have made. But nothing is really free. Andrew |
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Subject: RE: BS: Welsh get free prescriptions Why ? UK From: GUEST,wordy Date: 01 Apr 07 - 06:53 PM We need a devolved English parliament. The Scots have their own and the Welsh. The Union is being dissolved before our eyes and the English appear to be paying for it. Playing devils advocate, do we need an English National party before the BNP change their name and hijack it for their own evil purposes? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Welsh get free prescriptions Why ? UK From: Llanfair Date: 01 Apr 07 - 07:08 PM You don't have to be Welsh, just live here. Prescriptions were £3 and now they are free. Our nearest big hospital is Shrewsbury, and those of us on the other side of the border can't have our operations until Powys pay their hospital bills. The orthopaedic hospital at Oswestry stopped ops altogether for a while. Oh, and we've little public transport, they are trying to close our library and our post office. Depends what you think is important. The lambs are in the fields, the daffs are out, the hedges are beginning to leaf up....it's fine by me!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Welsh get free prescriptions Why ? UK From: GUEST Date: 01 Apr 07 - 08:58 PM And sheep transmit a lot of diseases. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Welsh get free prescriptions Why ? UK From: puck Date: 01 Apr 07 - 10:34 PM The Welsh get their prescriptions free because we're all 'Bred in Heaven' P |
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Subject: RE: BS: Welsh get free prescriptions Why ? UK From: Rasener Date: 02 Apr 07 - 02:04 AM Puck :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Welsh get free prescriptions Why ? UK From: MBSLynne Date: 02 Apr 07 - 03:09 AM If we got free prescriptions we'd have to pay more somwhere else in the NHS. Hard to find an NHS dentist, have to pay at least £39 for glasses frames no matter what your financial status......We barely have a welfare state any more anyway. Love Lynne (Who actually does get free prescriptions due to being diabetic) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Welsh get free prescriptions Why ? UK From: Splott Man Date: 02 Apr 07 - 03:41 AM Crane Driver, I reckon our ambulance service would be better if 999 calls were dealt with locally instead of 300 miles away. On a couple of occasions I've had to waste precious time spelling out place names or street names to someone who has no local or regional knowledge. Oh, and sheep still have to pay for their perscriptions unless they're registered as a family member. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Welsh get free prescriptions Why ? UK From: The PA Date: 02 Apr 07 - 04:16 AM Does this mean I can give my prescription to my colleague who lives in Wales, and only comes into the office on Tuesdays, (that bit has absolutely no relevance - its Monday morning) and he can get it for me. - Or am I misunderstanding the situation. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Welsh get free prescriptions Why ? UK From: GUEST,heed Date: 02 Apr 07 - 04:50 AM Free prescription for Wales is the tip of an iceburg. -The English are not allowed their own parlaiment, unlike the Welsh and the Scottish. -Scottish and Welsh mps can vote on english only matters, English Mps can't vote can't do the opposite: the infamous West Lothian Question. -English students have to pay top up fees, Scottish students don't, only becuase (get this) Scottish votes at westimister helped pass this legislation. -Enlglish OAPS do not get state aid if they need to go into care, unlike scotland. -The English are denied cancer drugs that are freely available in scotland on the grounds of cost. -Oh yes... the other nations of the (dis?)UK are subsidised by the english and assurred of higher public spending by a formula known as the BARNETT FORMULA. Even the creator of this system, Lord Barnett, has branded it as discrimiating aginst the English. -But the English are not English. We do not exist according to John Prescott. -We english have to be British. Gordon Brown's "Britishness" will only be tought in English schools, not Scottish or Welsh ones. -And Gordon Brown, will soon be "First Minister Of England", presiding over English policies on education, transport, health etc.. Policies that are the reserve of the Scottish parliament in Scotland. If you are English,a dn value democracy and fairness, perhaps you would like to join me on the "Justice For England" March, in london on May the 1st. You can find out more at: http://www.justiceforengland.com/news.htm. And maybe keep yourself informed about how badly the english are treated by going to the excellent blog at the campaign for an english parlaiment's web page: http://www.thecep.org.uk/news/ or view here http://www.toque.co.uk/witan/ thanks, and maybe spread the word to other english men and women. heed |
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Subject: RE: BS: Welsh get free prescriptions Why ? UK From: Rasener Date: 02 Apr 07 - 04:58 AM I can't make the march, but I will be with you in thought. Its about time us English stuck up for our rights, and stop giving them to everybody else. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Welsh get free prescriptions Why ? UK From: John MacKenzie Date: 02 Apr 07 - 05:56 AM I agree, you should have your own parliament, but it won't happen. Because Scotland is the last bastion of socialism, and returns a disproportionately large amount of lobby fodder for the present Labour [allegedly] Government. The system is and always has been crazy, and until you specify that MPs must come from, and live in, the area they represent it will always be skewed. Alex Salmond the present leader of the Scottish Nationalist Party, does not sit in the Scottish parliament, preferring to lead the SNP members at Westminster, while calling for Scottish independence. How weird is that? Now I am an SNP member, and I vote for them too, but I do not want full independence, merely more control over our own affairs, and an end to the anomaly of Scottish MPs running the English parliament. John Reid, Tony Blair Gordon Brown, etc. etc. Each unique region should have it's own forum, as they do in Spain, that way the representation of the people act, will actually apply to the people being represented. At present the only notice that Tony Blair and others take of their electorate, is when they want our votes, so they can get back to their exclusive subsidised gentleman's club in London, and screw the arse of those who put them there! Giok |
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Subject: RE: BS: Welsh get free prescriptions Why ? UK From: Tootler Date: 02 Apr 07 - 06:40 PM Villan, I'm pleased to see your follow up post. It is much more in tune with what I normally expect from you and I think we are largely in agreement. I find there are an lot of inconsistencies in the NHS charges. NHS glasses is another one. My wife needs strong lenses and has a fairly complex prescription, so is penalised for something which is not her fault, having to pay a small fortune for her lenses. I spend quite a lot on my glasses, but I choose to add extras like varifocals instead of bifocals and photochromic lenses. Those are my choices and it is reasonable I pay for them, but my wife's is not. She has to have the lenses to correct her vision so in my view she should be charged no more for her lenses than someone who is slightly short sighted. The same applied to my younger daughter until we spent £3000 on laser treatment which was worth every penny as it almost completely corrected her eyesight so she has to spend very little on lenses where she was spending (or rather we were spending) £300 a time on lenses. In fact I think we may well by now have recovered what we spent on laser treatment in savings on lenses. If we have to pay something towards NHS treatment, then charges should be reasonable and should not penalise those who, through no fault of their own, have greater needs than others. In fact, it is the injustice of the way that charges operate that upsets me more than the fact there are charges. As for dentistry; well, what a mess!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Welsh get free prescriptions Why ? UK From: GUEST,Wan Kerr Date: 02 Apr 07 - 09:15 PM The Scotch run the English parliament and inflict taxes on us to subsidise themseves. There is a fat grinning one waiting to become prime minister! He has already stolen the pensions from millions of hard working people - should be HUNG!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Welsh get free prescriptions Why ? UK From: bubblyrat Date: 03 Apr 07 - 02:32 PM Hung in Scotland, perhaps, but in our Blessed England he would be HANGED !! Well, I have already upset some people in Wales with my views on devolution and Welsh nationalism, and I"m sure my posting about the proposed new Forth bridge ( to be paid for by the English, of course ) has got up a few Caledonian noses as well, so maybe the time HAS come to bring all the frustration out into the open, go on a march, have a good old "demo" , and let this miserable, pathetic ,self-obsessed government know just how aggrieved we English feel about having to subsidise the Welsh and the Scottish, without getting anything ( other than insults and hostility ) in return. I have just discovered, today, that the liner, the "Queen Elizabeth 2 ", or " QE 2 " as she is usually known, was built in Scotland.The original plan, by the owners, Cunard, was to call the ship the "Queen Elizabeth 11" , or "Queen Elizabeth the Second ". BUT----The miserable Jocks moaned and groaned and carried on Hi-Ding-Dong, because our dear Sovereign Lady is NOT the second Elizabeth of Scotland !! ( Even though she is gracious enough to undertake the thankless task of being their legitimate Monarch !) ---So the ship had to be called the "Queen Elizabeth 2," as it was the second ship of that name. How petty !! The sooner we English are free of Caledonia ( and Cambria ) , the better-off we will all be !! ( and so will they , of course ! ).Vivat Albion !! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Welsh get free prescriptions Why ? UK From: patriot1314 Date: 04 Apr 07 - 03:16 AM Don't know where you got your info bubblyrat, but I clearly remember the launch of that fine Clyde built ship and I can assure you that it is indeed called "Queen Elizabeth the Second" English subsidising the Scots?.....thats a good one too! I've heard countless figures being quoted for this, (all by unionist parties) the sums of which vary greatly. The fact is, the South of England is the most feathered part of the uk with all sorts of money being ploughed in there to keep employment levels up etc. If England was paying for Scotland as you suggest, they would have dumped us years ago! it's not a great way to do business after all. If you take away the oil and whisky revenues (not to mention tourism) there wouldn't be much left for Westminster's coffers. What English industries produce money for the government on such a scale? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Welsh get free prescriptions Why ? UK From: GUEST,Cwm Bach Date: 04 Apr 07 - 04:55 AM What an envious lot the English are. Prescriptions used to be all free when I was a lad, so was dentistry. Then they introduced just a little charge, just a token to cover a few costs after all you can all afford it. And bit by bit it's crept up until the prescription often costs more than the drugs, not long ago a pharmacist was prosecuted for telling his customers that they'd pay less if the just bought it and forgot about the prescription. The problem isn't the Welsh getting away with it free, it's the spineless English who won't vote the scum out of office. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Welsh get free prescriptions Why ? UK From: Big Al Whittle Date: 04 Apr 07 - 05:04 AM is that cwm bach, as cwm bach paddy reilly to ballyjamesduff....? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Welsh get free prescriptions Why ? UK From: GUEST Date: 04 Apr 07 - 05:30 AM At the last election, the English gave more votes to the Tories than to Labour. Labour stays in power thanks to Welsh and Scottish voters. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Welsh get free prescriptions Why ? UK From: Rasener Date: 04 Apr 07 - 05:39 AM And they are getting all the subsidies and freebies. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Welsh get free prescriptions Why ? UK From: patriot1314 Date: 04 Apr 07 - 05:56 AM I remember it well Cwm Bach. A REAL NHS! I'm proud to say I have never voted either labour or tory, but if you'd lived in Scotland during the Thatcher years I can understand Scottish voters to a certain extent not voting that way. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Welsh get free prescriptions Why ? UK From: John MacKenzie Date: 04 Apr 07 - 06:00 AM You have that lovely and much used dome at Greenwich, what more do you want? G |
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Subject: RE: BS: Welsh get free prescriptions Why ? UK From: Grab Date: 04 Apr 07 - 06:14 AM Tootler, did you check how much the drugs would have been if you had bought them yourself? Most serious drugs are significantly more than £6.35 a bottle! I'd like to see cheaper prescriptions, lower waiting lists and more range of treatments available. I'd also like to see better funding for schools, libraries, childcare and other social services. But that'll cost us a lot more tax, maybe as much as an extra 20% - check the tax paid in the various European countries which have more comprehensive social services than the UK. It may well also need some reduction in state pensions for people who are retired. In other words, we get what we pay for. The simple fact is that most of the money spent by the health service these days is on things which weren't available when it was set up. Hip replacements, organ transplants, insulin and diabetes-related complications, cancer treatments, drugs for people with heart conditions and strokes - the list goes on, and they're all *hugely* expensive. If you say "I paid my National Health at 7%, so now I want everything for free", I'm afraid there isn't a magic money fairy who'll deliver. Various governments have found already that tax rises are a vote-loser - people say "we want a better NHS", but they're not prepared to pay for it. Would you go for a 40% basic rate of tax? If you would, fair enough - if you wouldn't, then you're not in a position to complain about the cash-limited state of public services. The extra irony is that many of the people complaining about the NHS failing to take care of them (even on this thread) are also the same people who complain about the rise of the "nanny state". Go figure. :-/ Graham. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Welsh get free prescriptions Why ? UK From: Dave the Gnome Date: 04 Apr 07 - 09:08 AM No one ever need pay more than £7.50 a month for prescriptions. The fee for an annual prepayemnt certificate is just over £98 and if you are clever you can get 13 months worth of 'scrips out of it. If you get a 4 monthly one you can get 5 months out of it and therefore get 15 months for a £7.20 a month but I would forget to get a months worth every 4 months! Anyone telling you that people in England spend hundreds of pounds on prescriptions is either manipulating the truth or is very poorly informed. Having said all that I am in agreement that the disparate laws for different countries in the UK is ridiculous. Cheers Dave |
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Subject: RE: BS: Welsh get free prescriptions Why ? UK From: John MacKenzie Date: 04 Apr 07 - 09:14 AM Sorry Dave, but the English signed up for the different laws thing in 1707, as far as Scotland is concerned anyway. G |
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Subject: RE: BS: Welsh get free prescriptions Why ? UK From: Tootler Date: 04 Apr 07 - 07:41 PM "check the tax paid in the various European countries" A recent statement I saw in one of the financial pages is that we are now among the highest taxed countries in Europe. Much of that is not in direct taxation but in various indirect taxes that the Chancellor has sneaked in over the past 10 years. In effect we are already paying much of the extra 20% Grub referred to. But if you read my last post, you will see that much of my gripe is against inconsistencies in the way charges are levied. There has been a lot of money poured into the NHS in recent years but things don't seem to get any better, and it is clear there also a lot of waste. Not least by politicians who keep changing the rules every 5 minutes. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Welsh get free prescriptions Why ? UK From: John MacKenzie Date: 05 Apr 07 - 03:42 AM Most of the money poured into the NHS went on increasing wages and hiring more staff. Not that the wage increases weren't needed or deserved, but many hospitals are having to make most of the newly hired staff redundant, as fiscal reality hits home. The highly taxed thing is correct, as the fact that most of it is indirect. This means that everybody pays high taxes, not just those who are lucky enough to be in regular paid employment. Income tax is the only fair way as it is paid only by those who are employed, or have large private incomes. Giok |
