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Women as Magi?
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Subject: Women as Magi? From: MMario Date: 13 Dec 06 - 01:06 PM Not sure where to put this - but Mudcat is as good a place as any to ask the question. About 10 years ago I read a Christmas story online - it was about the *wives* of the Magi. they brought gifts as well - food, a blanket, and I think a kitten...anyway, it was a really cute story and I've never seen it since. Sound familiar to anyone? |
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Subject: RE: Women as Magi? From: Liz the Squeak Date: 13 Dec 06 - 07:07 PM I've only heard the version where they stopped and asked directions, got there in time to help with the birth, brought baby clothes, blankets and a casserole... it's in my files somewhere, I'll dig it out and look tomorrow, it's a little late here now (just gone midnight and I'm due at work at 7.00am!), someone remind me. LTS |
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Subject: RE: Women as Magi? From: GUEST Date: 13 Dec 06 - 07:09 PM Such cuteness makes my teeth ache! |
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Subject: RE: Women as Magi? From: Kaleea Date: 13 Dec 06 - 07:31 PM The three wise guys had wives whom traveled with them? Preposterous! I thought only courtisans got to travel with kings. |
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Subject: RE: Women as Magi? From: Liz the Squeak Date: 13 Dec 06 - 07:34 PM It's more on the lines of 'if the 3 Wise Men were women instead' - the men were 2 years late and brought silly presents because they wouldn't ask for directions. LTS |
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Subject: RE: Women as Magi? From: Emma B Date: 13 Dec 06 - 07:53 PM this is the one I think Liz What would have happened if it had been the three Wise Women instead of three Wise Men? * they would have asked directions * arrived on time * helped deliver the baby * cleaned the stable * brought practical gifts * and made a casserole But what would they have said as they left? As they left, they would have said: * Did you see the sandals Mary was wearing with that gown? * That baby doesn't look anything like Joseph! * Can you believe that they let all of those disgusting animals in there? * And that donkey they are riding has seen better days, too! * Want to bet on how long it will take before you get your casserole dish back? * I heard that Joseph isn't even working right now! * Virgin, my *%@$! I knew her in school! |
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Subject: RE: Women as Magi? From: Bernard Date: 13 Dec 06 - 08:05 PM The song was written by my good mate, Stanley Accrington. If anyone wants an MP3, you just have to ask! |
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Subject: RE: Women as Magi? From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 13 Dec 06 - 08:08 PM I've often wondered- who invented the three wise men? The Bible says something about wise men coming to the house, but no number specified and their names are unrecorded. And who took the baby out of the house and ensconced him in a stable? Some Wackipedia-type 'information' here. |
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Subject: RE: Women as Magi? From: Bernard Date: 13 Dec 06 - 08:41 PM Well, seeing as how the whole story seems to have been hi-jacked from a legend predating the 'events' by around 2000 years... A debate not for this thread, though? |
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Subject: RE: Women as Magi? From: Emma B Date: 13 Dec 06 - 08:46 PM ok - current "thinking" the "Inn" is a mis-translation of "guest room" The family would have been accomodated with relatives but as so many were visiting that the "guest room" was full and so they had to sleep in the room that would have been shared with the animals - nice and warm! There is indeed no reference to the number of "Magi" but three "gifts" were specified so the story takes off from there.... As the birth is supposed to take place when the shepherds were in the fields with their flocks we can also assume it was lambing time - so definately NOT the old festival of Yule which was "taken over" and so on....... |
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Subject: RE: Women as Magi? From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 14 Dec 06 - 12:53 AM You mean it's all folk? You can't cite references? |
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Subject: RE: Women as Magi? From: Trevor Date: 14 Dec 06 - 04:47 AM Funnily enough we were looking for this earlier in the week. Is this what you wanted? And if you know 'Poor Old Landlord, Can't Get The Buggers Out' you have an approximation of the tune. ^^ THREE WISE WOMEN (Stanley Accrington) Three wise women went to the stable, the stable, the stable, Three wise women went to the stable To see the baby king. They got lost and asked for directions. "Oh, you mean that bright star there!" They still got there two weeks before the wise men, To see the baby king. When they got there they helped with the delivery, Sent Joseph to boil some water. When the baby was born they all crowded round him, Told the angels to keep the noise down. Then one wise woman said "Isn't he like his father?" Mary gave her a strange look. Then two wise women started cleaning out the stable, The third one made a casserole. Then three shepherds came to see the baby, The women told them to take their shoes off first. Now the three wise women didn't bring gold, frankincense and myrrh, Their presents were far more useful. The first wise women brought a Bob the Builder romper suit, To fit size nought to six months. The second wise woman brought a packet of disposables, And those nappy sacks that smell faintly of Holmans. (a reference I don't understand, though I'm sure someone does) The third wise woman brought a Winnie the Pooh mobile, And a tape of Cilla Black singing lullabies. Then the three wise women said goodbye to Mary and Joseph, Went back to where they had come from. Then the first wise woman said "Did you see her sandals?" They just didn't go with that robe she wore. The second wise woman said "You'd have thought they'd have cleaned the stable out! The smell, not to mention hygiene!" Then the third wise woman said "You know that Joseph's not in work?! How do they afford that donkey?" Then the three wise women met the wise men going the other way, Who stopped them to ask for directions. The three wise women shrugged and just carried on their way, Muttering about the usefulness of myrrh. Three wise women went to the stable, To see the baby king. As Stanley himself says, a carol is not just for Christmas. Enjoy |
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Subject: RE: Women as Magi? From: Trevor Date: 14 Dec 06 - 04:55 AM Found this as well. |
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Subject: RE: Women as Magi? From: GUEST Date: 14 Dec 06 - 05:04 AM "The Three Maggis" What a load of tosh. Delivering the gifts was mans' work. They could hardly have been called "wise men" if they'd taken their wives along. Could they? |
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Subject: RE: Women as Magi? From: katlaughing Date: 14 Dec 06 - 05:58 AM Found this: Church rethinks three wise 'men' Tuesday, February 10, 2004 Posted: 10:01 AM EST (1501 GMT) LONDON, England (Reuters) -- The Three Wise Men who followed the star to Bethlehem bearing gifts for the baby Jesus may not have been all that wise -- or even men. The traditional infant nativity play scene could be in for a drastic rewrite after the Church of England indulged in some academic gender-swapping over the three Magi at its General Synod in London this week. A committee revising the latest prayer book said the term "Magi" was a transliteration of the name used by officials at the Persian court, and that they could well have been women. "Magi is a word which discloses nothing about numbers, wisdom or gender embodied in the term," a Synod spokesman said on Tuesday after the revision was agreed by the Church of England's parliament which meets twice a year. In the authorized 17th century King James bible used by up to 70 million worshippers in Anglican churches around the world, the gift-bearing visitors are referred to as "The Three Wise Men." Now they are to be called just "Magi" and no longer gender-specific in the Anglican prayer book. "Changing 'Wise Men' to 'Magi' seems to be an entirely sensible move," the Synod spokesman said. The revision committee said: "While it seems very unlikely that these Persian court officials were female, the possibility that one or more of the Magi were female cannot be excluded completely." There is no theological dispute about the gifts they brought -- gold, frankincense and myrrh -- but the prayer has been changed to use the word Magi on the grounds that "the visitors were not necessarily wise and not necessarily men." Synod officials denied that the Church of England, a pillar of the Establishment in Britain, was being seized by an attack of political correctness and pandering to feminists. The decision was greeted by mocking newspaper headlines like "The Three Fairly Sagacious Persons" and "Is it unwise to call the Magi men?" |
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Subject: RE: Women as Magi? From: Bernard Date: 14 Dec 06 - 11:37 AM Maggi is a company which makes soup mixes... so maybe these people were a division of 'Meals on Wheels'? |
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Subject: RE: Women as Magi? From: frogprince Date: 14 Dec 06 - 03:05 PM I'm sure most of you have heard that we know the Nativity didn't happen in Poland, as they couldn't have come up with 3 wise men and a virgin. My addition to that, based on Polish guys I've worked with, is that, had the Magi been Polish, they would have come on the scene asking, "Where the f**k is the g*****n baby". |
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Subject: RE: Women as Magi? From: Bernard Date: 14 Dec 06 - 08:25 PM It couldn't have happened in England, either... can you imagine the Risk Assessment document associated with childbirth in a stable? It's said that a visiting shepherd banged his head against a beam and exclaimed 'Jesus!' Upon which Mary was heard to say 'That's a nice name - we were going to call him Albert!'. |
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Subject: RE: Women as Magi? From: GUEST,Ray Date: 15 Dec 06 - 11:51 AM Am I the only one who knows Stanley Accrington's real name? No, its not Alexander Crewe! That bible thing always seems to get genders wrong. Genetically, if a child inherits only its mother's genes, it has to be female - think of the implications of that one! |
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Subject: RE: Women as Magi? From: Uncle_DaveO Date: 15 Dec 06 - 12:03 PM Emma B said: the "Inn" is a mis-translation of "guest room" Maybe I'm mistaken, but I didn't think there was any mention of an inn the the various versions of the Bethlehem birth story in the Bible. If there is, please enlighten me. Dave Oesterreich |
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Subject: RE: Women as Magi? From: Bernard Date: 15 Dec 06 - 12:17 PM No, Guest Ray... I know Stanley's real name, too! It isn't exactly a secret, but he doesn't confuse the issue by using it! |
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Subject: RE: Women as Magi? From: frogprince Date: 15 Dec 06 - 04:05 PM Uncle Dave, try Luke Ch.2, verse 7. |
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