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Subject: BS: Mid Term Election Fallout From: GUEST,Number 6 Date: 08 Nov 06 - 01:03 PM Rumsfield is handing in his resignation. That's good news! biLL |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mid Term Election Fallout From: John MacKenzie Date: 08 Nov 06 - 01:06 PM That will leave Shrub exposed, as long as he had someone around who talked more balls than him he looked less stupid than he actually is. Giok |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mid Term Election Fallout From: ard mhacha Date: 08 Nov 06 - 01:08 PM Good bye and good riddance to an arrogant creep, it`s true what they say, rats do leave a sinking ship. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mid Term Election Fallout From: Wesley S Date: 08 Nov 06 - 01:09 PM At first it sounds like good news. But first I want to see who replaces him. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mid Term Election Fallout From: Wolfgang Date: 08 Nov 06 - 01:13 PM Gates. Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mid Term Election Fallout From: GUEST, heric Date: 08 Nov 06 - 01:17 PM Um. Folks. Where is this news coming from? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mid Term Election Fallout From: ard mhacha Date: 08 Nov 06 - 01:18 PM Gtes is a former CIA director, that seems like replacing replacing Stalin with Hitler. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mid Term Election Fallout From: ard mhacha Date: 08 Nov 06 - 01:19 PM Heric try the BBC News. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mid Term Election Fallout From: pdq Date: 08 Nov 06 - 01:20 PM This is hardly a case of capitulation by George W. Bush. Bob Gates is a former director of the CIA. He is now president of Texas A&M University. Gates is not only more of an 'intellectual' than Rumsfeld but he is more likely to take a 'hard line' policy in winning the war in Iraq. Rumsfeld is in his mid 70s and is not as robust as he was 35 years ago in the Nixon administration. For Liberals to celebrate this change is about like a boxer celebrating the replacement of his opponent with a younger and stronger man in the middle of the fight. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mid Term Election Fallout From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 08 Nov 06 - 01:20 PM I thought you meant Bill Gates for a moment there. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mid Term Election Fallout From: GUEST, heric Date: 08 Nov 06 - 01:25 PM Thanks. I see it in the LA Times and CBC as well. But the attributions are to unnamed "GOP officials," and more stories are denying it. Still time to place bets. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mid Term Election Fallout From: ard mhacha Date: 08 Nov 06 - 01:26 PM The BBC News bulletin has Bush stating,"after a series of thoughtful conversation, the time is right for new leadership at the Pentagon" Afterwards Bush had to have a lie-down being physically exhausted after his "series of thoughtful conversation". |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mid Term Election Fallout From: Wesley S Date: 08 Nov 06 - 01:37 PM CNN says that Bush made the announcement and has a link to the news confrence. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mid Term Election Fallout From: gnu Date: 08 Nov 06 - 01:43 PM So, essentially, there will now be be a smooth talkin smiley faced man up front. (up front... get it? I'd crack me up if I wasn't sick over it all.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mid Term Election Fallout From: catspaw49 Date: 08 Nov 06 - 01:45 PM Yeah.....News conference is on now and the Texas Two-Step ain't cuttin' it as a dance!!! This is just great watching this fuckin' worm squirm. He won't admit that Iraq had any "real" effect on the election but says it had some. HE's trying desperately to change the subject to anything else. But now he has found he's in a minefield as every subject is nailing his ass up. He just said thanks and left in a hurry. Gawd, I love it. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mid Term Election Fallout From: Don Firth Date: 08 Nov 06 - 02:05 PM He quacked a lot and limped off. Oh frabjous day, callooh, callay! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mid Term Election Fallout From: GUEST Date: 08 Nov 06 - 02:10 PM Just shows, if opponents turn out the religious right doesn't stand a chance. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mid Term Election Fallout From: Don Firth Date: 08 Nov 06 - 02:21 PM "Wikipedia" comes from the Hawaiian word "wiki wiki," which means "very quick." The idea is that entries in Wikipedia can be updated very quickly. True indeed! This was really fast! Clicky-Wiki Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mid Term Election Fallout From: Barry Finn Date: 08 Nov 06 - 02:26 PM Gates has only been selected & he has to pass aproval & now that the House is in control & the Senate looks to be the same (as soon as the count is done, Allen is trailing) Gates may not get his pass to pass GO, unless Ducky can speed this through before the actual change of hands is completed. move Barry |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mid Term Election Fallout From: Don Firth Date: 08 Nov 06 - 02:29 PM Robert Gates isn't in yet. The following item from the Wikipedia entry I just posted to above: "On November 8, 2006 George W. Bush nominated Robert Gates to serve as Secretary of Defense in the wake of Donald Rumsfeld's resignation. Robert Gates will now face confirmation first in the Senate Armed Services Committee, and if approved, by a general vote in the United States Senate."A lot might depend on who wins the Senatorial race in Virginia. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mid Term Election Fallout From: pdq Date: 08 Nov 06 - 02:30 PM Robert Gates: "master's degree in history from Indiana University in 1966, and his Ph.D. in Russian and Soviet history from Georgetown University in 1974." Yep, younger, smarter and meaner than Rumsfeld. Sounds like George W. Bush is not going to back-down from the demand for victory (rather than pull-out) when it comes to Iraq. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mid Term Election Fallout From: Maryrrf Date: 08 Nov 06 - 02:42 PM So far Webb is still ahead in Virginia. I am so enjoying seeing these arrogant bastards getting put down, finally! I know all our problems aren't solved, but for now I'm just so relieved. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mid Term Election Fallout From: GUEST,Number 6 Date: 08 Nov 06 - 02:49 PM I'm hopin' now that Rove will be in the unemployment line soon. biLL |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mid Term Election Fallout From: Donuel Date: 08 Nov 06 - 02:49 PM "DO YOU THINK I'm NUTS !?... DO YOU THINK I'm CRAZY!?" quote by GWB from today's press conference There was a single nervous giggle from the crowd followed by an awkward silence in which one could swear a cricket could be heard. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mid Term Election Fallout From: Donuel Date: 08 Nov 06 - 03:11 PM I have been following Ms' Malveaux's career since she was a local tv news reporter 10 years ago. Today in the White House press room she got to stand up and ask W "Pelosi has said on different occaisiions; You are , stupid, arrogant, naieve, stubborn, and an incurable liar" (long pause) How will you work with Ms. Pelosi? what a wonderful moment... sigh |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mid Term Election Fallout From: DougR Date: 08 Nov 06 - 03:21 PM Gaates will be confirmed. The Demos beat us Repubs fair and square, though the Repubs actually beat themselves. Now the Dems are in the driver's seat. We will see what they have to bring to the table. They can no longer dodge the question about what their plan for the country is. Nor can they escape responsibility for what happens. DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mid Term Election Fallout From: Don Firth Date: 08 Nov 06 - 03:27 PM True indeed, Doug. Now we'll see. What we'll see remains to be . . . well . . . seen. But I have hopes. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mid Term Election Fallout From: Ebbie Date: 08 Nov 06 - 03:28 PM "Nor can they escape responsibility for what happens." DougR A certain - and MAJOR- amount of responsibility will always remain with the administration that got us into the mess. There are no quick or easy or painless solutions. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mid Term Election Fallout From: pdq Date: 08 Nov 06 - 03:29 PM This will be the springboard to a Republican presidential victory in 2008. When everything gets worse in the next two years, Dems will be blamed. They have little in the way of policy except "reverse the 'Bush' tax cuts". Than means 'raise taxes', but they are not honest to say it in those terms. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mid Term Election Fallout From: Don Firth Date: 08 Nov 06 - 03:34 PM Cling to that straw if you need to, pdq. But you might just be surprised. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mid Term Election Fallout From: GUEST,KB Date: 08 Nov 06 - 03:35 PM pdq, that is exactly what I was thinking. Iraq is a mess and is going to remain a mess but now Bush and his handlers will (not might, will, bank on it) blame the Democrats for any problems from here on out. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mid Term Election Fallout From: ard mhacha Date: 08 Nov 06 - 03:35 PM It still puzzles me how an incredible fool who talks like a giggling schoolgirl can become President of the USA, proving that money is everything in US politics, I seen him on TV tonight and the man was completely rattled. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mid Term Election Fallout From: Big Mick Date: 08 Nov 06 - 03:42 PM Ard, of course money is everything in US politics. Is it not the same in Canada? England? France? Give us a break here. The same system produced many great Presidents as well. I am very concerned that the Dems jump on the issues quickly. I want them to forget the retributions (unlike our opponents) and get on with building a coalition for change. I want to see smart foreign policy with oversight. I want to see economic policies based on the self interests of the US middle class, while recognizing that we are but a role player on the world economic stage. I want them to waste no more than a day with backslapping and get about the business at hand. Mick |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mid Term Election Fallout From: Wesley S Date: 08 Nov 06 - 03:51 PM Agreed Mick. That sounds like a plan. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mid Term Election Fallout From: Barry Finn Date: 08 Nov 06 - 03:53 PM There's a good chance Gates will not be confirmed. It's no longer a shoe in policy. The Senate in not controled by the Repub's anymore & the 1st line of duty is to halt the rubber stamping of folks like Gates to key command posts. BArry |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mid Term Election Fallout From: ard mhacha Date: 08 Nov 06 - 03:53 PM Give you a break?, don`t let it get to you Mick, England no way, the poorest from the Labour ranks have become Prime Minister and even John Major was working class, as for Ireland much the same. A few of the great Presidents, Nixon, Reagan, Bush,and Ike as articulate as Bush. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mid Term Election Fallout From: Big Mick Date: 08 Nov 06 - 04:05 PM Roosevelt, Truman, Kennedy, Clinton, Carter. And you tell me that money doesn't play a dominant role in British politics? Yes, Ard, give me a break. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mid Term Election Fallout From: Greg F. Date: 08 Nov 06 - 04:10 PM Nor can they [Dems] escape responsibility for what happens. Why ever not? The BuShites successfully have for the last six years. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mid Term Election Fallout From: kendall Date: 08 Nov 06 - 05:03 PM Doug, you are so right. The demoncrats won fair and square (with help from the crooked, lying republicans) and I fail to see how they can screw things up any worse than the republicans have done. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mid Term Election Fallout From: kendall Date: 08 Nov 06 - 05:06 PM Seems to me that if the demoncrats take the house and the senate, Bush will be as impotent as a 90 year old Eunuch. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mid Term Election Fallout From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 08 Nov 06 - 05:33 PM New brooms sweeping clean - touch wood. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mid Term Election Fallout From: tarheel Date: 08 Nov 06 - 05:37 PM HOW I FEEL ABOUT THE ELECTION... The Conservative Party of the late and greatest president ever of our nation Roanald Reagan, is sick and out of touch with the American people,especially the Conservatives who put them into office! This has been obvious to me for sometime! Most certainly the situation will not improve significantly until the Republican Party recognizes its ill health and begins to take corrective measures. I just saw president Bush on TV (wednesday,november 8th 5:20 pm,est)say,.."I thought everything was going to be ok!, goes to show what i know!" omg,i can't believe he said that,but again its the same ole attutude that he has had since his SECOND term in the White House,especially since the Iraqi War! Tar... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mid Term Election Fallout From: autolycus Date: 08 Nov 06 - 05:53 PM Donuel, Is the White Press room stuff online anywhere? Meantime, good news, atiny step in the right direction. Ivor |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mid Term Election Fallout From: Donuel Date: 08 Nov 06 - 09:00 PM I made a dvd of the press conference. I only missed the first 5 words... "Why all the glum faces?" It was on every cable news channel. He mentioned his remarks about warning everyone that Nancy Pelosi was measuring drapes for here new office etc... If I were Nancy's writer I would have her say "I don't need new drapes, I'll just use the drapes Ashcroft used to cover all the female statues in the Capitol Building." His speech is screaming to have sound effects added. His overall message was not one of contrition but rather that" I obviously did a bad job of explaining why our war in Iraq is such a good idea since none of you people seem to understand after all this time why we need to stay". At the end he turned, walked away, seemingly bowed head in shame and left the room. He has certainly had worse moments but this one was unique in that he got the message but wasn't going to say he got it. btw last week he was meeting with Gates regarding his new job while at the same time later that week told everyone on the campaign trail that Rumsfeld was here to stay. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mid Term Election Fallout From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 08 Nov 06 - 09:21 PM Is the White Press room stuff online anywhere? Here you are from the BBC. (I don't know how long they'l keep it up there. Maybe someone should copy it on to YouTube.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mid Term Election Fallout From: Greg F. Date: 08 Nov 06 - 10:19 PM the late and greatest president ever of our nation Roanald Reagan... Boy, talk about being sick and out of touch! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mid Term Election Fallout From: JohnInKansas Date: 08 Nov 06 - 11:57 PM I caught only brief snatches of the first press conference. It came on, supposedly live, at 1:00 pm Central time. It was announced then that Rumsfeld is leaving, and Gates was named as the nominee to replace him. It was somewhat encouraging(?) that at one point herr Bushy appeared to be implying that he's invented a new concept that he hoped everyone would jump right onto - something he called "bipartisan cooperation." ???????? It must be something new, at least for this administration. I hope he'll explain further what he thinks it means. A second press conference a couple of hours later (or maybe it was a replay of part of the earlier one?) included a brief introduction of Gates followed by an extended "eulogy" for Rummy. The only real impression I got of Gates was that when they first stepped up to the microphone, and for several moments after, he appeared to be so happy he was fighting off a giggle. John |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mid Term Election Fallout From: Peace Date: 09 Nov 06 - 01:18 AM "bipartisan cooperation" Interesting time to want that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mid Term Election Fallout From: Greg F. Date: 09 Nov 06 - 08:46 AM Don't hold yer breath, Bruce, for President Lying Sack of Crap to actually do what his handlers have told him to say. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mid Term Election Fallout From: GUEST,Jon Date: 09 Nov 06 - 09:30 AM I don't think it is quite the same in the UK, Mick. I won't say that money does not play a role but I really could not see GWB lasting 5 minutes in British politics. a) I'd be very surprised if many voters would think him capable of holding office. b) I would expect him to get ripped to shreds in his first commons debate. The US does seem to me to vote more for figure heads. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mid Term Election Fallout From: ard mhacha Date: 09 Nov 06 - 10:34 AM Jon, I agree George Cameron made mince-meat out of his interrogators, can you see Bush being cross-examined at question time, what a spectacle, he would be laughed out of the Commons. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mid Term Election Fallout From: GUEST,Jon Date: 09 Nov 06 - 01:44 PM I can imagine, ard. I think one could almost consider it an act of cruelty to subject him to it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mid Term Election Fallout From: GUEST,lox Date: 09 Nov 06 - 06:06 PM this gates guy gives me the willy's He's a dyed in the wool old crony - forget about being younger etc. He might as well be called bush by the looks of it - Texas - CIA etc etc |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mid Term Election Fallout From: Big Mick Date: 09 Nov 06 - 06:12 PM He hasn't been confirmed yet. Mick |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mid Term Election Fallout From: Ron Davies Date: 10 Nov 06 - 12:11 AM The question is whether Gates will be Rumsfeld "my way or the highway" redux or whether he'll actually be willing to listen to various points of view. There is conflicting evidence in his background. At this point, it's premature to condemn or praise. We should be better able to tell during confirmation hearings. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mid Term Election Fallout From: fumblefingers Date: 10 Nov 06 - 12:39 AM Will the Democrats now reveal their plan for Iraq? Up till now, the plan has been "Bush is an idiot, Bush is incompetent, Blame everything on Bush" Since 2000, the media and the Democrats have carried out a continual barrage of anti-Bush rhetoric and malevolent sloganeering, much of which is prevelent in the above posts. On Rumsfeld and the war, US foreign policy isn't set by soundbites from members of congress with an agenda. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mid Term Election Fallout From: Ron Davies Date: 10 Nov 06 - 12:47 AM Fumblefingers-- Poor Bush--a babe in the woods when it comes to propaganda--assaulted for no reason by those nasty media. Whatever you say. What are you smoking? But you'll have to carry on without me. Sweet dreams. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mid Term Election Fallout From: number 6 Date: 10 Nov 06 - 08:57 PM Looks like John Bolton is next. His appointment as US ambassador to the UN expires in January .... the Dems in the Senate will certainly not nominate Bolton to continue. biLL |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mid Term Election Fallout From: Big Mick Date: 10 Nov 06 - 09:02 PM DOA |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mid Term Election Fallout From: number 6 Date: 10 Nov 06 - 09:07 PM That's about it Mick! Unfortuantely I don't think Rove is going to be a casualty. He is sitting in a back room somewhere, contriving some other devious scheme to get the GOP back in power. I don't dismiss the fact they are somehow going to pull it off 2 years from now. biLL |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mid Term Election Fallout From: GUEST,Uncle Jaque Date: 10 Nov 06 - 10:56 PM As one of those living oxymorons, a "Conservative Folkie", you can imagine how I felt on Wed. Morning; sort of like a surving veteran of the Army of Northern Virginia on the Morning of April 9, 1865 to furl the battleworn, smoke and blood stained Stars and Bars and face the reality of a cause lost. As I went around pulling up the campaign signs I'd put up before the election (many of which frequently fell or vanished due to "selective microbursts" that regularly devistated Republican Candidate's signs but left Democrat signs untouched for some strange reason) I kept singing "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down". Ken Mehlman, the National GOP Chariman, sent me (and a million of so other pubbies, I suspect) a "Thank you" e-mail for our activism efforts, futile though they were. And many of you would be surprised by my somewhat scathing reply to him. In a nutshell, IMHO the Democrats didn't "win" this election so much as pubbies LOST it, fair and square. If Dems have a "plan" for America beyond impeaching Bush, leaving Iraq to it's fate at the hands of bloodthirsty Islammofacist savages and raising taxes, I seem to have missed it, or they aren't articulating it all that well. But many of our Pubbie standard-bearers in Washington were an utter disgrace to their party, constituents, and the very Constitution that they have sworn to uphold and defend. Grandiose promises made by our "leadership" seemed to fizzle out and be forgotton - you know, like education, immigration, and social security reform, border security and fiscal responsibility. Ja; riiight. You know quite well what really happened, and here's one pubbie what ain't at all proud of "my" party right now. Then again, for those of us who have certain issues with Marxism, it's about the only show in town. If someone comes up with a viable, Constitutional, Life-affirming third Party, I think a lot of us would seriously contemplate jumping over to it right about now. Of course that might be a Democrat's delight; look what Ross Perot did for you when Daddy Bush #41 flipped off his conservative Christian "base", assuming that we didn't have anywhere else to go... Then along came Mr. "All Ears", and as a consequence we got 8 years of the Clinton dynasty. Hoo-ray for you! So the GOP once again did what it seems to do best; sieze defeat from the jaws of victory. And those of us who huddle in the "big tent" and feed off of dried elephant dung are getting pretty sick of it, frankly - but dont' see anyplace any more promising to go at the moment. Congratulations, Democrats; now's your chance. Socialism looks pretty good on paper; now you get to try it out in practice right here in the good ol USA. Again... Just please; don't leave us and our children living a damned Caliphate under Sharia law. And there are more than one of us who are sorta concerned that you're apt to. If you think that us "Right wing radical extremist Christians" are a bitch, then you don't know crappe about hardcore Islam, Amigos. If you miss "church" (Mosque), you'll likely be severely beaten by the "religious police"; let them catch you having or providing an abortion and they WILL KILL you. No lawyer; no appeal; no ACLU. AK-47 to the back of the head... or public stoning, which is probably worse. Count on it. think about it. Give it your best shot, gang. We'll be watching... and waiting. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mid Term Election Fallout From: bobad Date: 10 Nov 06 - 10:59 PM "Congratulations, Democrats; now's your chance. Socialism looks pretty good on paper; now you get to try it out in practice right here in the good ol USA." Democrats - socialism? - puhleeze. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mid Term Election Fallout From: Alice Date: 10 Nov 06 - 11:10 PM Socialism and Marxism? You've been brainwashed. Get real. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mid Term Election Fallout From: number 6 Date: 10 Nov 06 - 11:28 PM Uncle Jaque ... yuppers. The boogie men are back. Gotta admit I got a 'kick' out of reading your post ... sorta like a parody editorial from a right wing version of the old Harvard Lampoon. biLL |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mid Term Election Fallout From: dianavan Date: 11 Nov 06 - 04:08 AM Gates is even more dangerous than Rumsfeld. He will be able to rig any election with his hi-tech connections. In fact, he is probably a master at hi-tech surveillance as well. We are moving away from a war on the ground and moving into tighter electronic 'security' and control at home and abroad. Gates is big brother personified. If Bush gets his way, America will not only have walls on the border but more wall within as well. All provided by Mr. Gates. Appointing him convinces me that Bush suffers from illusions of grandeur and paranoid delusions as well. Can it really be stopped? Will it be stopped? Were we able to stop Gates during the Iran/Contra affair? I probably just answered my own question! Lets see if the new House and the Senate have any real balls. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mid Term Election Fallout From: Greg F. Date: 11 Nov 06 - 11:15 AM "Parody editorial"? Not at all! Some jacqueass really do believe this delusional crap. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mid Term Election Fallout From: Ron Davies Date: 11 Nov 06 - 12:25 PM Dianavan- It's good to see that paranoia is alive and well--Gates "more dangerous" than Rumsfeld? It may depend on how much clout he has within the Bush regime. And from what I read, the Right is afraid Gates will be just a cipher--and not stand up for Bush policies against the pressure from newly resurgent Democrats. Let's see how it goes for a bit. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mid Term Election Fallout From: Barry Finn Date: 11 Nov 06 - 12:34 PM Hi Ron "Let's see how it goes for a bit." I don't think it's a case of seeing how it goes. Bush has been throwing shit at us for the last 6 yrs & trying to beat us down with Candidates that the cats wouldn't drag home & this is one more example. It's now time for him to offer up someone whose not gonna be in his pocket, is not steeped in the spy network (like his Daddy was). It's time for someone that everyone thinks is worthy of the job & has the qualifiations to do it. Settling for the lesser of 5 evils should now be a thing of the past. Hopefully. Barry |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mid Term Election Fallout From: Ron Davies Date: 11 Nov 06 - 12:36 PM " See how it goes" does not mean ignore it--just monitor it--which with the new lineup in Congress should be easier. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mid Term Election Fallout From: GUEST Date: 11 Nov 06 - 12:39 PM Yeah, we can all rest easy now that these people are in charge. I feel so much safer. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mid Term Election Fallout From: Ron Davies Date: 11 Nov 06 - 05:42 PM "Guest": Get a name or a handle......you know the rest. |
