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Subject: Lyr Req: Chantey fragment From: Vixen Date: 18 Oct 06 - 08:13 AM It's middle age setting in.... I woke up this morning (nope, it's not the blues!) with a line from a chantey in my head, and I can't get it out, and I can't remember the rest of it. Here's the line: "the ones that we leave, well we leave with regret" I searched the DT for "leave with regret" but it didn't turn up anything. Thanks in advance! V |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Chantey fragment From: Noreen Date: 18 Oct 06 - 08:21 AM It's Goodbye, fare you well Our anchor's aweigh and our sails they are set, Goodbye, fare you well; goodbye, fare you well! And the girls we are leaving we leave with regret. Hurrah, my boys, we're homeward bound! |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Chantey fragment From: Noreen Date: 18 Oct 06 - 08:25 AM The one I had in my head was Peter Bellamy's Walk around me brave boys and roll down, though according to the version in the DT these lines are not included. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Chantey fragment From: Vixen Date: 18 Oct 06 - 08:26 AM Thank you, Noreen!!! I think 8 minutes must be some kind of record... Now I know the name of it, I can probably find it in my CD collection... Mudcats are the best! Thanks again, V |
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Subject: Lyr Add: FAREWELL JULIANA From: ClaireBear Date: 18 Oct 06 - 10:19 AM A couple more options: A line like that also appears in Bold Riley, which sounds not entirely like Roll Down: "The anchor's aweigh and our sails they are set, Bold Riley O, bold Riley! And the folks we are leaving we leave with regret. Bold Riley O, Boom-a-lay! Good by my darlin, good bye my dear-O Bold Riley O. bold Riley Good by my darlin, good bye my dear-O Bold Riley O, Boom-a-lay." Full text and MIDI to Bold Riley are in the DT. Also, a whaling chanty that I love, "Farewell Juliana," (NOT Shallow Brown and NOT Julianna!) has a line like that about whales rather than girls or folks. It's a beautiful, slow waltzy sort of chanty that I learned from a Gold Ring recording forever ago. That one, amazingly, does not seem to be in the DT or the forum, so here it is: FAREWELL JULIANA Fare you well, Juliana you know. Oh row, row, row me boys. To the westward we've run and we're now comin' home. Good bye fare you well, good by fare you well. Fare you well, we must leave and go home. Oh row, row, row me boys. To the westward we've run and we're now comin' home. Good bye fare you well, good by fare you well. Fare you well to the fish in the sea. Oh row, row, row me boys. And here we come in with black fish and men. Good bye fare you well, good by fare you well. Fare you well, for our sails they are set Oh row, row, row me boys And the whales that we leave, we leave with regret, Good bye fare you well, good by fare you well. Fare you well is the fisherman's song. Oh row, row, row me boys. And here we come in with calf, cow, and men. Good bye fare you well, good by fare you well. (It's been years and this is from memory, so I may or may not have put these verses in the "right" order.) Hope that helps. Claire |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Chantey fragment From: Vixen Date: 18 Oct 06 - 10:26 AM Well what dya know!!! Claire, I've heard Farewell Juliana too. No wonder I couldn't recall the rest of the song if it's two of them... I started the Backstory Percy's Song thread to get more information on why this tune/line was stuck in my head this morning. Thank you so much! V |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Chantey fragment From: Lighter Date: 18 Oct 06 - 10:33 AM The lines in question also occur in "Rio Grande." |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Chantey fragment From: ClaireBear Date: 18 Oct 06 - 10:41 AM Re the question in your other thread, I do see a resemblance, but actually I think the melody of "Percy's Song" has more in common with "Bold Riley" than with "Goodbye Fare Thee Well." Check out the MIDI and see if you agree. I'll post this answer there as well, just to be thorough. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Chantey fragment From: Greg B Date: 18 Oct 06 - 01:20 PM Keep in mind that the working chanteyman had a trove of couplets and rhymes in his head, with the requirements that he not so much sing the 'right' ones but rather that he 1) in no case stop unless the work did and 2) make the buggers rhyme as best he could 3) try and make the whole lash-up make a bit of sense. In descending order of importance. As a result, certain commonplace phrases have been 'collected in' to specific songs, and they thus have become codified as collected by the collector. In fact they probably appeared in multiple different chanties, as applied by the chanteyman in order to fit need, circumstance, and to avoid 'dead air' (aka 'Chanteyman's disease). It's only since the age of collectors where someone could say 'that line belongs to this chantey and not to that one.' And we can only say that because it just happened that the particular remembering (or mis-remembering) source who was being asked to spew forth his memories did it that way, that time. One of the best examples of the chanteyman's real art is on Tom Sullivan's 'Salt Atlantic Chanties' where he sings 'Blow Boys Blow' and issues forth with traditional verses interspersed with topical verses which bespoke the circumstances of that voyage, like 'D-O-G goes to take a tinkle---We wrapped him up in baggy-wrinkle.' There are just some standards that always work... We're [outward|homeward] bound for [name your] Bay Get cracking me lads it's a helluva way The anchor is raised and the sails they are set [Now this line will and with regret or forget] It's goodbye to [girl you did last night] and goodbye to Sue And you who are listening it's [farewell or epithet] to you [Some something or other] our money was gone So we signed on [this packet|derogatory term|boat name] to drive her along It doesn't matter which of these you toss in, or how you embelish it, you're okay so long as you think of one on the beat...and ahead of the game if you manage to substitute something fitting to entertain and/or surprise the crew. Just don't stop. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Chantey fragment From: Little Robyn Date: 18 Oct 06 - 02:46 PM Waterson Carthy sing Goodbye Fare thee well. I can hear Norma's voice now. Robyn |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Chantey fragment From: Uncle_DaveO Date: 18 Oct 06 - 03:45 PM Noreen, the line in "Roll Down" is: The girls we are leaving, we'll never forget". Not quite what you were remembering. Dave Oesterreich |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Chantey fragment From: Artful Codger Date: 19 Oct 06 - 11:39 PM Here are the words to the Golden Ring rendition referenced by ClaireBear, as given in the original liner notes: GOODBYE, FARE YOU WELL Fare you well, Julianna, you know, Hoo row, row, row my boys. To the westward we row and we now coming home. Goodbye, fare you well, goodbye, fare you well. Fare you well to the fish in the sea, To the westward we row and we now coming home. Fare you well, let us leave and go home, And here we coming with blackfish and men. Fare you well is the fisherman's song, And here we coming with cock, cow and men. Fare you well and our sails they are set, And the whales that we leave, well, we leave with regret. Fare you well, Julianna, you know, To the westward we row and we now coming home. From The New Golden Ring, Five Days Singing, Vol. 2. Paraphrasing a bit from the liner notes: Whale fishermen said this song is especially sung during hurricane season, when boats would be kept on shore for long periods due to possible storms. Cock and cow refer to male and female whales. |
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Subject: Goodbye, Fare You Well From: Artful Codger Date: 19 Oct 06 - 11:42 PM (A post to supply an appropriate subject line for searches) |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Chantey fragment From: Lighter Date: 13 Jun 23 - 08:18 PM "Daily Item" (Lynn, Mass.) (Aug. 30, 1893), as recollected from "30 t0 40 years ago." A good example of how chanteys could be "strung out" to fit the work: We're homeward bound this very day, Good-bye, fare you well, Good-bye, fare you well. We're homeward bound this very day, Hurray, my boys, We're homeward bound. [Similarly:] We're homeward bound to A-mer-i-ca.... I thought I heard our Cap-tain say.... I'll spread my wings, and I'll fly away.... I'll sail away to A-mer-i-ca.... As I was a-walking down Liverpool street.... A pretty young damsel I chanced to meet.... Says I, 'Pretty maid, will you stand treat?'... She said, 'I will not, for I think you're a beat.'... My pretty maid, will you marry me?... No, sir, I'll not marry a man from the sea.... I swore by my toplights and sidelights as well.... That I'd stay ashore and become quite a swell.... She said that upon those conditions she['d] wed.... And straightway to a parson the pair of us sped.... That night, after supper, we started for bed.... When I saw such a sight that I nearly fell dead.... Her right arm and left eye on the table was laid.... Her teeth and her hair for which money she'd paid.... I glanced at the table and sank in a chair.... I slept on the table, much of her was there.... Next morning I shipped, and I left that shore.... May the devil catch me if I go there once more.... This combines "Goodbye, Fare You Well" with an uncommon plot line of "Blow the Man Down," a text of which was collected in the 1920s by James A. Carpenter. "Beat" = deadbeat. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Chantey fragment From: Steve Gardham Date: 14 Jun 23 - 03:06 PM Hi Jon, This may have been based on a chanty heard sung c1860 but the whole thing, much like the 'captain' versions, smacks of somebody sitting down at a desk in a leisurely fashion composing.(IMHO) |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Chantey fragment From: Lighter Date: 15 Jun 23 - 03:07 PM I'm sure it's partly a reconstruction, but it illustrates the flexibility and adaptability of chantey texts. No folkie would dream of combining two unrelated songs in this way. The audience would rise up - and not singing. |
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