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Subject: BS: Off Topic From: Bert Date: 18 Jul 06 - 05:57 PM Aaaaaah! how I wish we could go back to "The Good Old Days" when thread drift was not only allowed but encouraged. It was always part of the fun of Mudcat that a thread could develop like any normal conversation. It seems now though that we have a shoolmarm who is insisting that we keep on topic. I guess they will be dishing out lines next, or maybe even the cane. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Off Topic From: Clinton Hammond Date: 18 Jul 06 - 06:00 PM The good old days are, when looked at more closely, often neither |
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Subject: RE: BS: Off Topic From: Wesley S Date: 18 Jul 06 - 06:01 PM Bert - care to offer any examples ? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Off Topic From: Georgiansilver Date: 18 Jul 06 - 06:02 PM As the three elephants crossed our path we noticed that their skins were quite wrinkled and the ivory tusks were all damaged. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Off Topic From: Bert Date: 18 Jul 06 - 06:02 PM Well they were days at least. Maybe not quite as good as we remeber them but that's no excuse to make today worse. ;-) And yer right Mudcat isn't THAT old. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Off Topic From: Clinton Hammond Date: 18 Jul 06 - 06:03 PM Putting the clamp on thread drift improves the discourse here at this place quite a bit |
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Subject: RE: BS: Off Topic From: Bert Date: 18 Jul 06 - 06:29 PM Unfortunately Wesley, the offending message was deleted without comment. It was only later that it came to my attention that it had been moved because it was off topic. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Off Topic From: Bert Date: 18 Jul 06 - 06:30 PM Georgiansilver, Are you being personal? My skin is all wrinkled and my poor ol' tusks ain't in such good shape either. ;-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Off Topic From: gnomad Date: 18 Jul 06 - 06:32 PM You can get stuff off topic here, Bert. I like a bit of thread drift, me. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Off Topic From: Georgiansilver Date: 18 Jul 06 - 06:32 PM Bert. I hope you are capable of blowing your own trumpet...that will assure me you are a true elephant. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Off Topic From: Bert Date: 18 Jul 06 - 06:39 PM Nice one gnomad. And of course I ALWAYS blow my own trumpet - I wish I didn't keep forgetting things though 'cos that disqualifies be from elephanthood. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Off Topic From: Georgiansilver Date: 18 Jul 06 - 06:41 PM LOL |
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Subject: RE: BS: Off Topic From: Rapparee Date: 18 Jul 06 - 08:42 PM I play the trumpet. I can certainly toot my own horn. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Off Topic From: Bee-dubya-ell Date: 18 Jul 06 - 09:46 PM This thread does present one with a bit of a paradox. Since it is entitled "Off Topic", are we to best achieve Bert's objective in starting it by remaining on topic and robustly discussing the topic of off-topicness, or would we be more faithful to his goal by abandoning the idea of trying to remain on topic and just wandering off into the topic hinterlands? Or would it perhaps be best to circumvent the issue entirely by posting questions that make people go, "Huh?" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Off Topic From: Bobert Date: 18 Jul 06 - 09:50 PM How 'bout them Cubs??? (Oh, you say they stink???...) Hey, I was just tryin' to make some conversation... You think I follow baseball??? Geeze, Loiuse... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Off Topic From: bobad Date: 18 Jul 06 - 09:51 PM Ever wonder why you don't see as many goiters as you used to? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Off Topic From: GUEST Date: 18 Jul 06 - 09:53 PM The schoolmarm has been trying to remake the mudcat over in her own image since she arrived. She has succeeded, in my opinion. She's got a cadre of b*****s that will help her out. They can have the place. harpgirl |
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Subject: RE: BS: Off Topic From: SharonA Date: 18 Jul 06 - 10:17 PM Bert failed to mention that he's rather tall, which would give him one more elephant-like attribute. Come to think of it, last time I saw him, he was kinda gray, too... :^) Which "schoolmarm" are we talking about here? I can think of a couple of 'em. Whoever she is, she should have typed a comment about where she moved the off-topic post that offended her, and why she felt it necessary to edit a thread! (...and, of course, who moved the post!) Oops, sorry, was I supposed to go off-topic on this thread? Okay... I drove for 45 minutes through a really violent thunderstorm to go to a song circle this evening -- flooded roads, blown-down tree limbs and road signs to drive around, nonfunctioning traffic lights -- only to find that the circle was cancelled because the coffeehouse had lost electricitiy (along with half the town) and was closed. So I had to drive back home through the obstacle course -- arrgh. I hate when that happens. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Off Topic From: Sorcha Date: 18 Jul 06 - 10:26 PM And hockey's back...whadda ya tink? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Off Topic From: Bee-dubya-ell Date: 18 Jul 06 - 10:58 PM I heard an interview with Hockney on NPR yesterday. The painter, not the character from "The Usual Suspects". He's dead. The character, that is, not the painter. No, not Kevin Pollack, the actor who played Hockney. He's alive. I guess. If he died, nobody told me. What was the topic again? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Off Topic From: Clinton Hammond Date: 18 Jul 06 - 11:32 PM "They can have the place." Then fuck off |
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Subject: RE: BS: Off Topic From: Alba Date: 18 Jul 06 - 11:34 PM Seems like there are quite few people that covet the golden edit button, even behave like they have a pretend one! Ah yes, an editor button and all the power that goes along with it............. mwahahahaha....(* mad laughter *) If I ruled the Mudcat, every Thread would be about anything, Britney Spears and Smoothies, Gigs and bits of String 'on topic Threads' are so silly let's talk Chicken wings.... If I ruled the Mudcat. I'd ban all Members and make everyone Guests. I'd grant each person their every personal request As for the DT. well feck it, jeez i'm doing my best ~~~~~~~~ My Mudcat, would be one hellava place, full of chaos and nasty back biting My Mudcat, would be a feckin disgrace but seems some Folks would find that enlightening. ~~~~~~~~ If I ruled the Mudcat Moderators would be banned from this place, No Songs or BS or Mudcat Getaways Scrap Trad Music Well admit it, Trad is old anyway(s)! If I ruled, sorry if WE sorry if our... ach feck it, you know what...... Let someone else run it. click! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Off Topic From: katlaughing Date: 18 Jul 06 - 11:37 PM Well done, Jude!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Off Topic From: Bert Date: 19 Jul 06 - 12:21 AM Aaah! Bee-dubya-ell in the good old days it wouldn't have been a paradox as long as you didn't threaten anyone you could have said what you like. But seeing as THIS thread is about being off topic, you can say what you like here. Aw, SharonA, "kinda gray" you're being too polite decidedly gray would be closer to the truth. And I hope that wasn't Steel City you went to. Alba, Where can I get one of those pretend buttons? Nice song, I don't agree with it, but a good laugh anyway. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Off Topic From: Peace Date: 19 Jul 06 - 12:31 AM "Ever wonder why you don't see as many goiters as you used to?" Actually, yes! Kids used to wear them when I was young. Now, they just aren't around anymore. Wot's that about then? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Off Topic From: Peace Date: 19 Jul 06 - 12:42 AM They still make 'em, though . . . . |
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Subject: RE: BS: Off Topic From: Peace Date: 19 Jul 06 - 12:52 AM Uh huh! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Off Topic From: CarolC Date: 19 Jul 06 - 12:54 AM What was the topic of the thread that the post was deleted from, Bert? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Off Topic From: Ebbie Date: 19 Jul 06 - 01:37 AM Now, was that 'goiters' or 'garters', Peace? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Off Topic From: Sorcha Date: 19 Jul 06 - 01:41 AM Actually, it was gaiters......and I tink Peace needs his meds too.... :) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Off Topic From: Joe Offer Date: 19 Jul 06 - 03:56 AM Is this the message you were referring to, Bert?
The same message was posted in a good number of threads (about eight threads, I believe), and yes, I deleted most (but not all) copies of the message. Or was it this one:
Or is it the attacks people post against women and Jewish Mudcatters and handicapped people? What is it you want me to do with them, Bert???? Or is it the complaints about thread closing that were posted in the Licensing Act thread AND a Gospel/Gaelic thread - I moved them to the thread closing thread. Were those messages "thread drift," Bert - or were they hijacking?? Do we have to make sure that every thread reserves space for a certain privileged individual to complain about Mudcat editing? Tell me. "Thread drift" is natural and healthy, and fun - but not when one individual intentionally hijacks large numbers of threads, all for the purpose of complaining about a single off-topic subject. I don't like closing threads and I don't like deleting, so lately I've attempted to resolve problems by moving contentious messages into consolidation threads, so the original discussions can continue on the original topics. It's not a perfect solution, but it has some value. You can find moved messages by clicking on the sender's name in any message he's posted, like this (click) Give us a break, Bert. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Off Topic From: John MacKenzie Date: 19 Jul 06 - 07:23 AM Then there's continental drift, and there's the north Atlantic drift, there's snow drifts, and drift nets, and drifts of petals in the street after the Festival of the Flowers in Jersey. There's a copper drift that you can use to drive 2 pieces of metal apart without damaging either. like knocking a bearing off an axle, cos it had been knocking, and you had to take it off to replace it, if you get my drift! Giok |
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Subject: RE: BS: Off Topic From: Sorcha Date: 19 Jul 06 - 10:28 AM Get Dreft! (soap made specially for diapers/nappies) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Off Topic From: freda underhill Date: 19 Jul 06 - 10:40 AM Jeremy Bentham, a British philosopher who died in 1832,left his entire estate to the London Hospital provided that his body be allowed to preside over its board meetings. His skeleton was clothed and fitted with a wax mask of his face. It was present at the meeting for 92 years. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Off Topic From: Rapparee Date: 19 Jul 06 - 11:36 AM I posted this to MOAB, but I feel it needs wider dissemination (or disovulation, if you prefer). Please read it carefully, for you never know when you might need to know this. Surgical removal of a seminoma from a black sea bass. Weisse C, Weber ES, Matzkin Z, Klide A. Department of Clinical Studies, School of Veterinary Medicine, University of Pennsylvania, Philadelphia 19104-6010, USA. An adult black sea bass was examined because of abdominal distention and decreased appetite. A large abdominal swelling was evident and was firm on palpation. Differential diagnoses included neoplasia, abscess or granuloma, hematoma, or swim bladder abnormality. Diagnostic tests included survey radiography, positive-contrast radiography, and computed tomography. The sea bass was anesthetized with tricaine methanesulfonate. A ventral midline abdominal incision was made, and adhesions to the mass were gently dissected. The fish recovered without complications. Radiography was repeated 8 weeks after surgery, and there was no evidence of mass regrowth. To the authors' knowledge, this is the first report of a barium enema being performed in a fish. Although surgical procedures are performed more commonly on fish for research, a few reports of clinical surgical cases have been described. Our experience supports the conclusions of other reports that certain surgical procedures can be performed safely in fish. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Off Topic From: Sorcha Date: 19 Jul 06 - 11:36 AM Oh dear, fred.....how FUNNY! I assume they left it til the money ran out??? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Off Topic From: SharonA Date: 19 Jul 06 - 11:44 AM Bert: It was indeed Steel City! How did you know? As for "kinda gray", well, that's what I remember from when you used to go to BCFSS meetings in the distant past. Hey, why don't you drop in at a meeting sometime when you're back East... or don't you come back East anymore? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Off Topic From: freda underhill Date: 19 Jul 06 - 12:21 PM well, he wanted an "off" topic, Sorch!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Off Topic From: Bert Date: 19 Jul 06 - 12:29 PM Joe, how the ^%$#^%$ should I know which message it was 'cos it was GONE. All I'm asking is that if a message is moved or deleted then leave a note saying where it has gone and why. Then it will be possible to follow the continuity of the thread. Simple really and not too much to ask. Sharon, I just took a guess, I used to go there every week. I'm in Colorado at the moment but might make a trip to Phoenixville an a few weeks time. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Off Topic From: Bill D Date: 19 Jul 06 - 12:37 PM "Drifting along with the tumbling tumbleweed" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Off Topic From: Joe Offer Date: 19 Jul 06 - 12:53 PM No, Bert, it's not going to happen. When I delete Spam, I'm not going to post an explanation. When I delete eight copies of the same message from eight different threads, I'm not going to post eight explanations. When I delete a personal attack, I'm not going to reinforce the attack by posting an explanation. When Shambles posts complaints in eight different threads, I'm not going to post an explanation when I consolidate those complaints. The posts we delete are destructive, problem-causing posts. Oftentimes, they are posted in quantities of ten to a hundred. They're messy, and cleaning them up is messy - especially when people have responded to them. So, No, Bert, for the last time, I am not going to post an explanation when I delete a message. That being said, there are times when I do post an explanation, when doing so makes sense. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Off Topic From: Ron Davies Date: 19 Jul 06 - 11:23 PM Hey, Bert, c'mon back to the Kitchen Table. You can always talk about anything you want. We'll be glad to hear it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Off Topic From: Bert Date: 20 Jul 06 - 01:19 AM Well Joe, if you delete just ONE message without an explanation then you open yourself up to any Mudcatter saying "Hey MY message was deleted" and you will have NO WAY of disproving it. If you can't take the time and trouble to be open and above board in your editing then I'd suggest that you stop editing for a while. The reason I started this thread is because I was trying to follow a thread and came across a message that didn't make sense. I tried going back and reading the (very long) thread again and still couldn't make sense of the message. It wasn't until later that I discovered that a message had been moved. I am still seriously pissed that some discourteous moron would go into a thread and move a message without saying so or why. So I say to you and all the other clones (myself included). If you can't take the time and trouble to be open and above board in your editing, the keep your sticky bloody fingers off the keyboard. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Off Topic From: Liz the Squeak Date: 20 Jul 06 - 03:59 AM Topic - a hazlenut in every bite! Anyone else remember them? LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Off Topic From: Georgiansilver Date: 20 Jul 06 - 04:37 AM I thought that was squirrel crap Liz, not topic. I really liked the catchy tune to the Topic ad. What's got a hazelnut in every bite, Thick milk chocolate for your delight |
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Subject: RE: BS: Off Topic From: Liz the Squeak Date: 20 Jul 06 - 05:35 AM Wasn't the squirrel in the advert voiced by Bill Oddie? LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Off Topic From: Alba Date: 20 Jul 06 - 07:00 AM Oh Liz, I loved Topics and yes it was Bill Oddie ( of the Goodies?) that did the voice over on the Advert. MMM, now I am thinking Chocy and it's only 7am here in my house....!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Off Topic From: Alba Date: 20 Jul 06 - 07:41 AM Jeez bert. I didn't know you were on the Mudcat Admin Team! I get the impression you dislike the other volunteers you work with here behind the scenes. That is one nasty post you got going there Bert, nasty. Surely the feelings you expressed could have remained a private exchange instead of subjecting us to seeing that kind of venom from a Clone towards other Clones here in public on the Forum. I like your posts a lot Bert but frankly that particular post is pretty distrubing on a lot of levels. I also thought that Clones were supposed to be anon!! J |
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Subject: RE: BS: Off Topic From: GUEST,Moaner Lisa Date: 20 Jul 06 - 08:38 AM even the clones can have moans. maybe it was a bad thread day. off to the kitchen table. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Off Topic From: Alba Date: 20 Jul 06 - 09:26 AM Of course people have bad days, but most of them don't go public about it and resort to verbally bashing the Team of people they "supposedly" work closely with behind the scenes here on the Mudcatin a Thread in the Bullshit section. Off to my Garden, as I have now finished sitting at my kitchen table. Have a GOOD day Guest. Life is short, sieze the moment. I intend too:) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Off Topic From: Georgiansilver Date: 20 Jul 06 - 10:42 AM Yes it was then OFF Topic and onto 'Double Deckers' as a consequence of which I have lost my eight pack...yes I had an eight pack not a six pack...it is now a keg, approaching a barrel. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Off Topic From: Bert Date: 20 Jul 06 - 12:45 PM I tried that a long time ago Alba and things got better for a while but now the sneaky underhanded deletions have started up again. I know the post was nasty that was the intention. I think that it is nasty to delete a person's message without even say that you have done so. I can see no reason whatsoever for editing to be done in secret. It just causes dissention and casts a shadow on all of us clones. I am not saying that the clones have to give thier own name when editing a message but just let us know what is going on. The way things are at the moment it opens an opportunity for any clone to wage a personal vendetta against whom they chose. This is a situation which should not continue. Hey Squeaks, this thread is about OFF TOPIC, I know you're a chocolate lover, so the question is... Do you get off on every bite? ;-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Off Topic From: John MacKenzie Date: 20 Jul 06 - 12:53 PM Every bite of what Bert? G. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Off Topic From: jacqui.c Date: 20 Jul 06 - 01:02 PM 'The way things are at the moment it opens an opportunity for any clone to wage a personal vendetta against whom they chose. This is a situation which should not continue.' But the clones have to inform Joe of any deletions made and Joe then has the option to reinstate any that are considered to be unreasonable. I've never found that to be a problem and, from my point of view, it is better that deletions occur than that the nastiness is left there. I, for one, do not want to see threads hijacked to foster any particular poster's pet gripes or to have the filth that tended to accompany Martin Gibson. I like the way that this site is run, it suits me. Bert - you seem to be in a very, very small minority that disagree with the way this site is run. What does that tell you? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Off Topic From: Bert Date: 20 Jul 06 - 01:08 PM jacqui.c ...But the clones have to inform Joe of any deletions made... No they don't. Joe would like them to of course as it enhances his control of Mudcat. ...I, for one, do not want to see threads hijacked to foster any particular poster's pet gripes or to have the filth that tended to accompany... Nor do I, but I don't see any reason for editing to be done in secret. It just gives an opportinitgy for clones to carry out any personal vendetta they chose. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Off Topic From: frogprince Date: 20 Jul 06 - 01:31 PM Bert, take a deep breath and consider what Joe said. Some individual, or a very few individuals, have been cluttering up the place with totally useless garbage. This includes multiple copies of the same junk, strewn over all kinds of threads. Joe, and the clones, have an ongoing thankless job of trying to keep track of it and shovel it away. That has to be a tedious, disgusting, use of time they would rather be using for any number of other purposes. You're insisting that, everytime they remove a shovelful of crap, they also take the time to print and stake out a separate sign of explanation. It's not about secrecy, conspiracy, or a vendetta against anybody. It's just that there is only so much that it is reasonable to ask of everybody. We're not talking about someone's medical care, or the evidence in a criminal trial; it's a bunch of conversation, usually casual and often frivolous. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Off Topic From: MMario Date: 20 Jul 06 - 01:40 PM Heey Bert! The same person who hijacks *ALSO* makes numberous posts complaining about editorial comments of any sort instead of as a seperate posting. What's the solution to that? Because if they don't go where the deiting is done, then again, you've lost conitnuity etc - which is what seems to bother you. the editing obviously isn't "secret" because the results are easily visible. and there are always fingers around to point at editing that has been done. god knows most spam posts are on site for less then a minute before people are complaining about them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Off Topic From: Bert Date: 20 Jul 06 - 01:40 PM ..It's not about secrecy, conspiracy, or a vendetta against anybody... OK. PROVE IT! ...It's just that there is only so much that it is reasonable to ask of everybody... Actually there are several of us clones but Joe has specifically requested that HE be the only one to delete messages. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Off Topic From: Alba Date: 20 Jul 06 - 01:47 PM No Bert you need to prove it. The burden of proof lies with the person making the accusations, and, if you are a Clone as you say you are then,how can YOU be a regular Member and a part of the Admin Team here. That's a bit screwed up. That means you just might have your favorites on the Forum that you allow to get away with all sorts of crap on here. Sorry Darlin but I think you are WAY off base and are over stepping the mark with this one. I just don't see what your getting pissed at. Honestly. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Off Topic From: katlaughing Date: 20 Jul 06 - 02:00 PM Bertdarlin', I remember when we were so excited about getting to be joe clones, we did often make a note of when we fixed html or deleted duplicate posts and we signed with anonymous "joe clone" appellations. Ya know I love ya, but if you are not happy with the authority Max has given Joe and Jeff in regards to deletions/editing, then perhaps you should turn in your edit button. I don't think any of the joe clones, whom Max obviously trusts, should have to publicly make a note everytime they shovel a load of manure from the *stall.* kat |
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Subject: RE: BS: Off Topic From: Wesley S Date: 20 Jul 06 - 02:12 PM If they clones DID put notes every time they deleated something then we would just have a different series of arguments. No less - just different. Ya can't please everybody. If Max is OK with how things are going that should end the argument. Somehow I don't feel like that's going to happen however. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Off Topic From: Wolfgang Date: 20 Jul 06 - 02:52 PM The starting post of this thread is completely wrong in my opinion in two implicit assumptions. (1) Thread drift is no longer allowed or encouraged. Actually, it still is and you can see many good examples each day. (2) The 'shoolmarm' is guilty that the good old times are gone. If only she left we'd have the good old times again. A parable: Once there were 6 friends who came together and made music and shared stories. It was wonderful and each of them fondly remembers these days. Word went around that they had a good time and more and more people arrived, received with open arms. The new arrivals were mostly known to one of them and if not they made themselves known quickly. They had still a great time with even more stories and songs to share and none of them was more equal than the others except that where they met was a place that belonged to one of them. They always cleaned up after the session and apologised after a heated exchange. There was no need felt for any 'officials' or rules because the session did run smoothly without them. After some years, more and more people came attracted by the large crowd. Some of them even didn't actually like the music but wanted to seel things or were brawls or just liked to elicit heated discussions in which they could insult everyone. The place was often not cleaned after the session, people urinated in the bushes and those that came for the music at times did not feel comfortable any longer. Rules and officials to enforce the rules were then introduced. Most people did understand that these officials would let pass a borderline remark on a quiet night and would deal differently with the same remark on a night of fighting. Some few didn't. The officials had a lot to do, for the nastiness, the garbage, the brawls came not in smaller numbers. Then one of the original six, Hans L., had a clever idea: If all those things we do not like still happen despite all the attempts at control and containement, how would it be if we had no controls beyond self control. In the good old times we had no control and it was great, now we have control and it is worse than it was. So if we remove the main difference between now and the golden age, namely the controls, we shall have the golden age again... Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: BS: Off Topic From: Bert Date: 20 Jul 06 - 02:58 PM Wolfgang, Re 1) If just one instance of thread drift is stopped then how do any of us know when and where it is OK to get off topic? 2) If the shoolmarm hadn't consistently and secretively waged war against a certain member then nobody would have anything to complain about and peace would reign over Mudcat. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Off Topic From: John MacKenzie Date: 20 Jul 06 - 03:12 PM Perhaps if the member concerned stopped his all out vendetta against the 'schoolmarm'[not my description]he might receive more considerate treatment. That is if he is being treated inconsiderately in the first place? Giok |
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Subject: RE: BS: Off Topic From: Ebbie Date: 20 Jul 06 - 03:28 PM I've worked with and dealt with volunteers all my adult life. When a volunteer becomes unhappy with what another volunteer is doing you don't fix it by attacking the volunteer. If you want to continue in your position you don't make your unhappiness and discontent known to the other volunteers- You go to the one who supervises you. God bless the volunteers. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Off Topic From: Bert Date: 20 Jul 06 - 03:59 PM ...That is if he is being treated inconsiderately in the first place? ... How would we know when it is being carried out IN SECRET? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Off Topic From: jacqui.c Date: 20 Jul 06 - 06:25 PM Last week Shambles put the same post on a number of different threads. The message was nothing to do with the content of the thread, just Shambles trying, once again, to force through his opinion about the way the site is run. I PMd Joe to let him know that another outbreak had begun - it had been so pleasant for a few weeks not to have threads hijacked in that fashion. I presume that Joe did what was necessary to prevent up to eight interesting threads being turned into battlegrounds again. I'm not sorry that I did what I did. I am sorry that there are members on this site who find it impossible just to enjoy the site without peppering different threads with posts that are obviously going to start trouble. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Off Topic From: Bill D Date: 20 Jul 06 - 06:27 PM uh, Bert...this all sounds too much like Shamble's routine, where convoluted debate about rules becomes an end in itself. Are you sure it wouldn't be better to just either shrug and play the game as it is currently defined? (Or talk to Joe, Jeff & Max privately) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Off Topic From: robomatic Date: 20 Jul 06 - 08:07 PM Don't you just hate it when your dry erase marker goes onto the floor and instead of realizing it and going after it immediately you get lazy and forget and then you use a permanent marker? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Off Topic From: katlaughing Date: 20 Jul 06 - 08:13 PM How would we know when it is being carried out IN SECRET? If it WAS secret, we wouldn't be having this discussion, would we? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Off Topic From: Wolfgang Date: 24 Jul 06 - 09:57 AM waged war against a certain member (Bert) Wrong again, the behaviour is the focus of the action and not the member. Two completely different things. Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: BS: Off Topic From: Mrrzy Date: 24 Jul 06 - 09:58 PM That's if it were secret, kat! (*BG*) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Off Topic From: Bert Date: 24 Jul 06 - 10:27 PM It was secret because the perpetrator kept quiet about it. It is known now because the victim spoke out. ...where convoluted debate about rules becomes an end in itself... Debate about the rules in this case is only happenning because there is a suspicion of them being applied unfairly. Of course we'll never know as long as editors keep doing things surrepticiously. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Off Topic From: katlaughing Date: 25 Jul 06 - 01:27 AM How would we know when it is being carried out IN SECRET? If it WAS secret, we wouldn't be having this discussion, would we? No, Mrrzy..."it" is singular, in the above, therefore "it is/was/has been." It did pass the spelling and grammar check. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Off Topic From: Joe Offer Date: 25 Jul 06 - 02:13 AM Hey, it's subjunctive, so it's were... Subjunctives, the Lost Art of the English Language, lesson one:It wasn't secret. If it were secret, then maybe I wouldn't have all these people bitching about it. 'Nuff said. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Off Topic From: katlaughing Date: 25 Jul 06 - 11:18 AM Bad grammar check! Thanks, Joe. Sorry Mrzzy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Off Topic From: GUEST Date: 27 Jul 06 - 07:42 PM looks to me like the more of us leave, the worse the infighting gets. maybe the place will just implode. the bs is a small minority of mudcatters but the majority of that minority just likes to fight and side with the power elite. same people saying the same stuff over and over. the editors are the worst. bert give up. it isn't going to change. its not shambles...its the people that keep fighting him. change the structure of mudcat or it will stay the same. all the talk in the world isn't going to change it. these people just have nothing better to do. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Off Topic From: Bert Date: 27 Jul 06 - 08:41 PM You're probably right GUEST. |
