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Subject: BS: Sam Smiths From: Dave Hanson Date: 17 Jul 06 - 08:12 AM As reported in the Yorkshire Post this morning, Sam Smiths management have sent instructions to their landlords to serve their beer 5 percent short measured, I think HM Weights and Measures may have something to say about this but there is a rumour that this feckin so called feckin Labour feckin government have already agreed that they can sell beer a maximum 5 percent short. Aren't we all glad they banned music in Smiths pubs, now the beer drinkers as well as the music lovers can stay away. I wouldn't drink this shite if it was 10 pence a pint. eric |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sam Smiths From: manitas_at_work Date: 17 Jul 06 - 08:32 AM Pay them 5% short and withhold the money until you get a top up. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sam Smiths From: Dave (the ancient mariner) Date: 17 Jul 06 - 08:40 AM deduct 5% of the price and 5% of the tax when you pay for it, and you will soon see a return to fair measures.. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sam Smiths From: GUEST,Jon Date: 17 Jul 06 - 08:51 AM I see there is a Camera campaign here about 95% pints. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sam Smiths From: muppitz Date: 17 Jul 06 - 08:58 AM I used to work for a different pub chain. In my time with that company, I worked in 7 different pubs and in every one the managers were all paranoid about short serving, they were always telling us to make sure we served a full measure just incase we were blessed with a visit from Weights & Measures. The company gets a lot of stick and sometimes the quality of the beer leaves a lot to be desired but at least they serve it properly. I can't believe Sam Smith's would be so stupid as to leave themselves wide open for massive fines and/or closure! muppitz x |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sam Smiths From: GUEST,Jon Date: 17 Jul 06 - 09:01 AM As far as I can make out, they are not leaving themselves open, muppitz, they are just serving the minimum quantity allowed by law. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sam Smiths From: robomatic Date: 17 Jul 06 - 10:42 AM Is this what we know in the States as Samuel Smith's which comes to us in the long necked shouldered bottles at the price of good champagne (and worth it)? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sam Smiths From: Dave the Gnome Date: 17 Jul 06 - 11:05 AM Can you get a double whiskey in that pint? Yes, certainly sir! Well, fill the f£$%ing thing with beer then... :D (tG) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sam Smiths From: Les from Hull Date: 17 Jul 06 - 11:43 AM In common with many friends, I have not been in a Sam Smith's pub since they banned music. And there's just another reason to stay away. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sam Smiths From: GUEST,Domnull Date: 17 Jul 06 - 12:16 PM What a load of plop! - I insist on my pint of Sams having a decent head on it; nothing worse than fecking it up by topping it up right to the brim - my local has excellent cellaring skills, and the creamy head on their Sams bitter is part of the pleasure of the pint - just like a pint of Guiness - our local will generally ask the customer whether they want it topped up - I suppose 'lined' glasses may allow a full pint and a head, but if they pulled pints to 5% short of the 'line', it would probably cause even more fuss - at £1.26 for an excellent pint, who gives a tinker's cuss? - (I do, however, think HS is a twat for banning music (especially live music) in Sams pubs) Cheers! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sam Smiths From: Dave Hanson Date: 18 Jul 06 - 03:08 AM guest Domnul ? guest Marmaduke feckin Smith more like. It may be cheap but it's still crap. eric |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sam Smiths From: Liz the Squeak Date: 18 Jul 06 - 05:44 AM The whole point of introducing the straight 'line' glasses was to enable the drinker to get a FULL 100% pint PLUS the head. If you have a pint with a head that begins below the line, you are not getting a full pint of beer because the head is mostly air bubbles. They're also easier to wash and stack than the good old dimpled pint mugs were. LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sam Smiths From: GUEST,MC Fat Date: 18 Jul 06 - 06:38 AM How about reporting Sams to evry Trading Standards Department in every county where they have pubs the robbing bastards. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sam Smiths From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 18 Jul 06 - 06:56 AM No need to report 'em! The purpose of the five percent margin is to allow for the certainty that some pints will come up short. As long as humans pull 'em, that will happen. If Sam Smiths eat up that margin in search of extra profit (and, with the music gone the beer has to be cheap to get the punters in), future visits by Weights & Measures will be followed by multiple prosecutions, and the fines ain't chickenfeed. Sam Smiths are gonna get stung, and serve 'em bloody right. DonT. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sam Smiths From: GUEST,Jon Date: 18 Jul 06 - 07:09 AM Don, apparently there is a margin of error allowed on top of the 95%. It looks as if they could get down to 92% without prosecution. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sam Smiths From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 18 Jul 06 - 10:34 AM If so, Jon, it looks like another example of government protecting the corporate fat cat, while he happily screws the consumer. Don't matter tho', as this one is so greedy he'll inevitably run through THAT margin as well. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sam Smiths From: Geoff the Duck Date: 18 Jul 06 - 10:54 AM Strange, I posted a long discussion of lined glasses at lunchtime, but it seems to not be here. I wonder which thread I posted it on??? Quack! GtD.
So, what did you say about lined glasses? -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sam Smiths From: Dave Hanson Date: 19 Jul 06 - 02:49 AM I can see no reason not to use oversize glasses, it's been done before, when metered pumps were introduced in the sixties, it could easily be done again, just replace with lined glasses as you go. eric |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sam Smiths From: Geoff the Duck Date: 19 Jul 06 - 03:51 AM That was part of my lost posting. Quack! GtD. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sam Smiths From: GUEST,Jon Date: 19 Jul 06 - 05:07 AM Don, that is the way I am reading it. From http://www.watfordcamra.org.uk/honestpint.htm Confusion has surrounded whether the frothy head should be included in the price of a pint for over 40 years. The Weights & Measures Act 1979 included a provision allowing ministers to exclude the froth from the measured quantity of beer, but the provision was never enacted and was removed from the statute book in 1993. In Labour's original manifesto pledge they promised that 'drinkers will get what they pay for under Labour,' but the pledge was quietly dropped from their manifesto and it now seems that the Department of Trade and Industry (DTI) is likely to bow to industry pressure and define a pint as no less than 95% liquid. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sam Smiths From: Dave Hanson Date: 19 Jul 06 - 07:08 AM This needs a test case taking to law, a pint is a pint, no more no less. eric |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sam Smiths From: GUEST,Jon Date: 19 Jul 06 - 08:16 AM The froth one is never quite straightfoward though Dave, particularly with drinks like Guiness that don't (to me anyway) taste right without a head. Personally, I do favour the line glass approach with the pint meaning a pint of liquid and as for drinks like Guiness, they are too expensive anyway (never drink the stuff now for that reason plus there are some very decent real ales round here) but I'm sure they could always stick another couple of pence on thier price... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sam Smiths From: Liz the Squeak Date: 20 Jul 06 - 04:15 AM One solution - don't drink creamy headed beers.. go for the southern stuff with no head and a decent hoppy taste! LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sam Smiths From: Dave Hanson Date: 20 Jul 06 - 04:40 AM Can't be any worse than Sam Smiths Liz. eric |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sam Smiths From: GUEST,Dennis Date: 20 Jul 06 - 05:04 AM Eric, Eric To (mis)quote Queen Gertrude: "Methinks thou protesteth too much" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sam Smiths From: manitas_at_work Date: 20 Jul 06 - 05:12 AM Before we go any further let's get one thing sorted out. "Southern" beers *do* have a head. It's just not expected to continue all the way down the glass except for a circle of bubbles around the glass. A full head is expected when first pulled but it won't be the tight creamy head associated with "Northern" beers. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sam Smiths From: GUEST,padgett Date: 20 Jul 06 - 06:21 AM Usual that pints pulled initially will have a head until it settles Also usual to leave the pint on the bar until it settles, you can then see how much it is under measurement and ask for it to be topped up the lined glass then permits a head on top of the pint measurement asked for and paid for A pint is apint of liquid not a measurement shown to the line, which has got to be less than a pint! Anything other than this is an under measurement and any law saying otherwise is government pandering to the fat cat breweries that keep political parties afloat Ray |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sam Smiths From: Dave Hanson Date: 20 Jul 06 - 07:14 AM Dennis, it's my way of having fun. eric |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sam Smiths From: Richard Bridge Date: 20 Jul 06 - 08:25 PM Tell the barman you want a full pint. If they don't give you one, leave it on the bar and walk. The contract is formed when they state the price and you accept it, and not until then. Pharmaceutical Society of Great Britan -v- Boots the Chemists. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sam Smiths From: Big Phil Date: 21 Jul 06 - 04:40 PM "Go for the southern stuff with no head and a decent hoppy taste" [Gnats p!ss] as we say up North |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sam Smiths From: Liz the Squeak Date: 21 Jul 06 - 06:19 PM Huh.... Like to see you try and stand after 3 pints of Tanglefoot! LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sam Smiths From: Dave Hanson Date: 22 Jul 06 - 12:38 AM 3 pints of Tanglefoot !!!!!!! bloody 'ell I'm not even getting into my stride, now 3 pints of Thatchers Falling Down perhaps. eric |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sam Smiths From: Manitas_at_home Date: 22 Jul 06 - 03:28 AM I seem to remember a certain morris team from Gorton coming down on a Day of Dance in London and complaining that the beer was too strong. "It's all loopy juice down here!" If you look at beer strengths you will notice that weaker beers were historically preferred in industrial areas, Wales, Northern England, the London Docks where it was necessary to drink large quantities to slake thirsts and lay dust without getting drunk. Strong beers were for drinking at leisure. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sam Smiths From: Liz the Squeak Date: 22 Jul 06 - 03:41 AM I seem to remember telling a Londoner to be careful when he came down to Dorset and said that he'd drunk 5 pints in an evening and been perfectly OK.... Not when those 5 pints are Tanglefoot..... He was not well. Really not well. So not well we had to stop 3 times on the drive home the next day before we even got out of the next county. LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sam Smiths From: Dave the Gnome Date: 22 Jul 06 - 04:08 AM I remember a bloke in the White Lion saying "Old Tom, hah! I drink Fullers ESB at home, mate!" When I saw him on the car park a couple of hours later playing guess his own name I didn't like to point outthat Old Tom was 8.5% ABV :D (tG) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sam Smiths From: HuwG Date: 22 Jul 06 - 04:49 AM Note to USaians and lager drinkers: Bitter beer is either "cask" or "keg". Keg beers are usually pumped by gas top-pressure systems (carbon dioxide forces the beer along the system and carbonates it, a system which CAMRA hates) or electric pumps. They have "smoothflow" nozzles to the pumps, with small apertures which together with the artificial pumping provide the creamy head. "Cask" beers are usually hand-pulled (though there is usually a small air pump which prevents beer flowing back into the barrel when the handle is released; this would stir up sediment and cause cloudiness). See wikipedia Cask_beer. Personally, I prefer to wind the sparkler on the pump tight enough to hear "cavitation rattle" as the pint is pulled; then let the head settle while I sort out the change, then unwind the sparkler and top up. This gives a small but creamy head, without losing flavour (hopefully). If you insist on keg, "Gizza pinta smoove", on your own head be it. |
