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Subject: BS: Do fighting fish have guardian angels?! From: *daylia* Date: 09 Jul 06 - 07:53 AM After what happened the other day, I almost believe! I have two siamese fighting fish, in separate vases with lilies growing out the top, roots exposed directly to the water. Very pretty, and so relaxing to watch at the end of a long day. Well, the other day I was on my way to town. Double checked everything ... to-do list was complete, all the banking stuff accurately prepared, hat and runners and water bottle in the car (just in case I felt the urge to go for a hike later around beautiful Kempenfelt Bay). Checked the lights and doors and windows, made sure the cat was out - everything seemed secure. Grabbed my handbag, locked the back door, went out to the garage and started the car. ANd sat there. And sat there. And sat there --- engine running, feeling suddenly confused. Feeling like I'd forgotten something, pretty sure I hadn't. Went to back out of the garage -- and couldn't. Something inside was 'bucking' my plans. An urge was growing, really strong, to go back inside the house. Fought it for a minute or two, and gave up. Turned the car off, and went back inside. Stood there for a couple minutes, looking around my neat and tidy (for once!) little house. Everything seemed in order ... why couldn't I leave? Everything was ready and I wanted to go, darn it all! What's wrong with me?!? Found myself plunked in front of the computer again, clicking onto Mudcat, reading a post or two -- most unwillingly. Deriding myself the whole time ("Gonna waste your whole day at the computer again, huh? C'mon, it's a beautiful day out there, there's places to go, people to see, things to do ... turn this thing off and GO!" But I still couldn't walk out that door. Something kept distracting me, turning me around, somehow. aaaarrrraggghhhhh Finally, I gave up. Try again later, I thought. Watching my fighting fish dart about, I picked up the fish food and fed him a little. Went into the bedroom to feed the other one, and OH NO -- it was gone! Picked up the vase, turned it around a few times -- no fish! Impossible, I thought -- it couldn't possibly have just up and walked out! Pulled out the lily for a better look, and finally spotted one little fin waving weakly from between the rocks/glass beads/shells on the bottom of the vase. The poor thing must have wriggled between the rocks overnight and trapped itself somehow! So I very gingerly removed the rocks etc until he swam free. Seemed unhurt, but very lethargic. Sprinkled a little food on the water and watched him gradually 'come to'. And within a couple minutes he was back to his usual energetic self ... and I was on my way out the back door again to get in that car. ANd finally managed to leave as planned ... ahhhh ... success at last! And all the way to town -- in fact, ever since that morning -- I've been pondering that mysterious 'block' I'd felt every time I tried to leave. It was like my feet kept turning around even though my brain was saying go GO! And it wouldn't let me be until I'd discovered the tragedy about to unfold in that fishbowl. Betas don't get their oxygen as other fish do -- they need to come to the surface of the water to breathe the air. I was planning on being gone for several hours -- if he'd been trapped without air that long I'd have come home to one dead fish. Wouldn't have made much of a dinner, either. Barely even a snack ;-) Anyways, the only explanations I've come up with to date re what held me back that morning till I found my dying pet are: 1. I'm psychic. REAL psychic! Tuned in to my fishies on a subliminal, subconscious level. How special of me! ;-) 2. Fighting fish have guardian angels; my fish's angel was gently urging me back, wouldn't let me go until it was safe. Hmmm ... I'll vote for number 2. Pretty fishy, eh? :] ... but if any of you can come up with a better or more scientific explanation, I'm all ears! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Do fighting fish have guardian angels?! From: John MacKenzie Date: 09 Jul 06 - 08:36 AM Are you a Pisces? G ¦¬] |
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Subject: RE: BS: Do fighting fish have guardian angels?! From: *daylia* Date: 09 Jul 06 - 08:44 AM Nope. Aries -- with Taurus Moon and Gemini Rising. My mother and my twins are Pisceans, though! Fishy fishy double fishy .... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Do fighting fish have guardian angels?! From: Bill D Date: 09 Jul 06 - 09:48 AM What kind of Karma does a guardian angel have to collect to be assigned to a FISH? ;>) (when we had fish, I don't think the Angels Union allowed that, judging by the number of times we found dead fish.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Do fighting fish have guardian angels?! From: *daylia* Date: 09 Jul 06 - 09:55 AM Are angels subject to karma, Bill? Maybe ... but somehow I doubt it. In any case, what's wrong with standing on guard for helpless little fishies? Myself, I'd rather be assigned to a fish than, say, a mosquito. Or a sewer rat. Or a cockroach. Or even George Bush! :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Do fighting fish have guardian angels?! From: *daylia* Date: 09 Jul 06 - 10:06 AM PS --- but that's probably because I'm not angelically inclined enough. Yet. Hee hee! ;-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Do fighting fish have guardian angels?! From: GUEST,Anglin' angel Date: 09 Jul 06 - 10:49 AM oh ye of little faith .... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Do fighting fish have guardian angels?! From: Ebbie Date: 09 Jul 06 - 12:27 PM Seriously - even though with little to corroborate my feeling - I suspect that you actually were aware of and responding to distress. The fact that it came from a fish is not really the point. I have heard of people who upon entering a home are aware of plants needing watering. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Do fighting fish have guardian angels?! From: Sorcha Date: 09 Jul 06 - 04:40 PM Look, EVERYTHING has a Gaurdian Angel! Just ask Herself! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Do fighting fish have guardian angels?! From: Helen Date: 09 Jul 06 - 05:29 PM *daylia* I am psychic too, so I am not trying to dismiss your psychic intuition - far from it, but I am adding a thought as well. Over the years I have come to believe that a part of being psychic is also being tuned in to the millions of bits of data being thrown at us every day. It's possible that in your subconscious was a visual impression from glancing at the vase and seeing something amiss but not enough to make you walk over and look more closely. The fact that your intuition wouldn't let you drive off - AND that you listened to it - is where the psychic meets the subconscious. But I still think your psychic intuition - and the fishy guardian angel - was mostly the reason for turning back into the house. Helen |
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Subject: RE: BS: Do fighting fish have guardian angels?! From: Little Hawk Date: 09 Jul 06 - 05:41 PM It's easy to pick up thoughts that are floating around in the ether, so to speak...if you're not too distracted by other thoughts. The fish was sending out a strong distress call, and you felt it on some level. That's what people sometimes call "getting a hunch" that something is wrong. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Do fighting fish have guardian angels?! From: JohnInKansas Date: 09 Jul 06 - 08:44 PM daylia - The answer to all this is quite simple really. The trapped fish was in the bedroom(?). You heard it screaming for help before you were fully awake, but failed to take the appropriate action at the time. By the time you were fully awake, the poor fish was probably unconscious and unable to call you again. Your resistance to leaving was simply your feeling of guilt at realizing, at a low or subconscious level, that you had failed to respond to something that needed your attention. This is similar to the "feeling of dread" people sometimes have after waking from a bad dream. They may be unable to recall the dream, or even that they were dreaming; but the feeling of "badness" may persist and can be quite strong. Obviously you should immediately install a "call button" for that fish, so that in future emergencies the fish can broadcast a distinctive warning that "I'm stuck and I can't get up." (And I'm sure you have rearranged the rocks for all of your fish to eliminate traps of the sort this one encountered(?)) John |
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Subject: RE: BS: Do fighting fish have guardian angels?! From: Sorcha Date: 09 Jul 06 - 10:10 PM OK, fellow believers....go read the thread I'm about to start about Sorcha's Most Recent Strange Experience |
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Subject: RE: BS: Do fighting fish have guardian angels?! From: robomatic Date: 10 Jul 06 - 04:30 AM Is it possible you had the apparently 'empty' fish bowl in your field of vision during the morning and a part of your mind registered that departure from normality, hence as it was working its way from your unconscious to your conscious brain it resulted in that queer 'block' on your actions? Reminds me of the pilot who saved a man's life because as he was flying over the man's cabin in winter he realized there was no smoke coming from the man's chimney. He'd had a heart attack and was lying on the floor. Good story well told daylia. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Do fighting fish have guardian angels?! From: *daylia* Date: 10 Jul 06 - 07:13 AM LOL John! Call button comin' right up (not!) =] Ebbie, LH, Helen -- thanks for mentioning intuition (sounds more acceptable than 'psychic'!), and pointing out that the 'block' could have been a response to a vague but powerfully negative emotional atmosphere / energy (ie distress and desperation). My house is very quiet -- there's no-one here but me, the cat, the fish and the plants. So once I'd finished preparing to do all my errands/banking and leave for the day, it became quiet enough - both inside my head and outside it - for any such 'signals' to get through to my conscious mind. Hmmmm ... sounds plausible! Helen said It's possible that in your subconscious was a visual impression from glancing at the vase and seeing something amiss but not enough to make you walk over and look more closely. LIkewise, robomatic said Is it possible you had the apparently 'empty' fish bowl in your field of vision during the morning and a part of your mind registered that departure from normality, hence as it was working its way from your unconscious to your conscious brain it resulted in that queer 'block' on your actions? Now, that makes a lot of sense! Rings a bell, too --- as a matter of fact, when I first noticed the fish was 'gone' I strained my brain for a minute trying to remember if I'd seen it when I got up. On sunny mornings, the light coming through the window turns that fish into this shining little flash of bright rainbow colours weaving through the water -- I love lying there and watching it when I have time in the morning. And I didn't remember seeing it on that bright sunny morning. But I was so busy with my plans and paperwork and stuff that it really didn't register, I guess. And I like the idea of "working it's way from the unconscious to the conscious brain". Well put -- that's exactly how it felt! Now, I LOVE the idea of angels and all they represent, and I've develped a working relationship with the nature spirits over the years as I've practiced certain Native spiritual traditions. I know they are real! But I also know the power of 'subliminal, subconscious influence'. That's how advertisers can 'plant' an irresistable urge to pick their product off the shelves and buy it -- by flashing colorful images of the product at you so fast that you can't recognize them consciously. But the subconscious mind is aware of it, and remembers. Hmmmm .... THanks a lot for the helpful insights and supportive comments, folks! I'm off to check out Sorcha's thread -- oh, but before I do, thanks again, John, for the humour, and for the heads up re the safety hazard those rocks present too. I did not put the ones I removed back in the vase -- I'd gone a bit overboard with the colorful little stones etc in there (I collect rocks and crystals). There were just too many of them, too many enticing little nooks and crannies to get stuck in. Good thinking! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Do fighting fish have guardian angels?! From: Helen Date: 10 Jul 06 - 05:16 PM Re: John's suggestion There is currently an ad on Oz tv for a reverse call service. The ad shows a little dog being inadvertently left behind at the beach, noticing the reverse call billboard ad and getting on the phone to call for help. So the answer is: installing a phone service. Might end up being used for room service requests as well, though. "More fish flakes, please!" I believe that the psychic and the "listening to subtle subconscious messages" are related. Some people are tuned into both (or either) and listen to the little voice and some people aren't. Where the messages originate is another question. I have told this story before on Mudcat but here it is again, because I can't explain how I knew what I knew, but I did. One lunch time, when I worked at the library, I was standing at a street crossing waiting for the lights to change so that I could go over to the supermarket. I was suddenly overcome by an overwhelming sense that something terrible was going to happen. I tried to pinpoint it, tried to work out what the problem was. I looked around to see where it would happen, but I couldn't get a fix on any one place. I looked at all the people I could see, near me and across the road, and along the footpaths, and I couldn't pinpoint any one person or even group of people. I thought maybe a truck was going to come careering down the busy street and crash into the footpath or something, but it seemed that everyone I could see was going to be affected. I tried to work out if I could do anything, warn anyone, but there was nothing I could do because I couldn't get any more information. Or more specifically, I was being told that it wasn't something that anyone could do anything about. Same day, a week later, standing in the same spot at lunchtime, I looked around at everyone and we were all totally shell-shocked. At 10.27am that day we had had a major earthquake, which had caused major damage, but luckily only a couple of fatalities. We don't get major earthquakes here so this one was totally out of the blue. (We were extremely lucky because it was between Christmas and New Year, when school was out, and many activities are wound down and a lot of people take holidays, but also there was a bus strike, so a lot of people stayed home who would normally be out. The club which was the building worst hit by the quake and completely collapsed, and which is normally packed for a bingo session, was hardly full at all.) Why did I know that something major was going to happen a week before? I could have subconsciously been aware of seismic activity, but there was a definite psychic prediction of where I would be and what I and everyone would be feeling at exactly the same time, seven days later. So, I don't know where the messages come from but that one was definitely not just a subconscious awareness of seismic activity. Helen |
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Subject: RE: BS: Do fighting fish have guardian angels?! From: Kaleea Date: 10 Jul 06 - 05:46 PM Daylia, Everyone has intuition. Not everyone "listens" to their intuition. The more you listen to your intuition & act upon it, the stronger it becomes. Some think of it as having to do with religion, others do not. Some people use other terms than the term intuition. Personally, I prefer the terms psychedellic powers, or psychodellic powers. It's more fun talking about it that way, & is usually good for a laugh. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Do fighting fish have guardian angels?! From: Bill D Date: 10 Jul 06 - 06:00 PM "psychedelic" ...............colorful description |
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Subject: RE: BS: Do fighting fish have guardian angels?! From: Amos Date: 11 Jul 06 - 09:57 AM Earthquakes have been predicted by other sensitive animules, Helen -- dogs and cats change their behavior before one. I don't know about a whole week before, though. The theory bandied about is that they are responding to pre-event transmissions from the plates or faults shifting minutely before the actual quake blooms. I have no idea whether such pre-cursor events occur with any reliability or not. So I would prefer to assume that you simply developed an ability to know. Some people like to argue that the ability to know must obey the rules and can only occur post-facto, in response to stimuli, because otherwise, why ANYONE could know ANYTHING, and THEN where would we be. Others, myself included, are inclined to believe that the ability to know is senior to mechanics, to the degree it is allowed tobe, and that in fact anyone CAN know anything. This is really a core issue, because you can't explain the ability to know on a purely bio-mechanical basis, as far as I have seen, no matte rhow many stimulus-response chains you postulate. But in order to explain it otherwise, you have to contemplate a spiritual or at least non-material element in play. Dangerous stuff. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Do fighting fish have guardian angels?! From: Ebbie Date: 11 Jul 06 - 11:16 AM Mount St. Helens in Washington state grumbled and steamed for weeks before she blew. One day my brother and his wife and I went to Castle Rock - the closest town to the mountain - and had lunch. Our window overlooked a small fenced pasture in which there was a horse. This horse was agitated. It would run to the fence, neigh loudly, wheel and gallop away only to repeat it over and over, in a manner very different from the usual calling a horse does. That was one scared critter. Three days later the mountain blew. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Do fighting fish have guardian angels?! From: *daylia* Date: 11 Jul 06 - 05:01 PM Wow Helen, thanks for re-telling that story. First time reading, for me! And I agree with Amos -- the conscious, rational, reasoning human mind encounters limits and obstacles in it's ability to know. And thankfully, the conscious mind is not the only capacity human beings have for "knowing". These 'other capacities' are, to date, not as well understood. Still, for anyone who knows what it's like to know (or have known) that which is commonly considered to be unknowable, these "other capacities" of are indisputable. And fuel for (at least!) a lifetime's worth of investigation too. Even if that entails risk, and/or 'swimming against the current' at times. At least in my case. See, that's where horses have it easier. They don't have to rack their brains examining or justifying or arguing or demonstrating or measuring or explaining just how or why they know what they know. And they certainly don't struggle with if they should know what they know. Or fight about whether the horse in the next stall should or even does in fact know what they know. Or berate or ridicule or condemn or fear or ostracize or otherwise humiliate other horses for knowing what they know. Nope. Horses don't bother with any of that. They just go right ahead and quite blatantly know what they know. Simple. And so enviable too, it seems at times! :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Do fighting fish have guardian angels?! From: Helen Date: 12 Jul 06 - 02:44 AM Well, *daylia*, that must mean that I was a horse in my previous life! :-) Because I've never really worried about whether the horses in the next stall knew it as well, and I hardly ever stop and think about how I know it, because it is a strong knowing which is very often reinforced with data afterwards. Thanks for those thoughts, because they will give me something to ponder on, too. Helen |
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Subject: RE: BS: Do fighting fish have guardian angels?! From: *daylia* Date: 12 Jul 06 - 09:07 AM Well, maybe I'll develop a little more equinimity myself, this time around. I hope so! I've experienced amazingly vivid, accurate precognitive dreams all my life. As a little kid I used to tell my dreams to my family all the time. Till one day my mother took me aside and told me, quite angry and upset, that I must keep my dreams to myself from now on because I was scaring her, and upsetting my siblings. I was about 6, and from that day on I felt myself to be 'weird' and 'unacceptable'. And I became quite the expert at ignoring and/or hiding what I "knew" from my dreams, so much that after a while I stopped remembering them altogether, till I was in my teens. But not all families react to these 'other ways of knowing' with fear and/or condemnation. Some people are quite comfortable with their 'unexplained' abilities, and practice using and developing them instead of ignoring and hiding them. You sound like one of these, Helen! And your premonition of that earthquake reminds me so much of an incident a few summers ago that I'll go right ahead and post not just one but TWO of my 'nonsensical, silly' stories here. I was on a road trip across the country, from Barrie Ontario to Vancouver BC that summer. My 'driving buddy' and I had decided to try and drive the whole distance (several thousand km) without stopping overnight -- one would sleep while the other drove. (Didn't make for a great time, but we DID make very good time!) The second night on the road I took us all the way from somewhere in western Manitoba right through to the Alberta/Saskatchewan border. By the time I pulled over, right under the "Welcome to Alberta!" sign, dawn was breaking and I was just about crosseyed with fatigue. Switched drivers, and I settled into my pillows on the passenger seat. Tried to sleep, but I was so overtired I found it hard to drop off in the car that morning. Even on those long, straight, smooth, and oh-so-booooooring stretches of the TransCanada on the prairies ... Watching the HUGE blue prairie sky roll by my window, eyes half open, mind half dazed, I kept seeing this big black ominous-looking 'pillar' in the distance, rising from the western horizon into the sky. I'd look and it would be there ... blink my eyes, look again and it was gone. IT was there, it was gone, there, gone, over and over till I finally pointed it out to my buddy. And he couldn't see a thing where I was pointing. I'd be looking straight at it, pointing straight to it, even turning his head in the precisely correct direction -- and he still insisted there was nothing there but white clouds and blue sky. Even pulled over, got out of the car to look at one point, thinking maybe it was just dirt on my window or something-- still, I could see it clearly, and he couldn't see it at all. Forget it, he said, it's nothing, you're just tired, go to sleep. AT that point, knowing there was nothing wrong with either his eyesight or my own, I figured I must be hallucinating (although that's never happened to me before!). Settled back into my pillows and made a more concentrated effort to fall asleep. I was kinda drifting in and out, eyes half open, and still watching that black pillar materialize and dematerialize in the distance till I finally konked right out. Well a few hours later he woke me up, just outside Calgary. Take a look at THAT, he said. And my jaw fell open, eyes about bugged right out of my head when I saw the HUGE THICK BLACK PILLAR OF SMOKE hanging ominously over the southwest end of the city, stretching from the horizon into the sky. 8-O Apparently, 2 very serious fires had broken out earlier that morning in the chemical plants on the outskirts of Calgary. And as we crawled through the snarled traffic on the TransCanada downtown, I was racking my brain trying to figure out how I could have possibly known, how I'd "seen" that pillar from several hundred km away, starting from a couple hours before the fires even broke out. How could I possibly have 'known' about those fires?!? Oh, that's called clairvoyance, he said. So offhanded, so nonchalant that I was amazed! Like it was nothing unusual at all. Siad it had happened to him, to his sister and to his mom before, a few times. And then he went on and on and ON talking about clairvoyance, and clairsentience, and clairaudience, and clairwhateverence till he'd put me right back to sleep. Now, if we'd only recognized that "clairvoyance" for what it was when I'd first seen it at dawn, we could have saved an hour or two of wasting gas sitting in traffic jams by taking the (one and only) bypass around Calgary instead! Anyway, again, thanks for listening and for all these helpful insights and comments, folks! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Do fighting fish have guardian angels?! From: Helen Date: 13 Jul 06 - 05:26 PM Hi *daylia*, This is just a quick response to your amazing experience because I am on my way to work, so I'll explain more later. A woman I used to know who had clairvoyant abilities to some degree said once that quite often she saw things like that through the edge of her vision rather than when looking at them straight on, and she believed that it was something to do with the way the rod and cone cells are lined up in our eyes. Looking straight at something uses the cells differently than being aware of them from the edge of our vision and she believed that the cells used for the edge of vision were also somehow more able to pick up the clairvoyant images. I thought of this because you said the column of smoke was appearing and disappearing, and I wondered whether it was visible to you when you saw it from the edge/side of your vision and disappeared when you tried to look straight at it. (I'll put this here to remind me to tell about the rays of light I have seen but not seen, not far from my home.) Helen |
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Subject: RE: BS: Do fighting fish have guardian angels?! From: *daylia* Date: 14 Jul 06 - 08:58 AM Interesting about how the rods and cones function differently in peripheral vs direct vision ... thanks for that Helen. And I do know what your friend meant by 'out of the corner of the eye' -- I've noticed that a few times myself. But as I recall I was seeing that pillar fairly 'straight on', even while pointing straight to it though .... hmmmm .... I thought at the time it had something to do with being very overtired. Maybe most of my conscious mind WAS indeed 'konked right out' while I was in that hazy, bleary-eyed state. I'd never driven all night before -- there's been very few times in my life when I've been that exhausted. ANd I know I have vivid, precognitive dreams sometimes ... so maybe part of my mind WAS already dreaming even though my eyes were still half-open. And the image of what was about to happen, what lay directly ahead on our road of travel, did get through to my conscious mind. Anyways, I'm really looking forward to hearing about those 'rays of light', Helen. Sounds so more uplifting than a big black pillar! :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Do fighting fish have guardian angels?! From: *daylia* Date: 14 Jul 06 - 09:19 AM PS can't resist posting this here, on my favorite music forum ... ...When I was a child, I caught a fleeting glimpse Out of the corner of my eye I turned to look, but it was gone I cannot put my finger on it now The child is grown, the dream is gone... (Pink Floyd, The Wall) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Do fighting fish have guardian angels?! From: Ferrara Date: 14 Jul 06 - 01:24 PM When my sister and I were in college, some friends of my parents (Rose and Johnny) lived in Takoma Park, MD, across the street from "Toad Hall," a house rented by a bunch of college guys who were friends of Jan's. One night Rose and John were getting ready to go out to dinner. She looked out the window and said, "Johnny! Toad Hall is on fire!" When she looked again the "fire" had disappeared and Toad Hall looked normal. Later, while she and Johnny were out, Toad Hall did burn and one boy was killed in the fire. Rose was accustomed to having "psychic" experiences but this one left her very shaken. Others were a lot more light hearted, such as the story she told about dreaming a certain long shot would win at the track. (She and Johnny were frequent racegoers.) She handed him $100 and asked him to put it on her horse when he placed his own bets. Johnny thought it was stupid to bet on such a long shot so he placed her $100 on his own horse and cost her a couple thousand dollars when her horse won. Rose -- who was a grandmother, an extraordinary person, and a Grande Dame in her way -- was furious; she felt he should have known her well enough to trust her hunches! That evening she made him a nice cup of hot chocolate using Ex-Lax for flavoring. Well I don't mean to introduce thread creep, but daylia, your experience with the pillar of black smoke reminded me of the way Rose's vision of Toad Hall came and then disappeared. My own family -- my father, mother, and most of my mom's family -- were accustomed to having occasional clairvoyant or precognitive experiences and to some extent took it for granted, and generally paid attention to them. Rita F |
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Subject: RE: BS: Do fighting fish have guardian angels?! From: Helen Date: 14 Jul 06 - 08:12 PM Hi again Ferrara, (Just finished replying to your posting in Sorcha's thread on strange experiences!) My hubby and I went out to the Trots (harness racing) and, although we don't bet on horses, we were having fun choosing the possible winners by looking at the horses as they were walked past the grandstand. Just before the last race we saw we won a raffle prize, a voucher to bet $20 on a race that night. Hubby had already had a hunch at the beginning of the night for Race x, horse y so he had placed that bet as we arrived, but as I saw the horses I told him the three I thought would win - one was "horse y" and this happened to be race x. I said to do a trifecta but he didn't, but the horses I had picked were the same ones he had chosen as well. He didn't bet the trifecta, but he should have because they won, but we won enough to convert the $20 voucher into $35 cash. It was fun! *daylia*, I'll be back soon to tell you about the rays of light. Helen |
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Subject: RE: BS: Do fighting fish have guardian angels?! From: LadyJean Date: 15 Jul 06 - 12:14 AM I have a friend who claimed to have a psychic link with her cat. Once the cat got herself shut in an empty store, and Karen woke up in the middle of the night, realizing where she was. Another time she had a sense that the cat was about to do something they'd both regret, went out and dragged her away from a skunk's burrow. My mother always said her grandmother was "fey". She was a little embarassed about it. (She had an odd relationship with that grandmother. She complained about the lady's bad temper, and called her "shanty Irish". But she named my sister for her.) Mother sometimes knew things. We both had a sense that catastrophe was on its way for a couple of months before she was diagnosed with lung cancer. My foresight tends to be a bit prosaic. I dreamed my car was stopped on a hillside. The next day, there I was on that hillside, stopped, reading a map. (As far as I know I'd never been there before.) I got a sense that I shouldn't walk down a street. I did anyway, since it looked safe. It was except for two kids tossing a football back and forth. They didn't mean to hit me, but I had a headache for 3 days. The best I've ever done was in 2001, when I got the sense that things would be different after the Ligonier Highland Games. The Games, that year, were on September 8 and you know the rest. But I didn't know what was coming. I wish to heaven I had, I could have done something. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Do fighting fish have guardian angels?! From: Helen Date: 15 Jul 06 - 02:41 AM Okay, here is the info about the rays of light. I can't explain it, and I don't know anyone else who has seen it, but I started seeing it when I used to work in a suburb which is across the harbour from the city centre of Newcastle, NSW, Oz. To get over there I used to drive across an area, maybe a few kilometres square, which used to be islands but which was reclaimed by filling in the channels and making it into what is known as Kooragang Island, but which is not an island now. While you are driving on KI the land around is very flat most of the way and you can see across the river to the suburbs of Newcastle and there is a really good view of the sky, which was always pretty spectacular at sunset. (I was reminded of the sunsets a couple of days ago when I saw a similar one, which I used to think of as an orange juice sky. It looks like you are looking through a glass of orange juice with a light behind it.) Anyway, I don't know what it was, but very often I would sense out of the edges of my vision, and not just at sunset, these huge rays of light beaming down on Kooragang Island. I could never get a proper fix on them, because if I tried to look at them I lost the sight of them, but as I was driving I would be focused on these rays of light. I always felt this spooky feeling when I saw them too. I had forgotten about them but one day I was driving back from where my Dad lives and at one part on the main road you can see way over to KI, and I saw the rays of light again, so I could see them from a distance and only over that part of the world. I have never seen them anywhere else. LadyJean, Sometimes I wonder why we get told things beforehand if we can't do anything about it. I think that sometimes it can be just a forewarning that things will change in some way, so just to be prepared for the change, but not necessarily to try to alter what will happen, but other times it is an alarm to do something different, quick, or something terrible will happen. Like the night I was in the centre lane on a dark night, and suddenly realised I "had to" move into the outer lane quickly. There was no logic to it, but next thing a car came swerving around the bend in the wrong lane, i.e. the one I had just been driving in. It would have come out of nowhere and it would definitely have been a head-on collision, or very close to that. It wasn't my time, then, obviously. Helen |
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Subject: RE: BS: Do fighting fish have guardian angels?! From: *daylia* Date: 15 Jul 06 - 07:51 AM Rita, LadyJean, Helen thanks so much for your stories! I love readin' em, and they give me so much to ponder! Good question about why we "get told things" when it seems there's not much, if anything, we can do about it anyway. Maybe there's not much purpose to it at all, except to demonstrate these less well understood of our amazing human faculties, so that we grow in self-awareness. I think these "psychic experiences" are a natural function of normal human consciousness that some of us are more readily aware of, more accepting of, than others. When I'm driving down the road I see many many things - trees, cows, birds, lakes, clouds, lane markers, road signs, my speedometer, other cars etc etc etc. All that visual input is just a function of my normal human eyesight -- but to drive safely I must focus mostly on the ones most vital under the circumstances; the signs, lane-markers, other cars etc. All the rest is by the way, from a survival point of view. So what's the point of having all that visual input when I can (and should) respond to only a tiny percentage of what I see? Well, that's just the way my eyes function. Do I really need to come up with more "purpose" than that? Well, maybe, if I enjoy mental gymnastics and driving myself nuts ;-) Once we have the 'knowing' or 'get the message' so to speak, then it's up to us to recognize it and figure out how we might respond. Or not. And often it seems there is no response possible. A case in point -- none of my 3 sons have shown much interest, or aptitude (for lack of a better word) for this type of phenomena, as yet. Certainly, none would profess any kind of "psychic ability" -- far from it! Last year, at 22, my youngest son Eric caught the typically Canadian "go West young man!" fever, and made a solitary trek across the continent to work in the mountains for a few months. A couple nights before he left, we went out for dinner with my dad and my oldest son Jon. Jon had been feeling "iffy" about his brother leaving alone to go so far away (well, believe me I was too although we kept up a bravely confident supportive front!) And over dinner, he told us about an upsetting, vivid dream he'd had the night before. Very unusual, for Jon. Said he'd dreamed we were all sitting outside this big beautifully landscaped building in a gorgeous wooded place he didn't recognize. I'd pointed my finger down the road and told him to go look over there, right now. So he went walking down the road, turned a corner -- and there was his brother Eric, lying in the middle of the road as if dead. Or badly injured .... NOT a good omen -- we were all rendered speechless around the table for a minute. Then I said "Hve you been really worried about your brother leaving, hon?" and we all kinda put the dream down to his concerns, and put it out of mind. Well, Eric did go out west and found a great job in Banff. Hadn't been there 3 weeks when he called with some very upsetting news. He was in the hospital -- he'd slipped and fallen down 2 long flights of icy metal stairs on the walkway home from work, had a concussion and broken his finger. This happened after midnight -- apparently he'd been lying on the road unconscious for awhile till someone finally walked by, found him and called the ambulance. :-( That's EXACTLY what Jon had seen in his dream a few weeks before -- Eric lying in the middle of the road as if dead. 8-O An unprecedented experience, for both of them! But even if we'd recognized it as precognitive at hte time, what was Eric to do? Cancel all his plans and stay home because his big bro had a "bad dream"? I think not! There was nothing to do except what was done -- we all learned something about dreams, and Jon learned something important about himself from that experience. Even though, for him, the dream is still in the realm of coincidence. And because it was a first-time experience for him, I'd say that's a most logical conclusion. Thanks again for sharing your stories and insights here, everyone. I love readin' em -- keep 'em coming |
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Subject: RE: BS: Do fighting fish have guardian angels?! From: Wolfgang Date: 24 Jul 06 - 09:29 AM Robomatic's idea makes a lot of sense. There are different neural pathways to brain centers triggering (automatic) action and to centers triggering conscious perception. Experiments with brain damaged persons having 'blindsight' also point to such explanations. Since there is no conscious perception of what has triggered (or hindered) an action people experiencing such an event often use expressions like "feeling" "hunch", "sixth sense" to describe their perfectly normal though perhaps not common experience. Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: BS: Do fighting fish have guardian angels?! From: *daylia* Date: 25 Jul 06 - 08:58 AM Yes, the mysterious workings of the brain may account for certain unusual "intuitive" experiences. But what type of brain mechanisms could account for precognitive dreams? Interesting article here ... There are scores of parapsychology journals and thousands of books at the Library of Congress. However, we almost never see any mention of all these immense labors in Science, Nature, or even the more adventuresome New Scientist. Why? Mainly because logical positivism, which rules the thinking of mainstream scientists, insists that the only acceptable observations are those that can be experienced by all persons. And we don't all have precognitive dreams, or, if we do, we don't recognize them as such! In addition, anecdotal data, dreams, channeled information, and the like are always viewed with suspicion. Since few of us have precognitive dreams, the rules of science would have to be changed if they are to be embraced by science. Well, I won't be holding my breath on that one! I have my doubts about the assertion "Since few of us have precognitive dreams ...". I suspect everyone has precognitive dreams, but only a few remember them upon wakening. People can train their minds to remember dreams quite easily, if they want to -- but not everyone is aware of this, and even when they are aware of it not everyone wants to. Scientists are still at a loss when it comes to understanding/explaining dreaming at all, let alone precognitive dreaming! Dreams are a universal human experience, but dreaming is still very much unknown territory. And unknown territory can prove so very dangerous to a person's comfortable, well-established belief systems, only a few of us will risk 'going there' at all. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Do fighting fish have guardian angels?! From: *daylia* Date: 25 Jul 06 - 11:07 AM Can't resist posting another yet story to illustrate what I said about dreams above ... It was the morning of Sept 11, 2001. The world was reeling at the horrendous events unfolding in the US; my phone was busy all morning with calls from friends and family members re the tragic news. Including a call from one of my sisters. One of my very grounded, most logically-minded and decidedly 'un-psychically-inclined' sisters. Told me she'd had a godawful dream the night before -- something about watching a bald eagle being attacked by big angry dogs. The eagle got away and had taken flight, circling high above the continent and plummetted back to the ground, attacking the dogs. Then the air was full of blood, raining blood, the ground just flowing with rivers of blood ... and she woke up. Precognitive? Or coincidence? As my sister is not one to remember her dreams, least of all to report them! -- and has never been interested/obsessed with international politics or American foreign policy -- I'd say it was precognitive. And so vivid and emotionally-laden that she couldn't help but remember it. When dreams are so vivid they wake you up, you're sure to remember them! I just called her now, to get the details of that dream again before I posted here. Guess what? She remembers that day, but she doesn't remember the dream at all. Says she didn't write it down at the time, and so she can't remember the details. She says I remember more of the details than she does! And that figures -- unlike my sister I've always paid attention to dreams - my own and other people's. I think they're important and fascinating, and I've worked on techniques to remember them better. Maybe that's the only difference between people who have precognitive dreams, and people who say they don't. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Do fighting fish have guardian angels?! From: Ferrara Date: 25 Jul 06 - 07:52 PM Wolfgang: Since there is no conscious perception of what has triggered (or hindered) an action people experiencing such an event often use expressions like "feeling" "hunch", "sixth sense" to describe their perfectly normal though perhaps not common experience. Sure. Sometimes. |
