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Subject: BS: Benefit Fraud From: GUEST,Alice McC Date: 05 Jul 06 - 05:17 AM Social security fraud costs the UK taxpayer up to £4 billion a year. I can only speak about Central Scotland, our Public Accounts Committee report describes the level of fraud as "unacceptably high". It also supports government efforts to weed out fraudulent housing benefit claims. I pay four hundred a month to the bank for my home and a young lady of 23 living alone next to me has her house free because she is single and has three children. Sorry if I appear bitter, but it doesn't seem right. At a benefit agency office in Glasgow, officers are being trained as undercover investigators to catch out those engaged in benefit fraud all now issued with video cameras and given a list to follow each day. Their powers have been recently strengthened and they aim to save the taxpayers millions of pounds. The government says surveillance of suspected fraudsters is already successfully combating fraud in the UK, not up here, it's a standing joke. There are so many living the good life here you wouldn't believe it Disability Living Allowance, sickness benefit and other allowances. What's in like in your area ? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Benefit Fraud From: Paul Burke Date: 05 Jul 06 - 05:29 AM What, another GUEST found someone to hate? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Benefit Fraud From: Zany Mouse Date: 05 Jul 06 - 05:36 AM A weird subject for a music-based American forum. Tell me, Alice, how did you 'stumble' across us? Rhiannon |
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Subject: RE: BS: Benefit Fraud From: GUEST Date: 05 Jul 06 - 05:46 AM In the UK more benefit goes unclaimed than is claimed fraudulently. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Benefit Fraud From: GUEST,Chris B (Born Again Scouser) Date: 05 Jul 06 - 05:54 AM Write to the 'Daily Mail'. You'll be a lot less out of step there. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Benefit Fraud From: GUEST,Alice McC Date: 05 Jul 06 - 05:56 AM Sorry, my husband was looking up Harry Chapin here. Said non music subjects. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Benefit Fraud From: John J Date: 05 Jul 06 - 06:51 AM Alice, you're absolutely correct: this section is for non-music threads. I'm a bit concerned that the latest idea to get disabled (and on disability living allowance) back into work will pressurise those genuinely unable to work. Don't get me wrong, apart from the obvious financial benefits to the claimant and the governement I think work is fanatastic therapy. As for those who claim fraudulently, I don't defend them at all. They cheat the system. Perhaps the levels of benefit should be examined. Other things to consider: a) Tax fraud by individuals b) Tax fraud by companies c) Very bad financial control in goverment departments d) Goverment departments wasting money (a particular gripe of mine). The list, I'm sure, can go on and on. I shall now withdraw to a safe distance with tin hat firmly placed on head. John |
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Subject: RE: BS: Benefit Fraud From: jacqui.c Date: 05 Jul 06 - 08:28 AM When I was 22 I divorced my husband for adultery and was left with children of 4 and 1 to raise alone. My husband did not earn enough to support my family and his next one and made no attempt to pay maintenance at all. I spent a total of five years drawing benefit as I had no training for work, no-one to take the children while I worked and no other income. During that time I went back to college, first part time to fit in with the children's school hours, and then full time to get a teaching qualification. Before complaining about people getting state assistance please ensure that you know the full circumstances and think that there but for the grace of god..... Yes, there are benefit frauds but, as John J says, taxpayers money is being wasted in much bigger ways. It's just that we can see all these 'layabouts' taking 'our money' and they are easy targets. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Benefit Fraud From: Ebbie Date: 05 Jul 06 - 11:23 AM "There are so many living the good life here you wouldn't believe it Disability Living Allowance, sickness benefit and other allowances." Yep, those people living with disabilities and health issues and as a single parent raising three children alone sure have the "good life". In the USA also there is fraudulent use of social services- but that is a small price to pay compared with those who need those benefits and have it be there for them. Sometimes just looking at a person from the outside you don't have a clue as to the situation. Just hope you will never have to be living inside such a person. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Benefit Fraud From: Bee-dubya-ell Date: 05 Jul 06 - 12:04 PM Gee, and here I thought this thread would be about someone promoting a "benefit" concert and pocketing the money... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Benefit Fraud From: dianavan Date: 05 Jul 06 - 03:28 PM I agree with your list, John J. There is far more tax money wasted on an inept bureaucracy and big business. Don't forget to include government subsidies and kick-backs when you're looking for ways to save tax dollars. jacqui c. - My story is similar to yours. Without the temporary social assistance I received and the student loans, I'm quite sure our poverty would have become generational. Instead I was able to dig myself out of a very deep hole. Alice McC is a bitter old bag who thinks she should be entitled to as much as a woman with three children. The 'extra' four hundred a month is not much extra when you consider the cost of raising children. They probably eat more than that, never mind shoes and clothing! But lets face it Alice, what really gripes you is that she is a single mom. You probably think she got pregnant so she could collect more money. Such a deal! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Benefit Fraud From: greg stephens Date: 05 Jul 06 - 03:36 PM Alice: you are quite right, we do have a section for non-music topics. But you'd be more welcome to start this sort of thread after you've participated in a few music topics first. And I would just add that I have plenty to worry about in life, but a handful of people screwing a few bob out of the system by benefit fraud is not high on my list. Dont the Daily Mail, Express or Telegraph have their own sites where you can talk about this sort of thing all day? And asylum seekers as well, while you are at it. Sorry, duck, this site is too full of commies, liberals and pinkos.Or should that be pinkoes? We have a lot of spelling and punctuation pedants as well. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Benefit Fraud From: GUEST Date: 05 Jul 06 - 03:38 PM I believe Ken Lay and Jeffrey Skilling have benefitted more mightily from fraud than anyone on the planet. They did this with the cooperation of local, state, and national government support here in the US. And you are concerned with social security fraud that is an fire ant in comparison to the corporate fraud Godzilla? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Benefit Fraud From: Emma B Date: 05 Jul 06 - 04:26 PM Alice - you do sound bitter! You don't accuse your neighbour of having her accomodation provided fraudently and, believe me, it would cost far more to accomodate 3 chidren in Care - to say nothing of the emotional damgage they may suffer - but that's not your beef is it? I hope for you sake Alice that you remain fortunate enough not to suffer from any severe illness or disability. Several of my friends have not been so fortunate and, after paying National Insurance contributions for many years, are on the "scrap heap" of life, forced to exist on an allowance that is not consistent with "the good life" I am angry that they also have to suffer isults from sadly misinformed, ignorant people like you! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Benefit Fraud From: Big Phil Date: 05 Jul 06 - 06:33 PM The Dome in London, £750,000,000 wasted, that would pay my Disability Living Allowance of £70 a week for a few years.????????? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Benefit Fraud From: GUEST Date: 05 Jul 06 - 06:42 PM It's the same everywhere Alice. Single mums get free child care, I pay 70.00 a week for one ! They get their rates paid, house paid and seem to have enough to go lifting their tails on Friday and Saturday night. Then if they do work for a few months to get them off their case, it's all tax credits and nothing more than 16 hours a week. Makes me sick. Doubt Scotland can match Bolton, believe me. Singles mums are the same in my eyes as someone who works and claims. They turn my stomach. Sooner we get the Tory party into power the better. Do what the rest of do Alice, look upon them as street beggars, because that's all they are. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Benefit Fraud From: GUEST,Frug Date: 05 Jul 06 - 07:11 PM Good Grief Guest 6.42 pm...............!!!!!!!!!! So do you include single moms whose men have walked out on them, and those whose men have tragically died ......so how many intentionally single moms are there ? It pisses me off when ill-informed bigots jump on their soap box. There is still gross poverty in this country despite the benefit system. Your comments are at best naive and at worst deliberately provocative. The proportion of benefit fraud is relatively trivial when placed alongside midle and upper class fraud........By the way whats your take on Tax avoidance by the fat cat Tories? or the gross payouts, salaries and golden handshakes to the bosses who have failed. Now that is true obscenity |
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Subject: RE: BS: Benefit Fraud From: kendall Date: 06 Jul 06 - 05:25 PM I was raised on welfare along with three brothers and a sister. Thanks to those benefits I was able to stay in school, finish high school and two years of college. I can't tell you how much I cost the state, but I can damn well guarantee that I have paid a lot more in income taxes than they shelled out for me! Sure there are welfare cheats and they should be weeded out, but consider the cost of ONE ICBM and the billions we are spending on an illegal, unnecessary war and you will get some perspective. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Benefit Fraud From: Divis Sweeney Date: 06 Jul 06 - 06:20 PM Right always look at the "what if's here" Say we run the tar brush over everyone in need of state help and cut them off from everything. Would you prefer Alice mothers begging in the streets ? kids sleeping in shop doorways ? Someone with a medical condition unable to work thrown from their home unable to pay their way. You would probably be the first to hit out at this uncaring government I retired last year due to a back problem and got my pension aged 45. I did not want to leave my work, but fought it until they said I had to go. So if I had not had a ill health pension in place I would be one of those seeking help. What's the difference between me and some lovely young girl who was abused and cheated on by her husband and left on her own with a couple of young children ? there is no difference. We would both be in need of help. Alice the one thing to focus on here is, fifty years ago women had no choice only to stay with some bastard who used her as a punchbag and kicked the crap out of very young children. Surely if you knew the lady you speak off suffered that would you expect her to stay with him ? Yes people tell lies to screw the system, I saw enough while working in the field. Medical evidence is required more nowadays and kids without a mum or dad do exist. I don't come across on this site as an admirer of the British government, but they do have a good system in place to help those in need. I do admire them for that. I don't claim benefits myself, probably could but happy with my pension. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Benefit Fraud From: hesperis Date: 07 Jul 06 - 02:59 AM When the system is set up so that it's impossible to continue to exist without performing fraud, that's a problem. Nobody gets a free ride though, bums are paid by the government just enough to *be* lazy - so that the working poor have someone to look down on and thank god they're not like THOSE people. You try being anything other than "lazy" on $20 a month for food, especially if you have an illness that prevents you from working a regular job. In previous societies, people either starved or received support from their community. Now communities don't help people in need, so the government has to. It does a piss-poor job at it because the "taxpayers" would rather see people starve than see them helped - for nothing but jealousy that those people are getting helped... even though the reason those people are getting helped is from the breakdown of traditional support systems that better helped the people who are jealous! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Benefit Fraud From: dianavan Date: 07 Jul 06 - 01:47 PM Alice and GUEST - What's the alternative? You either pay now or pay later. Like Kendall said, he became a working member of society thanks to the support his mother and her family received. Without that help, most mothers would resort to any means necessary to provide for the family. Would you rather see single moms and their children homeless? Would you rather see them turn to crime? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Benefit Fraud From: GUEST Date: 07 Jul 06 - 07:45 PM hesperis your generalisations about 'taxpayers' are quite offensive. Where would you be without them? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Benefit Fraud From: Liz the Squeak Date: 08 Jul 06 - 03:47 AM More fraudulent claims are made by people who don't need the benefit, than by people who do - and that goes for taxes too. I work in a Tax office. LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Benefit Fraud From: dianavan Date: 08 Jul 06 - 12:56 PM Liz - "More fraudulent claims are made by people who don't need the benefit, than by people who do." I think thats a fraudulent statement. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Benefit Fraud From: Ebbie Date: 08 Jul 06 - 01:05 PM I don't see why one should doubt that. A person who needs the benefit will cite and document their needs. The person who doesn't need the benefit but wants it will obviously make fraudulent claims as to why s/he needs it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Benefit Fraud From: GUEST Date: 08 Jul 06 - 01:44 PM System is being screwed there is no doubt about that. In an English bar in Turkey last year the stand up comic on stage shouted " All of you who came here thanks to a benefit cheque raise your glasses ". A big cheer went up and everyone started laughing. I said to the English barman what was that about ? He said British benefits are a bit of a joke mate,a lot of people tell us they pay for holidays they otherwise couldn't get. Sicking. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Benefit Fraud From: GUEST Date: 08 Jul 06 - 03:25 PM Anyone in the UK who has seen the latest TV adverts regarding the benefit fraud department? The sinister ones with the bullseye and the slogan along the lines that you are being watched? Well, don't be taken in. Under the Human Rights Act the fraud department are no longer allowed to knock unannounced on a claimants door. If Mrs Green is claiming for herself and seven kids because Mr Green has done 'a runner', when in fact he is sitting at the kitchen table eating his roast after a hard day cash in hand on the building site. They have nothing to fear. If they upset a neighbour to the point of being 'grassed up', they would recieve a nice polite letter telling them that they were to be visited by the benefits agency. Plenty of time to put the male clothing in the understairs cupboard and take the wedding photos off the wall. The theory behind the campaign is that it is cost effective because it may lead fraudulent claimants into believing the department have more powers than they actually do. The only people who have made money from that campaign are the ad agency behind it. And a nice little earner it was too. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Benefit Fraud From: dianavan Date: 08 Jul 06 - 04:40 PM Ebbie - I don't doubt that there are people who do make fraudulent claims, what I doubt is that they are the majority. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Benefit Fraud From: Liz the Squeak Date: 08 Jul 06 - 04:41 PM dianavan - I work for the people who investigate benefit and tax fraud. I know. LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Benefit Fraud From: dianavan Date: 08 Jul 06 - 05:16 PM Liz - Who are these people you work for? Is it a branch of the government that covers both welfare and income tax? I am surprised! I am also surprised to hear that more people are fraudulent than not. Are you saying that as a fact or a suspicion? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Benefit Fraud From: Liz the Squeak Date: 08 Jul 06 - 05:19 PM I work for a tax office. We work closely with the Benefits office to make sure that everyone gets what they are due, pays what they owe and are not taking other taxpayers for a ride. There may be separate departments for personal and business tax, customs and excise or benefits agency, but we all talk to each other. LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Benefit Fraud From: dianavan Date: 08 Jul 06 - 05:25 PM O.K. - so can you please answer my query: I am also surprised to hear that more people are fraudulent than not. Are you saying that as a fact or a suspicion? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Benefit Fraud From: Don Firth Date: 08 Jul 06 - 05:53 PM [Rant on] What is it like in my area? Well. . . . I know a woman with two children and no skills (she got married right out of high school, and no, she wasn't pregnant at the time) whose husband deserted her. He just packed up and vanished into the night, and she had no idea where he went. To survive, she had to go on welfare. She received a monthly check that barely paid the rent and bought food, and left no wiggle-room at all (she was not exactly leading the posh life!). She figured that if she could go to a technical or business school to pick up a skill or two, she could get a job, but they told her there were no funds for that sort of thing. So being an enterprising young woman, she tried to earn tuition money by cleaning houses and doing garden work. When the welfare folks found out how much (actually, how little) she was making and trying to stash away for tuition, they cut her welfare check by that amount. So much for ambition and enterprise. What happened to her? Well, she met a really nice guy and they got married. Fortunately, it all worked out well (later on, he even put her kids through college), but short of winning the lottery, that was the only way out of the situation she was in. The whole welfare system was geared to keeping her locked in, no matter how hard she tried to earn her own way. Methinks that people who get all bent out of shape over someone "working the system" for a couple thousand dollars of tax money they may or may not actually need and shrug their shoulders at Enron and blithely think nothing of outfits like Halliburton continually screwing the taxpayers right, left, and center to the tune of multiple billions of dollars worth of no-bid government contracts really have their moral-outrage synapses installed bass-ackwards. And the government continues to cut social programs while giving more and more tax breaks to the wealthiest five percent. That's how things are out my way. [Rant off] Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Benefit Fraud From: GUEST Date: 08 Jul 06 - 06:50 PM Liz said more fraudulent claims are made by people who don't need the tax/benefit, than by people who do need it. I can not understand how any fraudulent claim is made by someone who does need it? If it is fraudulent then they are not delaring an income of themselves or their partner. If that income takes them over the threshold to claim, then how can they need it? Surely every fraudulent claim is made by someone who doesn't need it...because if their income was low enough for them to need it then it wouldn't be fraudulent. Did you mean that most tax fraud is made by the higher earners? I would agree with that statement. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Benefit Fraud From: dianavan Date: 08 Jul 06 - 07:51 PM Yes, Don, thats the way the welfare system works. If you take any initiative at all, you are penalized. Work? Report it and its deducted from you welfare check. School? Forget it. If you dare to apply for a student loan to pay tuition and books, the welfare check for your kids will stop. When I graduated from University, I owed more money to the government than I would have received, for free, if I had just sat back and lived off the dole. Where's the incentive? There is none! If you want to get out of the hole, you either tell a few lies or work under the table. If you care about your kids, you'll do both. If they really want to see a reduction in welfare recepients, then pay for training and education. You'll never see them again and its a good bet you won't see their children either. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Benefit Fraud From: GUEST,Alice McC Date: 08 Jul 06 - 08:04 PM So glad my husband found information on Harry Chapin on another site, why do you list non music topics and invite guests here ? Goodbye Alice McCormack |
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Subject: RE: BS: Benefit Fraud From: GUEST Date: 08 Jul 06 - 08:32 PM Where's the incentive? There is none! If you want to get out of the hole, you either tell a few lies or work under the table So you whine that the system isn't good enough and also advocate not contributing towards it? It is people not putting into the pot that makes the meal meagre. Your student loan system also seems pretty strange. In the UK student loans are not repayable until after the student graduates and obviously finds employment. Why would taking out a loan stop the kids welfare check? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Benefit Fraud From: dianavan Date: 09 Jul 06 - 12:36 AM Guest - I never advocated not contributing towards the system. Stop putting words in my mouth. The reason people work under the table is so that it is not deducted from their assistance, not to avoid taxes. When you receive a loan, its considered income. You cannot receive a student loan and receive social assistance at the same time. Thats how it it in Canada. Doesn't matter that its a loan and you have to pay it back with interest. Its still considered income in the eyes of the bureacrats. All of this hassle for a meagre pittance that is not enough to live on. Is it any wonder that people lie, work under the table and/or turn to crime? Any parent who cares about the health and well-being of their children will do whatever it takes to provide for them. What else can they do? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Benefit Fraud From: Bert Date: 09 Jul 06 - 02:59 AM Hmmm, how come no one has mentioned those folks who are in dire need and get turned down for benefits on some technicality. You'll find 'em sleeping under any bridge if the cops haven't moved them on. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Benefit Fraud From: GUEST,Current Investigator Date: 09 Jul 06 - 04:58 AM There are a lot of Misconceptions being aired here. Since last March all investigators have been issued with date tag camcorders. They receive a list of individuals to observe, who were either reported or have been claimants for over two years. The target is not the unemployed or single mums. The target is those claiming long term incapacity benefits.This is a much higher amount. You would be amazed at just how many attend prearranged medical assessment on walking sticks or aided by friends or relations, only to be observed next day at a D.I.Y. store and then loading up the car with patio slabs! These benefits are for the sick, not actors. A nationwide helpline is in place to report such people, many are brought to the attention of the service actually from general practitioners. The genuinely sick need not worry. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Benefit Fraud From: kendall Date: 09 Jul 06 - 01:33 PM Compared to what white collar crime costs us, a few welfare cheats is peanuts. Example, Key Lay and that whole ENRON gang of crooks. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Benefit Fraud From: Don Firth Date: 09 Jul 06 - 01:45 PM Within the last sixteen years I've had to use a wheelchair (but, no, I'm not on welfare). I have license tabs on my hand-control equipped car that allow me to park in spaces marked for disable drivers (blue sign with a white wheelchair symbol). Such parking places are usually located close to the entrance of stores and such, and are wider than other parking spaces. This gives me enough room to wrestle my wheelchair out of the back seat, unfold it, assemble it (put the leg rests back on), lift myself out of the car and into the wheelchair, then go on my way. In the usual parking space, there is not enough room between cars to do this. I also see other people using these spaces who don't necessarily need the extra room, but who have mobility difficulties, such as walking with crutches or a walker. That's as it should be. Being closer to the door, they don't have as far to walk. But there are people who don't have these needs—perfectly able-bodied people—who, because they think they're privileged characters or otherwise don't see the ethics of the situation, manage to get their doctor to issue them a permit so they can get these license tabs from the Department of Motor Vehicles. It's really off-pissing to drive into a parking lot and find the handicapped parking spaces full, then you see someone built like Arnold Schwarzenegger and obviously in the peak of physical condition come out of the store, get in, and drive off. I see that sort of thing a lot. BUT—just because a few people cheat doesn't mean I think the system should be scrapped. Same with welfare. The system needs to be improved. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Benefit Fraud From: Ron Davies Date: 09 Jul 06 - 02:00 PM Some people will always believe the "Welfare Cadillac" stereotype. Mr. Reagan got a lot of mileage out of it, to say the least. People don't bother to consider whether it's the exception--they want to believe it's the rule, since it gives them a target for their own frustrations. It's another illustration of why propaganda works. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Benefit Fraud From: Ron Davies Date: 09 Jul 06 - 02:02 PM And the benefit fraud stereotype fits the pattern--again, great propaganda. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Benefit Fraud From: Don Firth Date: 09 Jul 06 - 02:20 PM It is often said that the true measure of a civilized society is in how it treats its most vulnerable citizens: the weakest, poorest, and most disadvantaged. How are we doing? Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Benefit Fraud From: GUEST,Martin Date: 09 Jul 06 - 02:55 PM Big big rip of in U.K. is D.L.A. and motobility in which the disabled get a free car with free insurance and road tax. This is abused and the subject of many jokes locally. Bring back the three wheeler and see how many want it. Go look a job like the rest of us. Leeches the most of them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Benefit Fraud From: Ron Davies Date: 09 Jul 06 - 03:00 PM "leeches the most of them"---gee, I wonder who this "Guest" could be? It's that same iron grasp of all the subtleties of a topic that we used to see around here. Ah, nostalgia. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Benefit Fraud From: Don Firth Date: 09 Jul 06 - 07:20 PM "Leeches. . . ." You know, Ron, that sounds like an echo from the dim, dark past. You don't suppose. . . ? Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Benefit Fraud From: GUEST Date: 09 Jul 06 - 07:46 PM There are a lot of Misconceptions being aired here. Since last March all investigators have been issued with date tag camcorders. They receive a list of individuals to observe, who were either reported or have been claimants for over two years. The target is not the unemployed or single mums. The target is those claiming long term incapacity benefits.This is a much higher amount. You would be amazed at just how many attend prearranged medical assessment on walking sticks or aided by friends or relations, only to be observed next day at a D.I.Y. store and then loading up the car with patio slabs! These benefits are for the sick, not actors. A nationwide helpline is in place to report such people, many are brought to the attention of the service actually from general practitioners. The genuinely sick need not worry. What a load of twaddle. Not ALL investigators have been issued with these camcorders you describe. In fact the majority are desk bound unable to carry out any surveillance on benefit 'customers'. They ceased being called 'claimants' a long time ago. There is a Government led initiative to cull the numbers of long and short term sick customers. This is being financed in the whole by offering them 'work focused interviews'. They attend the interview, they discuss suitable employment, they have a benefit reduction if they do not comply. This is where the current bulk of the DWP budget is being used. Not by the fraud department. They are being run on a shoestring as they have actually cost more to run than they have recouped in stopping false benefit claims. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Benefit Fraud From: GUEST,Abbey Date: 10 Jul 06 - 03:33 AM So what happens if the person attends and feels due to their condition that they are unable to return to work ? Are they then forced to work ? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Benefit Fraud From: GUEST Date: 10 Jul 06 - 04:29 AM Doctors and consultants will ultimately decide if someone is capable of work. Not a civil servant. So if a customer does not agree with his/her doctor's opinion they can take it up with them. No one will be forced to work if medical opinion is that they can not. The word WORK is not all encompassing. There will be certain jobs that are condsidered suitable to the customers limitations. They may only be for a few hours a week. Customers will be treated as individuals and not blanketed under the umbrella of 'sick', which they are at the moment. At present there are many customers who claim benfits as sick, and get help towards finding part time jobs, because they actually do want to do something and are capable of doing something. The only people who will kick against this initiative are those who do not want to do anything at all and are condsidered medically capable of doing something. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Benefit Fraud From: GUEST Date: 10 Jul 06 - 05:04 AM So that's the most of them ! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Benefit Fraud From: GUEST,jOhn Date: 13 Jul 06 - 05:36 AM Benefit fraudsters are rubbish. I work in a taxi office. jOhn |
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Subject: RE: BS: Benefit Fraud From: GUEST Date: 13 Jul 06 - 05:49 AM It is civil servants that you send your paperwork into, not all need to be seen by a doctor. Many are pased at office level. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Benefit Fraud From: GUEST,10th july Date: 13 Jul 06 - 02:47 PM Yes you send your paperwork to civil servants. But what does the paperwork have to include????????? A medical certificate from a GP or consultant that says if a customer is fit for work or not. No incapacity claims are 'passed' without medical evidence. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Benefit Fraud From: GUEST Date: 13 Jul 06 - 03:29 PM I'd have thought Enron, Lord Levy and the 'brown envelope' syndrome here in Ireland makes all this rather small beer. We've just buried one of the biggest crooks this side of iron bars - and given him a state funeral Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Benefit Fraud From: Richie Black (misused acct, bad email) Date: 26 Apr 11 - 07:02 AM I see PJ Proby was in court today on nine charges of benefit fraud. They relate to claims for pension credit, housing benefit and council tax benefit. The 72-year-old, whose real name is James Marcus Smith, is alleged to have committed the offences between November 2002 and March 2008. Among the charges against the 1960s star are two counts of failing to declare income from savings and investments, and four of failing to notify the authorities of a change in circumstances. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Benefit Fraud From: VirginiaTam Date: 26 Apr 11 - 10:55 AM Alex Bell quit her teaching job and supports her 9 children solely on the backs of tax payers. Bloody cheek! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Benefit Fraud From: GUEST,lurcio Date: 26 Apr 11 - 04:19 PM Some people on here live entirely on the backs of other peoples ideas while others, who put far more in, get censured for speaking out. Get over it. Life's a bitch but with editors in high places, what can you do? |
