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Obit: Sam Phillips RIP
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Subject: Obit: Sam Phillips RIP From: GUEST,Mary Katherine Date: 30 Jul 03 - 11:17 PM Legendary record producer and Sun Records founder Sam Phillips dieed today in Memphis, age 80. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Sam Phillips RIP From: fat B****rd Date: 31 Jul 03 - 03:17 AM Without whom.......RIP Mr.Phillips |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Sam Phillips RIP From: alanabit Date: 31 Jul 03 - 04:47 AM I am amazed that there are only two postings here. He was one of the major figures in popular music in the twentieth century. His influence on folk music - although hard to measure exactly now - was certainly both profound and inevitable. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Sam Phillips RIP From: alanabit Date: 31 Jul 03 - 07:40 AM I should justify those remarks. He was the owner of Sun Studios, who recorded Elvis Presley. I am not an Elvis fan, but if that mixture of blues/folk/country that became popularised as rock and roll had not reached a mass audience, many of us would have stayed in the dark about the roots from which it came. It was Sam Phillips who took a chance on the young Elvis Presley. He probably could not have forseen what would come of it, but he was a vital catalyst in getting pop music to make an enormous leap forward. Rest in Peace mate - and thanks. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Sam Phillips RIP From: fat B****rd Date: 31 Jul 03 - 07:50 AM And let's not forget the Blues and R'n'B artists he produced. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Sam Phillips RIP From: catspaw49 Date: 31 Jul 03 - 08:26 AM Some said the father of rock and roll........Too many things to say about him. I honestly believe that without him there may have been rock, but just somehow, it would be different. He was as important to American Music as anyone else you could possibly name. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Sam Phillips RIP From: Alba Date: 31 Jul 03 - 08:44 AM Catspaw has said it all really. This Man's contribution to Music was HUGE. Rest In Peace. Sam Phillips JD |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Sam Phillips RIP From: RangerSteve Date: 31 Jul 03 - 09:16 AM Thanks for starting the careers of those great musicians: Carl Perkins, Jerry Lee Lewis, Johnny Cash, and all the rest. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Sam Phillips RIP From: Roger the Skiffler Date: 31 Jul 03 - 09:30 AM Charlie, Alan, Pat, you said it all...You know I've a few (!) Sun artists in my modest record collection. RtS (not having anything to add, never stopped me before!) |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Sam Phillips RIP From: Rick Fielding Date: 31 Jul 03 - 10:46 AM ROCKET 88! |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Sam Phillips RIP From: Mark Clark Date: 31 Jul 03 - 12:36 PM Jackie Brenston and Ike Turner's band. The first Rock ‘n’ Roll record, March 1951. - Mark |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Sam Phillips RIP From: GUEST,Martin Gibson Date: 31 Jul 03 - 04:54 PM Not discounting Sam Phillips at all here. But very debateable if Rocket 88 can be considered the first rock & roll record. Much of what Hank Williams did before this record, i.e: Lovesick Blues, Move It On Over could be considered for this cataegory. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Sam Phillips RIP From: Big Mick Date: 31 Jul 03 - 09:27 PM I loved this man's attitude. For him it was all about the making of the music. When he sold Elvis' contract to RCA, he was offered a very well paid contract to do nothing. Turned it down flat. He could not stand the idea of enmeshing himself in the corporate music world. When he decided to retire from the business, it was because he refused to be a farm club for the big labels. He loved the vitality of the music and had an ear for the groove. He was a particular fan of the rhythm of it all. I heard an old "Fresh Air" interview where he told Terri Grose that one of his favorite musicians of all time was John Philip Sousa. He said that Sousa got more into a 4/4 time signature than anyone he had ever heard. That heavenly band is really turning into a monster. There will be some get down sessions goin' on now. And the man behind the glass will be Sam Phillips. God be good to him. Mick |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Sam Phillips RIP From: GUEST,PJ Curtis Date: 01 Aug 03 - 05:19 AM What a life lived and what legacy the man has left behind him. BB KIng/Howlin Wolf/Ike Turner/Little Milton/Elvis/Carl Perkins/Johnny Cash/ Jerry Lee lewis/Roy Orbison/ Conway Twitty/Charlie Rich and countless other originals. Would they have happened had it not been for Sam and his vision realised within the walls of 706 Union Avn Memphis . Rock on Sam and thanks for all the great music! pjc |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Sam Phillips RIP From: Margret RoadKnight Date: 01 Aug 03 - 08:55 AM August 1st New York Times has a very good article |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Sam Phillips RIP From: GUEST Date: 01 Aug 03 - 10:02 AM Sam was a great visionary. Even before Elvis he was recording music that would be influential and he dared to mix the two "races" in a town in the South, so his influence effectively goes beyond music. When he found a white man who didn't realise that waht he was doing himself was not the done thing (Elvis), then the doors opened and music became truly "popular" -- for and of the people, all people. Imagine the excitement in the studio when Elvis started messing with "That's All Right Mama" and Sam heard the amalgam that had so far evaded him. Incidentally, a great box-set of Sun material, called "Sun 50 Golden Years, 1952-2002, A Commemorative Collection," with no less than 8 CDs and a 7" vinyl single was released some months ago. Some of you might be interested in it! |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Sam Phillips RIP From: GUEST Date: 01 Aug 03 - 10:12 AM Hoagy Carmichael, "King" Oliver, Lonnie Johnson and Eddie Lang had a mixed jazz group (two white and two black folks) in 1929. Many black jazz musicians were recorded before the musical powers-that-be recorded anything "country" in 1923. Just something to think about. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Sam Phillips RIP From: Mark Clark Date: 01 Aug 03 - 12:37 PM The reference to “Rocket 88” being the first Rock ‘n’ Roll record comes from the timeline at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Museum site. I'm guessing they resolved most of the academic issues with interested scholars before recording it as history. I'm certainly not the one to make such a call. I've read other sources as well that say “Rocket 88” is generally regarded as the first of the genre. There are other possible contenders for first Rock ‘n’ Roll record and though Hank Williams' “Kaw-Liga” (1953) is a candidate, nothing of Hank's prior to “Rocket 88” is nominated. Interestingly, Bill Monroe's “We're Gonna Rock,We're Gonna Roll” (1948) is listed as a possible candidate. The entire list is at The History of Rock and Roll site. - Mark NB: It's interesting that neither the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame nor the History of Rock and Roll sites make any mention of Sam Phillips' passing. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Sam Phillips RIP From: GUEST,David Neale Date: 01 Aug 03 - 07:02 PM (Sorry, I was the Guest that posted at 10:02 AM) Indeed, black and white had happily mixed in Jazz circles, but this was a more limited, somehow intellectually elite form, not generally associated with "ordinary folk" -- or do I see this wrongly? And although Jazz was played in the Southern states, was the mixing not confined to the Northern ones? The idea that the mixing of "races" (I prefer to use the term human beings) was somehow evil was still prevalent throughout the early years of Rock'n'Roll, as is evidenced by the numerous horror stories of mixed concert parties travelling around the country and meeting opposition and confrontation, especially in the South. Nevertheless, I still believe that Sam's vision and Elvis's execution helped open the way to much more liberal attitudes in the field of popular music. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Sam Phillips RIP From: Ely Date: 01 Aug 03 - 07:30 PM Dear Lord, what will all those PBS roots music programs do without him? |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Sam Phillips RIP From: GUEST Date: 02 Aug 03 - 04:16 PM Dear Mr. Neale: Hate to get into this too deeply but jazz was extremely honest music from the people. Many consider jazz recorded pre electrical-process to be folk music, that would be 1927-8. After that, trained musicians added complex chord changes and often classical music technique to the individual instruments. Many blacks used the latter forms of jazz to prove their worth as musicians, something not usually conceded them by the northern city types. Please listen to Lonnie Johnson, the first lead guitar player ever. He was born about 1889, although I have seen other dates listed. He not only predates jazz but predates blues. If you follow his work, he moves easily from primative jazz, blues and early pop music, through sophisticated jazz. He was probably as influential as anyone in developing the lead guitar sound that defined rock 'n roll without playing it. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Sam Phillips RIP From: greg stephens Date: 03 Aug 03 - 02:48 AM The Lonnie Johnson/Eddie Lang recording has been quoted above. Another famous example would be the cajun music of Denis McGee(white) and Amadee Ardoin(black), which was recorded from the late 20's on, and was sold in Louisiana(though not much outside,Iwould guess). |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Sam Phillips RIP From: bflat Date: 03 Aug 03 - 09:02 PM How lucky to have been on the receiving line of talent. R.I.P. |
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