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how to play the cross cut saw????????
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Subject: how to play the cross cut saw???????? From: pete au Date: 06 May 03 - 06:02 PM does anyone know how to play the cross cut saw pete |
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Subject: RE: how to play the cross cut saw???????? From: Charley Noble Date: 06 May 03 - 06:06 PM Do not attempt the throat position until experienced! Cheerily, Charley Noble |
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Subject: RE: how to play the cross cut saw???????? From: radriano Date: 06 May 03 - 06:12 PM Man, eight question marks. You must really be confused. |
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Subject: RE: how to play the cross cut saw???????? From: masato sakurai Date: 06 May 03 - 06:37 PM See these sites: Musical Saw The musical saw ~Masato |
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Subject: RE: how to play the cross cut saw???????? From: masato sakurai Date: 06 May 03 - 06:46 PM Previous threads: How do you play a saw? Musical saw. How do I make/play one? |
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Subject: RE: how to play the cross cut saw???????? From: Geoff the Duck Date: 06 May 03 - 07:01 PM Isn't the Cross-Cut saw that great big two handled one for cutting down particularly big trees? I'd stick to the common or garden shed variety! Quack! GtD. p.s. you could do Hendrix on chainsaw?????? |
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Subject: RE: how to play the cross cut saw???????? From: GUEST,reggie miles Date: 06 May 03 - 07:19 PM Do you mean that you wish to know how to play the song "Cross Cut Saw" or that you want to know how to make music with a handsaw? If the former I could ask my friend who does play a version of "Crosscut Saw" when I'm playing saw with him. If the later try typing musical saw into your search engine or google.com and you'll be able to trace the many sites posted there to pages with written instuctions. Some even have pictures. That will get you started in the general direction. Then try to locate someone locally who plays so that you can observe their posture, grip and technique and then just have at it. Important! Always have the emergency room's number near at hand. Check your life insurance policies for loss of limb coverage. Buy lots of bandaids and antiseptic, ear plugs too, for yourself or others nearby. Be prepared to not get invited to parties and for the ridicule of friends, family and even total strangers. Keep a notebook on hand to record the bad puns offered by those who happen to catch your act. It's a lonesome path you've chosen, risking it all, life, limb and future famly hopes just for the fleeting chance to feel and flex razor sharp spring steel betwixt your knees. Don't slip! If I don't see ya in the future, I'll saw ya in the pasture. |
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Subject: RE: how to play the cross cut saw???????? From: Deckman Date: 06 May 03 - 07:48 PM Hey Reggie, I think I'll DISTON myself from this thread! Bob |
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Subject: RE: how to play the cross cut saw???????? From: open mike Date: 06 May 03 - 07:56 PM a cross cut may have teeth on both sides... if so, no go! try these: http://www.theremin-saw.com/ http://www.uwlax.edu/LS/Music/theory/theramin.html http://thereminkits.com/-----australian site... http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/playground/theremin1.shtml http://www.mtco.com/~wentwrth/musicsaw/musicsaw.html http://www.datacomm.ch/fesch/musicalsaw.html http://sawlady.virtualave.net/ |
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Subject: RE: how to play the cross cut saw???????? From: open mike Date: 06 May 03 - 08:00 PM reggie is the one to ask--glad he gave you an answer... he speaks from experience...i don't know about the first aid experience, but he is the only one i know who actaully plays one! (aside from a fellow (bob anderson?) who did a work shop on it at strawberry music fest. last year. He played on on the sound track of One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, which you can hear if you search for it on teh web. eerie sound. Reggie has been know to play happy birthdy on the saw.. haunting and enchanted!! |
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Subject: RE: how to play the cross cut saw???????? From: JohnInKansas Date: 06 May 03 - 08:21 PM Related thread alt /to making fiddle bow. Much more descriptive thread title here Pete. John |
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Subject: RE: how to play the cross cut saw???????? From: GUEST,reggie miles Date: 06 May 03 - 08:48 PM open mike, I believe that's Robert Armstrong you're refering to. He also played with Robert Crumb in the Cheap Suit Serenaders. The song he played in the movie was "Please Release Me". I wish I could have had that gig. sawyanara |
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Subject: RE: how to play the cross cut saw???????? From: open mike Date: 06 May 03 - 08:59 PM yep-must get a strong arm from holding that tool-- the saw! Natalia Puruz was on prairie home companion, and her audio clip is on the Prairie Home web site... |
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Subject: RE: how to play the cross cut saw???????? From: Stilly River Sage Date: 06 May 03 - 10:27 PM Only has teeth on one side. They come in different lengths. I had one from years ago I found out in the woods, left from a clearcut back in the 40's or 50's, but it disappeared when my mother moved taking my stored stuff with her. I think the movers took a fancy to it. SRS |
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Subject: RE: how to play the cross cut saw???????? From: pete au Date: 07 May 03 - 01:21 AM all joke's aside in the land of ozz in the depression day's there were people who couldnot afford instuments like we have today so they improvised, there were hep's of cross cut saw players, & sing saw players,gumleaf players, thay also made banjo's out of a 4 gallon tin with a broom handle through it, even though this subject is not every one's cup of tea, it is still an important part of our folklore. and this site is about folk and sharing information, wwww.abc.net.au/arts/adlib smile's allways pete |
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Subject: RE: how to play the cross cut saw???????? From: GUEST,reggie miles Date: 07 May 03 - 01:36 AM Yeah, I wish I could get somebody to "cut" me a deal like that. I thought I had a chance to get a spot on Prairie Home once because they were advertising for players from small towns but the size limit of the towns they were interested in was smaller than the small town in which I currently reside. They did stipulate that they would check to be certain that the size of each performer's town fit their criteria. As I recall they were looking for towns with a population of 2,500 or less. I guess if I really wanted it I could have moved a few more miles down the road to an even smaller town. I guess that's it, I just didn't want it bad enough. You know what they say, you can't have anything. |
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Subject: RE: how to play the cross cut saw???????? From: Bob Bolton Date: 07 May 03 - 03:20 AM G'day Pete, It really just takes perserverance ... a sturdy old bow (preferably a cello one ...?) ... a strong grip on the tip of the saw (or "cheating grip" made of about 250 mm of broomhandle with a saw slot halfway through crossways, near one end ... slips over the end and allows better control) ... a good ear for the notes - 'cause there are no frets! ... and a lot of practice! A local Sydney, Australia, saw player - Bob Hughes (did some sound track for Babe 2 ... but it got dropped because it was "too scary" for the American audience ...!) - gave a workshop for us at the Bush Music Club, a few years back. By the end of the evening we were all getting a halfway decent sound ... mostly near the right pitch ... and two or three of the workshoppers still play saw in the odd gig. Of course, all of us already played one of more other instrument ... not always a bowed one. There are a few players about the professional scene ... Ian Simpson of Nariel Creek, Victoria plays saw when not playing concertina. Judy Turner (Melbourne?), when she's not playing fiddle (sometimes along with mouthorgan!). There a more players at a home/personal level, so the instrument has not faded away. BTW: Don't bother buying a "Genuine Musical Saw" ... just find a an old one that rings well when tapped ... the odds are good that it will sound well when bowed (and cost less ... and be a useful saw if it doesn't sound well ... or you don't!). Regards, Bob Bolton |
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Subject: RE: how to play the cross cut saw???????? From: Dave Bryant Date: 07 May 03 - 06:24 AM A Bodhran run along the teeth of the saw gives the best effect - be sure to borrow them from all your friends as they don't tend to last very long. |
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Subject: RE: how to play the cross cut saw???????? From: Tig Date: 07 May 03 - 07:00 AM Bill\Sables plays a mean saw - when you can persuade him to! How about getting in touch with him by PM? |
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Subject: RE: how to play the cross cut saw???????? From: pete au Date: 07 May 03 - 07:41 AM thanx to all & bob i have been playing the sing saw for 10yrs now, the cross cut would be something different and challanging, [as long as i dont get hit in the head by the dame thing and land on the moon] the advice I have been givin, will be more than helpfull, thax folk pete |
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Subject: RE: how to play the cross cut saw???????? From: Bob Bolton Date: 07 May 03 - 09:18 AM Gday again pete, I probably should have mentioned that I was talking of the "cross cut saw" in the sense of a relatively fine-toothed handsaw for cutting across the grain - as against a coarser "ripsaw", which is also used for cutting across the grain! The big two-handed jobs sometimes used in felling trees, and, more often in pit-sawing tree trunks to size is a much more daunting prospect for playing ... but I have heard that it can be done. However, I have never actually heard it done. Regards, Bob Bolton |
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Subject: RE: how to play the cross cut saw???????? From: PoppaGator Date: 07 May 03 - 10:43 AM A "crosscut" saw is the most common handsaw, single-handled, for cutting across the grain and for general use. If you only own one handsaw, it should be (and usualy is) a crosscut. A "ripsaw" is more specialized, with a narrower blade, for cutting *with* the grain. I believe (but am not absolutely sure) that the ripsaw has finer teeth, the crosscut coarser ones. |
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Subject: RE: how to play the cross cut saw???????? From: Homeless Date: 07 May 03 - 10:51 AM Geoff the Duck - Try the song "The Lumberjack" from the 80's hair band Jackyl. It's a 12 bar blues with a surprisingly good chain saw solo in it, tho not Hendrix by any stretch. |
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Subject: RE: how to play the cross cut saw???????? From: GUEST,Arkie Date: 07 May 03 - 12:24 PM In this neck of the woods the term "cross cut saw" refers to saws used to fell trees and they could be either two-man or one-man saws with course teeth. One rarely sees these saws any longer except in museums. One rarely hears the term "cross cut" applied to a hand saw, but the hand saw most people own and see is a cross cut saw. The rip saw as PoppaGator explained is a specialized saw for cutting with the grain. Though many people use one saw for all purposes, there is a difference in the "angle" and "set" of the teeth on the two types of saw. The set of the cross cut saw can be likened to a knife while the set on the rip saw is likened more to the blade of a chisel. All this to say, cross cut saw is an appropriate term for the musical saw. I have been told by a local saw player that some saws have better tone than others. One needs to go into a hardware store and try them out. The most colorful saw player I have run across billed himself as "the saw of the south" and lived in Memphis, TN. |
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Subject: RE: how to play the cross cut saw???????? From: vectis Date: 07 May 03 - 05:30 PM Sid Kipper plays his with plywood not a bow. Honestly!!! |
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Subject: RE: how to play the cross cut saw???????? From: pete au Date: 07 May 03 - 05:40 PM I heard on the radio,10years ago, John Meridith from Australia, talking about how he collected many recordings of hand saw players, gumleaf players,but had heard of cross cut saw player's , he was saying that thay used to stand up with the cross cut saw flat side out, a block of would between there feet, with a slit in the block of wood, and bend down on the cross cut saw into a s shape and play it with a mallet or a bow, I guess wot I really wot i wanted to know is there anyone out there who is still playing one,I have tryed it &its not easy,pete |
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Subject: RE: how to play the cross cut saw???????? From: GUEST,reggie miles Date: 07 May 03 - 07:54 PM I have only seen pictures of this being done. There's a picture of a fella in the book "Scratch My Back" (the only known book printed on the subject) which is now out of print. There used to be a sound effects company, Carrol Sound, that sold a musical saw type blade mounted in a block that rested on the floor I imagine one could play it standing or sitting. I was about to order one when the company went out of business. I was told by a local who is originally from Russia that about thirty years ago he witnessed two men playing one of those large tree cuttin' crosscuts in a circus there. Last fall Morgan Cowan, the vice president of the California Saw Players Association, visited a small town near here. He stopped to play some at a local open mic and I had a chance to meet and speak with him. He's been looking for a specific type of two man crosscut saw to play. I told him I'd keep my eyes peeled for one. I was thinkin' about startin' a local saw players chapter and call it the Sawplayers Association of Washington State, S.A.W.S. I've been the local Johnny Apple Saw for about the last Decade or so. Now we just have to enlist some members. I've met many folks who've shown an interest and even hosted a workshop last year at the Folklife Festival. |
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Subject: RE: how to play the cross cut saw???????? From: Mr Happy Date: 07 May 03 - 09:41 PM they work on bodhrans? |
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Subject: RE: how to play the cross cut saw???????? From: GUEST,reggie miles Date: 07 May 03 - 10:30 PM Mr Happy, in the vast food chain of interrelationships that we refer to as the web of life on this planet musical saws are known to be the natural enemy of all wood products. To answer your question, by definition, that would include wooden bodrans. |
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Subject: RE: how to play the cross cut saw???????? From: DonMeixner Date: 07 May 03 - 10:55 PM The only saw I ever played was an 8" Makita table model with a B & D Piranha blade. I only was able to sing one song with it tho'. Couldn't be tuned, it was always a bit sharp and the action was so high I found it hard to finger consistantly. It wouldn't record well and when I was done I needed some digital remastering. Art can tell all you need to know about the accoustical saw. Don |
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Subject: RE: how to play the cross cut saw???????? From: Bob Bolton Date: 07 May 03 - 11:35 PM G'day again pete (and PoppaGator), Oops ... small slip there ... the ripsaw is a handsaw normally used along the grain, not across it - but it does have coarser teeth than a cross cut hand saw. As pete notes, the same name "cross cut saw" can also be used for the large two-hand type formerly used in forestry and by bush-sawyers. It was from John Meredith that I heard of the large ones being played and I think I might be able to find his description in one his books (at home). I imagine the first problem with trying this style of playing is finding - and obtaining a saw of that type. Most of them are now firmly wired up onto some rural pub's wall - or in a display case at a local museum ... maybe taken out for a daily demonstration for the tourists, but firmly locked away afterwards because you can't nip round the corner store and buy another! Regards, Bob Bolton |
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Subject: RE: how to play the cross cut saw???????? From: open mike Date: 08 May 03 - 12:49 AM the prairie home companion competetion is called Talent from Towns Under 2.000. (T.T.U.T) and the tiny little rural area i am in just put up a sign claiming 2,500. But i think some of them are dead folks who have voter's registration...i have never seen that many bodies in this neck of the woods...some are probably absentee. or ones the census workers made up to get their quota. |
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